2-Jan-1996 17:44:16-GMT,3285;000000000001 Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (uacsc2.albany.edu [128.204.1.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA03220 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:44:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4841; Tue, 02 Jan 96 12:41:53 EST Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1) by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5204; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:41:52 -0500 Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 5482 for EMJ@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:41:50 -0500 Received: from ALBNYVM1 (NJE origin SMTP@ALBNYVM1) by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5190; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:40:37 -0500 Received: from sarah.albany.edu by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 02 Jan 96 12:40:36 EST Received: from fenris.math.albany.edu (fenris.math.albany.edu [128.204.23.18]) by sarah.albany.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA23579; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by fenris.math.albany.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA13243; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:41:48 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Approved-By: Mark Steinberger Message-ID: <199601021741.MAA13243@fenris.math.albany.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:41:47 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Math Journals Discussion List Sender: Electronic Math Journals Discussion List From: Mark Steinberger Subject: Re: PDF Writer Comments: To: "A. E. Siegman" To: Multiple recipients of list EMJ In-Reply-To: from "A. E. Siegman" at Jan 2, 96 09:34:22 am ************************************************************ * hypermail archive: http://math.albany.edu:8800/hm/emj/ * ************************************************************ Forwarded for A. E. Siegman: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:34:22 -0800 To: Laurent Siebenmann , EMJ@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU, bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu, campbell@beloit.edu, pragma@pi.net From: siegman@ee.stanford.edu (A. E. Siegman) Subject: Re: PDF Writer > ***** PDF Writer may be a key tool! ***** > > Who has answers/comments? > > Cheers > > Larry Siebenmann I can only add to what I wrote below that the Acrobat Exchange plus Acrobat Distiller 2.0 package for the Mac cost (as I remember) about $120 at the Stanford Bookstore, purchases probably limited to Stanford ID card holders, about 4 months ago. Still interested in the subject, but haven't experimented further. --AES (Tony Siegman, Stanford University) [quoted article deleted] ============================ Professor A. E. Siegman Department of Electrical Engineering Edward L. Ginzton Laboratory MC 4085 Stanford University, California 94305 Internet: siegman@ee.stanford.edu WWW: http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~siegman/ Voice: 415-723-0223 (lab), 326-6669 (home) Fax: 415-725-7509 (lab), 326-4360 (home) 3-Jan-1996 2:28:49-GMT,2297;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA07588 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:28:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA25038; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:58:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA24993 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:53:29 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960103015311.00675f04@silcom.com> X-Sender: rss@silcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 17:53:11 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Bob Staudenmaier Subject: Can't Distill AI 4.1 Files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Staudenmaier I recently upgraded to Adobe Illustrator 4.1 from version 4.0 (Okay, you Mac people - I'm jealous already!) and Windows 95. I used to be able to run files created by AI 4.0 straight through the Distiller (2.1) and make wonderful PDF. However, when distilling files created by AI 4.1, *ALL* the fonts in the document get converted to Times New Roman. (Even Type 1 fonts!) Ugh! The problem doesn't seem to be related to the Distiller because files created by AI 4.0 distill just fine. Also, documents created by AI 4.1 look and print okay, too. Does anyone else have this problem? Thanks, Robert ====================================================================== ___ __ __ / _ \___ / / ___ ____/ /_ Robert Staudenmaier / , _/ _ \/ _ \/ -_) __/ __/ Internet: rss@silcom.com /_/|_|\___/_.__/\__/_/ \__/ CompuServe: 75347,1667 ______ __ _ PO Box 2574 / __/ /____ ___ _____/ /__ ___ __ _ ___ _(_)__ ____ Goleta, CA _\ \/ __/ _ `/ // / _ / -_) _ \/ ' \/ _ `/ / -_) __/ 93118 /___/\__/\_,_/\_,_/\_,_/\__/_//_/_/_/_/\_,_/_/\__/_/ "Unbeknownst to most theologians, there was a actually a FOURTH wise man who was turned away for bringing a fruitcake." - Larson ====================================================================== 3-Jan-1996 9:33:54-GMT,885;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA22334 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 02:33:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA27980; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 03:27:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA27916 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 03:25:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 12:25:57 EST From: "bill tinston" Encoding: 5 Text Message-Id: <9600038206.AA820656100@gw1.ddas.mil> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PCL-5 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "bill tinston" Is anyone aware of any software that will distill PCL-5 to PDF? Bill Tinston Defense Printing Service 3-Jan-1996 10:51:52-GMT,1419;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA22574 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 03:51:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA28369; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 04:35:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA28338 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 04:34:39 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 10:43:30 +0000 From: Andy Healey Subject: Potential Acrobat Pro User Question To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: LeeMail 2.0.4 Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Andy Healey I currently use the standard Acrobat distiller to produce screen proofs and basic sales presentation materials. What I want to be able to do is to add interactivity buttons to make it easier for the sales people to jump around the document, rather than simply being a linear presentation and without resorting to the toolbar or thumbnails. Can this be done using Acrobat Pro? It needs to be simple for the technophobe who will be travelling around making the presentations without any technical support. Andy Healey Andy@dcpublishers.co.uk David & Charles Publishers Newton Abbot, Devon, UK, TQ12 4PU Tel: 44 (0) 1626 61121 3-Jan-1996 15:16:13-GMT,1487;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA23746 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:16:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA29663; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:46:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA29609 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:39:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199601031439.IAA25658@glacier.binc.net> Subject: Re: Potential Acrobat Pro User Question From: Wm Pitzer To: "Andy Healey" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 09:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Wm Pitzer Yes: You can do all that with Acrobat Exchange 2.1. Creating links to the same document or to other Acrobat documents, including links with movies and sound. You can also do a loop version of a presentation for your field rep. All they have to do is open it on a laptop, for instance, and the Acrobat presentation will cycle through. You can stop or pause the loop as needed. Your field rep can also utilize the note function to add reminders or questions for you to reply to back at the home office. Bill Pitzer PitzoGraphics 96 Hillhaven Dr. Bridgeport, WV 26330 (pitzer@westvirginia.com) 3-Jan-1996 15:56:28-GMT,2238;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA24142 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29933; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:26:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29903 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:26:24 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 09:50:38 PST Message-Id: <9600038206.AA820682450@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Andy Healey , PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Potential Acrobat Pro User Question Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Yes. Acrobat Exchange, which comes with Pro, lets you define hypertext links using its link tool. They can be colored with a stroke or dotted line so the user will see them and can link to another page view in the same document or in an external PDF file, provided the relative paths of the two documents remain constant. Exchange also lets you create Bookmarks, which appear in a left hand column when the Bookmarks icon on the toolbar is selected. Bookmarks perform the same actions as links. You may also set a document to open with the bookmarks visible. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Potential Acrobat Pro User Question From: Andy Healey at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/3/96 10:43 AM I currently use the standard Acrobat distiller to produce screen proofs and basic sales presentation materials. What I want to be able to do is to add interactivity buttons to make it easier for the sales people to jump around the document, rather than simply being a linear presentation and without resorting to the toolbar or thumbnails. Can this be done using Acrobat Pro? It needs to be simple for the technophobe who will be travelling around making the presentations without any technical support. Andy Healey Andy@dcpublishers.co.uk David & Charles Publishers Newton Abbot, Devon, UK, TQ12 4PU Tel: 44 (0) 1626 61121 3-Jan-1996 16:10:54-GMT,1227;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA24318 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:10:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA30160; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:41:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA30130 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:41:21 -0600 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 09:37:55 PST Message-Id: <9600038206.AA820683437@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PCL-5 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com The Xenos Group has solutions for converting PCL, AFP, and Metacode to PDF. You can reach them at 800-387-9781... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems Incorporated ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: PCL-5 Author: "bill tinston" at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/2/96 12:25 PM Is anyone aware of any software that will distill PCL-5 to PDF? Bill Tinston Defense Printing Service 3-Jan-1996 16:26:28-GMT,4179;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA24456 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:26:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA30477; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:56:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA30435 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:55:55 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199601031555.KAA24901@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Potential Acrobat Pro User Question To: Andy@dcpublishers.co.uk (Andy Healey) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:55:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu In-Reply-To: from "Andy Healey" at Jan 3, 96 10:43:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > I currently use the standard Acrobat distiller to produce screen proofs and > basic sales presentation materials. What I want to be able to do is to add > interactivity buttons to make it easier for the sales people to jump around the > document, rather than simply being a linear presentation and without resorting > to the toolbar or thumbnails. > > Can this be done using Acrobat Pro? Andy: I'm not sure what you mean by the "standard" Acrobat Distiller. The Distiller that comes with Acrobat Pro *is* the standard Distiller. I believe that PageMaker 6.0 comes with a "special" version of the Distiller that works only with PageMaker, but -- other than this -- there is only one Distiller product on a given platform. There are been different *versions* of the Distiller, of course. The current version for Mac and Windows is 2.1. If you have an older version (particuarly version 1.0) you may want to consider upgrading. Regarding your question about adding hypertext buttons, the answer is "yes, you can do this," but what's involved depends on exactly what you want to do. If you simply want to add hypertext jumps to an existing document without changing the look of the document (so, in other words, your buttons or hypertext "hot spots" are text or graphics that already exist in the document) you can do this very easily using Acrobat Exchange. You basically just "point and click" to indicate the source and destination of the link. See the Help file in Exchange for the details; it's very simple to do. If you want to add buttons or other graphics to the document to serve as the trigger for the hypertext link, you'll need to take an extra step to add these elements to the document. The easiest way to do this is to simply add the graphic to the original document using your standard software (PageMaker, Word, PowerPoint, Persuasion, or whatever) when you create the document. If you want to add the graphic without changing the original document, life gets a bit more complicated. If you use Adobe Illustrator there's a cute trick you can use embed the graphic when you Distill the file. See the section on "EPS Links Files" on Adobe's web at: http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Plug-Ins/#anchor26366929 This is a clever trick, but may be more involved than you'd like. (And I think there's an opportunity for someone to write a neat plug-in to do this sort of thing in Exchange.) So, I think you can certainly do what you want using Acrobat using one of these techniques. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-Jan-1996 18:30:45-GMT,2857;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA25490 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:30:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA31289; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:17:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA31246 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:16:07 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:16:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199601031816.KAA03146@blob.best.net> X-Sender: paknad@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Andy Healey , PDF-L@emrg.com From: Deidre Paknad Subject: Re: Potential Acrobat Pro User Question Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Deidre Paknad Hi... just to add my two cents to this discussion (you've gotten good advice so far): I use Acrobat for all of my sales presentation and demos. One of the things I found quite helpful and which adds a little drama is to use the full screen display mode. You can pre-set this so sales receives the file and it always defaults to full screen when you open it. [ESC] will return them to regular viewing. Although Acrobat has the ability to create links using colored boxes, I prefer to create the graphic object which will function as a button in another application or on the original presentation. I use Acrobat's link tool to "activate" this button within the PDF file. >From a sales perspective, I find it enormously useful to be able to move between a sales presentation and a demonstration quickly and easily. By using Acrobat and projecting directly from my computer, I can do this with a minimum of transition and maximum effect. Cheers, Deidre Paknad paknad@glyphica.com Glyphica Solutions Palo Alto, CA 415/493-0620 >_______________________________________________________________________________ >Subject: Potential Acrobat Pro User Question >From: Andy Healey at cc_smtp2 >Date: 1/3/96 10:43 AM > >I currently use the standard Acrobat distiller to produce screen proofs and >basic sales presentation materials. What I want to be able to do is to add >interactivity buttons to make it easier for the sales people to jump around the >document, rather than simply being a linear presentation and without resorting >to the toolbar or thumbnails. > >Can this be done using Acrobat Pro? > >It needs to be simple for the technophobe who will be travelling around making >the presentations without any technical support. > >Andy Healey >Andy@dcpublishers.co.uk >David & Charles Publishers >Newton Abbot, Devon, UK, TQ12 4PU >Tel: 44 (0) 1626 61121 > > > 3-Jan-1996 20:01:21-GMT,1549;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA26652 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:01:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA31753; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:31:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA31713 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:31:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:31:46 -0900 Message-Id: <9601031931.AA27368@alaska.net> X-Sender: clandanc@alaska.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Kevin Subject: Catalog Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kevin >I have recently become an advocate of Acrobat in all its wonders... could >anyone give some advice as to the capabilities and real world uses of capture? > >Can it compete in the microfilm realm? > >If so, with what scanner? > >What realistically does one need to become competetive in the document >scanning arena, using Capture and Catalog? > >What would be a realistic learning curve to become proficient with Capture >and Catalog? > >What software/hardware combo would be best for making Acrobat CD's from >Capture, or any other PDF source? > >Many thanks and no more questions for now... > >Kevin Kastner (and no, I don't dance with wolves...) >Anchorage, AK >clandanc@alaska.net > 3-Jan-1996 21:05:19-GMT,1750;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA27160 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:05:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA32094; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:36:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA32062 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:34:47 -0600 Message-Id: <01BADA1A.EB9C3DC0@gw4-183.pool.dircon.co.uk> From: Jim Cook To: "'PDF-L@emrg.com'" Subject: Conversion from Word to PDF Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:42:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jim Cook Hi: We have a client trying to improve integration between the desktop and = Acrobat. Specifically we need to able to carry out a conversion between = Word and PDF. This needs to be completed using the Save As functionality from the = normal Word Save dialog and not the normal Print to PDFWriter or = Postscript/Distiller route. Consequently I am trying to locate a Word6 text converter to do the job. = It may, of course, use PDFWriter under the hood, but its important to = interface via the Save As dialog. For those of you who have seen this query before - I'm sorry ! I still = haven't found a good solution ! Regards Jim Cook JA Cook, Technical Director Computerised Document Control Ltd Specialists in document systems from strategy to rollout. Direct Tel: (+44) 1249 460953 Direct Fax: (+44) 1249 460078 WWW: http://www.docctrl.co.uk/docctrl 3-Jan-1996 23:01:08-GMT,4160;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA28560 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:01:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00089; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:57:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA00048 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:56:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:57:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199601032257.OAA19307@blob.best.net> X-Sender: paknad@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Kevin , PDF-L@emrg.com From: Deidre Paknad Subject: Re: Catalog Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Deidre Paknad Hello Kevin -- The primary advantages (in my opinion) of Capture can be achieved by using its powers in conjunction with Acrobat on a large scale. If you have many static documents which play a role in job performance, this product set can significantly reduce the paper-handling costs and enhance usability and accessibility. In particular, I think the following are true: * Competitive answer to imaging because of the compact file size and distributability (is that a word?) of Acrobat. By converting docs with Capture into PDF output, the resulting files are highly portable. * Far greater access to stored documents via Capture+Acrobat... Search features save MAJOR time in locating and retrieving ancient history, current work-in-process, etc. It's hard to beat full-text search as a way of locating documents. Indices typical for microfilm or other storage only vaguely support the way real people look for documents. * Capture supports both the text recognition characteristics of other apps as well as image (picture) technology. The result is text acts like text and graphics act like graphics, just the way live documents should perform. This technique also improves the overall accuracy achievable, by supporting bit maps where recognition is vague. Having said all that (and not to sound like an advertorial), Capture does take some time to become proficient. It is not for the faint of heart; it's immaturity still shows in many ways. You have to live with its faults to recognize its powers, tho. Not everyone (and perhaps not people at technician or clerical levels) will want to take the time and pain to use the app... particularly its editor, Reviewer. It works with a whole variety of scanners; make sure the drivers are included in the standard software support -- I'm sure Adobe's homepage materials must give this list somewhere. Most of the scanners will be much quicker than Capture in page processing. Capture does do batch jobs, though. We are a service bureau and software provider which specializes in Capture/Acrobat conversion and systems in California. Luckily for us both, we aren't pushing into Alaska!! Hope this information is useful to you.... Regards, Deidre Paknad Glyphica Solutions Palo Alto, CA paknad@glyphica.com 415/493-0620 _____________________________________________________ At 10:31 AM 1/3/96 -0900, you wrote: >>I have recently become an advocate of Acrobat in all its wonders... could >>anyone give some advice as to the capabilities and real world uses of capture? >> >>Can it compete in the microfilm realm? >> >>If so, with what scanner? >> >>What realistically does one need to become competetive in the document >>scanning arena, using Capture and Catalog? >> >>What would be a realistic learning curve to become proficient with Capture >>and Catalog? >> >>What software/hardware combo would be best for making Acrobat CD's from >>Capture, or any other PDF source? >> >>Many thanks and no more questions for now... >> >>Kevin Kastner (and no, I don't dance with wolves...) >>Anchorage, AK >>clandanc@alaska.net >> > > 4-Jan-1996 10:30:16-GMT,1968;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA02770 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 03:30:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA03934; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 04:00:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA03895 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 03:58:36 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:59:37 +0200 Message-Id: <199601040959.LAA01190@vtt.fi> X-Sender: infrnu@vttmail.vtt.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Riitta.Alkula@vtt.fi (Riitta Alkula) Subject: Capture International version - when? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Riitta.Alkula@vtt.fi (Riitta Alkula) Hello, has anyone used Acrobat Capture for recognising text in languages other than English? Is there any way to teach it to recognise also other, non-English characters - e.g. in the way you can tell to OmniPage OCR software how to interpret special characters. Currently, Capture supports only English. We would like to use it e.g. with Finnish or Norwegian texts that have umlauts, slashed O's etc. Now Capture recognises such special characters as bitmaps. When will Adobe launch an international version of Capture, e.g. support of full ISO Latin-1 character set or provide a selection of national language modules (like OmniPage has)? Any rumors? TIA Riitta Alkula ------------------------------------------------------------------- Riitta Alkula (M.Soc.Sci., M.A.) Email: Riitta.Alkula@vtt.fi VTT Information Service Phone: + 358 0 456 4372 P.O.Box 2000 Fax: + 358 0 456 4374 FIN-02044 VTT Street: Vuorimiehentie 5, Espoo FINLAND URL: http://www.vtt.fi/inf/nordep/ 4-Jan-1996 11:31:34-GMT,1348;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA02929 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 04:31:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA04271; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 05:02:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA04240 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 05:01:06 -0600 Message-Id: <30EBB403.1F29@alaska.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 02:03:31 -0900 From: Kevin Organization: ComputerLand X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: ALL CAPTURE USERS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kevin ANYONE who can give continued advice as to the speed capabilities and real world experienced uses of Adobe Capture would be greatly appreciated. Currently, I'm sitting on a copy of Capture that has not been used. I hesitate to run to the market without input as to its capabilties in the reality. How will it compete with microfilm? or does it? Do you need multiple scanners and software to be effective and efficient? Thanks in advance...KKastner, (Alaska) 4-Jan-1996 15:32:10-GMT,1638;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA04050 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:32:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA05026; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:02:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA04914 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:55:44 -0600 X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 4-Jan-1996 9:59:46 -0500; at im_sna_norwalk_2.mustmhs X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 04-Jan-1996 09:54:51 -0500 From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Printed pages from Reader; bad column 73 Date: 04 Jan 96 09:43:19 EST Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) I have a file that I generated using Distiller 2.0. When I print pages from either Exchange 2.0, Reader 2.0, or Reader 2.1, I get "garbage" in column 73 of each printed line. The garbage is <". The font I'm using is Helvetica. I downloaded the latest printer driver for my HP LaserJet 111 D. I also print using a Postscript printer driver and the same thing happens. If I print pages from the Acrobat 2.0 help PDF files, I get a blank space in column 73 of each line. Does anyone know why? Is this a bug? If I upgrade to Acrobat for Workgroups 2.1 and distill my file again, will this solve the problem? Thanks for any help and advice. Sue Liptak Thomson Software Products email : sml@dart.thomsoft.com phone: (203) 845-5156 4-Jan-1996 15:58:49-GMT,1735;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA04328 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA05125; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:16:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA05096 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:16:02 -0600 X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 4-Jan-1996 10:20:13 -0500; at im_sna_norwalk_2.mustmhs X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 04-Jan-1996 10:15:20 -0500 From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Printed Pages from PDF; bad column 73 Date: 04 Jan 96 10:13:54 EST Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) When I print a page from a PDF, I get "garbage" (<") in column 73 of every line. I am using helvetica (same happens for times-roman). I generated the PDF from Distiller 2.0. This happerns when I print pages from Exchange 2.0, Reader 2.0 or Reader 2.1. If I print pages from Acrobat's 2.0 Help PDF files, I get a blank in every column 73. I've tried several printer drivers, all of which do the same thing. My printer is an HP LaserJet III D. I used the latest HP printer driver. I also used a Postscript printer driver. Does anyone know why this is happening, and how I can get rid of it? Is this a 2.0 bug? If I upgrade to Acrobat for Workgroups 2.1 and use the 2.1 Distiller will this problem go away? Thanks for any help and advice. Sue Liptak Thomson Software Products email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com phone: 203-845-5156 4-Jan-1996 17:02:22-GMT,2675;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA05203 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:02:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05703; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:34:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA05660 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:32:08 -0600 From: chunt@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 08:24:30 PST Message-Id: <9600048207.AA820772787@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, Kevin Subject: Re: ALL CAPTURE USERS Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chunt@mv.us.adobe.com Some info re Capture. Capture does not directly drive microfilm/fiche systems. It will process TIFs created by those devices (G3, G4, LZA or uncompressed TIFS). I know one site that uses the Sunrise Imaging film/fiche scanner and gets pretty good results. Capture does not compete with microfilm per se. The benefit of Capture is that it will convert static images (wherever they are derived from - paper, film, etc) into "live" searchable, compact PDF files that are faithful to the original document. You thus could use Capture and Acrobat for an archiving system that is more effective than MF because the results are searchable, the files are portable and easily distributed via CD or internet - but we are not positioning it as a competitor to MF. Re speed, Capture 1.01 under W/95 will process about 120 "average" pages an hour on a high-end Pentium (120 or 133mhz clock). 16MB Ram required, more is always better. Capture supports dozens of scanners (we license the entire the Pixel Translations set), you should choose the scanner you need based on volume and the type of documents. Even if Capture does not directly drive the scanner, as noted above, all you need to do is send it the resulting TIFs. Chris Hunt Adobe Systems ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: ALL CAPTURE USERS Author: Kevin at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/4/96 3:02 AM ANYONE who can give continued advice as to the speed capabilities and real world experienced uses of Adobe Capture would be greatly appreciated. Currently, I'm sitting on a copy of Capture that has not been used. I hesitate to run to the market without input as to its capabilties in the reality. How will it compete with microfilm? or does it? Do you need multiple scanners and software to be effective and efficient? Thanks in advance...KKastner, (Alaska) 4-Jan-1996 21:41:11-GMT,2354;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA09068 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06843; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:15:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06811 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:14:22 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:06:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199601042106.NAA08532@fosse.virage.com> X-Sender: robertc@mesa X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Robert Crews Subject: Maintaining hyperlinks in evolving docs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Robert Crews My company is considering using Adobe Acrobat for internal reviews and markups of corporate documentation. Specifically, we want to write design documents in Microsoft Word and customer documenation in Adobe FrameMaker. We are considering the feasability of generating Acrobat documents from both these packages and hyperlinking sections in the design document with related sections in the user's manuals. I know it can be done, but I'm concerned about the real-world time involved in maintaining hyperlinks in documents that are constantly changing. (We want to be able to make changes in either package and simply create Acrobat files without having to manually reapply hyperlinks.) Can this be done? I understand that FrameMaker has the capability to store hypertext links in the FrameMaker file that can be retained (automatically converted) for the Acrobat version (using a special print-to-file option and the Distiller). Does anyone know how well this works? Does anyone know if Microsoft Word has this capability too? All comments and suggestions will be greatly apprecitated. Robert ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert Crews Virage Incorporated Senior Technical Writer 9605 Scranton Road, Suite 240 robertc@virage.com San Diego, CA 92121 Phone: (619) 587-4062 www.virage.com Fax: (619) 587-4070 ----------------------------------------------------------- 4-Jan-1996 22:38:50-GMT,1588;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA09761 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:38:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA07156; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:57:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA07127 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:56:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:56:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) Subject: Re: ALL CAPTURE USERS Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) Bear in mind that what you get is a document suitable for _archiving_; it will not be suitable for editing in a word processor or page layout package. >Subject: ALL CAPTURE USERS >Author: Kevin at cc_smtp2 >Date: 1/4/96 3:02 AM > > >ANYONE who can give continued advice as to the speed capabilities and >real world experienced uses of Adobe Capture would be greatly >appreciated. >Currently, I'm sitting on a copy of Capture that has not been used. I >hesitate to run to the market without input as to its capabilties in the >reality. >How will it compete with microfilm? or does it? > >Do you need multiple scanners and software to be effective and >efficient? > >Thanks in advance...KKastner, (Alaska) 4-Jan-1996 22:55:44-GMT,1142;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA09895 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:55:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07381; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:18:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07350 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:17:33 -0600 Reply-To: dlarkin@Auspex.com@auspex.com X-Sender: dlarkin@auspex.auspex.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:21:47 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) Subject: automatically showing bookmarks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) I've been looking through a couple of Acrobat books to find out how to have the bookmarks show up as the file is opened. I know this is possible because the Acrobat help files do so. Could someone let me know how? thanks, doug larkin 4-Jan-1996 23:02:26-GMT,1373;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA09942 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:02:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07621; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:32:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07573 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:32:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199601042231.QAA21174@glacier.binc.net> To: "PDF-L@emrg.com" Subject: Capture, and the faint of heart. Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 16:25:17 -0500 From: "Bradley M. Small" X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: Brian Sobus I X-Info: Evaluation version at Command.vertec.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Bradley M. Small" -- [ From: Bradley Small * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- I'd like to take a moment to make a comment concerning Deidre Packnad's comments on Capture here post is partiially quoted below: >From: Deidre Paknad > Deidre Paknad > Glyphica Solutions > Palo Alto, CA > paknad@glyphica.com > 415/493-0620 >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:57:16 -0800 >Subject: Re: Catalog ... lots of lovely glowing stuff about PDF and Acrobat in general removed... 4-Jan-1996 23:02:33-GMT,2130;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA09947 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:02:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07551; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:31:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07519 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:31:13 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199601042232.RAA18304@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: automatically showing bookmarks To: dlarkin@Auspex.com@auspex.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:32:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: from "Doug Larkin" at Jan 4, 96 02:21:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > I've been looking through a couple of Acrobat books to find out how to > have the bookmarks show up as the file is opened. I know this is possible > because the Acrobat help files do so. Could someone let me know how? doug: In Acrobat Exchange 2.1, from the File menu select "Document Info" and then "Open". In the "Open Info" dialog box select "Bookmarks and Page" and then click "OK". Use "Save" or "Save As" to save your document. When next opened, it will automatically display the bookmarks. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Jan-1996 5:12:56-GMT,3758;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA12677 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:12:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA10278; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:53:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA10238 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:51:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:53:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199601050453.XAA43485@tequesta.gate.net> X-Sender: chrisl@pop.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Subject: Re: ALL CAPTURE USERS X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) KKastner, (Alaska) wrote: >ANYONE who can give continued advice as to the speed capabilities and >real world experienced uses of Adobe Capture would be greatly appreciated. I'll add the following to Chris Hunts comments. Capture allows you to scan and OCR documents and produce PDF files. With Capture, Adobe has made a giant leap in OCRing technology by maintaining the font, layout, and graphic appearance of the original document (prior scan/OCR packages mainly left you with unformatted ACSII text... the Alliant Techsystems "ANYImage" Product being a noteable exception). Even with the great job that Capture does, it is still limited by the problems of OCR accuracy (note that this is a problem with ANY OCR package, Adobe is making the best of the limits of the technology). This means that, depending on the quality and fonts used in the source material you will see anywhere from 75% to 99% accuracy in the resulting OCR text. This means that, unless you can live with errors in the text, you will have to MANUALLY review and clean up the end result, which is not something to be undertaken by the weak of heart or those who are looking for inexpensive/high volume throughput. Note that even with manual review I would recommend NOT advertising your accuracy above 99.5% (humans are also prone to error). Capture helps you in the clean up phase with the Capture Reviewer which I find to be comparatively excellent (hey guys, everything has its quirks). The bottom line is that clean up and review is long and tedious work... and it costs money. On the scanner side, its not so much what Capture supports as what you require, and what you can afford. The range I seen is $500.00 to $25,000 and you basically get what you pay for. If you have low volume requirements you can get a flat-bed with a sheet feeder and do about a page a minute in scan time and post process to PDF later at about 30 seconds to 2 minutes a page depending on page complexity and machine speed (note that Capture requires a minimum of 16MB of memory and that image files eat up disk space like crazy). High-end scanners like the Fujitsu M3099 advertise 55 pages per min at 200DPI (note that 300DPI is about the minimum for good OCR) for around $25,000. The long and short of it is that, although Adobe has advanced the technology by a giant leap with Capture, this is still a difficult and costly business to be in (without even considering the problems of destroying someone's original document in your scanner). I'd recommend opening up your Capture package and doing 100 pages to get a feel for it. If you are still game, consider doing your first few jobs with the help of a high volume scanning house (you send em the paper, they send you TIFs) before trading your car for a Fujitsu M3099. Chris Lane Computer Multimedia Productions Corporation 5-Jan-1996 7:19:33-GMT,1713;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA14115 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:19:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA11735; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:47:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA11699 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:46:07 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:47:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Herbach To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Distributing writable Acrobat doc Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jonathan Herbach You'll have to excuse my relative inexperience w/ creating PDF files, but... I created a few order forms in PageMaker 6, and distilled them to PDF files. I'd like to distribute these items and have people "type in" infomation like quantity, billing/shipping addresses, and then print out the information or send the file back to us? It would have to be easy to accomplish for people who are are computer literate, but not experts. Or, does anybody have any suggestions about alternate solutions? Thanks. Jonathan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jonathan Herbach / -- Simplicity is your best defense. -- jonherb@nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us / http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~jonherb - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5-Jan-1996 10:22:27-GMT,1816;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA14862 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 03:22:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA12657; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 03:38:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA12623 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 03:37:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 96 09:35 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-4-96 [V1 #126] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199601050550.XAA10872@grandcanyon.binc.net> >From Peter Mathews, Computerstream UK Subject: Re: ALL CAPTURE USERS KKastner, (Alaska) wrote: >ANYONE who can give continued advice as to the speed capabilities and >real world experienced uses of Adobe Capture would be greatly appreciated. When on a recent trip to the USA, we visited our friends at Vertec Solutions in NC, and were greatly impressed by their Verzions product, which allows multiple Capture processing stations to work in a workgroup, and an enhanced version of reviewer which greatly increases throughput of the review stage by just displaying the "hits" and the "guesses" in column format on the screen. The page can still be "eyeballed" in the standard Capture Reveiwer process if desired. I consider Verzions along with Alliant Techsystems Infolinker products to be a major contribution to Adobe's Capture product. Regards to all Peter Mathews Computerstream Ltd Manchester England 5-Jan-1996 14:52:54-GMT,2943;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA16113 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 07:52:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13977; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:06:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA13936 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:03:12 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:07:17 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Humeniuk Subject: Re: Distributing writable Acrobat doc To: jonherb@nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Humeniuk On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Jonathan Herbach wrote: > You'll have to excuse my relative inexperience w/ creating PDF files, but... > > I created a few order forms in PageMaker 6, and distilled them to PDF > files. I'd like to distribute these items and have people "type in" > infomation like quantity, billing/shipping addresses, and then print out > the information or send the file back to us? It would have to be easy to > accomplish for people who are are computer literate, but not experts. > > Or, does anybody have any suggestions about alternate solutions? > > Thanks. > Jonathan > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Jonathan Herbach / -- Simplicity is your best defense. -- > jonherb@nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us / http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~jonherb > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Try out "TranzForm" by VerTec Solutions Inc. Tranzforms designer allows you to enhance your PDF file by giving you the power to create multiple, custom field types within your document, or choose from standard fields for calculations, check boxes, currency, or text. Once defined, TrazForm permits multiple users to fill in, (or populate), the created fields with data. Tranzform also stores data independently in a Trailer Document. Saving the file as a Trailer Document gives users the option of storing, importing, or exporting information without the form. Tranzform also allows you the option of being able to update and extract from existing ODBC compliant data bases such as FoxPro, Access, Paradox, D Base, etc. Your PDF file is now available for viewing, printing, or transmitting to anyone, anywhere, on any platform supported by Adobe Acrobat. E-mail me your FAX number and I will send you some information that I received.. Phil Humeniuk Systems/Applications CCH Canadian Limitied 6 Garamond Court North York, Ontario M3C 1Z5 CANADA email: phil@ca.cch.com 5-Jan-1996 15:20:44-GMT,1443;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA16369 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA14284; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:49:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA14212 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:47:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199601051447.IAA22144@glacier.binc.net> To: "PDF-L@emrg.com" Subject: Repose of Capture and tthe faint of heart Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 08:40:48 -0500 From: "Bradley M. Small" X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 X-Info: Evaluation version at Command.vertec.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Bradley M. Small" -- [ From: Bradley Small * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- Expanded recipient data: To: Bradley Small \ VIM: (Bradley Small at VerTec) I'd like to take a moment to make a comment concerning Deidre Packnad's comments on Capture here post is partiially quoted below: >From: Deidre Paknad > Deidre Paknad > Glyphica Solutions > Palo Alto, CA > paknad@glyphica.com > 415/493-0620 >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:57:16 -0800 >Subject: Re: Catalog ... lots of lovely glowing stuff about PDF and Acrobat in general removed... 5-Jan-1996 16:27:26-GMT,2398;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA17005 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:27:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA14573; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:40:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA14524 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:37:28 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199601051538.KAA28290@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Distributing writable Acrobat doc To: jonherb@nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us (Jonathan Herbach) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:38:06 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan Herbach" at Jan 4, 96 10:47:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > I created a few order forms in PageMaker 6, and distilled them to PDF > files. I'd like to distribute these items and have people "type in" > infomation like quantity, billing/shipping addresses, and then print out > the information or send the file back to us? It would have to be easy to > accomplish for people who are are computer literate, but not experts. > > Or, does anybody have any suggestions about alternate solutions? As Phil Humeniuk pointed out, TRANZFROM from VerTec Solutions sounds like what you're looking for. You can download a demo of the software and get a copy of the User Guide (in PDF, of course) from the "Software Add-ons" page of EMERGE's web at: http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Jan-1996 16:47:09-GMT,1638;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA17297 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA14755; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:59:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA14720 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:59:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:59:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Garry J. Forger" X-Sender: gjforger@forbin.syr.edu To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Updating PDF files In-Reply-To: <199601051538.KAA28290@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Garry J. Forger" We have started to successfully use PDF to distribute our Policy and Procedure manuals here at our institution. I am trying to put together the updating procedure. Is there a way, using Exchange, to update documents without reconverting through the PDFwriter and losing the links? Thanks, Garry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Garry Forger email gjforger@mailbox.syr.edu Systems Librarian Web http://web.syr.edu/~gjforger/ Crouse Irving Memorial Hospital Library 315-470-7380 Phone 736 Irving Ave. Syracuse, New York 13210 315-470-7443 Fax "No food with lungs." -Kelly Greene ******************************************************** 5-Jan-1996 16:51:29-GMT,1734;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA17330 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:51:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14930; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:09:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA14897 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:09:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199601051608.KAA20192@glacier.binc.net> To: "PDF-L@emrg.com" Subject: Third time's a charm. Re: Capture and the faint of heart. Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 10:02:06 -0500 From: "Bradley M. Small" X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 X-Info: Evaluation version at Command.vertec.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Bradley M. Small" -- [ From: Bradley Small * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- Expanded recipient data: To: Bradley Small \ VIM: (Bradley Small at VerTec) Ok, if this doesn't go through, I'll give up! I'm sure everyone say what I quoted twice, now here is just the response part, that keeps getting cut off! I'd like to mention that we (VerTec Solutions Inc) offer an alternative to Reviewer called ReviewZ. It is an .ACD editor, that works solely with text. It presents a two column format with raster images on the left and best guess text on the right. You then have the option of going down the list and accepting the text or editting it or leaving it as a is so that it still shows up in Reviewer. Bradley M. Small, Software Engineer VerTec Solutions Inc. Phone - (910) 855-9555 Fax - (910) 855-1766 bsmall@vertec.com 5-Jan-1996 21:39:57-GMT,2259;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA20743 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA24176; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:53:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA24142 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:50:54 -0600 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 15:44:23 EST From: "itr" Encoding: 39 Text Message-Id: <9600058208.AA820885761@relay1.proteon.com> To: Kendall Whitehouse , dlarkin@Auspex.com@auspex.com Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: automatically showing bookmarks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "itr" Must you always do this on a per file basis or is it possible to do this in some batch way? I want bookmarks and thumnails to appear in several books but don't know how to make this happen except to open each file individually. Please advise. Thanks. Irene Rubin > I've been looking through a couple of Acrobat books to find out how to > have the bookmarks show up as the file is opened. I know this is possible > because the Acrobat help files do so. Could someone let me know how? doug: In Acrobat Exchange 2.1, from the File menu select "Document Info" and then "Open". In the "Open Info" dialog box select "Bookmarks and Page" and then click "OK". Use "Save" or "Save As" to save your document. When next opened, it will automatically display the bookmarks. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-Jan-1996 23:31:28-GMT,2226;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA22126 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:31:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA13520; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:44:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA13486 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:43:40 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199601052244.RAA05187@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Re[2]: automatically showing bookmarks To: Irene.Rubin@proteon.com (itr) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:44:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <9600058208.AA820885761@relay1.proteon.com> from "itr" at Jan 5, 96 03:44:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > Must you always do this on a per file basis or is it possible to do > this in some batch way? I want bookmarks and thumnails to > appear in several books but don't know how to make this > happen except to open each file individually. You can automate Acrobat Exchange using AppleScript (on a Macintosh) or OLE automation (under Windows). For more detail, see Adobe's Technical Note 5155: "Acrobat Viewer Interapplication Communication Support" on Adobe's web in the section on "Technical Notes for Developers" at: http://www.adobe.com/Support/TechNotes.html :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Jan-1996 0:47:11-GMT,1249;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA22922 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14018; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:59:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA13985 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:58:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199601051604.LAA13068@dns.ak.att.com> X-Sender: hpd@akgu01.ak.att.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 11:04:39 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Paul Debban Subject: Weblink to Bookmark or Article? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Paul Debban I am using the WebLink Acrobat Add-In to reference another pdf document on a Web server with no problems. Can I use WenLink to go directly to a specific bookmark, article, or view in the referenced pdf document? Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Paul Debban hpd@smtp-gw.ak.att.com Phone: 770 798-2039 6-Jan-1996 1:51:27-GMT,3070;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA23309 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA14568; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:16:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA14531 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:15:40 -0600 Message-ID: <01BADBAA.2FD63280@dialin12.esinet.net> From: Karl Schmidtmann To: "'pdf-l@emrg.com'" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:12:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Karl Schmidtmann Irene: At Software Partners we will be releasing an upgrade to our Acrobat publisher's toolkit Compose with batch processing capabilities. Compose 2.0 will be able to create thumbnails and set security and page open options in batch mode. The new version will be available January 30th. Compose currently has an intuitive Bookmarks by Example tool that allows you to create hierarchical bookmarks based of the font styles of your headings. Once you create bookmarks for one document, you can save the style as a template, and apply the template in batch mode to directories of similar documents. A 30 day version of Compose 1.0 can be downloaded from our Web site: www.buckaroo.com or from our friends at Emerge: www.emrg.com Good luck. Karl Schmidtmann 804-984-5500 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Must you always do this on a per file basis or is it possible to do this in some batch way? I want bookmarks and thumnails to appear in several books but don't know how to make this happen except to open each file individually. =20 Please advise. Thanks. Irene Rubin > I've been looking through a couple of Acrobat books to find out how to > have the bookmarks show up as the file is opened. I know this is = possible > because the Acrobat help files do so. Could someone let me know how? doug:=20 In Acrobat Exchange 2.1, from the File menu select "Document Info" and=20 then "Open". In the "Open Info" dialog box select "Bookmarks and Page"=20 and then click "OK". Use "Save" or "Save As" to save your document. When next opened, it=20 will automatically display the bookmarks. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . = . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: = http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . = . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania=20 (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . = . . 6-Jan-1996 16:55:19-GMT,3594;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA27556 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA18629; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 10:32:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA18539 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 10:28:19 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199601061629.LAA13368@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Weblink to Bookmark or Article? To: hpd@smtp-gw.ak.att.com (Paul Debban) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:29:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199601051604.LAA13068@dns.ak.att.com> from "Paul Debban" at Jan 5, 96 11:04:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse Paul Debban asks: > I am using the WebLink Acrobat Add-In to reference another pdf document on a > Web server with no problems. > > Can I use WenLink to go directly to a specific bookmark, article, or view in > the referenced pdf document? This is a *very* good question. And I think the answer is "yes" (to at least the last of these) but -- here comes the bad news -- it's not easy. As a disclaimer I should say that I haven't actually *done* this, but (if I understand the documentation correctly) it should work. If someone's actually attempted this, please chime with more information. In Adobe's Technical Note 5156 "Updates to the PDF Reference Manual" it states: A reference to a part of, fragment of, or sub-function with an object can be specified after a pound sign (#) within a URI. It is usually used to denote locations within a document. The meaning of this fragment-id is entirely application specific. The semantics of the fragment-id of the URI for PDF specifies a named destination (as described in Section 6.11) within the document. When resolving the fragment id, the WebLink plug-in will check all named destinations defined for the document: if one is found whose name matches the fragment id, the destination will be invoked. So, it sounds like you can do it if your link target is a named destination. How do you create a named destination? There's the rub. If you can embed PostScript code in your source document (which will be passed through to the PostScript output file by the printer driver) you can use pdfmark to create a named destination. See Adobe's Technical Note 5150 "pdfmark Reference Manual". Unfortunately, I know of no other way to create a named destination. If someone knows another way to do this, please enlighten me. This might also be a good opportunity to create a handy little plug-in that does this for you. I'd be willing to pay a few bucks for such a tool. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Jan-1996 18:13:07-GMT,4008;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA27971 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:13:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18969; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:57:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA18909 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:54:44 -0600 X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 96 10:15 PST From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: acrobat@blueworld.com Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: (remoran@kiwi.futuris.net) Subject: Re: Quark Immedia, Display PostScript Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) This is a follow-up to a posting on the acrobat@blueworld.com list. I've included the pdf-l@emrg.com list in the distribution because the issue it raises is one that is significant for the future of PDF in general. > Brian, Movielink plus Exchange will allow for integrated multimedia > documents. As far as the Quark document format, if it isan't PostScript, > there will be a problem about platform independence because the major OS's > are moving toward Display PostScript for both screen and print consistency > and Acrobat is one of the reasons why this is happening. I disagree with this strongly. I believe Display PostScript is dead in the water: - MS Windows doesn't support it. All Windows apps use Windows' own API for device-independent output. The Windows API is a dreadful mess, but it's the only game in that particular town. - Mac OS doesn't support it. All Mac apps use the Mac Toolbox for device-independent output, which is converted to PostScript by the OS, or else use PostScript directly for printing. - While essentially all Unix systems (with the exception of H-P) now include Display PostScript, almost no apps use it as an API. The de facto standard in the Unix world is Xlib (often with some libraries layered on top), which has been universally available for much longer. Since Unix has no printing architecture, PostScript is indeed the standard intermediate format for printing, but I don't see any signs that it's gaining any currency for the display. PDF's graphics capabilities are a subset of (Level 2) PostScript's. It has no provisions for multi-byte fonts, for pattern fills, for arcs (!), and for several other PostScript conveniences. Applications that use the DPS API will not be able to output PDF effortlessly. I think it would be a smart move on Adobe's part to define a PDF-based DPS-like API, and give away freely redistributable implementations on all the major platforms. DPS is way too complicated and costly to become a standard at this point, but PDF as an API might still have some chance of becoming established. Acrobat is a good application with a relatively open architecture, and making it easy for apps to migrate to PDF (which can be mapped to PostScript, for printing, with relatively little trouble) could benefit Adobe a lot. I'm sure Adobe already offers a PDF SDK that provides this capability, but it isn't freely available and its specs aren't open. Adobe's strategy is probably to make as much money as they can off of it by licensing it to a few dozen key application developers, but I think this is a repetition of a mistake that the industry has seen many times. I think it's a mistake because it attempts to control access to a technology that would bring much larger rewards by becoming universal. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com Menlo Park, CA 94025 | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 6-Jan-1996 18:30:19-GMT,3297;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA28031 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:30:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA19165; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:14:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA19135 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:13:45 -0600 Message-Id: <30EEBB82.5AFF@brownell.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 12:12:18 -0600 From: Megan Seymour-Karpf Organization: Brownell-Talbot X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat and Compose Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Megan Seymour-Karpf We've just released a CD with 11 manuals in PDF with Search for CD-ROM (5000 pages with bookmarks,fulltext search, AutoIndex). The end-user response has been fabulous. Thanks so much for the tips I've gotten here. Kudos to Acrobat and Compose. The Compose banners and the Next Page/Previous Page links on each page were a HUGE plus. I typed Next Page and Previous Page in the banners, so I could draw a Link around them. I did a Copy Link (batch mode) on the banner words so the links would show on all 5000 pages. Now for my Questions about Compose: It's time to update the manuals. We update the doc every 8 weeks. Just certain pages change. I use Edit/Replace pages so I can keep the bookmarks. 1. When I paginate, does another banner overlay or replace the current banner? 2. How do I totally remove the banner? 3. Can I remove or edit/replace the Copy Links in batch mode? 4. If the banner overlays, how many times can I overlay? 5. All our headings are black Helvetica 12 Bold regardless of their hierarchy. The heading hierarchy is based on placement on the page (Centering, Flush left and indents) - so we can't use Compose's Automatic BookMark tool. Any hope for a Compose add-on that can distinguish hierarchy from the placement on the page? 6. We have Landscape and Portrait pages in the same PDF. The Copy Links that looked fine in the banners of the Portrait pages are off in the Landscape pages. How do I prevent/correct this? Acrobat Question 7. We need an install setup (for Mac and PC) that will give our end users a meaningful program group and icon with our Company's logo, not just Acrobat. We have InstallShield but we need tips or advise. How? Thanks in advance. TTFN, Megan Seymour-Karpf We used: FrameMaker 5.1 PowerMac (legacy documentation) Acrobat Distiller 2.1 Acrobat for Workgroups (both Pentium and PowerMac) Compose PC ReMark PC Catalog PowerMac Acrobat Search for CDROM _____________________________________________________ "And the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." -- T.S. Eliot _____________________________________________________ Megan Seymour-Karpf Phone 402 222-4730 First Data Corp. Suite 200 Fax 402 593-9126 11128 John Galt Blvd. Omaha Ne 68137 Ideas and opinions expressed here are my own and may not reflect FDC opinions. 7-Jan-1996 6:25:43-GMT,2848;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA01793 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:25:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA22472; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:57:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA22440 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:56:32 -0600 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:57:18 -0800 X-Sender: fbaumhac@popserv.ucop.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Franz.Baumhackl@ucop.edu (Franz Baumhackl) Subject: Encyclopedia to CD ROM (Advice needed) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Franz.Baumhackl@ucop.edu (Franz Baumhackl) Folks, I'm new to this list and desperateley need guidance: This Monday I will get FrameMaker documents (Mac), for a 1,000-page book (7" by 9") with about 150 greyscale images (lo-res screenshots). The book is an encyclopedia, and is ready to go to the printer. A companion CD in searchable Acrobat format was promised months ago, but "somehow" forgotten in the book production process. And I stuck my neck out, because a while ago I distilled a couple of docs and served them on the web. I bought FrameMaker 5 (I usually design and produce books in Quark) and Acrobat Pro for the Mac. I started cramming the manuals. There is a good chance that I can get Acrobat Catalog and Search-CD on Monday. Since the Frame doc contains no hypertext links, where is it faster and easier to do so: Frame or Acrobat. Without Acrobat Catalog I assume I need to create a table of contents (to function like a homepage) in Frame, save the 3 levels of headings (alphabet-letter, entry, sub-entry) as bookmarks, and link them. The encyclopedia's entries have lots of "see also (some other entry)", I project about 250 based on a small text sample, and it would be helpful to have these links on the CD. But where in the process should I create these links. If I get Catalog and Search-CD: are its benefits to me as beginner obvious, are the searches better and faster to the enduser? Under these circumstances (not being too familiar with Frame, only somewhat comfortable with Acrobat, time-pressure, near-despair, confusion): what easy approach can I take to add some value to this CD. Please help. Regards, Franz PS: I'm more than willing to give in return any of my publishing services (Quark, image editing, prepress) for your advice. Since my PPP connection is temporarily out of order (I work at home) I'll travel to and log on this computer only once daily. Collect calls (US) gladly accepted: 510.548-3574. Or e-mail to a friend of mine: chcoll35@aol.com 8-Jan-1996 13:32:37-GMT,4844;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA11129 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:32:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA31671; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 07:14:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA31601 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 07:05:28 -0600 Message-ID: <30F108E1.6BD7@hal-pc.org> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 07:06:57 -0500 From: "Larry W. Dybala" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chcol135@aol.com CC: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-7-96 [V1 #129] References: <199601080550.XAA29030@grandcanyon.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Larry W. Dybala" I would definitely put the links in the Frame text and use Acrobat Distiller to convert the document and links. Once you create a table of contents and print to a PostScript file with the Acrobat creation option turned on, Distiller will produce links both to the Table of Contents and also bookmarks that appear in the margin. You're cross-references placed in FrameMaker and any index terms will also contain links. You'll probably want to create as style that colors the text differently whenever there is a link. I use a Blue character style to do this. It is easy to add bookmarks with Exchange, but if the original text ever changes, you'll have to redo all of the bookmarks after you reprint the file to PDF format. Also, the colored boxes that designate exchange bookmarks look cluggy; You'll probably have to each instance within the document and apply a Blue, or similar format anyway. You'll need Acrobat Pro to get distiller. I also believe that it is free with the new PageMaker or Adobe Illustrator (for the Mac) products or upgrades. owner-pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net wrote: > > PDF-DIGEST Sunday, 7 January 1996 Volume 01 : Number 129 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > There are 1 messages totalling 59 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the Day: > > 1. Encyclopedia to CD ROM (Advice needed) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Franz.Baumhackl@ucop.edu (Franz Baumhackl) > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:57:18 -0800 > Subject: Encyclopedia to CD ROM (Advice needed) > > Folks, I'm new to this list and desperateley need guidance: > > This Monday I will get FrameMaker documents (Mac), for a 1,000-page book > (7" by 9") with about 150 greyscale images (lo-res screenshots). The book > is an encyclopedia, and is ready to go to the printer. A companion CD in > searchable Acrobat format was promised months ago, but "somehow" forgotten > in the book production process. And I stuck my neck out, because a while > ago I distilled a couple of docs and served them on the web. > > I bought FrameMaker 5 (I usually design and produce books in Quark) and > Acrobat Pro for the Mac. I started cramming the manuals. There is a good > chance that I can get Acrobat Catalog and Search-CD on Monday. > > Since the Frame doc contains no hypertext links, where is it faster and > easier to do so: > Frame or Acrobat. > > Without Acrobat Catalog I assume I need to create a table of contents (to > function like a homepage) in Frame, save the 3 levels of headings > (alphabet-letter, entry, sub-entry) as bookmarks, and link them. > > The encyclopedia's entries have lots of "see also (some other entry)", I > project about 250 based on a small text sample, and it would be helpful to > have these links on the CD. But where in the process should I create these > links. > > If I get Catalog and Search-CD: are its benefits to me as beginner obvious, > are the searches better and faster to the enduser? > > Under these circumstances (not being too familiar with Frame, only somewhat > comfortable with Acrobat, time-pressure, near-despair, confusion): what > easy approach can I take to add some value to this CD. > > Please help. > Regards, > Franz > > PS: I'm more than willing to give in return any of my publishing services > (Quark, image editing, prepress) for your advice. Since my PPP connection > is temporarily out of order (I work at home) I'll travel to and log on this > computer only once daily. Collect calls (US) gladly accepted: > 510.548-3574. Or e-mail to a friend of mine: chcoll35@aol.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #129 > ************************* -- Larry W. Dybala lwd@hal-pc.org / 713-921-4349 URL: http://hal-pc.org/~lwd/ 8-Jan-1996 15:57:39-GMT,8294;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA12262 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:57:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA32348; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:53:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA32267 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:45:52 -0600 From: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 09:11:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-7-96 [V1 #129] To: pdf-l@emrg.com, Franz.Baumhackl@ucop.edu, chcoll35@aol.com Message-id: <9600088211.AA821121031@odp.tamu.edu> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Franz, I am working in Frame 5 on Windows, Mac, and UNIX to prepare scientific documents for printing, which are then built into CDs using Acrobat Exchange. I have always used Catalog to write indexes for each volume, but just completed the first to include the Search engine. The cool thing about Frame and Acrobat is that you can build all the bookmarks from your Frame tags...so when you're designing your Frame tags think about what you're doing. It's pretty easy. On the Windows version of Frame (which I'm most familiar with, but the Mac is usually pretty much the same) you would simply choose: File/Print/Acrobat setup/choose paragraph tags you want to appear as bookmarks in the Acrobat file. I use the bookmarks so extensively that I don't use a lot of links within the document...but it would kind of depend on how the text is written. I don't build links within the document unless I have to, because for me it is a manual thing. There may be a way to automate it, but right now I build each link by hand...very time consuming in a 1400 page book. Using Frame building the bookmarks is automated, so it is very useful to me. I build bookmarks for each title, author, order1 head, figure caption, table caption, and plate caption. With the bookmarks displayed a reader can navigate the document very handily. If the author wrote: "See figure 5" I would not build a link to figure 5, because I've already got a link to figure 5 in the bookmarks. In the Acrobat document I always use the opening preferences to set the electronic document to open with the bookmarks showing. (File/document info/open/bookmarks and page) My bookmarks appear in sequence: Title, author, order1 heads...then at the end of each chapter I list Figures with a subset of the figure captions (and the same for tables and plates), before starting the next chapter or section. For a more artistic document one might choose to set the document opening to open on the page thumbnails....but I am working in science and one page of science, tables, and equations looks pretty much like another (a non-scientist speaks). I always build them...because it's easy and looks flashy... (Edit/Thumbnails/Create All) The only drawback to the automation of bookmark building, is how I build the original Frame page. If I build all the pages carefully and build the frames in sequence, the bookmarks come out in order. But if, at the last of the project, I stick in some things that were forgotten just in text boxes, those seem to fall out of order. They are easily adjusted in Acrobat, but keep an eye out for things like that. When everything is complete, I use Catalog to write an index. The index and the Search engine are included on the CD. In the past I had the index on the CD and told the readers they would be happier if they bought the full version of Exchange rather than depend on the shareware version of Reader. I always include all the most recent versions of Reader on the CD. You can download them from Adobe, but you will get them with the Search engine. A final word of warning, when preparing a CD on a Mac, remember that the Mac is case sensitive. If you are writing a CD that has multi-platform access, you will probably use ISO 9660 to write the CD. If you use ISO 9660, you will lose all references/links to upper/lowercase files. ISO 9660 seems to be the lowest denominator of the old DOS system, so it is limited to the worst DOS restraints, 8 characters with a 3 character extension, no special character sets like hyphens, no case sensitivity, etc. If you are going from Mac to multi-platform, be very careful to name the files correctly right from the start. Get used to it. Otherwise you'll end up with files that don't link. When you write the CD, be sure to tell the manufacturer that is a hybrid CD and includes Mac and PC files. Otherwise you may find you can't access all the files. It's really a nice system. Although I'm sure the first one will be painful...let me know if you have any problems. Jennifer Hall Chief Production Editor Ocean Drilling Program ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: PDF-DIGEST for January-7-96 [V1 #129] Author: pdf-l@emrg.com at #Internet Date: 1/8/96 12:45 AM PDF-DIGEST Sunday, 7 January 1996 Volume 01 : Number 129 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 1 messages totalling 59 lines in this issue. Topics of the Day: 1. Encyclopedia to CD ROM (Advice needed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Franz.Baumhackl@ucop.edu (Franz Baumhackl) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:57:18 -0800 Subject: Encyclopedia to CD ROM (Advice needed) Folks, I'm new to this list and desperateley need guidance: This Monday I will get FrameMaker documents (Mac), for a 1,000-page book (7" by 9") with about 150 greyscale images (lo-res screenshots). The book is an encyclopedia, and is ready to go to the printer. A companion CD in searchable Acrobat format was promised months ago, but "somehow" forgotten in the book production process. And I stuck my neck out, because a while ago I distilled a couple of docs and served them on the web. I bought FrameMaker 5 (I usually design and produce books in Quark) and Acrobat Pro for the Mac. I started cramming the manuals. There is a good chance that I can get Acrobat Catalog and Search-CD on Monday. Since the Frame doc contains no hypertext links, where is it faster and easier to do so: Frame or Acrobat. Without Acrobat Catalog I assume I need to create a table of contents (to function like a homepage) in Frame, save the 3 levels of headings (alphabet-letter, entry, sub-entry) as bookmarks, and link them. The encyclopedia's entries have lots of "see also (some other entry)", I project about 250 based on a small text sample, and it would be helpful to have these links on the CD. But where in the process should I create these links. If I get Catalog and Search-CD: are its benefits to me as beginner obvious, are the searches better and faster to the enduser? Under these circumstances (not being too familiar with Frame, only somewhat comfortable with Acrobat, time-pressure, near-despair, confusion): what easy approach can I take to add some value to this CD. Please help. Regards, Franz PS: I'm more than willing to give in return any of my publishing services (Quark, image editing, prepress) for your advice. Since my PPP connection is temporarily out of order (I work at home) I'll travel to and log on this computer only once daily. Collect calls (US) gladly accepted: 510.548-3574. Or e-mail to a friend of mine: chcoll35@aol.com ------------------------------ End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #129 ************************* 9-Jan-1996 21:32:56-GMT,1315;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA27887 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:32:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06852; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:03:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06764 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:55:14 -0600 X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 9-Jan-1996 15:59:27 -0500; at im_sna_norwalk_2.mustmhs X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 09-Jan-1996 15:54:34 -0500 From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Printed pages from PDF; bad data in column 73 Date: 09 Jan 96 15:54:23 EST Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) It seems that my problem of getting either garbage data or blanks in column 73 when I print to my HP LaserJet III D is printer related. I printed the same PDF pages on different printers and the output is fine. If I print to a different HP printer, the output contains garbage. So, I guess the printing problem is printer-related, not Acrobat-related (even though I am using the latest HP printer driver). 9-Jan-1996 21:39:22-GMT,2025;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA28084 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06994; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:19:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06944 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:16:25 -0600 Posted-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 17:13:43 EDT From: "Thomas W. Knecht" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 17:13:43 EDT Message-Id: <62024.tknecht@wolf.ces.ncsu.edu> Reply-To: X-Popmail-Charset: English To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: jbrother@unity.ncsu.edu, jgajan@unity.ncsu.edu, tknecht@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: PDF vs. HTML Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Thomas W. Knecht" Our department is trying to compare the relative advantages and disadvantages of mounting documents on our Web server as Acrobat PDF files versus coding them in HTML, recognizing that the two approaches offer somewhat different capabilities. Has anyone conducted a careful comparative study of typical sample documents comparing (1) the file size of the same document in HTML and Acrobat PDF and (2) the amount of staff time required to prepare the document? If so, we'd be most grateful if you would be willing to share the results, including specifics of the documents used in the comparison and any assumptions made. Other comments that would help make the comparison would also be most welcome. Thanks in advance! ----------------------------------------- Thomas W. Knecht Production & Special Projects Coordinator Department of Agricultural Communications Campus Box 7603 North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-7603 e-mail: tknecht@wolf.ces.ncsu.edu Telephone: 919-515-3173 Fax: 919-515-7191 ------------------------------------------ 9-Jan-1996 23:25:31-GMT,3653;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA29458 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:25:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07587; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:59:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07544 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:50:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199601092249.QAA24230@glacier.binc.net> To: "Thomas W. Knecht" , PDF-List Subject: Re: PDF vs. HTML Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 17:49:58 -0500 From: Brian Sobus X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "jbrother@unity.ncsu.edu" , "jgajan@unity.ncsu.edu" , "tknecht@unity.ncsu.edu" X-Info: Evaluation version at Command.vertec.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brian Sobus -- [ From: Brian Sobus * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- Thomas, Although I am unsure as to actual numbers, I would expect that building a PDF file would take less staff time than building an HTML. I build most of my PDFs with Word, Pagemaker, etc., whereas I build most of my HTMLs with HotMetal. As to your first question, there is a white paper on http://www.blueworld. com which discusses PDF vs. HTML file size. Although it was written before Amber, it does provide some good insight into this area. Basically, the results were that PDFs, in general, produce a smaller file than HTMLs. This is if you include all of the backgrounds, icons, images, etc. which are thrown into the HTML display. Regards, Brian -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Tuesday, 09-Jan-96 05:13 PM > > From: Thomas W. Knecht \ Internet: (tknecht@wolf.ces.ncsu.edu) > To: PDF-List \ Internet: (pdf-l@emrg.com) > cc: jbrother@unity.ncsu.edu \ Internet: (jbrother@unity.ncsu.edu) > cc: jgajan@unity.ncsu.edu \ Internet: (jgajan@unity.ncsu.edu) > cc: tknecht@unity.ncsu.edu \ Internet: (tknecht@unity.ncsu.edu) > > Subject: PDF vs. HTML > > Our department is trying to compare the relative advantages and disadvantages > of mounting documents on our Web server as Acrobat PDF files versus coding them > in HTML, recognizing that the two approaches offer somewhat different > capabilities. Has anyone conducted a careful comparative study of typical > sample documents comparing (1) the file size of the same document in HTML and > Acrobat PDF and (2) the amount of staff time required to prepare the document? > If so, we'd be most grateful if you would be willing to share the results , > including specifics of the documents used in the comparison and any assumptions > made. Other comments that would help make the comparison would also be most > welcome. Thanks in advance! > > ----------------------------------------- > Thomas W. Knecht > Production & Special Projects Coordinator > Department of Agricultural Communications > Campus Box 7603 > North Carolina State University > Raleigh, NC 27695-7603 > > e-mail: tknecht@wolf.ces.ncsu.edu > Telephone: 919-515-3173 > Fax: 919-515-7191 > ------------------------------------------ -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- -- ============================================== Brian Sobus Engineering Department VerTec Solutions, Inc. "Beyond Innovation" Internet: bsobus@vertec.com CServe: 74403,1665 ============================================== 10-Jan-1996 1:06:21-GMT,3847;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA00642 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:06:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA08346; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:22:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA08311 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:20:13 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 13:54:54 PST Message-Id: <9600098212.AA821216851@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Encyclopedia to CD ROM (Advice needed) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Franz: I'd recommend you use _both_ Frame's built-in ability to create links as well as indexing your CD with Catalog. Bookmarks (generated by Frame) and links from Indexes to their appropriate reference (again via Frame) are very useful, but so is full-text search (provided by Reader with Search for CD-ROM.). Frame, as you probably read, builds Bookmarks and accompanying links automatically based on the style used to create the orgigonal file. As far as building additional hypertext links _within_ the document, since the document is finished and won't need to be edited further, it might be easier to build links in Acrobat Exchange. You could search for "See also" and do each one manually. Might take about a minute for each one? That's a guess. The more hypertext links, the better, but full-text search adds to the mix and makes a CD a complete product. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Encyclopedia to CD ROM (Advice needed) From: Franz.Baumhackl@ucop.edu (Franz Baumhackl) at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/6/96 9:57 PM Folks, I'm new to this list and desperateley need guidance: This Monday I will get FrameMaker documents (Mac), for a 1,000-page book (7" by 9") with about 150 greyscale images (lo-res screenshots). The book is an encyclopedia, and is ready to go to the printer. A companion CD in searchable Acrobat format was promised months ago, but "somehow" forgotten in the book production process. And I stuck my neck out, because a while ago I distilled a couple of docs and served them on the web. I bought FrameMaker 5 (I usually design and produce books in Quark) and Acrobat Pro for the Mac. I started cramming the manuals. There is a good chance that I can get Acrobat Catalog and Search-CD on Monday. Since the Frame doc contains no hypertext links, where is it faster and easier to do so: Frame or Acrobat. Without Acrobat Catalog I assume I need to create a table of contents (to function like a homepage) in Frame, save the 3 levels of headings (alphabet-letter, entry, sub-entry) as bookmarks, and link them. The encyclopedia's entries have lots of "see also (some other entry)", I project about 250 based on a small text sample, and it would be helpful to have these links on the CD. But where in the process should I create these links. If I get Catalog and Search-CD: are its benefits to me as beginner obvious, are the searches better and faster to the enduser? Under these circumstances (not being too familiar with Frame, only somewhat comfortable with Acrobat, time-pressure, near-despair, confusion): what easy approach can I take to add some value to this CD. Please help. Regards, Franz PS: I'm more than willing to give in return any of my publishing services (Quark, image editing, prepress) for your advice. Since my PPP connection is temporarily out of order (I work at home) I'll travel to and log on this computer only once daily. Collect calls (US) gladly accepted: 510.548-3574. Or e-mail to a friend of mine: chcoll35@aol.com 10-Jan-1996 10:02:54-GMT,1350;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA04714 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:02:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA11777; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:41:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA11744 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:38:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 09:47:22 +0000 From: Andy Healey Subject: Problem with bitmapping TIFFs To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: LeeMail 2.0.4 Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Andy Healey Thanks for the help with interactivity. Now for the next one: I'm using archived repro scans of book jackets, putting them into layouts using Quark for writing to PDF. The scans are 300dpi TIFF files and so I expected good quality viewing - instead they are all bitmapped and fail to improve on zooming. Has anyone encountered this problem and found a fix for it? Bit of an urgent one this as Sales Director departs for Aus/NZ on Friday! Andy Healey Andy@dcpublishers.co.uk David & Charles Publishers Newton Abbot, Devon, UK, TQ12 4PU Tel: 44 (0) 1626 61121 10-Jan-1996 18:57:58-GMT,13099;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA08960 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:57:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13720; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:36:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA13642 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:33:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:41:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199601101841.MAA15595@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: Capture rev 1.01 notes Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Several people have asked about new features available in the Capture 1.01 release which is now shipping. Attached below is a section from the README file contained with the new release that outlines the new features in= detail. One of the most noteworthy improvements is compatibility with Windows 95. I can personally attest to the fact that Capture 1.01 runs a great deal faster and better under that OS. Another item not mentioned in the README (below) is that you are now licensed to run Capture Reviewer on up to 5 workstations. This will be a real advantage to anyone doing high volume conversions requiring document clean-up. Capture 1.01 is a *FREE* upgrade to all *registered users* of the full retail package (not NFR/evaluation copies). If you currently own a copy of Capture 1.0 and have properly registed the product, you will receive the upgrade package directly from Adobe Systems without any further action on your part. Upgrades are expected to ship before month end. STAY TUNED FOR NEWS ON THE AVAILABILITY OF SPECIAL ACROBAT CAPTURE EVALUATION PACKAGES EXCLUSIVELY FROM EMERGE.=20 GLG .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- .-.-.-.-.-. *******New Features Documentation for Acrobat Capture Release 1.01 {Note: this ReadMe file is the only area these new features are documented.) 1.0 Win 95 compatibility. Acrobat Capture 1.01 will run under Windows 3.1, 3.11 and Windows 95 but it is not Windows 95 logo compliant. It does support long file names in Capture and Reviewer but not UNC (Universal Naming Conventions). Because Acrobat 2.0 and 2.1 do not support long file names (under Windows) however, it may be most useful to continue using 8.3= filenames. Windows 3.1 Capture users are strongly encouraged to convert to Win95 because Win32S problems under Windows 3.1 will not be an issue. Acrobat Capture under Windows 95 will also load images faster and be more robust in other areas as well. 1.1 Support for Multipage TIFS. Acrobat Capture now supports multipage TIFs by reading all the sub-images in a TIF file (produced by some scanners and other imaging products) and producing a corresponding PDF file with the same name and number of pages. Thus Chase.tif containing 6 images will render Chase.pdf with 6 pages. The user will not have the option in Acrobat Capture of breaking the MP TIF down into 6 images and getting 6 individual pages out. (Breaking up the file into individual pages can be done in Acrobat, however.) For collating purposes, if Chase.tif and Chase2.tif both exist in the same directory and one contains 6 images and the other 7, and the input directory has Collate Pages by Common Prefix on, the result is one file labeled Chase.pdf with 13 pages. 1.2 Collate Pages Always. Collate Pages Always will group all items in folder to one name supplied by the user. (The name of the Windows directory where the images are stored will be suggested as the default name.) This means files with separate names like Arron.tif, Bob.tif, 0001a.tif, and 0001b.tif can all be collated into one ACD and PDF file called =93Samples.pdf=94. Once the user supplies the desired name (Base Name for= Output Documents:_______), Capture will process all files in the selected Input folder and append them in the order listed in the directory (which are numerically, then alphabetically listed). The resulting ACD and PDF file is placed in the chosen output directory. Additionally, files of the same name in the Output directory will be appended. For example, if Samples.pdf already exists in the Output directory and a new collection of TIF files (with Collate Pages Always selected) in the Sample directory is processed and the output is sent to the same directory, the second group of files is appended to the original Samples.pdf 1.3 Portrait and Landscape Processing Options. Portrait and Landscape orientation choices are now included in the Acrobat Capture Processing Options dialog so the user can indicate the orientation of files before Capture begins processing. Choices are: Portrait - Indicates the files to be processed are in Portrait mode. Landscape CW - Indicates the files to be processed are in Landscape mode and oriented 90=B0 to the right (clockwise). If checked, Capture will check for this orientation and rotate the page 90=B0 (back) before processing.=20 Landscape CCW- Indicates the files to be processed are in Landscape mode and oriented 90=B0 to the left (counterclockwise). If checked, Capture will= check for this orientation and rotate the page 90=B0 (forward) before processing.= =20 Inverted 180=B0 =B0 - Indicates the files are =93upside down=94 and Capture= should invert them to Portrait mode before processing. More than one orientation option can be selected at a time. If all are selected, however, Acrobat Capture will evaluate every page for it=92s orientation and slow the initial processing down. Choose the most appropriate orientation for the group of documents processed at one time. Note that scanners vary in the Portrait vs. Inverted orientation (i.e., does the scan start at the top or the bottom of the scanner and how does it store the image) and you may find your files=92 orientation is the exact opposite= of the description above. Test the above orientation with your scanner and use accordingly. 1.4 Hi-end scanner and Specialty board support. With 1.01, additional high-end scanners and drivers for two high-end boards have been added. Acrobat Capture 1.01 supplies a Kofax driver and now supports the Kofax board when used with the Fujitsu 3099A and some high-end Ricoh scanners. (Capture does not directly support the dual-sided scanning abilities of these scanners but it will support and collate images scanned in as a duplex stack.) 1.01 also supplies a Xionics driver scanner for use with some Fujitsu and Ricoh scanners. Be sure that the corresponding scanner files from the board or scanner installation (.DLLs) are present or these drivers will not work or be displayed in the scanner list once Capture is installed. Note: Users of the Ricoh-510 scanner may have scans lock in the middle of the scan process. A possible solution is to try shorter or longer SCSI cables and try with and without a terminator on the scanner. The Ricoh 520 scanner is not supported under Capture with a standard SCSI interface; it requires the use of the Kofax board. 1.5 Create error log. Rel 1.01 now creates an individual error log in the output directory for individual files. This feature allows a user running Acrobat Capture in Watch Directory mode over a network to see an error log if an error occurred with a file. (In Rel 1.0 the error message is entered into the Capture\Log directory and is not visible to the networked user.) If an error occurs, Capture will create a log file with the individual file=92s name (e.g., sample.err) and place it in the specified output directory. 1.6 Win32s forced install for Windows 3.1 users. In the final 1.01 release the Installer program will be updated so that users can selectively install (or re-install) the latest release of the Win32s files (Release 1.25) for Windows 3.1 users. If Win32S does not exist at all on the system Capture will automatically install it. 1.7 Image File Size. The allowed image file size has been extended in Acrobat Capture 1.01 to 27=94 by 27=94 (from 17=94 by 22=94) 1.8 Multiple confirmation messages. Multiple confirmation messages now appear when deleting files and subdirectories. When removing an output folder and the folder contains levels of files and subdirectories, Acrobat Capture will prompt the user at each level and confirm that the files and directories are to be deleted. Capture 1.01 will remove the contents of a folder/directory and the directory itself unless the directory the directory is at the root level (C:\Capture would not be deleted for example.) *********New Acrobat Capture Reviewer Features 1.9 Select All Frames. Select all Frames in the Select menu has been changed to select every frame on a Reviewer ACD page (text, objects and graphic lines). This allows users to select everything on the page and delete if so desired. 1.10 Select all Graphic Objects. Through the Capture Reviewer Select menu users may now select all graphic objects on a page and delete at once rather than do repeated selections and delete. 1.11 Allow =93Hidden=94 text to be entered behind graphic regions. This= feature allows users to select a graphic region and, through the right mouse button, pop up a dialog box and text field to enter =93Hidden Search Text=94 behind= the graphic. (The graphic must first be selected and displaying the blue outline.) Up to 200 characters can be entered in the field and the entered text is scrollable. The resulting text in the saved PDF file is then searchable and a small highlight displays in the graphic area when the text is found. Note - This feature works only on graphic regions, not text with low confidence areas. For example, to convert a misrecognized signature into a bitmap with searchable text (in the PDF file), first delete any extraneous text, convert the area to a graphic region, select it and then enter the appropriate text in the Hidden Search Text field. This feature can also work with PDF\Image Only files if you first process the file (using ACD as the sole output format), select the graphic area you want to add text to, and then save the page as PDF\Image Only. 1.12 Save Page As. This feature allows the user to save an individual page as another file format while working in a multipage ACD file. For example, while working in a 10 page document, the user can save page 8 out as =93PDF/Image Only=94 (a new file name must be entered when saving that individual page) and then continue working on the rest of the ACD file. When saving the final document, however, page 8 will be saved in whatever format in chosen for the rest of the file (PDF Normal, etc.). If desired, the user can then use Acrobat to replace one page 8 with the other. 1.13 Enable PDF save options from Reviewer. Save as PDF Image&Text, and Save as PDF/Image Only can now be implemented from the Reviewer. This allows a user to save files to the same PDF format options available in the base Acrobat Capture program. (Additionally you can create a PDF/Normal document in Capture then resave as PDF/Image + Text in Reviewer) 1.14 Create Backup file in Reviewer - (Auto Recovery for crashes). Capture Reviewer will now automatically reload the ACD file in process if the Reviewer crashes. Note however that if the user launches Capture after system crash and double clicks on any file in the output (i.e. Sample.acd) and the file that was being worked on is Demo.acd, the Reviewer will first recover Demo.acd. The user then needs to save and close Demo.acd to be able to open Sample.acd 1.15 Output underlines to PDF file from Reviewer. 1.16 Additional attributes for Copy/Paste function. In Rel 1.0 the only information that was transferred in the Reviewer Copy Format/Paste Format operation is font face, size, and style (bold, italic). In 1.01, underlining and word-color attributes are added. 1.18 Additional hotkeys. Ctrl-Shift B, I, and U now allow a user to easily add bold, italic and underline attributes to selected text in the Reviewer. +----------------------------------------------------------+=20 | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | =20 | EMERGE | = =20 | Knowledge In Motion | =20 |----------------------------------------------------------| =20 | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | =20 | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | =20 | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+=20 Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions =20 Acrobat Capture Service Bureau = =20 11-Jan-1996 3:37:11-GMT,2645;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA14211 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:37:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA16228; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:02:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA16170 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:57:14 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 16:43:59 PST Message-Id: <9600108213.AA821314349@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Problem with bitmapping TIFFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Andy: 1. You need to use Acrobat Distiller to make the PDF files from PostScript saved from Quark. If you use PDFWriter, only screen resolution bit maps will be transferred in the PDF file. 2. In Quark:File:Page Setup, you need to select Acrobat Distiller as the Printer type. Distiller comes with Quark "PDF" (Printer Description File) in its Xtras folder; put it into Quark's PDF folder. You can ignore the "Resolution" setting (Distiller controls image resolution), but enter the correct Page Width in the appropraite field. 3. Finally, select File:Print and check the "Disk" radio button; you also should be using LaserWriter or PSPrinter 8.2 or higher. Be sure that Include TIFF/EPS in selected or you'll just get the screen preview. Save to disk as PostScript, include all fonts, and distill the file to PDF. 4. In Distiller, make sure that the Job Options are set to 300 DPI if that's what you want and choose an appropriate Compression mode. At 300 DPI, JPEG High should suffice, but if you're worried about quality, choose another setting like JPEG Low or LZW. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Problem with bitmapping TIFFs From: Andy Healey at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/10/96 9:47 AM Thanks for the help with interactivity. Now for the next one: I'm using archived repro scans of book jackets, putting them into layouts using Quark for writing to PDF. The scans are 300dpi TIFF files and so I expected good quality viewing - instead they are all bitmapped and fail to improve on zooming. Has anyone encountered this problem and found a fix for it? Bit of an urgent one this as Sales Director departs for Aus/NZ on Friday! Andy Healey Andy@dcpublishers.co.uk David & Charles Publishers Newton Abbot, Devon, UK, TQ12 4PU Tel: 44 (0) 1626 61121 11-Jan-1996 16:58:56-GMT,1418;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA19003 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA19827; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:56:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA19796 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:52:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199601111655.MAA02603@loki.atcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:50:41 -0400 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: wordpix@atcon.com (Stu Ducklow) Subject: Bare-bones Reader software installation Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: wordpix@atcon.com (Stu Ducklow) Simple question: I would like to make PDF files of magazines I've designed and send them to clients who have basic IBM systems. I'd like to include Acrobat Reader along with the files, preferrably on a single floppy disc. Why, when the Reader on my Mac takes up only 869 k of disc space do I have to send my clients 3 or 4 mb of software for them to install before viewing my PDFs? Is there some bare-bones Reader installation I can give them? Thanks Stu Ducklow Words & Pictures Design Group, Halifax, N.S. wordipx@mail.atcon.com home page: http://www.atcon.com/wordpix/ 11-Jan-1996 17:12:17-GMT,1480;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA19181 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA19963; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:09:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA19926 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:08:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:07:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199601111707.JAA00132@ix12.ix.netcom.com> From: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) Subject: Color Change with Distiller 2.1 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) Well here's one that has us scratching our heads. We have PageMaker layouts from PM4 that we printed to PDF using Distiller 2.0. The final delivery device is laptop, so we are working in 16 color; and, making all the hyperlinked text blue in PageMaker. Using PM4 and Distiller 2.0 our blues (and other colors) looked fine (if not great) on a 16 color screen. Using PM6 and Distiller 2.1 our colors are dithered, and the blue text is just about unreadable. We spent last night recreating the PM4 colors in PM6, and we're sure they're the same, but still the distilled PDF is not working. Suggestions? Ideas? (This is a PC 486DX100 system with 16MB's of RAM.) Terry Heiney Acme Training 11-Jan-1996 17:25:27-GMT,2393;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA19327 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:25:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20126; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:22:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20096 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:21:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:21:33 -0500 X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@postoffice.brown.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) From: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) Subject: Re: Color Change with Distiller 2.1 Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) >Well here's one that has us scratching our heads. > >We have PageMaker layouts from PM4 that we printed to PDF using >Distiller 2.0. The final delivery device is laptop, so we are working >in 16 color; and, making all the hyperlinked text blue in PageMaker. > >Using PM4 and Distiller 2.0 our blues (and other colors) looked fine >(if not great) on a 16 color screen. Using PM6 and Distiller 2.1 our >colors are dithered, and the blue text is just about unreadable. > >We spent last night recreating the PM4 colors in PM6, and we're sure >they're the same, but still the distilled PDF is not working. > >Suggestions? Ideas? Here's some ideas: With PM 6.0 (or 5.0) try the 256 color script for Acrobat documents I wrote. The results should work okay for 16 color screens... My script comes with PM 6.0, or can be downloaded for 5.0 from my Web site at . While the script is designed for 256 color screens, it may work (or could be adpated for) 16 color screens. Additionally, since you're using Distiller 2.1, try using the free DIC plug-in (Mac only, I think) from Adobe's web site to support the device independent color in your PM files. Gordon _________________________________________ Gordon Kent Media & Technology Coordinator THE EDUCATION ALLIANCE @ Brown University 144 Wayland Ave, Providence RI 02906 401/274-9548 http://www.brown.edu/Research/The_Education_Alliance/ 11-Jan-1996 19:33:02-GMT,3200;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA21255 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:32:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA20542; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:27:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA20506 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:25:36 -0600 X-Sender: todd@bway.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:23:36 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Subject: Typography, geometry, and full-screen mode Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Why does the 100% magnification of a 640x480-pixel PDF render differently than the same document in "full-screen/fit-page" mode on a 640x480 display? Explanation: I'm trying to create PDFs that require no scaling or scrolling to be read comfortably on any monitor with 640x480 resolution or better. 100% of 640x480 is my "worst case scenario": I want the documents to scale up automatically to take advantage of more resolution if it's available. For these reasons I'm dead-set on designing the documents on 640x480-point (pixel) pages, and presenting them in full-screen/fit page mode. Generally I would have to rely on rather large type sizes (16-point or higher, depending on the face) to assure that the text was legible in the worst case. This makes for "pretty" but poster-like text when the document scales up. But I figure that if I use Times (or Helvetica, or another font that ships with Acrobat), then I know that I can rely on the 12-point bitmap version of this font being present, and that it will be legible at 100%. And, in fact, this works very nicely. I get the hand-tweaked 12-point Times bitmap when I view my PDF at 100%. To boot, the file size can be tiny because I don't need to embed any fonts. Here's the rub: when I view this document in full-screen/fit page mode at 640x480, ATM takes over and tries to render the text from outlines, which at that small size looks terrible. It appears that 100% of 640x480 =82 "full screen" on a 640x480 monitor. Sorry for all the redundancy; this is screwy stuff. I have an example at http://www.bway.net/~todd/bomb.pdf . Prefatory materials, which begin to explain why I can't just relax and let text happen, are at http://www.bway.net/~todd/type.html . The rest of you acrobats might feel strongly about this stuff, so consider this a plug! Apart from an explanation of why this is happening, can anybody provide a fix? Can I set up my pages in the creating app as 99.44% of 640x480 to compensate, or what? Piano tuners have it worse, I'm sure. Regards, ________________________________________ Todd Fahrner fahrner@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner The printed page transcends space and time. The printed page, the infinitude of books, must be transcended. THE ELECTRO-LIBRARY. --El Lissitzky, 1923 11-Jan-1996 21:37:09-GMT,1524;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA22880 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:36:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA20934; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:31:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA20893 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:29:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199601112124.AA02119@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:07:09 -0500 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Subject: Plugin for Closing PDFs before hyperlinking to another? To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Is there a plug-in available (for Mac, Windows, and Unix) that will close the current PDF file after the user clicks on a hyper-link that opens a second PDF file? +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON...." 11-Jan-1996 23:22:16-GMT,3751;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA24214 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:21:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21323; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:17:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA21281 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:14:17 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 17:39:32 PST Message-Id: <9600118214.AA821401653@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd), pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: Typography, geometry, and full-screen mode Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Hi, Todd: Have you downloaded the Amber viewer yet? Please notice that fonts in Amber are anti-aliased from their outlines. The critical fact of exact point size is going to be a "null op" soon.I bet that most of these problems will simply vanish in Amber. Try it out if you haven't already. For the record, the monitors I use on a day-to-day basis are 20", 19", PowerBook, and PC laptop, none of which have a 640 x 480 display! Gary _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Typography, geometry, and full-screen mode From: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/11/96 11:32 AM Why does the 100% magnification of a 640x480-pixel PDF render differently than the same document in "full-screen/fit-page" mode on a 640x480 display? Explanation: I'm trying to create PDFs that require no scaling or scrolling to be read comfortably on any monitor with 640x480 resolution or better. 100% of 640x480 is my "worst case scenario": I want the documents to scale up automatically to take advantage of more resolution if it's available. For these reasons I'm dead-set on designing the documents on 640x480-point (pixel) pages, and presenting them in full-screen/fit page mode. Generally I would have to rely on rather large type sizes (16-point or higher, depending on the face) to assure that the text was legible in the worst case. This makes for "pretty" but poster-like text when the document scales up. But I figure that if I use Times (or Helvetica, or another font that ships with Acrobat), then I know that I can rely on the 12-point bitmap version of this font being present, and that it will be legible at 100%. And, in fact, this works very nicely. I get the hand-tweaked 12-point Times bitmap when I view my PDF at 100%. To boot, the file size can be tiny because I don't need to embed any fonts. Here's the rub: when I view this document in full-screen/fit page mode at 640x480, ATM takes over and tries to render the text from outlines, which at that small size looks terrible. It appears that 100% of 640x480 =82 "full screen" on a 640x480 monitor. Sorry for all the redundancy; this is screwy stuff. I have an example at http://www.bway.net/~todd/bomb.pdf . Prefatory materials, which begin to explain why I can't just relax and let text happen, are at http://www.bway.net/~todd/type.html . The rest of you acrobats might feel strongly about this stuff, so consider this a plug! Apart from an explanation of why this is happening, can anybody provide a fix? Can I set up my pages in the creating app as 99.44% of 640x480 to compensate, or what? Piano tuners have it worse, I'm sure. Regards, ________________________________________ Todd Fahrner fahrner@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner The printed page transcends space and time. The printed page, the infinitude of books, must be transcended. THE ELECTRO-LIBRARY. --El Lissitzky, 1923 11-Jan-1996 23:47:05-GMT,2257;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA24442 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:46:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21584; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:39:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA21550 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:38:32 -0600 X-Sender: todd@bway.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:36:23 -0500 To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com, pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Subject: Re: Typography, geometry, and full-screen mode Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) At 8:39 PM 11.1.96, gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: >Hi, Todd: > >Have you downloaded the Amber viewer yet? Nope. I'm stuck with one of these second-rate graphics/publishing toys from Apple. (I know, I know, it's Netscape, etc.) >Please notice that fonts in Amber are >anti-aliased from their outlines. The critical fact of exact point size is >going >to be a "null op" soon.I bet that most of these problems will simply vanish in >Amber. Try it out if you haven't already. Can hardly wait to try. So you're confirming that anti-aliasing will be implemented on the Mac version? Also, can you confirm whether or not Amber will sooner or later support full-screen view, or will online PDFs henceforth always appear within a resizable browser window? Sounds like a lot of computation to anti-alias an image every time the window size changes! What's that burning smell? >For the record, the monitors I use on a day-to-day basis are 20", 19", >PowerBook, and PC laptop, none of which have a 640 x 480 display! Ever onward and upward to virtual paper, yes! But with few exceptions (like some PowerBooks), displays are in a 3:4 ratio, with 640x480 being the lowest resolution in wide use: a mass-market worst case.... Regards, ______________________________________________________________ Todd Fahrner fahrner@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner 11-Jan-1996 23:49:22-GMT,2073;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA24474 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:49:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21799; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:45:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA21748 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:44:39 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 18:18:20 PST Message-Id: <9600118214.AA821403488@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: wordpix@atcon.com (Stu Ducklow), PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Bare-bones Reader software installation Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Stu: You can make a 2-disk floppy install set but not a one disk install. Reader also installs a Help file and the basic font resources in the Acrobat Reader's directory. While the Reader only takes 869 k, the fonts and the private ATM take up enough more to require the second disk. The third disk contains only the QuickTime movie component. The separate disk install can be found on the Adoibe Acrobat 2.1 CD Sampler (Adobe Part# 0397-0959). Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Bare-bones Reader software installation From: wordpix@atcon.com (Stu Ducklow) at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/11/96 9:29 AM Simple question: I would like to make PDF files of magazines I've designed and send them to clients who have basic IBM systems. I'd like to include Acrobat Reader along with the files, preferrably on a single floppy disc. Why, when the Reader on my Mac takes up only 869 k of disc space do I have to send my clients 3 or 4 mb of software for them to install before viewing my PDFs? Is there some bare-bones Reader installation I can give them? Thanks Stu Ducklow Words & Pictures Design Group, Halifax, N.S. wordipx@mail.atcon.com home page: http://www.atcon.com/wordpix/ 12-Jan-1996 5:58:14-GMT,1555;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA27291 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:58:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA23592; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:52:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA23442 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:47:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199601120546.OAA17634@katanuki1.bekkoame.or.jp> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:50:20 +0900 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: don-uia@ppp.bekkoame.or.jp (Tsutomu Inoue) Subject: HP Scanjet 4C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.5-J13) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: don-uia@ppp.bekkoame.or.jp (Tsutomu Inoue) We use the HP Scanjet 4C with Acrobat Capture. When it scans at 400 dpi, some blanks take place -- resulting in incompletely scanned document. It seems to me that the ISIS driver provided with Acrobat Capture 1.0 is causing this problem. Could you let me know if there is an ISIS driver that's compatible with the HP Scanjet 4C and how I can get it in Japan? Thank you very much for your attention. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tsutomu Inoue Intermedia Div. Universal Interad Co., Ltd. Bunkyo Center Bldg. 4-37-13 Hongo, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113 JAPAN Phone: +81-3-3815-0650 Fax: +81-3-3815-2273 E-mail: don-uia@ppp.bekkoame.or.jp 12-Jan-1996 5:58:15-GMT,1553;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA27294 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:58:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA23588; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:52:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA23474 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:49:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199601120548.OAA17692@katanuki1.bekkoame.or.jp> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:52:43 +0900 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: don-uia@ppp.bekkoame.or.jp (Tsutomu Inoue) Subject: Capture G&F Avalability? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.5-J13) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: don-uia@ppp.bekkoame.or.jp (Tsutomu Inoue) I'm looking for versions of Acrobat Capture that have OCR functions for German and French. Could you let me know if such versions are available and how I can get them in Japan. If no such thing has been put on the market yet, I would like to know if you have any plans to introduce German and French (and other language) versions in near future. Thank you very much for your attention. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tsutomu Inoue Intermedia Div. Universal Interad Co., Ltd. Bunkyo Center Bldg. 4-37-13 Hongo, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113 JAPAN Phone: +81-3-3815-0650 Fax: +81-3-3815-2273 E-mail: don-uia@ppp.bekkoame.or.jp 12-Jan-1996 9:13:56-GMT,2205;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA29026 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 02:13:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA25158; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:11:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA25098 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:09:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199601120903.AA176647415@kiruna.grenoble.hp.com> To: acrobat@blueworld.com Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, popowicz@kiruna.grenoble.hp.com, don-uia@ppp.bekkoame.or.jp Subject: Re: Capture G&F Avalability? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Jan 96 14:52:43 +0900." <199601120548.OAA17692@katanuki1.bekkoame.or.jp> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 10:03:35 +0100 From: Alison Popowicz-Toon Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Alison Popowicz-Toon I'd like the same information as Tsutomu-san... and also to know about the availabilty/effectiveness of Search/Search for CD for ALL languages other than English. (I'm looking for a solution for publishing Japanese documentation on CD-ROM - and I'll also need the same capability for French, Italian, German, Spanish, Portuguese... Russian? Polish? Chinese? Korean? Never mind 16-bit support, what about 32-bit???????) (Oh and I forgot to mention - of course, I want Search for HP-UX, too...) Any comments, suggestions, solutions, ideas, proposals, please pass them on. Alison Hewlett-Packard France ========================================================================= In message <199601120548.OAA17692@katanuki1.bekkoame.or.jp> you write: | I'm looking for versions of Acrobat Capture that have OCR functions for | German and French. Could you let me know if such versions are available and | how I can get them in Japan. If no such thing has been put on the market | yet, I would like to know if you have any plans to introduce German and | French (and other language) versions in near future. | | Thank you very much for your attention. | 12-Jan-1996 9:48:58-GMT,2059;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA29163 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 02:48:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA25426; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:45:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA25350 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:43:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199601120901.AA06387@maes.esrin.esa.it> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Phillips" Organization: Logica To: PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:56:38 +1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: "Stamping" on PDF documents Reply-To: john.phillips@esrin.esa.it Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "John Phillips" We are about to start using PDF to distribute official documents. There is however, a feature of the current system that needs to be maintained. At present, the data entry tool automatically generates a unique print-id and a status message, which it 'stamps' on the electronic version of the document document. These appear at the top and bottom of the first page and from that point are part of the document. Does anyone know of any tools/plug-ins/techniques that could be used to do this? We've looked at a few, but nothing so far fits the bill perfectly, never mind being suitable for automation. (So far we have examined Remark, TranZform and editing the PostScript file prior to distilling) Thanks for any help. ___________________________________________________________________ John Phillips - Logica UK email john.phillips@esrin.esa.it tel +39 6 941 80417 (direct line) fax +39 6 941 80412 (H/DPE/I fax) DPE/I, ESA-ESRIN, Via Galileo Galilei, CP 64, 00044 Frascati, Italy 12-Jan-1996 14:23:26-GMT,3533;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA00499 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:23:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA26413; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:19:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA26380 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:18:38 -0600 Message-Id: <01BAE0F8.A3047700@gw4-156.pool.dircon.co.uk> From: Jim Cook To: "'PDF-L@emrg.com'" Subject: document stamping Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:27:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jim Cook John: I have just received your message from the PDF-L list regarding stamping = messages onto PDF documents. We have a plug-in available which I hope will be of interest called = Banner Print. Banner Print is used to add a banner, or watermark, to each document and = then to ensure that the PDF document cannot be printed without this = banner, unless the user has a special "controller" version of the = program. The banners may be selected from a standard set, such as = DRAFT, or UNCONTROLLED COPY, or they may be free text up to 3 lines. In = addition the banner specification, held in the PDF file, may call for a = print date and time, and add a "Page m of n" field. Once the banner details are added to the PDF it is then print-disabled = and security locked to ensure it cannot be printed without the banner = text. These requirements stem from our clients use of the product in = document management systems. This is available now, and you can download an evaluation version from = our web site (see below), where you can find details on our other = plug-ins and on our document management software. If you can't access = web pages, please let me know and I'll either email an attachment or = send a disk. I hope you will find this information useful, please don't hesitate to = email/call/etc if you require further information. Regards Jim Cook JA Cook, Technical Director Computerised Document Control Ltd Specialists in document systems from strategy to rollout. Direct Tel: (+44) 1249 460953 Direct Fax: (+44) 1249 460078 WWW: http://www.docctrl.co.uk/docctrl > We are about to start using PDF to distribute official documents. > There is however, a feature of the current system that needs to > be maintained. >=20 > At present, the data entry tool automatically generates a unique > print-id and a status message, which it 'stamps' on the electronic > version of the document document. These appear at the top and bottom > of the first page and from that point are part of the document. >=20 > Does anyone know of any tools/plug-ins/techniques that could be used > to do this? >=20 > We've looked at a few, but nothing so far fits the bill perfectly, > never mind being suitable for automation. >=20 > (So far we have examined Remark, TranZform and editing the > PostScript file prior to distilling) >=20 > Thanks for any help. >=20 > ___________________________________________________________________ > John Phillips - Logica UK email john.phillips@esrin.esa.it > tel +39 6 941 80417 (direct line) fax +39 6 941 80412 (H/DPE/I fax) > DPE/I, ESA-ESRIN, Via Galileo Galilei, CP 64, 00044 Frascati, Italy >=20 12-Jan-1996 15:00:58-GMT,2427;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA00717 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:00:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA26610; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:57:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA26578 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:56:32 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:06:26 EST Subject: (Fwd) Adobe spins off prepress software business Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <6BE2EB40641@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Adobe spins off prepress software business ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Copyright c1996 Nando.net Copyright c1996 Reuter Information Service MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (Jan 12, 1996 00:34 a.m. EST) - Adobe Systems Inc. said Thursday it had spun off its prepress software business, which caters to professionals who prepare artwork for printing, to a new company. The deal enables Adobe to focus on less specialized software that enables non-professional users to create, display, print and communicate electronic documents, it said. Financial terms were not disclosed. The new company, Luminous Corp., has acquired or licensed, and will continue to develop, market and distribute, Adobe's prepress software. "Luminous can focus on developing the distinctly different distribution channels required for the specific needs of customers in the prepress industry," said Fred Schwedner, vice president of Adobe's printing and systems division. Mountain View, Calif.-based Adobe has an equity stake in Seattle-based Luminous, which is privately held, and maintains ownership of certain core technologies for Adobe's prepress products. Adobe's stock was unchanged at $38.50 on Nasdaq at mid-afternoon. ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 12-Jan-1996 15:37:10-GMT,2019;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA01066 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:36:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26984; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:33:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA26952 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:32:04 -0600 From: thogan@cris.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:31:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601121531.KAA06210@franklin-fddi.cris.com> X-Authentication-Warning: franklin-fddi.cris.com: Host crc10-fddi.cris.com [199.3.12.190] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: thogan@mail.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Capture 1.01 <--> 1.0 Compatability Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thogan@cris.com Does anyone have any experience converting from Capture 1.0 to 1.01? I just got my copy of Capture 1.01 (couldn't wait for the Upgrade, so got the retail version)and started evaluating in order to plan our migration to Win95. It appears there is both forward and backward incompatability that will complicate this task: 1) Reviewer 1.01 can open files that were processed in Capture 1.0 but then these files cannot be opened in Reviewer 1.0. 2) Reviewer 1.01 CANNOT open files which have been previously opened in Reviewer 1.0. 3) Reviewer 1.0 CANNOT open files that were processed in Capture 1.01. These observations were made after only a few hours with 1.01 and I wonder what else I should know before starting to install Win95 and Capture 1.01 on our production workstations? I found no documentation relating to this, but it is the retail version--not the upgrade. Thanks for any help. Terry Hogan Terry Hogan Product Development Coordinator Career Guidance Foundation 12-Jan-1996 17:07:20-GMT,4477;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA02030 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA27456; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:01:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA27417 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:00:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:08:27 -0600 Message-Id: <199601121708.LAA31850@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: Re: Capture 1.01 <--> 1.0 Compatability Cc: thogan@cris.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) >Does anyone have any experience converting from Capture 1.0 to 1.01? Yes....and my experiences parallel those you outline below exactly >I just got my copy of Capture 1.01 (couldn't wait for the Upgrade, so got >the retail version)and started evaluating in order to plan our migration to >Win95. As an aside.....I would _HIGHLY_ recommend migration to WIN95 on those machines running Capture 1.01. I am running more than a dozen Pentiums for Capture processing and find that those running WIN95 are both faster and considerably more trouble free. Its the only way to run if you are serious about Capture. >It appears there is both forward and backward incompatability that will >complicate this task: > > 1) Reviewer 1.01 can open files that were processed in Capture 1.0 >but then these files cannot be opened in Reviewer 1.0. > > 2) Reviewer 1.01 CANNOT open files which have been previously >opened in Reviewer 1.0. > > 3) Reviewer 1.0 CANNOT open files that were processed in Capture 1.01. As mentioned earlier....these have been pretty much my observations also. I strongly suspect that Adobe did not consider the possibility of users running a mixed enviornment of both Capture 1.0 and Capture 1.01......and in reality I do not know of any good reason to do so (other then to possibly excercise some caution before you dive in with the new rev). My own recommendation is to switch to rev 1.01 and eliminate all installs of the previous 1.0 version. When you open any old ACDs with Reviewer 1.01 they will be converted to the new file spec and you can continue with life from there. I have to admit that my heart was in my mouth the first time Reviewer 1.01 attempted one of these ACD file updates....but have to say that I have done this repeatedly with many large documents and have not experienced any problems. >These observations were made after only a few hours with 1.01 and I wonder >what else I should know before starting to install Win95 and Capture 1.01 on >our production workstations? I have not found any other problems....and really don't consider the above to be a major problem either. Bottom line....Stop using 1.0 and start using 1.01 exclusively (though I am not unsympathetic to your cautious approach >I found no documentation relating to this, but it is the retail version--not >the upgrade. A most excellent point. This _should_ definately be an item included in the README_G.PDF file and I will forward this posting to Adobe per chance the Capture engineering team does not pick up on this. And BTW....._DO_ read the above mentioned file......it is the _only_ place where the new features of rev 1.01 are documented and the _only_ place where WIN95 install info is located +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 12-Jan-1996 20:01:22-GMT,1474;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA04232 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:01:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA28120; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:57:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA28072 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:55:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:58:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199601121958.UAA01507@alpes.alpes-net.fr> Subject: X-Press/Distiller problem From: julien beauviala To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: julien beauviala I'm trying to get an X-Press file into PDF format. I printed to disk a .ps file (page set up: PDF type Acrobat Distiller SWOP- Coated, 75%, use eficolor)and distilled it. It's fine but somehow i'm getting really bad color on fonts and graphic elements (i'm using only one Pantone #279!). They become an almost primary cyan. Now, when i use the PDF-Writer I dont have that problem but the compression is not what I wanted. I have EFI color processor installed and i wonder if it has a roll in this. Is there something that i'm not doing? Does this effect ring a bell to someone's experience? Julien Beauviala Aaton France 12-Jan-1996 20:45:41-GMT,2230;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA04936 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:45:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28396; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:41:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA28366 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:40:49 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:38:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199601122038.PAA28463@tequesta.gate.net> X-Sender: chrisl@pop.gate.net (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Subject: Re: Color Change with Distiller 2.1 X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Terry Heiney wrote: > >Using PM4 and Distiller 2.0 our blues (and other colors) looked fine >(if not great) on a 16 color screen. Using PM6 and Distiller 2.1 our >colors are dithered, and the blue text is just about unreadable. > >We spent last night recreating the PM4 colors in PM6, and we're sure >they're the same, but still the distilled PDF is not working. > If Gordon's comments don't pan out you might try playing with the Distillers example.ps file. The example.ps file is a nifty little file that gets run whenever you start the Distiller and can be used to customize the Distiller by initializing defaults and adding your own stuff to every file that is processed. For example, we use example.ps to put our company name into the Document Info of every pdf we create, or in some cases to make all documents open in full screen mode... got ya thinkin now eh... but I digress. Example.ps also has some lines which handle CMYK to RGB which you might try uncommenting. You'll find example.ps in \acrodist\startup (and I'd save off a copy of the original before you fool with it). Good luck. Chris Lane Computer Multimedia Productions P.S. By the way, if you want the snippet of code that allows you to stick your company name into distilled PDF's, send me an e-mail and I'll put it up for you. 13-Jan-1996 7:51:23-GMT,1500;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA09858 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:51:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA32180; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:35:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA32113 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:31:27 -0600 Message-Id: <30F76023.695C@deltanet.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:32:51 -0800 From: "David P. Dugan" Reply-To: bezonian@deltanet.com Organization: Bezonian Design Works X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Cc: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com, pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: Typography, geometry, and full-screen mode References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "David P. Dugan" FYI, Adobe told me at MacWorld that the Amber beta for Mac will be available on Adobe's website next week. Seen any Amber pages yet from the folks using Windoze? Well, you're about to see a whole lot of them now. Again, I'll say it. In 18 months, nobody will produce web content using HTML...PDF is taking over. David P. Dugan Bezonian Design Works bezonian@deltanet.com 13-Jan-1996 16:24:08-GMT,1834;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA11356 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 09:24:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01581; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:08:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA01545 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:06:53 -0600 X-Sender: todd@bway.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:04:59 -0500 To: bezonian@deltanet.com From: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Subject: Re: Typography, geometry, and full-screen mode Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Yes, Amber will make the problem I described irrelevant. For the curious, I've discovered the source of the trouble, and it's Macintosh-specific: desktop Mac displays have rounded corners. When in "fit-page" mode, Acrobat renders the rectangular page into this non-rectangular shape; in order to let you see the sharp corners of the page, Acrobat must render the page at slightly lower than the nominal screen resolution. There's no remedy. At 2:32 AM 13.1.96, David P. Dugan wrote: >FYI, Adobe told me at MacWorld that the Amber beta for Mac will be >available on Adobe's website next week. Seen any Amber pages yet >from the folks using Windoze? Well, you're about to see a whole lot >of them now. > >Again, I'll say it. In 18 months, nobody will produce web content >using HTML...PDF is taking over. ______________________________________________________________ Todd Fahrner fahrner@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner 13-Jan-1996 21:23:35-GMT,1545;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA12822 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:23:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA02657; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:07:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA02620 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:06:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199601132103.QAA20149@mail-hub.interpath.net> X-Sender: veracity@mail.interpath.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:09:23 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Paul Vess Subject: Re: Dividend Reinvestment Plans (DRP's) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Paul Vess Greetings to all, Could anyone offer an comments about DRP's and where information on companies which offer theis option, can be found? I understand that over 900 companies offer this option, and since a commission is reportedly not charged to purchase this stock, who administers these DRP's, theior advantages, disadvantages, etc. Anyone care to comment? Thanks and I wish you all a prosperous '96, Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- "I think there is a world market for about five computers." -- Thomas J. Watson, IBM Chairman, 1943 13-Jan-1996 23:10:09-GMT,1623;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA13383 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03075; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:54:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA03040 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:53:36 -0600 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 96 22:52 GMT From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Stamping PDF docs To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) In-Reply-To: <199601130550.XAA31100@grandcanyon.binc.net> > Subject: "Stamping" on PDF documents > > We are about to start using PDF to distribute official documents. > There is however, a feature of the current system that needs to > be maintained. > > At present, the data entry tool automatically generates a unique > print-id and a status message, which it 'stamps' on the electronic > version of the document document. These appear at the top and bottom > of the first page and from that point are part of the document. > > Does anyone know of any tools/plug-ins/techniques that could be used > to do this? The most recent Windows 3.x PostScript driver (3.0, I think), has a watermark facility built in. So if you use this driver, set a watermark, and then distill the output, you should get what you want. R. 14-Jan-1996 1:13:33-GMT,3760;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA13883 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 18:13:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03727; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 18:58:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA03697 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 18:57:30 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199601140056.TAA15450@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Stamping PDF docs To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:56:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu In-Reply-To: from "Robert Schifreen" at Jan 13, 96 10:52:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > > Subject: "Stamping" on PDF documents > > > > We are about to start using PDF to distribute official documents. > > There is however, a feature of the current system that needs to > > be maintained. > > > > At present, the data entry tool automatically generates a unique > > print-id and a status message, which it 'stamps' on the electronic > > version of the document document. These appear at the top and bottom > > of the first page and from that point are part of the document. > > > > Does anyone know of any tools/plug-ins/techniques that could be used > > to do this? > > The most recent Windows 3.x PostScript driver (3.0, I think), has a > watermark facility built in. So if you use this driver, set a watermark, > and then distill the output, you should get what you want. I'll add a small clarification to Robert's response and propose an alternate solution you may also want to try. This watermark feature can be found in the recent version of *Adobe's* Windows PostScript driver (AdobePS) version 3.0 and higher, but I don't think there's anything similar in the standard *Microsoft* PostScript driver that comes with Windows. The "watermark" feature in Adobe's driver is fairly flexible -- you can add your text, select a font, size it, rotate it, etc. On the other hand, if you need more than one line of text or text at the top and bottom of the page as you describe, this might not do the job. You might want to think about writing some PostScript code to add to the PostScript file before distilling. This would allow you to add any type of information anywhere on the page. And -- unless your PostScript file is very poorly behaved -- you could probably do this fairly automatically by concatenating a small snippit of code to the beginning of the PostScript file (rather than having to edit the original PostScript file with a text editor -- which is good to avoid whenever possible). All you'd need to do is have your PostScript code place the information on the first page and redefine the PostScript "showpage" operator to print the page and then place your information on the next page. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14-Jan-1996 6:29:42-GMT,3606;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA15074 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:29:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA05557; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:13:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA05066 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:11:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:45:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199601140445.XAA25870@tequesta.gate.net> X-Sender: chrisl@pop.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Subject: example.ps goodies X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) All Here is the postscript code I mentioned in an earlier post which can be added to the example.ps file in the \acrodist\startup directory to: a) Put your own information into the Creator and Producer fields which are part of the Document Info (you'll notice that we use the Producer Field to put our company name into, which is probably not what Adobe intended for it, but what the hay... we've got to have some fun) b) Make all documents you distill open in Full Screen mode (other options are /UseNone - open document with neither outline nor thumbnails visible, /UseOutlines - open document with outlines visible, or /UseThumbs - open document with thumbnails visible) As mentioned earlier, the example.ps file provides a way to customize Distiller by performing the commands you add into example.ps on each file you distill (actually I believe any .ps file in the \acrodist\startup subdirectory will be run, but I haven't tested this out). The trick is knowing enough postscript (and PDF 'postscript' extensions) to get your point across to the Distiller. The following documents are sources for this information listed in order of importance. * pdfmark Reference for Acrobat Distiller - a .PDF file distributed with the Distiller in the \acrodist\help area. * Portable Document Format Reference Manual - by Adobe available from Addison-Wesley Publishing Company * Updates to the Portable Document Format reference Manual - Adobe Developer Support Technical Note #5156 * Postscript Language Reference Manual - by Adobe available from Addison-Wesley Publishing Company If really getting down to it is just too geeky for you, the example.ps file also contains a lot of commented out examples which you can just un-comment and use. The additions to example.ps below can be added pretty much anywhere but I put em at the bottom before the comment %%EOF (shown in the example as the last line). % /Courier findfont pop %%%% USING PDFMARK TO AFFECT ALL PS FILES %%%% Specify the Creator for all files and make all files open in full screen mode /showpage { [/Creator (IEEE Computer Society Press) /Producer (Computer Multimedia Productions Corporation) /DOCINFO pdfmark [/PageMode /FullScreen /DOCVIEW pdfmark showpage } bind def %%EOF Chris Lane Computer Multimedia Productions Corp. By the way, most of this information was provided at some point or another by Rob Babcock and other fine folks at Adobe, all of whom should, in some life, be given a round of applause for trying hard to put out the best damn product they possibly could. Also, by the way, don't forget to make a back up copy of your original example.ps to fall back to WHEN you screw something up. 15-Jan-1996 10:34:35-GMT,2271;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA23090 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 03:34:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA10974; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:19:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA10906 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:12:46 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 10:11 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-14-96 [V1 #135] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199601150550.XAA09320@grandcanyon.binc.net> > > Subject: "Stamping" on PDF documents > > > > We are about to start using PDF to distribute official documents. > > There is however, a feature of the current system that needs to > > be maintained. > > > > At present, the data entry tool automatically generates a unique > > print-id and a status message, which it 'stamps' on the electronic > > version of the document document. These appear at the top and bottom > > of the first page and from that point are part of the document. > > > > Does anyone know of any tools/plug-ins/techniques that could be used > > to do this? The Plug-In Shop has developed a plug-in called Banner Print which will automatically control the printable output from PDF documents. Simply put, the Document Controller module embeds the banner message in the document (which cannot be changed by the user!), and when the selected PDF file is printed, the banner appears across the page, with page integrity, date etc, or whatever also included. This does mean that documents can be securitized well after the conversion process has taken place. I believe that Emerge has a demo copy of Banner Print on their Web site, but if you have difficulty, mail me and I'll send you a copy. Peter Mathews Computerstream Ltd (UK) The Plug-In Shop Manchester UK Tel:44 161 445 4676 Fax:44 161 283 7436 compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk 15-Jan-1996 10:56:33-GMT,4903;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA23135 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 03:56:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA11164; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:41:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA11130 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:40:18 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:40:01 -0800 X-Sender: elf1@sirius.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: elf1@sirius.com (Franz Baumhackl) Subject: Re: Encyclopedia to CD ROM (EPILOGUE) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: elf1@sirius.com (Franz Baumhackl) Thanks to you all: Glenn from Emerge, Gernot, Jennifer, Christopher, Todd, Deidre, Jim, Robert, and Gary from Adobe: If it wasn't for you this would be a post-mortem, not an epilogue. I truly appreciate the advice I got, I was rather desperate. And the downed ppp connection to my UC net access, and the ensuing sense of isolation contributed to the rise of my anxiety level. Thank you Glenn and Gernot, for calling me on the phone! The FrameMaker files arrived a day late from the designers, leaving me only 36 hours to complete the project. And it turned out to be a 1,260 page book with 350 Illustrator eps. The delay gave me the time to cram the Frame manual some more. Here's what happened: It was too late to get Acrobat Catalog and Search CD. This ridiculous 'find function' in Acrobat seemed adequate to the publisher, the Wednesday 5:30 deadline was more important. The marketing department had advertized a CD for this encyclopedia months ago, and there was going to be a CD ind this book, even if it was blank. The revision will be fully searchable. I heeded your advice and did my work up-front in Frame, because the last-minute objective was to create a well organized set of bookmarks of main entries and 3 levels of sub-heads. I created a style for a new level of invisible section divider heads (white color, 1pt. type) into 33 Frame4 docs, to reorganize the book without text reflowing. Saved them as Frame5. 1/3 of the images didn't show up in the converted docs: Since I couldn't find a path description to the missing eps files due to my ignorance of Frame (is there one to be found at all?), and because opening one Illustrator eps and resaving it seemed to do the trick, I opened and resaved all 350 eps files. I believe it was a matter of missing fonts in those Illustrator files, which I substituted with generic Adobe MM fonts. At 2 a.m. I clung to the words of a printout of Jennifer Hall's e-mail, and double-checked what I had done so far. At 3 a.m. I printed to postscript, and got a 48 MB ps file 20 minutes later. After checking my previous test files for various distiller options, and allocating all the spare RAM to Distiller (30MB), I hit 'distill' and left my Powerbook alone to get some sleep. Turned off its display and pointed the fan at it. Found a 12.8 MB pdf file on the desktop 4 1/2 hours later, opened in Exchange: IT WAS ALL THERE with perfectly nested bookmarks. Well, not perfect, but very good. Took me an hour to correct my nocturnal spelling mistakes, to edit some bookmarks, and to remove some blank pages. After calling Gernot (from this list or comp.text.pdf?) I felt enough confidence to distill the color-cover, rearrange the pdf doc, and deliver 1/2 day earlier to the publisher. I had time to link all the "see also's", but the publisher loved what he saw, and I passed the file on to their tech dpt. Besides the above process there are some things I learned: Frame's Tech Support was good. Their primary purpose was not to get me off the phone as soon as possible. They hung in and went into details. The manual is another matter though (polite words fail me now). As a book designer I prefer Quark for many reasons. Thankgod this book was done in Frame. At MacWorld in San Francisco a few days ago a Quark guy told me that Datastream and some other QXtension developer in the Netherlands are working on Quark-to-pdf filters with possible but not promised results ca 6 months from now. I needed it last week, and it worked in Frame. Period. Anyway, the publisher got what he wanted, and some. And I've got my foot in the door for more projects, and Acrobat Catalog/Search CD are on order. And now I gotta write a bill and don't know what the market bears. And I really ought to share the profits with y'all... Hmm, then again, I really ought to get rid of this Powerbook and buy myself a respectable desktop computer again. (Anybody in the market for a Mac PB 540c -68040 processor, 36MB RAM, 800 MB drive?) Thanks once more! Regards, Franz 15-Jan-1996 10:59:30-GMT,4855;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA23146 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 03:59:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA11316; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:44:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA11274 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:43:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:42:59 -0800 X-Sender: elf1@sirius.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: elf1@sirius.com (Franz Baumhackl) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: elf1@sirius.com (Franz Baumhackl) Thanks to you all: Glenn from Emerge, Gernot, Jennifer, Christopher, Todd, Deidre, Jim, Robert, and Gary from Adobe: If it wasn't for you this would be a post-mortem, not an epilogue. I truly appreciate the advice I got, I was rather desperate. And the downed ppp connection to my UC net access, and the ensuing sense of isolation contributed to the rise of my anxiety level. Thank you Glenn and Gernot, for calling me on the phone! The FrameMaker files arrived a day late from the designers, leaving me only 36 hours to complete the project. And it turned out to be a 1,260 page book with 350 Illustrator eps. The delay gave me the time to cram the Frame manual some more. Here's what happened: It was too late to get Acrobat Catalog and Search CD. This ridiculous 'find function' in Acrobat seemed adequate to the publisher, the Wednesday 5:30 deadline was more important. The marketing department had advertized a CD for this encyclopedia months ago, and there was going to be a CD ind this book, even if it was blank. The revision will be fully searchable. I heeded your advice and did my work up-front in Frame, because the last-minute objective was to create a well organized set of bookmarks of main entries and 3 levels of sub-heads. I created a style for a new level of invisible section divider heads (white color, 1pt. type) into 33 Frame4 docs, to reorganize the book without text reflowing. Saved them as Frame5. 1/3 of the images didn't show up in the converted docs: Since I couldn't find a path description to the missing eps files due to my ignorance of Frame (is there one to be found at all?), and because opening one Illustrator eps and resaving it seemed to do the trick, I opened and resaved all 350 eps files. I believe it was a matter of missing fonts in those Illustrator files, which I substituted with generic Adobe MM fonts. At 2 a.m. I clung to the words of a printout of Jennifer Hall's e-mail, and double-checked what I had done so far. At 3 a.m. I printed to postscript, and got a 48 MB ps file 20 minutes later. After checking my previous test files for various distiller options, and allocating all the spare RAM to Distiller (30MB), I hit 'distill' and left my Powerbook alone to get some sleep. Turned off its display and pointed the fan at it. Found a 12.8 MB pdf file on the desktop 4 1/2 hours later, opened in Exchange: IT WAS ALL THERE with perfectly nested bookmarks. Well, not perfect, but very good. Took me an hour to correct my nocturnal spelling mistakes, to edit some bookmarks, and to remove some blank pages. After calling Gernot (from this list or comp.text.pdf?) I felt enough confidence to distill the color-cover, rearrange the pdf doc, and deliver 1/2 day earlier to the publisher. I had time to link all the "see also's", but the publisher loved what he saw, and I passed the file on to their tech dpt. Besides the above process there are some things I learned: Frame's Tech Support was good. Their primary purpose was not to get me off the phone as soon as possible. They hung in and went into details. The manual is another matter though (polite words fail me now). As a book designer I prefer Quark for many reasons. Thankgod this book was done in Frame. At MacWorld in San Francisco a few days ago a Quark guy told me that Datastream and some other QXtension developer in the Netherlands are working on Quark-to-pdf filters with possible but not promised results ca 6 months from now. I needed it last week, and it worked in Frame. Period. Anyway, the publisher got what he wanted, and some. And I've got my foot in the door for more projects, and Acrobat Catalog/Search CD are on order. And now I gotta write a bill and don't know what the market bears. And I really ought to share the profits with y'all... Hmm, then again, I really ought to get rid of this Powerbook and buy myself a respectable desktop computer again. (Anybody in the market for a Mac PB 540c -68040 processor, 36MB RAM, 800 MB drive?) Thanks once more! Regards, Franz 15-Jan-1996 17:47:50-GMT,1960;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA25337 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:47:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA12777; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:32:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA12746 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:31:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:30:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199601151730.LAA09898@glacier.binc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: jcook@emrg.com (John A. Cook) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-14-96 [V1 #135] Cc: jcook@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jcook@emrg.com (John A. Cook) As Mr. Mathews so graciously indicates in his recent post, EMERGE does indeed have a "demo" copy of the Banner Print plug-in available for downloading. Point your browser to the following address and... ENJOY!! http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html John Cook, EMERGE. ******************************* > >The Plug-In Shop has developed a plug-in called Banner Print which will >automatically control the printable output from PDF documents. >Simply put, the Document Controller module embeds the banner message in >the document (which cannot be changed by the user!), and when the >selected PDF file is printed, the banner appears across the page, with >page integrity, date etc, or whatever also included. This does mean that >documents can be securitized well after the conversion process has taken >place. >I believe that Emerge has a demo copy of Banner Print on their Web site, >but if you have difficulty, mail me and I'll send you a copy. > >Peter Mathews >Computerstream Ltd (UK) >The Plug-In Shop >Manchester UK >Tel:44 161 445 4676 >Fax:44 161 283 7436 >compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk > > 15-Jan-1996 21:32:16-GMT,3415;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA27189 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:32:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13696; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:42:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA13637 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:40:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:49:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199601152049.OAA25014@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: COMPOSE 2.0 Plug-In Available Soon Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) A new release of the COMPOSE plug-in (for Acrobat Exchange) from Software Partners Inc. will be released February 9. COMPOSE 2.0 will carry the same retail price ($795) as the 1.0 product though several new and substantial features have been added. Features of the new Compose 2.0 release are listed below. An evaluation copy of the original Compose 1.0 plug-in is available for free download from the EMERGE web site or the Software Partners web site Those wanting to purchase this product immediately will receive the 1.0 version and will receive a free upgrade to the new 2.0 version when it ships. Compose can streamline many tedious document production/mark-up tasks saving time and money. Note....there are currently no plans for a Mac version of this plug-in *******************FEATURES OF COMPOSE 2.0**************************** 1. BOOKMARKS BY EXAMPLE - automatically creates bookmarks from chapter and section headings 2. PAGE LINKER - automatically links table of contents and index pages 3. COPY LINK - copies hypertext links throughout a document 4. BATCH MEISTER - sets file security options and file open defaults in batch 5. AUDITOR - checks for broken links and bookmarks and helps you make a fix on the spot 6. CHAIN LINKER - automatically links together all instances of a word or text string 7. DOCUMENT COMPOSER - assembles and repaginates composite documents 8. TABLE OF CONTENTS BUILDER - link hundreds of individual PDF documents to one title page 9. INFO FILL - populates the General Information Fields in a group of PDF documents. 10. PDF LAUNCHER - launches documents by title or author instead of DOS file name. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 15-Jan-1996 22:44:33-GMT,1035;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA27707 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:44:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14322; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:31:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA14276 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:29:17 -0600 From: PeterC7194@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:28:17 -0500 Message-ID: <960115172813_117387659@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Print Error Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: PeterC7194@aol.com I have distributed a disc with Acrobat files to our customers. One of them called with the following story: When printing from a PC to an Oki-Data Microline 320 dot matrix printer, he receives the error message "Print quality not sufficient." Anybody have any idea what could be going on? Much thanks, P. 16-Jan-1996 5:27:53-GMT,2322;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA29953 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:27:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA17188; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:25:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA17052 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:22:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:31:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199601160531.XAA28688@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: Re: Print Error Cc: PeterC7194@AOL.COM Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) >I have distributed a disc with Acrobat files to our customers. One of them >called with the following story: > >When printing from a PC to an Oki-Data Microline 320 dot matrix printer, he >receives the error message "Print quality not sufficient." > >Anybody have any idea what could be going on? I believe this is an old 9-pin printer.....and printing to 9-pin dot-matrix printers is not supported. The issue does not come up often...but there are still lots of these old work-horses out there. Most 24 pin dot printers are supported providing they are not the non-square pixel variety (unequal resolutions). GLG +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 16-Jan-1996 7:04:20-GMT,3386;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA01316 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 00:04:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA18575; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:01:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA18525 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:00:27 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:00:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199601160700.BAA26544@glacier.binc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: jcook@emrg.com (John A. Cook) Subject: COMPOSE 2.0 Plug-In Available Soon Cc: jcook@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jcook@emrg.com (John A. Cook) Fellow PDF-ers, As a follow-up message to my colleague's previous posting regarding the upcoming release of the 2.0 version of Compose, please note that EMERGE is an authorized reseller of all SPI products, including Re: mark. So ... if you would like to place an order for either of these items please contact me by telephone (800-829-2459), fax (608-829-3561), or email (jcook@emrg.com). (Be sure to ask about the discounts which are available on multiple copy orders!!) Best, John Cook, EMERGE ********************************************************* >Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:49:53 -0600 >X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: pdf-l@emrg.com >From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) >Subject: COMPOSE 2.0 Plug-In Available Soon >Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com >Precedence: bulk >X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) > >A new release of the COMPOSE plug-in (for Acrobat Exchange) from Software >Partners Inc. will be released February 9. COMPOSE 2.0 will carry the >same retail price ($795) as the 1.0 product though several new and >substantial features have been added. Features of the new Compose 2.0 >release are listed below. > >An evaluation copy of the original Compose 1.0 plug-in is available for free >download from the EMERGE web site or the Software >Partners web site > >Those wanting to purchase this product immediately will receive the 1.0 >version and will receive a free upgrade to the new 2.0 version when it ships. > >Compose can streamline many tedious document production/mark-up tasks saving >time and money. > >Note....there are currently no plans for a Mac version of this plug-in > > >*******************FEATURES OF COMPOSE 2.0**************************** > > ... > >+----------------------------------------------------------+ >| Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | >| EMERGE | >| Knowledge In Motion | >|----------------------------------------------------------| >| 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | >| Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | >| Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | >| 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | >+----------------------------------------------------------+ > Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions > Acrobat Capture Service Bureau > > 16-Jan-1996 18:40:49-GMT,1881;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA06084 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:40:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21807; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:37:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA21758 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:29:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199601161826.AA03824@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:26:18 -0500 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Subject: AutoClose Plug_In To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Thanks to everyone who pointed me to the AUTOCLOSE plugin. It works fine for Windows. I can modify the AUTOCLOS.INI file so that MAXDOCS=1 -- but the Mac version does not allow such tailoring. It is set to "10". Anyone know of a way to make the maximum # of PDFs open at one time = 1 for the Mac version? Also, is there a comparable plugin for Unix (HPOS)? ORIGINAL POST FOLLOWS: Is there a plug-in available (for Mac, Windows, and Unix) that will close the current PDF file after the user clicks on a hyper-link that opens a second PDF file? +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON...." 16-Jan-1996 20:26:06-GMT,1558;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA08038 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22095; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:22:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA22034 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:18:50 -0600 Date: 16 Jan 96 15:16:55 EST From: Rick Harris <74431.2534@compuserve.com> To: Subject: Re: Print Error (Outbox) Message-ID: <960116201655_74431.2534_HHG40-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Rick Harris <74431.2534@compuserve.com> Glenn... >> I believe this is an old 9-pin printer.....and printing to 9-pin >> dot-matrix printers is not supported. The issue does not come up >> often...but there are still lots of these old work-horses out there. >> Most 24 pin dot printers are supported providing they are not the >> non-square pixel variety (unequal resolutions). I'm running an Okidata ML390 (a 24 pin dotmatrix) and I also get that same error msg, "Acrobat does not support printing at this device resolution. Please print at the devices highest resolution." The highest resolution offered is 360 x 180 dpi but that doesn't seem to work. Any other ideas you might have would be appreciated. Thanks... Rick Harris Sysop, Benchmarks and Standards Forum, Compuserve 74431.2534@compuserve.com 16-Jan-1996 21:36:47-GMT,2841;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA08956 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:36:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA22390; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:32:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA22360 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:30:45 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:40:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199601162140.PAA02807@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: Re: Print Error (Outbox) Cc: 74431.2534@compuserve.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) >Glenn... > > >> I believe this is an old 9-pin printer.....and printing to 9-pin > >> dot-matrix printers is not supported. The issue does not come up > >> often...but there are still lots of these old work-horses out there. > >> Most 24 pin dot printers are supported providing they are not the > >> non-square pixel variety (unequal resolutions). > >I'm running an Okidata ML390 (a 24 pin dotmatrix) and I also get that same >error msg, "Acrobat does not support printing at this device resolution. >Please print at the devices highest resolution." The highest resolution >offered is 360 x 180 dpi but that doesn't seem to work. Below is copied from the README_E.PDF: DOT-MATRIX PRINTERS =97 Printing to non-PostScript dot-matrix printers with non-square pixels (eg. unequal resolutions such as 240 x 144) is not= supported. I elude to this situation in my post last night (above) but was not terribly clear. Your ML390 is one of those machines with "non-square" pixels (360 x 180 ) as opposed to a machine that can print at say....360 x 360 +----------------------------------------------------------+=20 | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | =20 | EMERGE | = =20 | Knowledge In Motion | =20 |----------------------------------------------------------| =20 | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | =20 | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | =20 | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+=20 Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions =20 Acrobat Capture Service Bureau = =20 16-Jan-1996 22:16:05-GMT,1810;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA09395 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA22598; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:11:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA22566 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:10:55 -0600 X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 15:07 PST From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: ggernert@emrg.com Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, 74431.2534@compuserve.com In-Reply-To: <199601162140.PAA02807@smokies.binc.net> (ggernert@emrg.com) Subject: Re: Print Error (Outbox) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) > Below is copied from the README_E.PDF: > > DOT-MATRIX PRINTERS =97 Printing to non-PostScript dot-matrix printers with > non-square pixels (eg. unequal resolutions such as 240 x 144) is not= > supported. Aladdin Ghostscript can print PostScript and PDF files on dot-matrix printers with non-square pixels just as easily as ones with square pixels, if the printer is compatible with one of the many for which Ghostscript has drivers. You can get Aladdin Ghostscript 3.53 from ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/ghost/aladdin and the GSview for Windows front end from ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/ghost/rjl. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | & Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com Menlo Park, CA 94025 | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 16-Jan-1996 23:50:31-GMT,3990;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA10478 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA23096; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:41:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA23053 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:39:42 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 16 Jan 1996 17:33:39 U From: "Ted Goessling" Subject: UNIX Printing To: "Acrobat Developer Support" , "PDF-L Readers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Ted Goessling" Subject: UNIX Printing Date:1/16/96 Time: 5:19 PM Greetings, I'm having a significant problem with the UNIX versions of Acrobat Reader and Exchange. We are making over 85,000 PDF versions of engineering CAD drawings. Everything is working great from the end-user standpoint, but our central reprographics department needs a batch print capability. All of the files reside on a UNIX system and we want that system to produce printer ready PostScript. Unfortunately we can't seem to find a scriptable command line print method for UNIX. We are trying to use the nifty "-toPostScript" option, but there appears to be no way to specify the page size for the resulting PostScript file. Is there any way to do this? The PDF files are 11 x 17, but nothing I do (in UNIX) generates a PostScript file that remembers that. Of course everything works fine if I go into the application and use the print dialog to create the PostScript file, but that isn't possible for the batch printing process. This wouldn't be such a big problem if the "-toPostScript" command didn't FORCE the output onto an 8.5 x 11 inch page. Even though no page size was specified, the PostScript file dutifully contains the "<< /PageSize [612 792] >> setpagedevice" code. This tells my smart HP printers to use the wrong paper tray. I can think of four ways around this (in order of preference): 1) Use the hitherto undocumented "-PageSize" switch with the "-toPostScript" option. Of course, this method presupposes that there ARE undocumented switches for the "-toPostScript" option. PLEASE, PLEASE tell me that they exist... 2) Use the appropriate, but hitherto undocumented, ".acrorc" advanced parameters to force the hidden .rc file that Reader and Exchange create at the system root to remember the page size last used in the print dialog. Of course, this method presupposes that there ARE advanced parameters that can be added to the ".acrorc" file, AND they control what happens when you use the command line "-toPostScript" option. PLEASE, PLEASE tell me ... 3) Wait until Adobe releases Acrobat Exchange 2.X or 3.X with the same type of robust API for UNIX as they have for Mac and Windows. If it happened this week, this would be a swell solution. 4) Write a script to substitute "<< /PageSize [612 792] >> setpagedevice" with "<< /PageSize [792 1224] >> setpagedevice" in the PostScript file before it gets to the printer. Of course, this method presupposes that I want all instances of command line printing from the UNIX version of Reader and Exchange to be forced onto tabloid size paper. I'll probably do this, but I'm not happy about it. Do any of you know about a better way to handle this problem? Thanks in advance for any advice!!! ====================================================================== Ted Goessling ted.goessling@mts.com Technology Analyst 14000 Technology Drive MTS Systems Corporation Eden Prairie, MN 55344 ====================================================================== 17-Jan-1996 8:11:36-GMT,2179;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA14602 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:11:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA27118; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 02:09:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA27083 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 02:04:18 -0600 Date: 17 Jan 96 03:00:31 EST From: Rick Harris <74431.2534@compuserve.com> To: Subject: Re: Print Error (Outbox) Message-ID: <960117080030_74431.2534_HHG31-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Rick Harris <74431.2534@compuserve.com> Glenn... >> I elude to this situation in my post last night (above) but was not >> terribly clear. Your ML390 is one of those machines with >> "non-square" pixels (360 x 180 ) as opposed to a machine that can >> print at say....360 x 360 Actually, I think the problem was on this end. I had made an earlier assumption regarding the error msg that I had been receiving so I had my head up and locked and didn't relate to what you were telling me. Now that I've taken a closer look I find that there is an option for '180 dpi' which obviously (now anyway ) indicates 180 x 180. IAC, I've tried that setting and it now prints out okay. Thanks for the tip. (later) I went looking for the README_E.PDF that you referenced to see what other goodies I might find and could only find README_R.TXT that was distributed with Ver 2.1. From the following it looks like they had intended to deal with this problem in the new version... Limitations in printing to some non-Postscript printers with non-square pixels (some fax modems and dot-matrix printers) have been removed. Since I was supposed to be running 2.1 now, I went digging a little and found that the OS/2 icon was still pointed to an old vers 2.0 which explains the rest of the problem. Now that that's squared away, I'm printing on all settings. Rick Harris Sysop, Benchmarks and Standards Forum 74431.2534@compuserve.com 17-Jan-1996 14:38:59-GMT,1261;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA16275 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:38:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA28397; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:37:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA28365 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:35:03 -0600 From: "Mike Bassman" Message-Id: <9601170933.ZM21859@fia21-43.fiadev21.lehman.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:33:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Landscape orientation, PDFs from Excel/Word Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mike Bassman" I've been unable to resolve an odd problem which I can't narrow to Acrobat or Microsoft applications on the PC. I distill PS files generated from Excel 5 or Word 6. The documents were originally landscape, and print thus directly from the app. When viewing a PDF, though, the documents always come out portrait. Any hints? mike 17-Jan-1996 16:13:05-GMT,1552;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA17190 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA28718; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:10:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA28670 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:07:49 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:48:40 -0500 (EST) From: DAVID L DIMICH To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Adobe acrobat .pdf reader for Dos. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: DAVID L DIMICH Hello. Does anyone have this reader?? if so, could you please attach it in a message and send it to me. I am having difficulty downloading the 2.6meg file from the adobe site and would really like a .pdf reader for my computer. thanx.. please reply! ______________________________________________________________________________ Dave Dimich Brock University Business/Math Major email:dd94bu@badger.ac.brocku.ca St.Catharines,Ontario. CANADA :ddimich@freenet.npiec.on.ca "I wouldn't want to Break Your Heart" ..... BNL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17-Jan-1996 16:13:42-GMT,3516;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA17194 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:13:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA28800; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:11:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA28709 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:10:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199601171609.KAA32430@glacier.binc.net> To: Mike Bassman cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Landscape orientation, PDFs from Excel/Word In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 17 Jan 96 09:33:45 -0500. <9601170933.ZM21859@fia21-43.fiadev21.lehman.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 16:05:07 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith In your message of Wed, 17 Jan 96 09:33:45 -0500 you said: >I've been unable to resolve an odd problem which I can't >narrow to Acrobat or Microsoft applications on the PC. >I distill PS files generated from Excel 5 or Word 6. >The documents were originally landscape, and print thus >directly from the app. When viewing a PDF, though, the >documents always come out portrait. >Any hints? >mike I think you probably mean they come out landscape, but that the whole page appears rotated when viewed. The print does actually fit on the page, yes? There has recently been a discussion about this in comp.text.pdf. Are you using Distiller or PDFWriter to produce the PDF? If Distiller, here's an explanation: Most printers print, by default, to a portrait page. When you print a landscape format document, the printer driver rotates everything through 90 degrees so it fits on the paper. You take your piece of paper out of the printer, turn it through 90 degrees and there is your "landscape" document. Like printers, Distiller prints on portrait Letter-size paper by default. What you get from Distiller is exactly what you get from the printer. You can use Exchange to do the rotation you'd normally do with your hands. However, there is another way. You can use a custom paper size in your application, so that you print your "landscape" format document in portrait (un-rotated) mode to paper that is wider than it is tall. Because Distiller can print to any size and shape of paper, you'll get out what you expect: "landscape" oriented paper for a non-rotated, "landscape" format document. The only problem you might have with this is if the application doesn't tell Distiller to use the custom shape paper. You can do this yourself by putting the PostScript code << /PageSize [ 792 640 ] >> setpagedevice in your PostScript document file or in a separate file in Distiller's startup directory. The above suggestions should help if you're using Distiller. I hardly ever use PDFWriter so I'll let others comment on that. As there are so many so-called "landscape" PostScript files out there, it would be nice if there were a Distiller option to do the rotation automatically. Then there'd be no need to use Exchange to rotate the paper if you couldn't print from source to custom-sized paper. Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 17-Jan-1996 20:04:14-GMT,2026;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA19964 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA29595; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:56:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA29544 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:49:46 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 17 Jan 1996 13:47:53 U From: "Ted Goessling" Subject: Acrobat as On-line Help? To: "PDF-L Readers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Ted Goessling" Subject: Acrobat as On-line Help? Date:1/17/96 Time: 1:33 PM Greetings, Do any of you have experience using Acrobat as the on-line help engine for another software product? Our company produces specialized hardware and software for materials testing. We make extensive use of Acrobat for a variety of documentation tasks and are considering expanding our use of it for on-line help. We are an Acrobat developer and have built a prototype Windows application where clicking on a help button calls Exchange and opens specific parts of a PDF document. It seems to work very well, and provides a very cost-effective method of producing on-line, context-sensitive help. If you have any information you would like to share regarding your experiences with Acrobat as an on-line help engine, please let me know. Thanks in advance for any help! ====================================================================== Ted Goessling ted.goessling@mts.com Technology Analyst 14000 Technology Drive MTS Systems Corporation Eden Prairie, MN 55344 ====================================================================== 17-Jan-1996 20:11:19-GMT,2617;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA20078 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:11:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA29767; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:05:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA29718 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:03:42 -0600 From: "Mike Bassman" Message-Id: <9601171501.ZM26969@fia21-43.fiadev21.lehman.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:01:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Phil Smith "Re: Landscape orientation, PDFs from Excel/Word" (Jan 17, 4:05pm) References: <199601171609.LAA09195@lehman.Lehman.COM> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Phil Smith Subject: Re: Landscape orientation, PDFs from Excel/Word Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mike Bassman" On Jan 17, 4:05pm, Phil Smith wrote: > >I distill PS files generated from Excel 5 or Word 6. > >The documents were originally landscape, and print thus > >directly from the app. When viewing a PDF, though, the > >documents always come out portrait. > I think you probably mean they come out landscape, but that the whole page > appears rotated when viewed. The print does actually fit on the page, yes? No. It gets cut off on the right, as the portrait orientation is not wide enough. > > Like printers, Distiller prints on portrait Letter-size paper by default. > What you get from Distiller is exactly what you get from the printer. You > can use Exchange to do the rotation you'd normally do with your hands. > However, there is another way. You can use a custom paper size in your > application, so that you print your "landscape" format document in portrait > (un-rotated) mode to paper that is wider than it is tall. Because > Distiller can print to any size and shape of paper, you'll get out what you > expect: "landscape" oriented paper for a non-rotated, "landscape" format > document. > Interesting approach, if my problem fit your description. I'll file that if I want a page to, in essence, auto-rotate. Unfortunately, that's not what happens. I'm curious if other people using the MS apps have encountered this issue, and is so, under what circumstances (right now, I suspect the Apple Laserwriter II NT driver we use for ps output). thanks, mike 19-Jan-1996 12:13:20-GMT,1964;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA08980 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 05:13:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07864; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 06:08:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA07766 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 05:59:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:56:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199601191156.MAA03767@mistral.ius-software.si> X-Sender: sandra@mistral.ius-software.si X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Subject: Please Read II. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Hi everyone, My company is going to issue a CD ROM with Acrobat Reader program on it and a lot of data within PDF files. Please don't ignore my "stupid" question: When the end user installs Acrobat Reader from CD ROM, the program group Adobe Acrobat with Acrobat Reader icon inside appears. Then he can start Acrobat Reader (double click on a Reader icon) and usually the File open dialog box appears. What I want is that after he starts the Reader, it would automaticly open a PDF file I want to specify somewhere - question is where (maybe in *.ini file)? - without Open dialog box. Is it possible to do this? Thanks for your answers in advance, Sandra Sustarsic **************************************************************************** ********************************** Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana Crnuce tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ 19-Jan-1996 15:05:44-GMT,3224;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA09943 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:05:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA08574; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:46:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA08531 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:43:10 -0600 Message-Id: <01BAE67C.1E9319C0@gw4-187.pool.dircon.co.uk> From: Jim Cook To: "'PDF-L@emrg.com'" , "'Sandra Sustarsic'" Subject: RE: Please Read II. Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:40:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jim Cook Sandra: No questions are ever stupid, some are easier to answer than others !! I think this one's easy, if the command line used to start Acrobat = Reader includes a file name as an argument, then Reader starts up by = opening that file. This behaviour overrides what might be set up in the = preferences and doesn't require any alterations to any INI files. So - create a new program manager icon and edit the command line = properties to include the requisite filename, something like this will be required: Description: Click here to see the CD Rom Command line: C:\ACROREAD\ACROREAD.EXE E:\FILE.PDF Obviously the text in the description appears as the description under = the icon. The command line above assumes a default installation and the = E:\FILE.PDF should be the full pathname of the file to be opened. I hope this helps ! Regards Jim JA Cook, Technical Director Computerised Document Control Ltd Specialists in document systems from strategy to rollout. Direct Tel: (+44) 1249 460953 Direct Fax: (+44) 1249 460078 WWW: http://www.docctrl.co.uk/docctrl ---------- From: Sandra Sustarsic[SMTP:sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si] Sent: 19 January 1996 11:57 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Please Read II. Hi everyone, My company is going to issue a CD ROM with Acrobat Reader program on it = and a lot of data within PDF files. Please don't ignore my "stupid" question: When the end user installs Acrobat Reader from CD ROM, the program group Adobe Acrobat with Acrobat Reader icon inside appears. Then he can start Acrobat Reader (double click on a Reader icon) and usually the File open dialog box appears. What I want is that after he starts the Reader, it = would automaticly open a PDF file I want to specify somewhere - question is = where (maybe in *.ini file)? - without Open dialog box. Is it possible to do = this? Thanks for your answers in advance, Sandra Sustarsic *************************************************************************= *** ********************************** Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. =20 CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana = Crnuce tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA =20 Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ =20 19-Jan-1996 16:26:13-GMT,2850;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA10652 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:26:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09018; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:22:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA08979 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:18:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:14:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199601191614.IAA05907@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Please Read II. To: PDF-L@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199601191156.MAA03767@mistral.ius-software.si> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Sandra, Just a quick follow-on to Jim Cook's response ... You'll have to write your own INSTALL / SETUP script to add the new program icon Jim suggests, since the Adobe-supplied Acrobat installation procedure doesn't have any parameters or user exits to allow for these kinds of "customized" installations. We recently implemented a fairly elaborate, customized, Installation process by embedding the Acrobat installation within our own custom installation "shell" (written in Stirling's InstallSHIELD). You should be able to do this easily using nearly any of the many commercial Windows-enabled installation tools. Or, you could just have each user set it up manually, but that's something I gather you wanted to avoid. Good luck. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software thiersch@ccnet.com On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) wrote: >Hi everyone, > >My company is going to issue a CD ROM with Acrobat Reader program on it and >a lot of data within PDF files. > >Please don't ignore my "stupid" question: > >When the end user installs Acrobat Reader from CD ROM, the program group >Adobe Acrobat with Acrobat Reader icon inside appears. Then he can start >Acrobat Reader (double click on a Reader icon) and usually the File open >dialog box appears. What I want is that after he starts the Reader, it would >automaticly open a PDF file I want to specify somewhere - question is where >(maybe in *.ini file)? - without Open dialog box. Is it possible to do this? > > >Thanks for your answers in advance, > >Sandra Sustarsic >********************************************************************* ******* >********************************** >Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. >CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana Crnuce >tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA >Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ > > > > > 19-Jan-1996 16:47:53-GMT,3613;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA10887 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:47:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09214; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:42:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09175 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:40:58 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 11:11:40 PST Message-Id: <9600198220.AA822069274@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si Subject: Re[2]: Please Read II. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Hi, Sandra: I agree with Jim's suggestion! You shouldn't make Acrobat Reader always start with your CD's main document because what happens when you ship your second CD? Or when the user what's to use Acrobat to read something else? Up would pop a "File Not Found message." Creating a new program manager icon is the right idea. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems Inc _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: RE: Please Read II. From: Jim Cook at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/19/96 6:47 AM Sandra: No questions are ever stupid, some are easier to answer than others !! I think this one's easy, if the command line used to start Acrobat = Reader includes a file name as an argument, then Reader starts up by = opening that file. This behaviour overrides what might be set up in the = preferences and doesn't require any alterations to any INI files. So - create a new program manager icon and edit the command line = properties to include the requisite filename, something like this will be required: Description: Click here to see the CD Rom Command line: C:\ACROREAD\ACROREAD.EXE E:\FILE.PDF Obviously the text in the description appears as the description under = the icon. The command line above assumes a default installation and the = E:\FILE.PDF should be the full pathname of the file to be opened. I hope this helps ! Regards Jim JA Cook, Technical Director Computerised Document Control Ltd Specialists in document systems from strategy to rollout. Direct Tel: (+44) 1249 460953 Direct Fax: (+44) 1249 460078 WWW: http://www.docctrl.co.uk/docctrl ---------- From: Sandra Sustarsic[SMTP:sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si] Sent: 19 January 1996 11:57 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Please Read II. Hi everyone, My company is going to issue a CD ROM with Acrobat Reader program on it = and a lot of data within PDF files. Please don't ignore my "stupid" question: When the end user installs Acrobat Reader from CD ROM, the program group Adobe Acrobat with Acrobat Reader icon inside appears. Then he can start Acrobat Reader (double click on a Reader icon) and usually the File open dialog box appears. What I want is that after he starts the Reader, it = would automaticly open a PDF file I want to specify somewhere - question is = where (maybe in *.ini file)? - without Open dialog box. Is it possible to do = this? Thanks for your answers in advance, Sandra Sustarsic *************************************************************************= *** ********************************** Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. =20 CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana = Crnuce tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA =20 Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ =20 19-Jan-1996 17:21:16-GMT,1356;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA11180 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:21:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09495; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:16:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09446 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:13:23 -0600 From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 09:03:47 PST Message-Id: <9600198220.AA822071251@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat for OS/2; Beta testers? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com It's not quite time yet, but in the near future we shall be looking for folks interested in sampling Acrobat for OS/2. The Beta period will begin in a few months. However, I'd like to start the process of gathering names at this point. If you are interested or know of someone who is interested, please drop me a line. Re: Automating the Acrobat Reader install, I looked at the ini file the installer uses and it is customizeable in many ways, but not for the default parameter for the Acrobat Icon. FYI, this would have been a one line REXX script in OS/2, executable from the command line. 19-Jan-1996 19:37:07-GMT,1779;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA12844 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10198; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:32:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA10140 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:27:16 -0600 MR-Received: by mta UNHCES; Relayed; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:25:30 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:00:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Barbara Wright Eaton (603)862-1805" Subject: RE: Please Read II. To: "/R=MRGATE/U=IN%\"sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si\"/FFN=VMSmail User IN%\"sandra.sustar/"@mr.unh.edu Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:25:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E46ZWDAKM86H X400-MTS-identifier: [;03524191106991/66171@UNHCES] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Barbara Wright Eaton (603)862-1805" Why not try going the other way? If your goal is to have the user be able to load what you'd like in one step, I suggest having them select the .PDF file as that step. For example, in Windows, double clicking on a .PDF will automatically bring them into Acrobat to read the file. This way the user can get to the desired location (your .PDf within the reader) in one, easy step. You can then embed links in that .PDF, or allow the user to select another .PDF. 19-Jan-1996 21:00:01-GMT,4355;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA13726 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:59:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10568; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:28:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA10521 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:25:16 -0600 Date: 19 Jan 96 15:19:11 EST From: To: , , Subject: Re[2]: Please Read II. Message-ID: <960119201910_702420.204300_BHD29-59@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Is there a way to build this into an installer with ResEdit or some other system-level editor? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: RE: Please Read II. From: INTERNET:jimc@docctrl.co.uk at CSERVE Date: 1/19/96 9:54 AM Sender: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id JAA12022; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:52:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA08555; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:45:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA08531 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:43:10 -0600 Message-Id: <01BAE67C.1E9319C0@gw4-187.pool.dircon.co.uk> From: Jim Cook To: "'PDF-L@emrg.com'" , "'Sandra Sustarsic'" Subject: RE: Please Read II. Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:40:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jim Cook Sandra: No questions are ever stupid, some are easier to answer than others !! I think this one's easy, if the command line used to start Acrobat = Reader includes a file name as an argument, then Reader starts up by = opening that file. This behaviour overrides what might be set up in the = preferences and doesn't require any alterations to any INI files. So - create a new program manager icon and edit the command line = properties to include the requisite filename, something like this will be required: Description: Click here to see the CD Rom Command line: C:\ACROREAD\ACROREAD.EXE E:\FILE.PDF Obviously the text in the description appears as the description under = the icon. The command line above assumes a default installation and the = E:\FILE.PDF should be the full pathname of the file to be opened. I hope this helps ! Regards Jim JA Cook, Technical Director Computerised Document Control Ltd Specialists in document systems from strategy to rollout. Direct Tel: (+44) 1249 460953 Direct Fax: (+44) 1249 460078 WWW: http://www.docctrl.co.uk/docctrl ---------- From: Sandra Sustarsic[SMTP:sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si] Sent: 19 January 1996 11:57 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Please Read II. Hi everyone, My company is going to issue a CD ROM with Acrobat Reader program on it = and a lot of data within PDF files. Please don't ignore my "stupid" question: When the end user installs Acrobat Reader from CD ROM, the program group Adobe Acrobat with Acrobat Reader icon inside appears. Then he can start Acrobat Reader (double click on a Reader icon) and usually the File open dialog box appears. What I want is that after he starts the Reader, it = would automaticly open a PDF file I want to specify somewhere - question is = where (maybe in *.ini file)? - without Open dialog box. Is it possible to do = this? Thanks for your answers in advance, Sandra Sustarsic *************************************************************************= *** ********************************** Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. =20 CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana = Crnuce tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA =20 Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ =20 22-Jan-1996 15:08:58-GMT,2819;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA10957 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:08:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28318; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:04:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA28232 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:48:04 -0600 From: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: text from PDF To: PDF-L@emrg.com Message-id: <01I0B1R9RCSI96VKN1@ADONIS.OSTI.GOV> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov Hi all! I've been lurking on this list for a while now and have learned a lot. Now I've finally decided to wade in with a question of my own. We have a client who is providing all his documents in PDF from a Web server. He has a customer who wants to access the text in these PDF files. Our client's position is that PDF is what he has committed to provide (and what he has funding to produce) so he is not going to add a plain-text or word-processing file as an option from his Web page. He asked, however, if there is a (free) program of some sort out there that would provide a PDF-to-plain-text conversion. If his customers want to get the software and do the conversion themselves, he'll provide the pointer to the appropriate resource. I have told him about Re:Mark which can be used to provide RTF text in conjunction with Acrobat Exchange. (This option involves too much $$$ to make his customer happy.) I have also heard of ps2ascii and pstotext converters to use with Ghostscript. I have downloaded the Ghostscript software, but haven't figured out how to run the ps2ascii conversion. Will this even work on a PDF file? I have also mentioned that if his customers are willing to put the time into it, they can select and copy the text from the PDF and paste it into just about any word processor. This option has been tried and rejected. So, on to my question. Does there exist a product that will do what our client is looking for? Are we asking for the impossible -- a product that is easy-to-use, fast, AND free? Any advice and/or pointers are most welcome. BTW, our client and the vast majority of his customers work on 386/486 PCs running Windows. Thanks, Michele Berkes Electronic Publishing Group, NCI Information Systems, Oak Ridge, TN michele.berkes@ccmail.osti.gov 22-Jan-1996 15:55:09-GMT,4743;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA11374 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:55:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28567; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:43:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28529 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:40:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199601221539.AA02048@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:41:54 -0500 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) To: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: text from PDF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.960523228" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.960523228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Maybe this is too simple, but can't you just select all the text, copy it, then paste it into whatever application you want? I don't know about Windows, but on the Mac, that is about the easiest way to get a text-only version. +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON...." _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: text from PDF From: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov at ~GATEWAY Date: 1/22/96 9:44 AM Received: from mark.gilbarco.com by grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 103a7700; Mon, 22 Jan 96 10:04:16 -0500 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by mark.gilbarco.com with SMTP id AA09078 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:04:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/ 8.6 .9) with SMTP id JAA28290; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:01:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA 28232 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:48:04 -0600 From: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: text from PDF To: PDF-L@emrg.com Message-Id: <01I0B1R9RCSI96VKN1@ADONIS.OSTI.GOV> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov --IMA.Boundary.960523228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Maybe this is too simple, but can't you just select all the text, copy it, then paste it into whatever application you want? I don't know about Windows, but on =A6the Mac, that is about the easiest way to get a text-only version. = = +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. = Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ = DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON...." >______________________________________________________________________ >Subject: text from PDF >From: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov at ~GATEWAY >Date: 1/22/96 9:44 AM [snip] > We have a client who is providing all his documents in PDF from a W= eb = > server. He has a customer who wants to access the text in these PDF= = > files. Our client's position is that PDF is what he has committed t= o = > provide (and what he has funding to produce) so he is not going to = add = > a plain-text or word-processing file as an option from his Web page= =2E = > He asked, however, if there is a (free) program of some sort out th= ere = > that would provide a PDF-to-plain-text conversion. If his customers= = > want to get the software and do the conversion themselves, he'll = > provide the pointer to the appropriate resource. --IMA.Boundary.960523228-- 22-Jan-1996 16:54:14-GMT,3242;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA12207 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:54:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA28967; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:48:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA28887 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:47:40 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960122164604.0088430c@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:46:04 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: text from PDF Cc: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert > We have a client who is providing all his documents in PDF from a Web > server. He has a customer who wants to access the text in these PDF > files. Our client's position is that PDF is what he has committed to > provide (and what he has funding to produce) so he is not going to add > a plain-text or word-processing file as an option from his Web page. > He asked, however, if there is a (free) program of some sort out there > that would provide a PDF-to-plain-text conversion. If his customers > want to get the software and do the conversion themselves, he'll > provide the pointer to the appropriate resource. >From a previous post to this list back in October From: djh@arinc.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:44:59 -0400 Subject: Re: pdf to ascii? Here's one way (that may or may not work for you): 1. Print the PDF file to a PostScript file 2. Run any one of a number of freely available PS-to-ASCII converters on the PS file I use ps2ascii for step 2. I don't remember where I got it, but I got C source for it once upon a time, and it's a simple port for DOS or Unix. Good luck! David Hancock | dhancock@arinc.com > pstotext converters to use with Ghostscript. I have downloaded the > Ghostscript software, but haven't figured out how to run the ps2ascii > conversion. Will this even work on a PDF file? No, this will not work with a PDF file....and is why you have to print the PDF out to disk as PS as in step 1 above. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 22-Jan-1996 19:38:40-GMT,2096;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA14325 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:38:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA29638; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:34:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA29604 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:31:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199601221931.NAA40300@glacier.binc.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 19:24:38 GMT From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: [L. Peter Deutsch: Re: Quark Immedia, Display PostScript] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford Date: Sat, 6 Jan 96 10:15 PST From: "L. Peter Deutsch" To: acrobat@blueworld.com Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com > I think it would be a smart move on Adobe's part to define a PDF-based > DPS-like API, and give away freely redistributable implementations on all > the major platforms. DPS is way too complicated and costly to become a > standard at this point, but PDF as an API might still have some chance of > becoming established. Acrobat is a good application with a relatively open > architecture, and making it easy for apps to migrate to PDF (which can be > mapped to PostScript, for printing, with relatively little trouble) could > benefit Adobe a lot. I agree with Peter Deutsch 101% on this. I think Adobe should focus on PDF as a platform-independent high-quality imaging technology and all the components necessary to make this a de facto standard should be made available for free -- divorced from the need for them to be a plug-in to the Acrobat products. All of this could help to build market share and lead to even better sales prospects for Reader, Exchange, Distiller etc. PDF (a.k.a. "DPS Lite" ?!) has shown us just how much superfluous baggage DPS carries around with it -- far too much for it to be a flexible API standard. David Brailsford 22-Jan-1996 20:28:13-GMT,2844;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA14846 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:28:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA29973; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:21:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA29943 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:19:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199601222019.OAA20206@glacier.binc.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 20:07:37 GMT From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PDF to displace HTML ?? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford X-Sender: "David P. Dugan" > Again, I'll say it. In 18 months, nobody will produce web content > using HTML...PDF is taking over. > David P. Dugan I'd love to believe you're right -- the sheer quality of PDF's rendering, fonts etc tends to blow the mind of all who see it. But HTML has some big plusses for its easy editability -- especially in circumstances where ultimate quality and exact page fidelity are not big issues. What we are now seeing is the idiocy of the HTML theologians migrating HTML ever further away from structured generic markup (where it is strongest) into the area of proliferating tags for exact displayed effects (where SGML-like solutions are weakest). If they're not careful they'll end up re-inventing Type 1 fonts and CMYK colour models in some hideously overblown syntax in HTML 7.0, or whatever. How sensible it would be if PDF could interwork seamlessly with HTML! However I suspect that the following necessary (sufficient?) conditions will have to apply before PDF can make further inroads: (a) Amber will have to become widely accepted and distributed as an interim solution -- which means Netscape committing to support for Macs and SUN Unix at the very least (as well as Windows 95). (b) Adobe needs to make PDF imaging technology much more easily available so that the next generation of Web browsers can use PDF imaging technology on all platforms -- but without the necessity of "page fidelity" inherent in current Acrobat products (c) We need *structured*, revisable PDF as soon as possible so that the "bottom up" approach of PDF, starting with its standard imaging model, can try to meet the structured "top down" world of HTML, neatly and consistently, somewhere in the middle ... Some of these issues are firmly in Adobe's court but others depend on persuading web browser suppliers (NetScape in particular) of the value of supporting the PDF model. David Brailsford 22-Jan-1996 21:11:54-GMT,4116;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA15399 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:11:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA30445; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:07:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA30370 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:05:20 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 12:53:33 PST Message-Id: <9600228223.AA822333973@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: text from PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Re PDF to Text/RTF: Acrobat Exchange on Windows, of course, has a "Copy File to Clipboard" menu item that does exactly what you want--no plug-in required. At present, the free Reader has no equivalent. Fast, easy but not free! It copies the whole file as RTF, by the way, and you can then paste it into Word or any program that accepts RTF. On Macintosh, there is no menu item, but an AppleScript could do the same thing: For (number of pages in document): go first page, select all, copy, paste in (word processor application), go next page, until done. Since Reader can generate a PostScript file, PS to ASCII converters should work, too. A creative way to automate this would be to let users order an RTF or text version over the Web and have the conversion take place on the server. This way you avoid storing redundent versions or forcing _each_ user to have to do the conversion. Since Exchnage is extremely scriptable (and runs on Sun and NT as well as Macintosh), this should be easy for a webmaster to program. The Sun version might require a plug-in written in C, but it would be a dead simple one to write. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: text from PDF From: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/22/96 7:00 AM Hi all! I've been lurking on this list for a while now and have learned a lot. Now I've finally decided to wade in with a question of my own. We have a client who is providing all his documents in PDF from a Web server. He has a customer who wants to access the text in these PDF files. Our client's position is that PDF is what he has committed to provide (and what he has funding to produce) so he is not going to add a plain-text or word-processing file as an option from his Web page. He asked, however, if there is a (free) program of some sort out there that would provide a PDF-to-plain-text conversion. If his customers want to get the software and do the conversion themselves, he'll provide the pointer to the appropriate resource. I have told him about Re:Mark which can be used to provide RTF text in conjunction with Acrobat Exchange. (This option involves too much $$$ to make his customer happy.) I have also heard of ps2ascii and pstotext converters to use with Ghostscript. I have downloaded the Ghostscript software, but haven't figured out how to run the ps2ascii conversion. Will this even work on a PDF file? I have also mentioned that if his customers are willing to put the time into it, they can select and copy the text from the PDF and paste it into just about any word processor. This option has been tried and rejected. So, on to my question. Does there exist a product that will do what our client is looking for? Are we asking for the impossible -- a product that is easy-to-use, fast, AND free? Any advice and/or pointers are most welcome. BTW, our client and the vast majority of his customers work on 386/486 PCs running Windows. Thanks, Michele Berkes Electronic Publishing Group, NCI Information Systems, Oak Ridge, TN michele.berkes@ccmail.osti.gov 22-Jan-1996 21:14:00-GMT,2919;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA15434 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:13:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA30287; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:01:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30248 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:59:34 -0600 X-Sender: npitts@janus.sedl.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:54:32 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) Subject: Re: PDF to displace HTML ?? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) >X-Sender: "David P. Dugan" > >> Again, I'll say it. In 18 months, nobody will produce web content >> using HTML...PDF is taking over. > >> David P. Dugan > I'll have to disagree here, but I do see a more integrated HTML & PDF Web, with HTML used for description and page basics but PDF used for longer, more complex documents that rely on format and layout to deliver their message. I'm not going to go and create a PDF document just to maintain a What's New page, it's a waste of time. > What we are now seeing is the idiocy of the HTML theologians >migrating HTML ever further away from structured generic markup Amen. This issue is extremely relevant if you're trying to create for a variety of levels of browser and connection speed. The web is supposed to be useful to a wide audience but the move of individual browsers beyond the standards makes that difficult. Kind of reminds me of the PC industry in general so I suppose it was to be expected. To add to all of the confusion are things like Java and Shockwave that would have to be integrated into PDF somehow. I finally got the Mac Sockwave plug-in and it's kind of cool to be able to have a movie run on my web page, even though we are far away from that being a practical use of media until bandwith and connection speed are improved. While I think PDF is going to be an integral part of the web media tool suite, it won't replace HTML. The trick, as I see it, is to use the format (PDF,HTML, gopher, shockwave, java, whatever) most effective for the communication of any given information. Just because you can use a format doesn't mean you should. To use the what's new example again, I could make a "What's New" movie, but is that the best way to communicate that to my users? Probably not. Anyway, I should have used tags her. Didn't mean to rant. Just my HO :-) ----- Natanya Pitts Information Resources Technician Southwest Educational Development Laboratory http://www.sedl.org "One of life's simple joys is playin' with the boys." 22-Jan-1996 21:21:44-GMT,3574;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA15546 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:21:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA30385; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:05:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA30328 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:04:42 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 11:47:01 PST Message-Id: <9600228223.AA822333909@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: text from PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Acrobat Exchange (Windows) has a "Copy File to Clipboard" command that converts an entire PDF file to RTF in one step. You can then paste the RTF into Microsoft Word or any other application that accepts RTF. This works very well on most documents. I just copied the entire Exchange Help file (266 pages) to Word in less than a minute. Since Exchange and Word are highly scriptable, one could set up an automated process to process files on a web site. Exchange is easy to use and fast, but not free! Since Reader can print to PostScript, a PS-to-ASCII converter should work as well. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: text from PDF From: Michele_Berkes@ccmail.osti.gov at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/22/96 7:00 AM Hi all! I've been lurking on this list for a while now and have learned a lot. Now I've finally decided to wade in with a question of my own. We have a client who is providing all his documents in PDF from a Web server. He has a customer who wants to access the text in these PDF files. Our client's position is that PDF is what he has committed to provide (and what he has funding to produce) so he is not going to add a plain-text or word-processing file as an option from his Web page. He asked, however, if there is a (free) program of some sort out there that would provide a PDF-to-plain-text conversion. If his customers want to get the software and do the conversion themselves, he'll provide the pointer to the appropriate resource. I have told him about Re:Mark which can be used to provide RTF text in conjunction with Acrobat Exchange. (This option involves too much $$$ to make his customer happy.) I have also heard of ps2ascii and pstotext converters to use with Ghostscript. I have downloaded the Ghostscript software, but haven't figured out how to run the ps2ascii conversion. Will this even work on a PDF file? I have also mentioned that if his customers are willing to put the time into it, they can select and copy the text from the PDF and paste it into just about any word processor. This option has been tried and rejected. So, on to my question. Does there exist a product that will do what our client is looking for? Are we asking for the impossible -- a product that is easy-to-use, fast, AND free? Any advice and/or pointers are most welcome. BTW, our client and the vast majority of his customers work on 386/486 PCs running Windows. Thanks, Michele Berkes Electronic Publishing Group, NCI Information Systems, Oak Ridge, TN michele.berkes@ccmail.osti.gov 22-Jan-1996 23:13:37-GMT,1347;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA16929 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:13:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA31234; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:06:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA31195 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:04:13 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:06:42 -0700 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: schuster@tidcompo.llnl.gov (John Schuster) Subject: Monitoring Distiller usage Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: schuster@tidcompo.llnl.gov (John Schuster) I have Network version of Distiller 2.1 for the Mac running on a server accessible by everyone in my department. I want to be able to accumulate data on who is using Distiller, when they are using it, size of files distilled, etc. Can anyone suggest a way to monitor usage statistics of Distiller in a situation like this? John A Schuster, Group Leader Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory P.O. Box 808, L-665 Livemore, CA 94551 (510) 424-6106, fax (510)423-1008 schuster@tidcompo.llnl.gov 23-Jan-1996 10:17:48-GMT,1661;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA21924 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:17:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA02531; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 04:15:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA02491 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 04:10:57 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 96 10:09 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-22-96 [V1 #140], David Brailsford reply To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199601230550.XAA00818@grandcanyon.binc.net> >From Peter Mathews Computerstream Ltd Manchester, UK David, you wrote in reply to a topic on PDF vs HTML: (c) We need *structured*, revisable PDF as soon as possible so that the "bottom up" approach of PDF, starting with its standard imaging model, can try to meet the structured "top down" world of HTML, neatly and consistently, somewhere in the middle ... whilst I applaud all that is being said here, I again cringed when I read that word **revisable** when used in conjunction with PDF. I know it's coming, I've seen it in action, but one of Acrobat's great plus points is that the data is inviolet and can't be messed with. Does anyone agree or is this a solo point. Regards Peter Mathews. 23-Jan-1996 11:39:04-GMT,1595;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA22262 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 04:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA03049; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 05:33:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA02997 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 05:30:36 -0600 From: "Robert Kelly" Message-Id: <9601230622.ZM12791@pckelly_r> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 06:22:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) "Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-22-96 [V1 #140], David Brailsford reply" (Jan 23, 10:09am) References: X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-22-96 [V1 #140], David Brailsford reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Robert Kelly" > whilst I applaud all that is being said here, I again cringed when I read > that word **revisable** when used in conjunction with PDF. > I know it's coming, I've seen it in action, but one of Acrobat's great > plus points is that the data is inviolet and can't be messed with. > > Does anyone agree or is this a solo point. > Regards Peter Mathews. I agree, however if the author / publisher can lock the pdf file then, IMHO, that would be enough. Bob Kelly 23-Jan-1996 12:01:38-GMT,1420;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA22344 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 05:01:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA03296; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 05:59:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA03266 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 05:57:54 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 06:57:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-22-96 [V1 #140], David Brailsford reply Cc: rakelly@aps.org, compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) >> whilst I applaud all that is being said here, I again cringed when I read >> that word **revisable** when used in conjunction with PDF. >> I know it's coming, I've seen it in action, but one of Acrobat's great >> plus points is that the data is inviolet and can't be messed with. (Mathews) > I agree, however if the author / publisher can lock the pdf file then, IMHO, > that would be enough. (Kelly) Locking is a fine option. But, editing is a better default. John Monahan 24-Jan-1996 1:53:44-GMT,1883;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA00982 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:53:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05971; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:28:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA05847 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:14:00 -0600 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 96 17:06:20 PST Message-Id: <9600238224.AA822438892@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: schuster@tidcompo.llnl.gov (John Schuster), pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Monitoring Distiller usage Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Distiller automatically creates a text file called messages.log which provides most of the information you are looking for. I suppose you could set up something to automatically parse this info into a spreadsheet or database for reporting purposes... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems Incorporated ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Monitoring Distiller usage Author: schuster@tidcompo.llnl.gov (John Schuster) at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/22/96 3:04 PM I have Network version of Distiller 2.1 for the Mac running on a server accessible by everyone in my department. I want to be able to accumulate data on who is using Distiller, when they are using it, size of files distilled, etc. Can anyone suggest a way to monitor usage statistics of Distiller in a situation like this? John A Schuster, Group Leader Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory P.O. Box 808, L-665 Livemore, CA 94551 (510) 424-6106, fax (510)423-1008 schuster@tidcompo.llnl.gov 24-Jan-1996 2:31:17-GMT,2172;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA01200 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:31:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA06397; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:12:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA06351 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:11:33 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:00:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199601232000.PAA22869@tequesta.gate.net> X-Sender: chrisl@pop.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-22-96 [V1 #140], David Brailsford reply X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) >In-Reply-To: <199601230550.XAA00818@grandcanyon.binc.net> >>From Peter Mathews >Computerstream Ltd >Manchester, UK > >David, you wrote in reply to a topic on PDF vs HTML: > >(c) We need *structured*, revisable PDF as soon as possible so > that the "bottom up" approach of PDF, starting with its > standard imaging model, can try to meet the structured "top down" > world of HTML, neatly and consistently, somewhere in the middle >... > >whilst I applaud all that is being said here, I again cringed when I read >that word **revisable** when used in conjunction with PDF. >I know it's coming, I've seen it in action, but one of Acrobat's great >plus points is that the data is inviolet and can't be messed with. > >Does anyone agree or is this a solo point. >Regards > >Peter Mathews. > Peter, your point is well taken but, after all, PDF is just a file format, not an encryption scheme, so it's just a matter of time before every word processor in existance reads and writes PDF. It would be nice if we could password protect this capability in the PDF, but at this point it would be up to the software manufacuters to honor the current PDF password locks. Chris Lane Computer Multimedia Productions Corp. 24-Jan-1996 3:03:31-GMT,2497;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA01428 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:03:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA06753; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:46:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA06720 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:45:00 -0600 From: thogan@cris.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 21:19:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601240219.VAA22498@franklin-fddi.cris.com> X-Authentication-Warning: franklin-fddi.cris.com: Host crc10-fddi.cris.com [199.3.12.190] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: thogan@mail.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-L@emrg.com Subject: PDF File Size?? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thogan@cris.com I'm using Acrobat to convert about 40,000 printed pages/month (about 60% through Capture and 40% from PageMaker/Quark through Distiller) for distribution on CD-ROM. To this point, I've been more concerned with getting files converted than file size, but now that that process is under control I'd like to work on the size issue. >From previous postings here, it sounds like fonts may be the biggest issue. Some specific questions (and please forgive my ignorance): 1) If font substitution helps reduce size, what fonts are native to Acrobat and the most efficient to use? 2) When and how is the best place to substitute fonts? In the PageMaker or Quark document, or distiller settings? And what about the documents going through Capture? 3) It's unlikely that we would be able to substitute all fonts without destroying the "look & feel" of the original documents. But instead of embedding fonts in each document (about 3,000) could we create some kind of expanded "Font Library" so the same fonts wouldn't have to be embedded in file after file? If so, how would I go about creating it and how would it be loaded? 4) Besides fonts, what else should I look at to reduce file size? 5) Lastly, I've heard that Amber is more efficient with font handling and file size. Does it make the above questions moot? When is it expected to be released? Thanks in advance for any help. Terry Hogan Product Development Coordinator Career Guidance Foundation 24-Jan-1996 6:23:45-GMT,2527;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA02778 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:23:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA08067; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:05:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA07987 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:04:26 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 19:58:03 PST Message-Id: <9600238223.AA822392133@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: schuster@tidcompo.llnl.gov (John Schuster), PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Monitoring Distiller usage Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com >I have Network version of Distiller 2.1 for the Mac running on a server> >accessible by everyone in my department. I want to be able to accumulate> >data on who is using Distiller, when they are using it, size of files >distilled, etc. >Can anyone suggest a way to monitor usage statistics of Distiller in a >situation like this? Yes! Distiller saves a log text file ("Messages.log") in its local directory recording usage in detail. Here's a sample: _____________________________________________________________________ Acrobat Distiller 2.1 for Power Macintosh Started: Saturday, September 9, 1995 at 8:20 AM PostScriptr version: 2012.017 Ended: Saturday, September 9, 1995 at 8:21 AM Acrobat Distiller 2.1 for Power Macintosh Started: Saturday, September 9, 1995 at 8:21 AM PostScriptr version: 2012.017 ConvertCMYKImagesToRGB false is current Distiller startup Distilling: ColorPage.eps Source: HardDisk325:AcroCMYKeps:ColorPage.eps Destination: HardDisk325:AcroCMYKeps:ColorPage.pdf Start Time: Saturday, September 9, 1995 at 8:22 AM Distill Time: 8 seconds (00:00:08) **** End of Job **** _____________________________________________________________________ You can also add your own messages by modifying the Distiller Startup file in its "Startup" directory (note the message above, "ConvertCMYKImagesToRGB false is current Distiller startup"). See the Startup file titled "Example.ps" for hints. You can add postscript here and "log" it to the Messages file. Distiller adds an entry to Messages each time a job is run, clipping the file above 16k. To monitor this file, write a script to see if it has changed, then export the chnages to a database or master log. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems 24-Jan-1996 18:53:46-GMT,1224;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA09112 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:53:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10916; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:29:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA10881 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:25:12 -0600 Message-Id: <9601241824.AA0403@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: Peter Mathews Cc: pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 23 Jan 96 9:03:29 EDT Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-22-96 [V1 #140], David Brailsford reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >one of Acrobat's great >plus points is that the data is inviolet and can't be messed with. > >Does anyone agree or is this a solo point. Why not allow either (locked or editable) - at the publisher's discretion? There certainly are applications for both. Bob Marsh Sony Software Services 24-Jan-1996 18:58:50-GMT,1224;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA09186 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:58:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA11044; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:44:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA11015 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:43:30 -0600 Message-Id: <9601241824.AA0403@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: Peter Mathews Cc: pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 23 Jan 96 9:03:29 EDT Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-22-96 [V1 #140], David Brailsford reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >one of Acrobat's great >plus points is that the data is inviolet and can't be messed with. > >Does anyone agree or is this a solo point. Why not allow either (locked or editable) - at the publisher's discretion? There certainly are applications for both. Bob Marsh Sony Software Services 24-Jan-1996 19:09:57-GMT,1510;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA09322 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:09:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11260; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:01:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA11222 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:01:15 -0600 X-Sender: todd@bway.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:59:02 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Subject: PDF & HTML/SGML/NHTML/SPDL Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) I have a question for those who are familiar with the debate surrounding public vs. proprietary file formats and PDLs vs. structural markup (all those ugly acronyms in the subject line): Wouldn't providing an easy means to generate and embed SGML-compliant text (like HTML) in PDFs address most objections to using PDF? Imagine if, say, PageMill and PageMaker could alike output hybrid PDF/HTML files? Or MS Word for that matter? Once Amber's on the scene, accessing either data type would be a matter of grabbing the right byterange. Any comment? ______________________________________________________________ Todd Fahrner fahrner@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner 24-Jan-1996 19:17:16-GMT,1151;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA09385 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:17:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11408; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:11:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA11379 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:10:32 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:08:42 -0500 From: Doug Hord Message-Id: <199601241908.AA11814@northshore.ecosoft.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Automating bookmark creation Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Doug Hord With Capture we are processing about 50 years of a Journal. An elaborate subject index of about 15000 articles that appeared in this journal is in Microsoft Access, representing 1000's of hours of labor. The question I want to throw out is whether it is possible to generate Table of Contents bookmarks in Exchange using Access as an OLE client. Thanks Doug Hord dhord@shore.net 24-Jan-1996 20:06:34-GMT,4585;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA10041 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:06:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA11775; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:00:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA11734 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:58:52 -0600 X-Sender: todd@bway.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:56:50 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Subject: re: PDF File Size?? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Terry Hogan asked: > 1) If font substitution helps reduce size, what fonts are native to >Acrobat and the most efficient to use? For the documents you're generating with Capture, this is a non-issue: I think you're stuck with Acrobat's substitution fonts, which are "native to Acrobat." For the documents you're distilling, you can: 1. Design the documents with most any fonts you want and tell Distiller not to embed them. This will compel Acrobat to use substitution fonts when the document is viewed or printed, and your file sizes will have little font-related fat. 2. Design the documents with whatever fonts you want and tell Distiller to embed the fonts. This will give you relatively big but design-true PDFs. 3. Design the document with the "standard 13" PostScript fonts (actually 14 by my count). These come with Acrobat. Times, Helvetica, Courier, Symbol, and Zapf Dingbats are your choices. Distiller won't embed these fonts, but your document will be viewable with them; i.e., they'll be design true and remain small. You can mix and match strategies 1, 2, or 3 for any document to fine-tune things. > 2) When and how is the best place to substitute fonts? In the >PageMaker or Quark document, or distiller settings? And what about the >documents going through Capture? *You* don't substitute fonts; Reader or Exchange do when they open files that call for fonts that are neither embedded nor otherwise available. You as the document creator determine Reader's behavior by either embedding fonts or not. As far as I know, Capture provides no mechanism for embedding fonts, so documents created by Capture will always appear with substitution fonts (correction appreciated if appropriate). > 3) It's unlikely that we would be able to substitute all fonts >without destroying the "look & feel" of the original documents. But instead >of embedding fonts in each document (about 3,000) could we create some kind >of expanded "Font Library" so the same fonts wouldn't have to be embedded in >file after file? >If so, how would I go about creating it and how would it be loaded? Again, this is only an issue for the PDFs you'll be distilling. As far as I know, there's no very robust way to build the sort of font library you describe. A Rube Goldberg device would be to create a single PDF with all the "library" fonts embedded in it (and called on page 1), and have readers open that PDF first. This will get as many as will fit into ATM's cache, so subsequently opened PDFs will render without substitutions. This is definitely a goofy idea, but it works in many circumstances. > 4) Besides fonts, what else should I look at to reduce file size? Lots of things, mostly. Study Distiller's and Capture's compression options. When you generate PostScript for distilling, be sure to turn off any "smoothing" options. The biggest and most potentially complex matter here is how the source documents are designed and constructed. It's not very meaningful to generalize about this, however; we're all design apprentices for a lifetime. > 5) Lastly, I've heard that Amber is more efficient with font >handling and file size. Does it make the above questions moot? When is it >expected to be released? I haven't heard whether Amber is more efficient in the ways you describe. When accessed remotely (as from the Web), Amber-optimized PDFs can be downloaded one-page-at-a-time, however, providing another kind of efficiency. Amber's due in a few months, with beta versions slated to be test-ready very soon on a few platforms. A beta's available now for Win95/NT. Best, ______________________________________________________________ Todd Fahrner fahrner@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner 25-Jan-1996 1:47:39-GMT,1898;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA13622 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13113; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:29:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA13012 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:21:05 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 19:17:56 PDT Message-Id: <9600248225.AA822532457@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Doug Hord , pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Automating bookmark creation Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com I'm working on a project like this with a magazine here in New York. Fairly simple. Convert the index infoermation in the databse into PDFMark and Distill it to generate a master PDF document with links to each of the pages in the PDF files you Captured. The trick here is that you need to predetermine your file naming conventions ahead of time so the links would go to the right place. I don't think you need to use OLE for this. Making the PDFMark file from the database is the key. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Automating bookmark creation From: Doug Hord at cc_smtp5 Date: 1/24/96 1:14 PM With Capture we are processing about 50 years of a Journal. An elaborate subject index of about 15000 articles that appeared in this journal is in Microsoft Access, representing 1000's of hours of labor. The question I want to throw out is whether it is possible to generate Table of Contents bookmarks in Exchange using Access as an OLE client. Thanks Doug Hord dhord@shore.net 25-Jan-1996 2:15:44-GMT,1421;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA13829 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:15:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13446; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:10:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA13402 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:08:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:05:27 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Clarke X-Sender: kclarke@ccnet3 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Bug in Reader search function? In-Reply-To: <199601240550.XAA07881@grandcanyon.binc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kyle Clarke In a PDF document, using reader 2.1, if I search for "$" or "$$", I can find it. But if I search for, say, "$$KSP" (and that is in the document), the search fails. Is this a bug in the reader's search function? Or is there a reason the search fails? Thanks, Kyle Clarke \|//////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\|/ - ====== kclarke@ccnet.com ===== http://www.ccnet.com/~kclarke/ - /|\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////////////////////////////|\ 25-Jan-1996 6:12:18-GMT,5460;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA15193 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:12:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA15144; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:08:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA15111 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:07:19 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:43:28 PST Message-Id: <9600248225.AA822537982@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: thogan@cris.com, pdf-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF File Size from Capture Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com A few quick suggestions on reducing size of Captured files: 1. Use Distiller rather than your layout program to "substitute" fonts. You have more control there, and Distiller is designed to do this well. 2. Try "re-Distilling" the PDF files generated by Capture; this can _significantly reduce file size. Open your PDF file, save to disk as PostScript, and reprocess it using Distiller! Two culprits here, images and word strings from PDFWriter. Consider: A. Images saved by Capture save at the _same resolution_ that they were scanned at oringinally. I usually scan for Capture at 500 dpi; that image data gets passed thru to its PDF output. Set Distiller's Image Resample choices to their default and test. B. Images in high resolution line art does not always view nicely on greyscale monitors becuase Acrobat Reader and Exchnage do not anti-alias monochrome images like the do gretscale and color. Test this out: insert the folowing Distiller Parameter code in Distiller's Startup folder and restart Distiller (save it there as a text file, called, say, "convgrey.ps". The title is irrelevant as long as it's a text file, anything is fine): << /DownsampleMonoImages true /MonoImageResolution 72 /MonoImageDepth 2 /EncodeGrayImages true /AntiAliasMonoImages true /GrayImageFilter /LZWEncode >> setdistillerparams This Distiller parameter instruction set specifys that monochrome images are to be downsampled to 72-dpi, converted to 2 bits per sample, and encoded using LZW compression. Note that, because the downsampled images are grayscale, the filter is specified using the grayscale, not the monochrome, image parameters. Also, assuming that the input image is a 300-dpi image, it will actually be downsampled to 75-dpi, the closest possible value to the 72- dpi requested. I belive this should seriously reduce file sizes if your pages have a lot of images, and improve legibilty at the same time. You might want to fool around with the MonoImageResolution parameter and try it at 96 and 150 to see the difference in size and legibility. More tech information is avaiulable on Adobe's Developer section on our web server, Tech Note #5151, Distiller Parameters. To return Distiller to normal line art behavior, just move this file from its Staup subdirectory. C. Word strings from PDFWriter: Distiller simply consolidates lines of text better than PDFWriter. It has a lot more horsepower available to do this. The same all-text PDF file generated by PDFWriter is typically larger than that generated by Distiller. Do check for errors, which might be caused by incorrect printer driver setting when generating the PostScript. Amber, when released, may have a more efficient way of handling embedded fonts: that's all we can say for now. When used over the Internet, there may even be some local caching of fonts as well. We'll see soon. Hope this helps! It's a little tech whizzy, but better well explained than not. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: PDF File Size?? From: thogan@cris.com at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/24/96 6:20 AM I'm using Acrobat to convert about 40,000 printed pages/month (about 60% through Capture and 40% from PageMaker/Quark through Distiller) for distribution on CD-ROM. To this point, I've been more concerned with getting files converted than file size, but now that that process is under control I'd like to work on the size issue. >From previous postings here, it sounds like fonts may be the biggest issue. Some specific questions (and please forgive my ignorance): 1) If font substitution helps reduce size, what fonts are native to Acrobat and the most efficient to use? 2) When and how is the best place to substitute fonts? In the PageMaker or Quark document, or distiller settings? And what about the documents going through Capture? 3) It's unlikely that we would be able to substitute all fonts without destroying the "look & feel" of the original documents. But instead of embedding fonts in each document (about 3,000) could we create some kind of expanded "Font Library" so the same fonts wouldn't have to be embedded in file after file? If so, how would I go about creating it and how would it be loaded? 4) Besides fonts, what else should I look at to reduce file size? 5) Lastly, I've heard that Amber is more efficient with font handling and file size. Does it make the above questions moot? When is it expected to be released? Thanks in advance for any help. Terry Hogan Product Development Coordinator Career Guidance Foundation 25-Jan-1996 13:17:33-GMT,1562;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA17981 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:17:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA17219; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:09:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA17183 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:06:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:06:38 GMT Message-Id: <199601251406.OAA10443@ns.access.ch> Subject: Font Embedding Problems From: Markus Vaterlaus To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Markus Vaterlaus >2. Design the documents with whatever fonts you want and tell Distiller to >embed the fonts. This will give you relatively big but design-true PDFs. As doing the above yesterday, I encountered a problem: Almost all fonts were embeded but two. Or at least it looks like this... I distilled the PDF from a PS-File generated in QXP. In Distiller fontembedding is turned on, no exceptions were allowed. If I send the PDF to an other Mac on our network, which has the used fonts not loaded, the words written in them won't display. Loading the fonts via suitcase helps, they are displayed. With all the other fonts, there is no problem. Strange, huh? Did anyone have a similar experience? Markus Vaterlaus mvaterlaus@mus.ch 25-Jan-1996 16:02:37-GMT,3228;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA19042 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:02:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA17773; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:56:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA17718 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:54:05 -0600 From: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) Message-Id: <9601251553.AA29916@wuecona.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: can't be messed with To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:53:45 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199601250550.XAA14923@grandcanyon.binc.net> from "owner-pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net" at Jan 24, 96 11:50:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) >From: Bob Marsh >Date: 23 Jan 96 9:03:29 EDT >Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-22-96 [V1 #140], David Brailsford reply > >>one of Acrobat's great >>plus points is that the data is inviolet and can't be messed with. >> >>Does anyone agree or is this a solo point. > >Why not allow either (locked or editable) - at the publisher's discretion? >There certainly are applications for both. >Bob Marsh >Sony Software Services Correct me if I am wrong, but unless you disable printing, you can take the pdf, print to postscript, distill the postscript into pdf and edit/mangle/mutilate whatever locking was done. And I think that Aladdin Ghostscript allows you to get around the locked printing but I have not tested that (yet). Edit locked will keep the ignorant/naive/neophytes from editing/mangling/multilating but a hacker can not be chained to viewing only. Hence to me locking is almost a *CRY* to edit/mangle/mutilate. Bob *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* # Economics Working Paper Archive # # http://econwpa.wustl.edu/wpawelcome.html # # gopher econwpa.wustl.edu # # # # Send a mail message (empty body) # # To: econ-wp@econwpa.wustl.edu # # Subject: get announce # *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Always remember: inertia has no effect on the ultimate steady state solution. NEVER remember: Keynes said in the long run we are all dead. *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Bob Parks Voice: (314) 935-5665 | | Department of Economics, Campus Box 1208 Fax: (314) 935-4156 | | Washington University | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, Missouri 63130-4899 bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu| *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* 25-Jan-1996 17:08:26-GMT,2167;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA19670 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17997; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:59:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA17955 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:56:35 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:55:55 GMT Message-Id: <199601251755.RAA12197@ns.access.ch> Subject: Font Embedding Problems From: Markus Vaterlaus To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Markus Vaterlaus >2. Design the documents with whatever fonts you want and tell Distiller to >embed the fonts. This will give you relatively big but design-true PDFs. As doing the above yesterday, I encountered a problem: Almost all = fonts were embeded but two. Or at least it looks like this... I distilled the PDF from a PS-File generated in QXP. In Distiller fontembedding is turned on, no exceptions were allowed. If I send the = PDF to an other Mac on our network, which has the used fonts not loaded, = the words written in them won't display. Loading the fonts via suitcase helps, they are displayed. With all the other fonts, there is no = problem. Strange, huh? Did anyone have a similar experience? Markus Vaterlaus mvaterlaus@mus.ch ----------------------------------------------------------------- Land & Laus GmbH St. Urbangasse 65/Postfach 120 Lest den "kuss"! 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Full details on the program have been posted to the EMERGE web site You may also request further information by sending e-mail to or by talking to one of our service representatives at 800-829-2459. Capture 1.01 evaluation copies will be available for shipment on or around February 1. Orders can be taken immediately. Glenn .-._.-._.-._._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.- Press release - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE EMERGE to Manage Acrobat Capture Evaluation Program:=20 Low-cost, 60-day trial of Adobe's document capture software Madison, WI - January 22, 1996 EMERGE, a Madison, Wisconsin-based information management=20 company, has announced a new evaluation program for Adobe Systems'=20 award-winning Acrobat Capture software used to convert hard-copy=20 documents into portable document format (PDF) files.=20 The program will be administered for Adobe exclusively in the United=20 States by EMERGE, one of the country's first Acrobat Capture service= bureaus.=20 Beginning today, interested parties can purchase a one-time, 60-day=20 trial copy of Capture from EMERGE for $150. (The new Capture 1.01 release=20 now runs under Microsoft Windows 3.11 and Windows 95.) After 60-days,=20 users who choose to keep the product will be invoiced for the purchase price= =20 (minus the evaluation participation fee) and will be shipped a fully= licensed=20 copy of the software. Those who opt not to purchase Capture must return all= =20 software and documentation within the allotted time period; the evaluation= =20 fee is not refundable. The newest member of the Adobe Acrobat family of software products,=20 Capture was introduced in April 1995 as powerful page recognition=20 technology that extends the benefits of the Adobe Acrobat family of products= =20 to paper-based documents. 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"Don't be surprised if a lot of users get hooked on Adobe's elegant=20 technology," Hoard wrote, describing new alliances with several third-party= =20 companies that will further enhance the integration of Capture into=20 customized, off-the-shelf document imaging and management systems.=20 Using Adobe Acrobat software as its core technology, EMERGE=20 specializes in the tools and methods of electronic information handling,=20 including the creation, conversion, indexing, searching, sharing and=20 distribution of digital documents. Andrew Young, CEO, says his company currently is working with=20 several Fortune 500 customers to convert large quantities of printed= materials=20 into PDF format with Capture. He believes the product offers tremendous=20 potential to organizations of all sizes to turn backfile materials into valuable resources, reducing space needs and providing for ease of distribution of a=20 company's most significant asset - its information.=20 "The Capture evaluation program is an ideal way for us to introduce=20 users to the power and flexibility of Adobe's Acrobat technology," says= Young,=20 a select beta tester of Capture and other Acrobat products. "We are= delighted=20 that Adobe has chosen EMERGE to administer this program. This will allow=20 users the ability to evaluate the power of Capture on their own desktops,= with=20 their own documents at a very low cost."=20 For more information: EMERGE=20 579 D'Onofrio Drive, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph: 800.829.2459 or 608.829.3454 FAX: 608.829.3561 email: info@emrg.com WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ PDF-L discussion list: send to: body of message: subscribe PDF-L =20 -or- Rick Brown Adobe Systems Incorporated=AA WWW: http://www.adobe.com/ Ph: 415.962.6060 **Adobe, Acrobat and Capture are trademarks of Adobe Systems Incorporated=20 and may be registered in certain jurisdictions.** +----------------------------------------------------------+=20 | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | =20 | EMERGE | = =20 | Knowledge In Motion | =20 |----------------------------------------------------------| =20 | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | =20 | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | =20 | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+=20 Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions =20 Acrobat Capture Service Bureau = =20 26-Jan-1996 8:45:16-GMT,1678;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA28329 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 01:45:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA21707; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 02:27:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA21673 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 02:24:55 -0600 Message-Id: <31089050.167@deltanet.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:26:56 -0800 From: "David P. Dugan" Reply-To: bezonian@deltanet.com Organization: Bezonian Design Works X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Best Fonts for Acrobat? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "David P. Dugan" Hello all. When at MacWorld Expo, I asked one of the guys from Adobe what the best fonts were to use in order not to have to embed them in the distiller. What I mean is, the Acrobat Reader comes with the Adobe Sans & Adobe Serif typefaces, specifically to act like fonts that weren't embedded in pdf files. Since they do a pretty damn good job, I asked him which fonts were most easily duplicated by these special typefaces. Myriad? Adobe Garamond? He said he knew just the guy to ask and would e-mail me, but unfortunately, I've had no response. Does anyone know the answer to this? Thanks. David P. Dugan Bezonian Design Works Tustin, California bezonian@deltanet.com 26-Jan-1996 10:27:13-GMT,1453;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA28670 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 03:27:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA22184; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 04:10:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA22151 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 04:09:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199601261009.EAA28406@glacier.binc.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 10:02:14 GMT From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: [Bob Parks: Re: can't be messed with] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford > Correct me if I am wrong, but unless you disable printing, you can take the > pdf, print to postscript, distill the postscript into pdf and > edit/mangle/mutilate whatever locking was done. And I think that Aladdin > Ghostscript allows you to get around the locked printing but I have not > tested that (yet). Quite so. Any encrypted, or locked, PDF document which still allows printing can be "got at", quite straightforwardly, by capturing and re-distilling the PostScript generated by the print driver. The only way to make this harder (for those who really care) would be to develop a range of printers that accept encrypted PostScript. David Brailsford 26-Jan-1996 15:20:16-GMT,2185;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA00251 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:20:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA23028; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:55:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA22991 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:53:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:52:53 -0500 X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@postoffice.brown.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bezonian@deltanet.com From: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) Subject: Re: Best Fonts for Acrobat? Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) >When at MacWorld Expo, I asked one of the guys from Adobe what the best >fonts were to use in order not to have to embed them in the distiller. >What I mean is, the Acrobat Reader comes with the Adobe Sans & Adobe >Serif typefaces, specifically to act like fonts that weren't embedded in >pdf files. David, As you may have guessed, the best fonts to use would be any of the base 14 (not 13) fonts. The fonts come with any of the Acrobat viewer applications (Exchange and Reader). Those fonts are never embedded by the Distiller (even if you tell it to embed the fonts), and you can be sure of excellent reproduction by your users since the fonts come with all Acrobat viewers. As for other fonts that may be fauxed by an Acrobat viewer (through Adobe Type Manager) and match the original font as closely as possible, you might try Adobe Myriad and Minion which are what the Adobe Sans and Serif Multiple Master typefaces are losely based upon. Otherwise you'll need to try the quality of a fauxed font on a case-by-case basis. Gordon _________________________________________ Gordon Kent Media & Technology Coordinator THE EDUCATION ALLIANCE @ Brown University 144 Wayland Ave, Providence RI 02906 401/274-9548 http://www.brown.edu/Research/The_Education_Alliance/ 26-Jan-1996 17:07:16-GMT,1605;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA01643 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:07:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23396; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:58:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA23361 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:57:00 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 26 Jan 1996 11:59:20 +0000 From: "Tom Luba" Subject: Error messages To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Tom Luba" Subject: Error messages Date: 1/26/96 Time: 11:46 AM Greetings: Pardon this question from an Acrobat novice, but, can anyone tell me why I get the following error messages and blank pdf document pages when I try and open some pdf files with Acrobat Reader 2.1? I have installed the program correctly. It only happens on some documents. It does not happen on any documents I distill myself using Distiller 2.0. I have a PowerMac 7100/66 and have tried increasing the memory size above the suggested 4485K (I have 25 MB RAM on my Mac.) Acrobat Search and Weblink plug-ins are installed. Error Messages: There was an error processing a page. Operation or data too complex. An unrecognizable token ' ' was found. Thanks in advance for any help! Tom Luba Purdue University 317-494-8414 luba@ecn.purdue.edu 26-Jan-1996 18:02:48-GMT,1475;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA02205 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23634; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:49:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23596 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:47:55 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: > 26 Jan 95 11:44:13 PST Message-Id: <9600268226.AA822678017@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: [Bob Parks: Re: can't be messed with] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com >Quite so. Any encrypted, or locked, PDF document which still allows printing >can be "got at", quite straightforwardly, by capturing and re-distilling the >PostScript generated by the print driver. The only way to make this >harder (for those who really care) would be to develop a range of >printers that accept encrypted PostScript. The CIA might want a few hundred, but it wouldn't be very secure on a network with other secure printers! Just scam the packets and replay them. Unless the printer driver established a temporary key and re-encoded the print stream to a particular printer in a secure session. While we're at it, let's print it in toner that can't be photocopied! Gary Cosimini 26-Jan-1996 18:11:23-GMT,3177;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA02291 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:11:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23717; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:53:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23682 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:52:50 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: > 26 Jan 95 12:19:15 PST Message-Id: <9600268226.AA822678358@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: bezonian@deltanet.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Best Fonts for Acrobat? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com David: Adobe Sans and Serif are very similar to Minion and Myriad. But please allow me a brief rant... ;-} That said, similarity does not make them the best fonts per se with which to design. You shouldn't design for Acrobat, per se, but for your presentation and storage medium: how it looks, what it makes you feel, and how the user gets and uses it. This is complex enough an equation that a simple answer--use Myriad and Minion-- isn't accurate. Mac or PC or UNIX? CD or Online distribution? Vertical or horizontal presentation? 4 bit or higher monitors? 13 inch or 19 inch screen? The "deconstructionist approach" to information design, which HTML provides, recommends the user determine the presentation. Right. How many times per day do you change Netscape's font preferences? Why does every decent looking web site rely on so many bitmaps? And how many HTML pages do you see with a horizontal aspect ratio? That's why there's no fixed answer. Also, improvements in technology alter these criteria constantly: what was a fast modem two years ago is slow today. Small type on screen is 1 pixel wide at reading sizes but will soon be antialiased. Etc etc. Rant over! Putting on my practical hat, though, I'd limit myself to one or two font families per document, embed the most important one and let Acrobat substitute the rest. The resolution of screens and home printers is so low that many typographical distinction appropraite to high-resolution graphic arts are lost. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Best Fonts for Acrobat? From: bezonian@deltanet.com at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/26/96 12:36 AM Hello all. When at MacWorld Expo, I asked one of the guys from Adobe what the best fonts were to use in order not to have to embed them in the distiller. What I mean is, the Acrobat Reader comes with the Adobe Sans & Adobe Serif typefaces, specifically to act like fonts that weren't embedded in pdf files. Since they do a pretty damn good job, I asked him which fonts were most easily duplicated by these special typefaces. Myriad? Adobe Garamond? He said he knew just the guy to ask and would e-mail me, but unfortunately, I've had no response. Does anyone know the answer to this? Thanks. David P. Dugan Bezonian Design Works Tustin, California bezonian@deltanet.com 26-Jan-1996 19:09:01-GMT,2140;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA03032 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:08:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA24144; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:58:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA24107 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:55:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:22:38 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brailsford X-Sender: dfb@quiver To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF & HTML/SGML/NHTML/SPDL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David Brailsford On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Todd wrote: > > Wouldn't providing an easy means to generate and embed SGML-compliant text > (like HTML) in PDFs address most objections to using PDF? Imagine if, say, > PageMill and PageMaker could alike output hybrid PDF/HTML files? Or MS Word > for that matter? Once Amber's on the scene, accessing either data type > would be a matter of grabbing the right byterange. Any comment? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Todd Fahrner > fahrner@pobox.com > http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner > > Yes -- this is the sort of thing that was being done (I think) with the Adobe/Avalanche joint project three years ago (which seems to have gone completely off the boil since Avalanche was taken over by Imagen ...) The idea was to embed SGML tags and text within the pDF alongside the corresponding chunks of PDF imageable content. I'm sure the Acrobat Engineering team are only too well aware of the benefits that a structure option would bring to PDF and I hope that we'll see it at some stage. For a start it would greatly facilitate the revisability of PDF (provided that Jim Cook's much wanted "no-editing" lock had not been activated). David Brailsford 26-Jan-1996 22:18:52-GMT,1301;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA05137 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:16:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24768; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:03:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA24733 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:01:18 -0600 From: brent.bailey@mosby.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 15:57:38 CST Message-Id: <9600268227.AA822700717@smtp-gw.mosby.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com, fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Subject: Acrobat Catalog -- now part of Pro? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: brent.bailey@mosby.com I just saw on Adobe's web site, on the Acrobat overview page, down where it lists the contents of each product, and under the contents of Acrobat Pro it says that, in addition to everything in Exchange and the Distiller, that Acrobat Catalog is now part of Acrobat Pro. Since I just bought Pro a month ago, I called Adobe hoping that I could get some sort of deal (or free) on catalog, but they said they were unaware of this. Has anybody else heard anything? 26-Jan-1996 22:25:59-GMT,1582;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA05267 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:25:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24981; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:16:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA24941 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:15:38 -0600 Reply-To: dlarkin@Auspex.com@auspex.com X-Sender: dlarkin@auspex.auspex.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:15:24 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) Subject: Re: Acrobat Catalog -- now part of Pro? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) I just received my Acroboat Pro 2.1 today and sure enough, I was surprised to find Catalog inside. Call Adobe back and try again. -doug > I just saw on Adobe's web site, on the Acrobat overview page, down > where it lists the contents of each product, and under the contents of > Acrobat Pro it says that, in addition to everything in Exchange and > the Distiller, that Acrobat Catalog is now part of Acrobat Pro. > Since I just bought Pro a month ago, I called Adobe hoping that I > could get some sort of deal (or free) on catalog, but they said they > were unaware of this. Has anybody else heard anything? 26-Jan-1996 22:36:42-GMT,1127;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA05401 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:36:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA25073; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:20:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA25038 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:20:09 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:02:02 U From: Blankenship-CIC-TI Subject: Catalog Questions To: PDF Question X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Blankenship-CIC-TI Catalog 2.1 for Macintosh provides the ability to create "Custom Fields." This feature is found under Preferences. Once custom fields have been created how are they applied to documents? Also, how can the default field names be changed? Thanks for any help----Bob Blankenship 26-Jan-1996 22:49:40-GMT,2038;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA05584 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:49:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA25406; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:38:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA25376 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:37:57 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960126223702.008fe9c8@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: bnielsen@merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:37:02 -0600 To: brent.bailey@mosby.com From: Brian Nielsen Subject: Re: Acrobat Catalog -- now part of Pro? Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brian Nielsen > I just saw on Adobe's web site, on the Acrobat overview page, down > where it lists the contents of each product, and under the contents of > Acrobat Pro it says that, in addition to everything in Exchange and > the Distiller, that Acrobat Catalog is now part of Acrobat Pro. I heard this morning from Adobe Midwest Educational rep (Peggy Snyder) that Catalog is becoming part of the bundle and that the educational price is going up $100 at the same time. In my view that is not so good ... we have a LOT more faculty ready to use Exchange and perhaps Distiller, but I don't see the corresponding interest in Catalog, at least as yet. Brian Nielsen Brian Nielsen, Ph.D. Networked Resources Coordinator Learning Technologies Group Academic Technologies Northwestern University 2129 N. Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2850 (708)491-2170 fax:(708)491-3842 email: b-nielsen@nwu.edu http://www.nwu.edu/people/b-nielsen 27-Jan-1996 2:00:29-GMT,1405;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA07505 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA26321; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:54:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA26279 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:52:06 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:47:54 PST Message-Id: <9600258226.AA822608613@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: PDF-DIGEST for January-22-96 [V1 #140], David Brails Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com >Peter, your point is well taken but, after all, PDF is just a file format, >not an encryption scheme, so it's just a matter of time before every word >processor in existance reads and writes PDF. It would be nice if we could >password protect this capability in the PDF, but at this point it would be >up to the software manufacuters to honor the current PDF password locks. Time for my two cents! %-} PDF's securitye based on encoding using RSA encryption, so it's not up to the developer per se. A protected document is protected unless the "user" has access to the key. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY 27-Jan-1996 9:39:55-GMT,1100;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA10477 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 02:39:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA29559; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 03:22:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA29320 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 03:15:09 -0600 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 04:14:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199601270914.EAA18309@freenet3.carleton.ca> From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Fauxed fonts Reply-To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) In one of the previous postings to the list, "fauxed fonts" were mentioned. Can someone explain? Best... John -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS Geological Survey of Canada and Ohana Productions 27-Jan-1996 18:24:08-GMT,1202;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA12256 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:24:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA31393; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:54:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA31359 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:51:43 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960127175158.006b6534@wimsey.com> X-Sender: pbake@wimsey.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:51:58 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Paul Baker Subject: [Bob Parks: Re: can't be messed with] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Paul Baker FreeHand 5.5 on the Mac does a nice job of opening and editing Acrobat PDF files, especially if you have the fonts that were used. I haven't tried it with any "encrypted" PDF files. If I had a signature this is where it would be! Here's where my Web page is --> http://www.wimsey.com/~pbake 27-Jan-1996 22:56:49-GMT,1671;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA13678 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:56:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA32422; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:12:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA32382 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:08:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199601272208.QAA25611@falcon.inetnebr.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:08:23 +0008 Subject: Offended by IMdict? Reply-to: snake@inetnebr.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" This is an interesting problem: I'm using 3.0 Adobe Persausion and want to export the handouts and notes to PDF for downline distribution. Using the [Default Abode Printer] to generate a PS file for Distiller, about the first have of the file will be "distilled" when "whammo" I get "offending instruction IMdict." The work around is to use PDF writer (icky) but I'm surprise that Adobe has caught the bug (feature?) yet. Any other ideas? Snake ~~~~~~~~~~~~:> Kent "Snake" Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake --------------------------------------------------- "The sad thing about artificial intelligence is that it lacks artifice and therefore intelligence." -- Jean Baudrillard 28-Jan-1996 0:04:42-GMT,1401;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA14021 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:04:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00220; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:34:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA00186 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:32:14 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199601270550.XAA27592@grandcanyon.binc.net> References: Conversation <199601270550.XAA27592@grandcanyon.binc.net> with last message <199601270550.XAA27592@grandcanyon.binc.net> Read-Receipt-To: Trevor Pervin Priority: Urgent To: pdf-l@emrg.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Trevor Pervin Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for January-26-96 [V1 #144] Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 22:58:17 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Trevor Pervin Hi Does anyone know of a way of exporting individual stories/text from an Acrobat page created from a newspaper. It would help if this could be done in batch mode Yours Trevor Pervin trevor.pervin@dial.pipex.com 28-Jan-1996 9:01:58-GMT,1337;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA16785 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 02:01:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA04492; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 02:38:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA04458 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 02:35:28 -0600 X-Sender: hal9001@popserver.panix.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Mac Eudora Pro 2.1.4b10 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 03:38:09 -0500 To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca From: "Robert A. Rosenberg" Subject: Re: Fauxed fonts Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Robert A. Rosenberg" At 4:14 1/27/96, John V Matthews Jr. wrote: >In one of the previous postings to the list, "fauxed fonts" were >mentioned. Can someone explain? These are also called Knock-Off fonts. They are Fonts that look like well known fonts but are not exact duplicates and thus do not need to be Licenced (and can not used the Registered Names). The fonts you get from the Key-Fonts Package are examples. 28-Jan-1996 15:40:24-GMT,1641;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA17887 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA06096; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:09:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06022 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:02:31 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:02:26 +0100 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: r-sadki@worldnet.net (R Sadki) Subject: Distiller 2.1 problem: Colored TIFFs lose their color Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: r-sadki@worldnet.net (R Sadki) Using the Acrobat Distiller PPD, I produced a PDF with some greyscale TIFFs which had been colored (ie assigned a Pantone ink). The TIFFs show up as GREYSCALE ONLY (B&W) in the PDF. I then tried to export the TIFFs from Photoshop as EPS and even as monotone (using the Multitone option) EPS, but got the same result. =46inally, I placed the greyscale TIFFs in FreeHand 5.5, assigned them a color in FH, exported as EPS, and distilled that. Same loss of color in the final PDF! Any help will be appreciated. I need a solution which will work in a production environment, as colored TIFFs are a regular feature of the work. Please e-mail responses to r-sadki@worldnet.net, in addition to posting to the list. R Sadki 28-Jan-1996 20:27:40-GMT,2142;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA19104 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:27:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA07182; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:57:03 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA07134 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:55:10 -0600 Message-Id: <310BE268.5FDE@namdalsnett.no> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:54:00 +0000 From: Reidar Nygard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: PDF mailingliste Subject: Printing PDF-files Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Reidar Nygard As a typographer and consultant i Norway I have established a connection between a newspaper that produce the pages in Quark XPress on PC and transfers in PDF-format to a newspaper that uses Mac. We use the addPS extension to print the different colors in correct angles on the Agfa Select 5000. We will now install a similar solution for AD-exchange in several different newspapers in Norway. The main objective with this solution is, beside the advantages of the pdf-technology itself, to be able to place the ads on the Quark pages before printing. I have experimeneted with the Laserwriter 8.3 driver to generate a placeable EPS-file, and this seems to work on grayscale ads, but I haven4t managed to get color separations from Quark of an EPS file generated in this manner. Does anyone know a way to make this work? For example a different PPD file to the Laserwriter driver, or?... Where does the color information get lost or converted to grayscale? Does there exist a addPS plug in for Windows, and if so, where can I find it? I would be very grateful if anyone could answer these questions. Thank you Reidar Nygard Graphical production and consultant services E-mail: reidarny@namdalsnett.no 28-Jan-1996 22:49:26-GMT,1810;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA19793 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:49:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07747; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:17:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07712 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:15:54 -0600 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:15:24 -0500 X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@postoffice.brown.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) Subject: Re: Fauxed fonts Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) >At 4:14 1/27/96, John V Matthews Jr. wrote: > >>In one of the previous postings to the list, "fauxed fonts" were >>mentioned. Can someone explain? > >These are also called Knock-Off fonts. They are Fonts that look like well >known fonts but are not exact duplicates and thus do not need to be >Licenced (and can not used the Registered Names). The fonts you get from >the Key-Fonts Package are examples. Some confusion with the term here... In my original post, "fauxed fonts" refered to fonts that are *not* embedded in a PDF file so Adobe Type Manager produces a special serif and sans serif font to retain the width and height of the original font. One might also call them substitute fonts... Gordon _________________________________________ Gordon Kent Media & Technology Coordinator THE EDUCATION ALLIANCE @ Brown University 144 Wayland Ave, Providence RI 02906 401/274-9548 http://www.brown.edu/Research/The_Education_Alliance/ 29-Jan-1996 15:12:39-GMT,2118;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA25211 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA11965; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:05:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA11921 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:00:44 -0600 From: "Walton, Marietta" To: "pdf-l@emrg.com" Subject: image files Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:58:00 CST Message-ID: <310CE0FE@bfamail.oba.uiuc.edu> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Walton, Marietta" I need advice from the wise and this seems to be the place to ask. I used Acrobat Exchange 2.0 to convert our business policy manual to pdf format and make it available on the internet to university employees. I work with a PC. The original documents were created with WordPerfect 6.0a. The final location of the pdf files for internet availability is a UNIX server. Users have the option to search the manual using the search machine of that server. The problem is that some files are not "selected" by the search machine because they read as "image" and not text. The reason, for some of the files, could be that some pages contain scanned forms and perhaps the whole document was saved as image only. But some other files have nothing but pure regular text and were printed to Acrobat in the same manner other documents (with no problems) were. What could be turning these documents into images? I would appreciate your comments since nobody else seems to have an answer for me around here. Marietta Walton Project Coordinator University of Illinois Office of Business & Financial Affairs 346 Henry Administration Building (MC-356) 506 S. Wright St. Urbana, IL 61801 e-mail: mwalton@uiuc.edu (217) 244-4919 (office phone) (217) 244-5821 (office fax) 29-Jan-1996 16:08:56-GMT,1503;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA25816 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:08:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12291; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:02:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA12222 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:58:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:54:50 EST From: "itr" Encoding: 17 Text Message-Id: <9600298229.AA822941844@relay1.proteon.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, framers@uunet.uu.net Subject: Color Type Problem Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "itr" I am using Frame 5.01 and Acrobat Pro with the Distiller. I am creating the text on a 19-inch monitor but am checking the viewing of the text with a 14-inch monitor and find there is a big discrepency in the color. I want to use blue text for the links and find that the default blue looks almost black on the 14-inch monitor. I would really like a sharp royal blue that shows up. PMS 284 has enough contrast with black but is not very bright. I have tried to mix colors but haven't hit on any that are very bright and show up will on the 14-inch monitor. Any suggestions?? Please advise. Thanks. Irene Rubin 29-Jan-1996 18:23:33-GMT,2501;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA27253 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:23:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA12820; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:10:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA12783 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:08:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:07:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199601291807.KAA07105@birch> From: Scott Byer To: pdf-l@emrg.com CC: Gordon_Kent@brown.edu (Gordon Kent) In-reply-to: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu's message of 28 Jan 1996 14:31:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Fauxed fonts X-Location: Mountain View, CA X-Disclaimer: My opinions, not my employer's. X-Newsreader: gnus X-Emacs: 19.30.1 References: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Scott Byer Gordon Kent writes: Gordon> In my original post, "fauxed fonts" refered to fonts that are *not* Gordon> embedded in a PDF file so Adobe Type Manager produces a special Gordon> serif and sans serif font to retain the width and height of the Gordon> original font. One might also call them substitute fonts... Substitute fonts are consed up using Multiple Master technology, and a fonts database. The fonts database contains information about many, many font programs. The information the database contains is enough such that ATM can manipulate the two specially-designed Multiple Master font programs (AdobeSans and AdobeSerif) character by character in order to produce a resonable looking substitute. The goal is to put together the substitute font in such a way as to preserve the character spacing and overall "color" of the page. While the result isn't is good as the document reciever actually having the original font program, it is far better than most alternatives, such as picking a specific font to substitute with, or picking a "close" font to substitute with. -- Scott Byer mailto:byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are my opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === === 29-Jan-1996 19:14:08-GMT,2044;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA00226 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:13:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13146; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:02:03 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA13113 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:01:12 -0600 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:00:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199601291900.LAA05426@neon.mv.us.adobe.com> X-Sender: mccoy@neon.mv.us.adobe.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: mccoy@mv.us.adobe.com (Bill McCoy) Subject: Re: Fauxed fonts Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mccoy@mv.us.adobe.com (Bill McCoy) Scott Byer writes: >Substitute fonts are consed up using Multiple Master technology, and a fonts >database. The fonts database contains information about many, many font >programs. The information the database contains is enough such that ATM can >manipulate the two specially-designed Multiple Master font programs >(AdobeSans and AdobeSerif) character by character in order to produce a >resonable looking substitute... A clarification: the process of font substitution is as Scott described, but Acrobat font substitution works with *any* typeface, not just those in the ATM font database, and works whether or not this database is present (in fact, the trend is as per Windows Exchange/Reader 2.1 to embed Type 1 scaler support so as to make Acrobat work whether or not ATM is installed in the system). PDF font resources include font descriptors and widths, the same information that is in the ATM font database. The font database is used by Super-ATM to provide substitution support for "normal" GDI/QuickDraw applications, since these applications just provide a font name to the system. --Bill Bill McCoy mccoy@mv.us.adobe.com 29-Jan-1996 22:03:57-GMT,2211;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA16491 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:03:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA13934; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:47:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA13885 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:44:31 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960129214638.002cec68@pop.maxwell.syr.edu> X-Sender: mbonney@pop.maxwell.syr.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:46:38 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: "Martha W. Bonney" Subject: Beginning Acrobat Distiller questions Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Martha W. Bonney" A couple of weeks ago I started using Acrobat Distiller on PostScript print-to-file files of working papers that we created for ftp transfer several months ago. No problems. 1. Since those files were created, we've moved from Windows 3.1 to Windows NT, and I no longer have access to the old Texas Instruments printer driver that I used to create the PostScript files. Nor is there a generic PostScript printer driver in Windows NT that our network supervisor can identify. Now, when I try to generate PS files using, for example, an HP4 driver, the Distiller output is only one page, instead of the document's 8 pages. 2. The document I'm trying to Distill is a newsletter in column format. The one page that does Distill has a shadow in the upper lefthand corner that looks like a thumbnail of the whole page superimposed on the page. Do either of these problems sound familiar, and does someone have suggestions about how to solve them? I'd appreciate your help. Martha W. Bonney Publications and Events Coordinator, Center for Policy Research, and Assistant to the Director, All-University Gerontology Center 426 Eggers Hall, Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 13244-1090 (315) 443-2703 | FAX (315) 443-1081 WWW address: http://gerosun.syr.edu 29-Jan-1996 22:28:30-GMT,2848;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA16715 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:28:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14189; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:16:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA14155 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:15:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:07:35 +1100 Message-Id: <199601292207.JAA29993@magna.com.au> X-Sender: larke@magna.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Annette Larke Subject: Re: Fauxed fonts Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Annette Larke Does anyone know if the two Adobe fonts, AdobeSans and AdobeSerif can be used in word processors and desktop publishing programmes such as Word and PageMaker. It seems to me that the best way to ensure that what you create in your WP or desktop publisher is as close as possible to what is displayed on Acrobat is to use these two fonts for creation of documents. Any suggestions appreciated. Annette Larke At 10:07 29/01/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Gordon Kent writes: > >Gordon> In my original post, "fauxed fonts" refered to fonts that are *not* >Gordon> embedded in a PDF file so Adobe Type Manager produces a special >Gordon> serif and sans serif font to retain the width and height of the >Gordon> original font. One might also call them substitute fonts... > >Substitute fonts are consed up using Multiple Master technology, and a fonts >database. The fonts database contains information about many, many font >programs. The information the database contains is enough such that ATM can >manipulate the two specially-designed Multiple Master font programs >(AdobeSans and AdobeSerif) character by character in order to produce a >resonable looking substitute. The goal is to put together the substitute >font in such a way as to preserve the character spacing and overall "color" >of the page. While the result isn't is good as the document reciever >actually having the original font program, it is far better than most >alternatives, such as picking a specific font to substitute with, or picking >a "close" font to substitute with. > >-- >Scott Byer mailto:byer@mv.us.adobe.com >Adobe Systems Incorporated These are my opinions, and >1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect >Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. >=== === > > > 29-Jan-1996 23:42:19-GMT,1514;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA17513 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:42:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14694; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:28:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA14652 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:27:13 -0600 From: michaelm@ihs.com.au Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 09:40:46 Encoding: 782 Text Message-Id: <9600308230.AA823023646@hinton.ihs.com.au> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat capture problems Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: michaelm@ihs.com.au Dear All, I would be grateful for any advice regarding problems with Adobe Capture. We are attempting to convert documents to PDF using Capture but are having trouble getting Capture to recognise substantial amounts of the text scanned. We have spent considerable time adjusting our scanner controls and Capture itself but to no avail. As far as we can see the main problem is that the originals are of less than ideal quality. The characters are faded or blurred in may cases due to numerous photocopying efforts by suppliers of the documents. If anyone has any ideas it would be appreciated... Cheers, Michael Mills Multimedia Development, IHS AUSTRALIA 30-Jan-1996 1:11:46-GMT,2791;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA18406 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:11:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA15202; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:57:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA15167 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:56:35 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960130005407.0074b7b8@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:54:07 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Acrobat capture problems Cc: michaelm@ihs.com.au Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert > I would be grateful for any advice regarding problems with Adobe > Capture. We are attempting to convert documents to PDF using Capture > but are having trouble getting Capture to recognise substantial > amounts of the text scanned. We have spent considerable time adjusting > our scanner controls and Capture itself but to no avail. > > As far as we can see the main problem is that the originals are of > less than ideal quality. The characters are faded or blurred in may > cases due to numerous photocopying efforts by suppliers of the > documents. Hate to say it...but sounds like a GIGO scenario....."garbage in garbage out". You can't expect Capture to recognize obscure text or text that just isn't there. About the only advise I can give you is to try some of the software packages on the market that attempt to clean-up the scanned TIFs. I frequently use ScanFix from Sequoia Software as it provides a host of options for improving the TIFs before you hand them off to Capture for processing. GLG +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 30-Jan-1996 2:58:24-GMT,5348;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA19119 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:58:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA15897; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:52:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA15861 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:50:40 -0600 From: thogan@cris.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:49:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601300249.VAA11433@franklin-fddi.cris.com> X-Authentication-Warning: franklin-fddi.cris.com: Host crc10-fddi.cris.com [199.3.12.190] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: thogan@mail.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF File Size from Capture Cc: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thogan@cris.com I've experimented with some of Gary Cosimini's suggestions (below) with dramatic results--up to 45% reduction in PDF file size! Some of the tests resulted in unacceptable quality bitmapped words, but I'm confident that we can tweak the settings to get acceptable results. But of course the experiments raised a few more questions: 1) The re-distilled files lost all their links, bookmarks, cropping, etc. Is there a way to maintain these through redistilling? 2) We re-distilled a file that was a PageMaker file conversion and had already been through the Distiller once. Surprisingly, it came out over 40% smaller than the original with no discernable difference in quality. Does that mean re-distilling already distilled PDFs will result in smaller file? 3) How important is the PostScript Printer driver & settings in this process? I recently converted to Win95 and I know longer have a generic PostScript driver or an Acrobat Distiller driver. For some of my tests I used and Apple Laserwriter driver because I knew it supported PS, but is there a recommended driver(and/or) for printing PDF documents to PS? Again, thanks for any suggestions. >A few quick suggestions on reducing size of Captured files: > >1. Use Distiller rather than your layout program to "substitute" fonts. You have >more control there, and Distiller is designed to do this well. > > >2. Try "re-Distilling" the PDF files generated by Capture; this can >_significantly reduce file size. Open your PDF file, save to disk as PostScript, >and reprocess it using Distiller! Two culprits here, images and word strings >from PDFWriter. Consider: > > >A. Images saved by Capture save at the _same resolution_ that they were scanned >at oringinally. I usually scan for Capture at 500 dpi; that image data gets >passed thru to its PDF output. Set Distiller's Image Resample choices to their >default and test. > > >B. Images in high resolution line art does not always view nicely on greyscale >monitors becuase Acrobat Reader and Exchnage do not anti-alias monochrome images >like the do gretscale and color. Test this out: insert the folowing Distiller >Parameter code in Distiller's Startup folder and restart Distiller (save it >there as a text file, called, say, "convgrey.ps". The title is irrelevant as >long as it's a text file, anything is fine): > ><< /DownsampleMonoImages true >/MonoImageResolution 72 >/MonoImageDepth 2 >/EncodeGrayImages true >/AntiAliasMonoImages true >/GrayImageFilter /LZWEncode >>> setdistillerparams > >This Distiller parameter instruction set specifys that monochrome images are to >be downsampled to 72-dpi, converted to 2 bits per sample, and encoded using LZW >compression. Note that, because the downsampled images are grayscale, the filter >is specified using the grayscale, not the monochrome, image parameters. Also, >assuming that the input image is a 300-dpi image, it will actually be >downsampled to 75-dpi, the closest possible value to the 72- dpi requested. > >I belive this should seriously reduce file sizes if your pages have a lot of >images, and improve legibilty at the same time. You might want to fool around >with the MonoImageResolution parameter and try it at 96 and 150 to see the >difference in size and legibility. > >More tech information is avaiulable on Adobe's Developer section on our web >server, Tech Note #5151, Distiller Parameters. > >To return Distiller to normal line art behavior, just move this file from its >Staup subdirectory. > > >C. Word strings from PDFWriter: Distiller simply consolidates lines of text >better than PDFWriter. It has a lot more horsepower available to do this. The >same all-text PDF file generated by PDFWriter is typically larger than that >generated by Distiller. Do check for errors, which might be caused by incorrect >printer driver setting when generating the PostScript. > > >Amber, when released, may have a more efficient way of handling embedded fonts: >that's all we can say for now. When used over the Internet, there may even be >some local caching of fonts as well. We'll see soon. > >Hope this helps! It's a little tech whizzy, but better well explained than not. > >Gary Cosimini >Adobe Systems NY Terry Hogan Product Development Coordinator Career Guidance Foundation 30-Jan-1996 5:21:48-GMT,7726;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA20134 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:21:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA16593; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:13:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA16555 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:11:26 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960130050852.00727e30@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:08:52 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: PDF File Size from Capture Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >But of course the experiments raised a few more questions: > >1) The re-distilled files lost all their links, bookmarks, cropping, >etc. Is there a way to maintain these through redistilling? One other thing you lost (but may not realize it) is any and all text that lies behind any bitmap. So...if you have an "image + text" PDF....you will end up with "image only".....and Captures' best guess no longer resides behind occasional bitmaps in a normal PDF. Perhaps Gary can jump back in and tell you how to maintain some of your markup....I believe some of this can be achieved through the use of PDF-Mark >2) We re-distilled a file that was a PageMaker file conversion and had >already been through the Distiller once. Surprisingly, it came out over 40% >smaller than the original with no discernable difference in quality. Does >that mean re-distilling already distilled PDFs will result in smaller file? Generally, high-quality PostScript files produce high-quality PDF files. The more efficient the PostScript file is...the smaller it will be and the smaller the resulting PDF will be when distilled. So...redistilling a PDF will not usually produce a smaller PDF if you are producing high quality PS to begin with. Also make sure you have not changed any of your compression setting when making comparisons. Make sure PS level 2 is selected when available. >3) How important is the PostScript Printer driver & settings in this >process? I recently converted to Win95 and I know longer have a generic >PostScript driver or an Acrobat Distiller driver. For some of my tests I >used and Apple Laserwriter driver because I knew it supported PS, but is >there a recommended driver(and/or) for printing PDF documents to PS? Very important. Be sure to use the latest version of the PostScript printer drivers from Adobe. I believe this is 3.0.1 and is highly recommended. It also suports some other neat features like watermarks. From the Adobe press release on this driver: "Lastly, the driver improves printer performance by producing the cleanest and most efficient PostScript code of any printer driver available. Since Adobe invented the PostScript language and leads its development, we're in the best position to optimize our drivers to reflect this knowledge." "Features and Benefits---Enhanced Performance: The Adobe Printer Driver for Windows improves printer performance in two ways. First, the driver creates very compact and efficient PostScript language output, which translates into faster printing and enhanced productivity. Second, it takes advantage of important Adobe PostScript Level 2 features when using a Level 2-based printer. These include compression of bitmapped images, binary file transfers and enhanced Level 2 language operators. >>A few quick suggestions on reducing size of Captured files: >> >>1. Use Distiller rather than your layout program to "substitute" fonts. You >have >>more control there, and Distiller is designed to do this well. >> >> >>2. Try "re-Distilling" the PDF files generated by Capture; this can >>_significantly reduce file size. Open your PDF file, save to disk as >PostScript, >>and reprocess it using Distiller! Two culprits here, images and word strings >>from PDFWriter. Consider: >> >> >>A. Images saved by Capture save at the _same resolution_ that they were >scanned >>at oringinally. I usually scan for Capture at 500 dpi; that image data gets >>passed thru to its PDF output. Set Distiller's Image Resample choices to their >>default and test. >> >> >>B. Images in high resolution line art does not always view nicely on greyscale >>monitors becuase Acrobat Reader and Exchnage do not anti-alias monochrome >images >>like the do gretscale and color. Test this out: insert the folowing Distiller >>Parameter code in Distiller's Startup folder and restart Distiller (save it >>there as a text file, called, say, "convgrey.ps". The title is irrelevant as >>long as it's a text file, anything is fine): >> >><< /DownsampleMonoImages true >>/MonoImageResolution 72 >>/MonoImageDepth 2 >>/EncodeGrayImages true >>/AntiAliasMonoImages true >>/GrayImageFilter /LZWEncode >>>> setdistillerparams >> >>This Distiller parameter instruction set specifys that monochrome images >are to >>be downsampled to 72-dpi, converted to 2 bits per sample, and encoded using >LZW >>compression. Note that, because the downsampled images are grayscale, the >filter >>is specified using the grayscale, not the monochrome, image parameters. Also, >>assuming that the input image is a 300-dpi image, it will actually be >>downsampled to 75-dpi, the closest possible value to the 72- dpi requested. >> >>I belive this should seriously reduce file sizes if your pages have a lot of >>images, and improve legibilty at the same time. You might want to fool around >>with the MonoImageResolution parameter and try it at 96 and 150 to see the >>difference in size and legibility. >> >>More tech information is avaiulable on Adobe's Developer section on our web >>server, Tech Note #5151, Distiller Parameters. >> >>To return Distiller to normal line art behavior, just move this file from its >>Staup subdirectory. >> >> >>C. Word strings from PDFWriter: Distiller simply consolidates lines of text >>better than PDFWriter. It has a lot more horsepower available to do this. The >>same all-text PDF file generated by PDFWriter is typically larger than that >>generated by Distiller. Do check for errors, which might be caused by >incorrect >>printer driver setting when generating the PostScript. >> >> >>Amber, when released, may have a more efficient way of handling embedded >fonts: >>that's all we can say for now. When used over the Internet, there may even be >>some local caching of fonts as well. We'll see soon. >> >>Hope this helps! It's a little tech whizzy, but better well explained than not. >> >>Gary Cosimini >>Adobe Systems NY >Terry Hogan >Product Development Coordinator >Career Guidance Foundation > > +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 30-Jan-1996 9:53:58-GMT,3292;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA22019 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 02:53:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA18502; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 03:49:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA18449 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 03:46:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199601300946.DAA26724@glacier.binc.net> To: "Walton, Marietta" cc: "pdf-l@emrg.com" Subject: Re: image files In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:58:00 -0600. <310CE0FE@bfamail.oba.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 09:44:41 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith In your message of Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:58:00 -0600 you said: >I need advice from the wise and this seems to be the place to ask. I used >Acrobat Exchange 2.0 to convert our business policy manual to pdf format and >make it available on the internet to university employees. I work with a >PC. The original documents were created with WordPerfect 6.0a. The final >location of the pdf files for internet availability is a UNIX server. Users >have the option to search the manual using the search machine of that >server. >The problem is that some files are not "selected" by the search machine >because they read as "image" and not text. The reason, for some of the >files, could be that some pages contain scanned forms and perhaps the whole >document was saved as image only. But some other files have nothing but >pure regular text and were printed to Acrobat in the same manner other >documents (with no problems) were. >What could be turning these documents into images? I don't think your documents have been turned into images. I guess that your server's "search machine" (whatever it is) examines files for binary data in order to determine whether they can be indexed. I guess it says a file is an "image" if it contains binary data and "text" if it doesn't. Large portions of a PDF file, regardless of the file's content, can be encoded in a binary format. I suggest you regenerate the files, making sure that you select the ASCII format option (or is it deselect the binary format option? Can't remember) and deselect the LZWEncode text and graphics option. By doing this there is more chance of a PDF-unaware search engine being able to see the text. The downerside is that your files will be significantly larger. I believe Verity supply a search engine (Topic?) which correctly indexes PDF files. Try http://www.verity.com/ if you have money. >I would appreciate your comments since nobody else seems to have an answer >for me around here. Maybe someone around there knows more about the search engine and can tell you whether my guesses make sense. >Marietta Walton >Project Coordinator Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 30-Jan-1996 13:15:51-GMT,1348;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA22738 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 06:15:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA19258; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:08:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA19223 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:06:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:06:24 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) Subject: Cropping Pages? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) I'm sorry to bring this up again, but someone recently pointed out the existence of a plug-in to crop the size of pdf pages. Could someone please furnish that info again? Thanks so much. ============================================================================== Matt Conlon Taunton, Massachusetts, USA conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com Systems Support Analyst GTE Communications Systems Division ============================================================================ == 30-Jan-1996 14:50:04-GMT,1956;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA23246 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA19767; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:45:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA19731 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:42:56 -0600 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 06:30:51 PST Message-Id: <9600308230.AA823012598@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) Subject: Re: Cropping Pages? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com In Acrobat Exchange, you can crop the view of a page by selecting >Edit>Pages>Crop. Also, there is a free plug-in called "SuperCrop" available at http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Plug-Ins. It adds a cropping tool to the button bar and provides several new options for cropping. And no, it doesn't work with the free Reader; just Acrobat Exchange... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems Incorporated ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Cropping Pages? Author: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/30/96 5:04 AM I'm sorry to bring this up again, but someone recently pointed out the existence of a plug-in to crop the size of pdf pages. Could someone please furnish that info again? Thanks so much. ============================================================================== Matt Conlon Taunton, Massachusetts, USA conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com Systems Support Analyst GTE Communications Systems Division ============================================================================ == 30-Jan-1996 15:06:52-GMT,2488;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA23396 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:06:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20013; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:00:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA19983 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:00:21 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960130145805.0088941c@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:58:05 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Cropping Pages? Cc: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert At 07:06 AM 1/30/96 -0600, you wrote: >I'm sorry to bring this up again, but someone recently pointed out the >existence of a plug-in to crop the size of pdf pages. Could someone please >furnish that info again? Thanks so much. I'm not sure what you are asking for here as far as a plug-in. You can crop pages right within the standard out of the box copy of Acro Exchange by simply pulling down the EDIT menu...selecting PAGES....then CROP. >============================================================================== > Matt Conlon Taunton, Massachusetts, USA conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com > Systems Support Analyst GTE Communications Systems Division >============================================================================ >== > > > +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 30-Jan-1996 16:10:59-GMT,3795;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA24078 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20377; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:01:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA20340 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:58:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:57:57 -0500 From: marwml@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Michael Robertson) Subject: Re: PDF File Size from Capture X-Sender: marwml@vmspop.rit.edu To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: marwml@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Michael Robertson) At 11:08 PM 1/29/96, Glenn Gernert wrote: > >3) How important is the PostScript Printer driver & settings in this >>process? I recently converted to Win95 and I know longer have a generic >>PostScript driver or an Acrobat Distiller driver. For some of my tests I >>used and Apple Laserwriter driver because I knew it supported PS, but is >>there a recommended driver(and/or) for printing PDF documents to PS? > >Very important. Be sure to use the latest version of the PostScript printer >drivers from Adobe. I believe this is 3.0.1 and is highly recommended. It >also suports some other neat features like watermarks. From the Adobe press >release on this driver: "Lastly, the driver improves printer performance by >producing the cleanest and most efficient PostScript code of any printer >driver available. Since Adobe invented the PostScript language and leads its >development, we're in the best position to optimize our drivers to reflect >this knowledge." "Features and Benefits---Enhanced Performance: The Adobe >Printer Driver for Windows improves printer performance in two ways. First, >the driver creates very compact and efficient PostScript language output, >which translates into faster printing and enhanced productivity. Second, it >takes advantage of important Adobe PostScript Level 2 features when using a >Level 2-based printer. These include compression of bitmapped images, binary >file transfers and enhanced Level 2 language operators. >+----------------------------------------------------------+ >| Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | >| EMERGE | >| Knowledge In Motion | >|----------------------------------------------------------| >| 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | >| Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | >| Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | >| 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | >+----------------------------------------------------------+ > Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions > Acrobat Capture Service Bureau Glenn: I've been using the MS Windows postscript driver, but based on your response to question 3 above, it sounds like I should be using the Adobe postscript printer driver. When I go to Adobe's FTP site, only an upgrade to 2.1.2 from 2.1 or 2.1.1 of the adobe postscript printer driver (adobeps.drv) is available. Where can I get 2.1 or 2.1.1 of the Adobe postscript printer driver? I've purchased Acrobat Pro and Capture for Windows (& Acrobat Pro for the Mac). Is it availble somewhere on those disks or do I have to buy it for each platform? Thanks, Michael Robertson, Wallace Library, Rochester Institute of Technology 716-475-2050 marwml@rit.edu 30-Jan-1996 16:42:33-GMT,4120;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA24392 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20647; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:32:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA20609 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:28:25 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960130162559.00873ff0@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:25:59 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: PDF File Size from Capture Cc: marwml@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert At 10:57 AM 1/30/96 -0500, you wrote: >At 11:08 PM 1/29/96, Glenn Gernert wrote: >> >3) How important is the PostScript Printer driver & settings in this >>>process? I recently converted to Win95 and I know longer have a generic >>>PostScript driver or an Acrobat Distiller driver. For some of my tests I >>>used and Apple Laserwriter driver because I knew it supported PS, but is >>>there a recommended driver(and/or) for printing PDF documents to PS? >> >>Very important. Be sure to use the latest version of the PostScript printer >>drivers from Adobe. I believe this is 3.0.1 and is highly recommended. It >>also suports some other neat features like watermarks. From the Adobe press >>release on this driver: "Lastly, the driver improves printer performance by >>producing the cleanest and most efficient PostScript code of any printer >>driver available. Since Adobe invented the PostScript language and leads its >>development, we're in the best position to optimize our drivers to reflect >>this knowledge." "Features and Benefits---Enhanced Performance: The Adobe >>Printer Driver for Windows improves printer performance in two ways. First, >>the driver creates very compact and efficient PostScript language output, >>which translates into faster printing and enhanced productivity. Second, it >>takes advantage of important Adobe PostScript Level 2 features when using a >>Level 2-based printer. These include compression of bitmapped images, binary >>file transfers and enhanced Level 2 language operators. >I've been using the MS Windows postscript driver, but based on your >response to question 3 above, it sounds like I should be using the Adobe >postscript printer driver. When I go to Adobe's FTP site, only an upgrade >to 2.1.2 from 2.1 or 2.1.1 of the adobe postscript printer driver >(adobeps.drv) is available. Where can I get 2.1 or 2.1.1 of the Adobe >postscript printer driver? I've purchased Acrobat Pro and Capture for >Windows (& Acrobat Pro for the Mac). Is it availble somewhere on those >disks or do I have to buy it for each platform? Tis true....the PS drivers are a retail product and must be purchased through Adobe. The price is about $25. Upgrades are available if you already own a previous rev...but it sounds as though you do not. In which case you need to call Adobe and place an order for the Windows PS drivers 3.0.1. glg +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 30-Jan-1996 17:25:28-GMT,1570;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA24915 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:25:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20927; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:15:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20891 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:14:14 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:09:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199601301709.JAA05226@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Windows PS Driver To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960130162559.00873ff0@emrg.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com The 3.0.1 PS driver for Windows is also included for FREE on the new Type On Call 4.1 Disc. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. > >Tis true....the PS drivers are a retail product and must be purchased >through Adobe. The price is about $25. Upgrades are available if you >already own a previous rev...but it sounds as though you do not. In which >case you need to call Adobe and place an order for the Windows PS drivers 3.0.1. > >glg >+----------------------------------------------------------+ >| Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | >| EMERGE | 30-Jan-1996 17:31:08-GMT,2697;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA24991 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21001; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:17:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20965 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:16:59 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:18:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199601301718.JAA17060@mailx.best.com> X-Sender: paknad@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Deidre Paknad Subject: Re: Acrobat capture problems Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Deidre Paknad At 06:54 PM 1/29/96 -0600, you wrote: > >> I would be grateful for any advice regarding problems with Adobe >> Capture. We are attempting to convert documents to PDF using Capture >> but are having trouble getting Capture to recognise substantial >> amounts of the text scanned. We have spent considerable time adjusting >> our scanner controls and Capture itself but to no avail. >> >> As far as we can see the main problem is that the originals are of >> less than ideal quality. The characters are faded or blurred in may >> cases due to numerous photocopying efforts by suppliers of the >> documents. > >Hate to say it...but sounds like a GIGO scenario....."garbage in garbage >out". You can't expect Capture to recognize obscure text or text that just >isn't there. > Some of the tricks we use to compensate for less-than-ideal originals include: ** Run the originals through the copier at 110 or 120% to give Capture more area to discern characters or between characters. On small font or text with a lot of different treatments (bold here, italics there, underline below that) or for columns, enlarging the area between lines and between characters seems to make a big difference. Most copiers can do this task 10X faster and 10X cheaper than cleaning up something in Reviewer. Darken the copy while you're at it. ** Increase the dpi at which you scan the documents ** Build the custom dictionary in Reviewer to reflect content of originals; you'll have fewer suspects to correct. ** Convert the text to image and embed strings behind the text for search... this is all that's left after everything else fails! Good luck! Deidre Paknad Glyphica Solutions Document Conversion Systems & Services paknad@glyphica.com 30-Jan-1996 18:07:41-GMT,2933;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA25400 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:07:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21498; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:00:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA21464 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:59:54 -0600 From: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:59:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: color and Acrobat To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net, Irene.Rubin@proteon.com Message-id: <9600308230.AA823031953@odp.tamu.edu> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Irene, You wrote about a big discrepancy in color between monitors. It is probably not the difference in the size or type of monitor, but simply that the two monitors are not color-calibrated. Most companies who work with color on computers (color separationists, scanner operators, etc.) calibrate their monitors several times a day or several times a work shift. Most other computer users do not ever calibrate. I can't tell you easily how to calibrate your monitors. You have to go into whatever documentation you have for the monitors and run a calibration program (if you run Photoshop or one of the imaging programs you will have a calibration program), and you will need some basis, probably a photo gray scale like a photographer uses. Photoshop and the imaging program in Micrografix Designer both come with a color bar/scale. I imagine all of the good programs do. The color will only be calibrated to your monitors. Unless the viewer uses the same calibration tools that you do (based on a photographer's gray scale), and views the monitor in the same light, the color will not be standard. In reality, the color will not be standard anyway, because color is interpreted differently by different human eyes. When you put a color in an electronic file your best bet is probably to make the images lighter and brighter than you would, and the same is true for graphics. Anything very dark will only get darker. As my FrameMaker companion, you probably already know that in FrameMaker mixing colors takes place in VIEW/COLOR/DEFINITIONS. I usually mix colors and name them something specific to the job (iceberg green being a current favorite). If I need to copy that color to a new file, I use the color percentages to rebuild the color in the new file. The human eye is worse than the human heart for vagaries. Jennifer Hall Chief Production Editor Ocean Drilling Program 30-Jan-1996 18:45:03-GMT,1770;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA26010 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:44:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21789; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:37:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA21749 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:36:06 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:35:11 -0500 (EST) From: "William D. Graziadei" Subject: Exchange 2.0 -> 2.1 Updater? To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: <01I0MG0CCXHE9252DA@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu> Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com X-VMS-To: IN%"pdf-l@emrg.com" X-VMS-Cc: BILL MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "William D. Graziadei" Is there an Exchange 2.0 -> 2.1 Updater on-line at Adobe? If so, I can't seem to locate it. Thanks. Regards, Bill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | William D. Graziadei, Ph.D. | | Department of Biological Sciences | |State University New York Plattsburgh| | Plattsburgh, New York 12901 | | Tel: 518.564.5165 | | Fax: 518.564.7986| | | GRAZIAWD@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu | |CU-SeeMe & Apple QTMC: 137.142.42.95| | URL: http://137.142.42.95/ | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 30-Jan-1996 19:07:31-GMT,1799;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA26460 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:07:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22027; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:58:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA21989 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:57:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:55:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "William D. Graziadei" From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: Exchange 2.0 -> 2.1 Updater? Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 6:35 PM 1/30/96, William D. Graziadei wrote: >Is there an Exchange 2.0 -> 2.1 Updater on-line at >Adobe? If so, I can't seem to locate it. Thanks. > > Regards, > > Bill The upgrade to 2.1 is not a freebie, as there are some fairly major feature additions, icluding the WebLink and MovieTool plug-ins. There should be info on the Adobe WWW site regarding upgrades. If not, try their customer service 800 number. -Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Creative Director, Electronic and Print Media http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- User Services Division, University Computing Services at USC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Jan-1996 21:55:42-GMT,2995;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA29138 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA22703; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:32:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA22671 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:30:40 -0600 From: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 13:25:49 PST Message-Id: <9600308230.AA823036974@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: The Adobe Acrobat Catalog Update Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com To our Valued Acrobat customers: In response to many of the e-mails lately about Adobe Acrobat Catalog, I wanted to share our thought process with all of you. (Could somebody please also distribute this to our friends at "blueworld". I don't have the exact mailing address.) Adobe Systems Incorporated is always looking to add value to our customers Acrobat implementations. As part of our aggressive Acrobat 2.1 upgrade program, Adobe Sytems Incorporated provided a special opportunity to purchase Acrobat Catalog 2.0 for Windows or Acrobat Catalog 2.1 for Macintosh for the very low price of $149. This was a discount off the SRP of 70%. This special offer was made available to our already valued Acrobat customers as a special way of saying "Thank You" and to give you a great reason to start using Acrobat Search if you hadn't already. Also, it was a great way to thank our Acrobat Macintosh users for their patience in waiting for Acrobat Catalog 2.1 for the Macintosh. The Acrobat 2.1 direct mail offer was delivered to all registered users in September of 1995. The success of this special offer caused us to relook at our configuration of Adobe Acrobat Pro. It appeared that Acrobat Pro had everything a serious Acrobat user would need to create and distribute visually rich documents, but not index them for searching. As a trial, we coordinated a special "holiday bundle" with Adobe's Authorized resellers and Mail Order partners, to bundle Acrobat Catalog with Acrobat Pro for a minimal price increase, from $595 SRP to $696 SRP. This special offer was advertised beginning in late November 1995. Once again, the success of the offer encouraged us to make this a standard component of the Acrobat Pro 2.1 package offering. We have found many of our customers excited about being able to buy a single product that "has it all" for a very aggressive price. All in all, we are continuing to look for ways to add value to the Acrobat product family and appreciate your input, critique and ideas. Please feel free to contact me at jkirkpat@adobe.com if I can be of any assistance. Judy Kirkpatrick Acrobat Market Development Manager Adobe Systems Incorporated 30-Jan-1996 22:36:04-GMT,3645;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA29627 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23094; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:19:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA23057 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:18:59 -0600 X-Sender: patrcha@stcinet.statcan.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:13:58 -0500 To: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com, PDF-L@emrg.com From: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) Subject: Re: The Adobe Acrobat Catalog Update Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) At 4:25 PM on 1/30/96,in 'The Adobe Acrobat Catalog Update', jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: >To our Valued Acrobat customers: > >In response to many of the e-mails lately about Adobe Acrobat Catalog, I >wanted >to share our thought process with all of you. (Could somebody please also >distribute this to our friends at "blueworld". I don't have the exact mailing >address.) > >Adobe Systems Incorporated is always looking to add value to our customers >Acrobat implementations. > >As part of our aggressive Acrobat 2.1 upgrade program, Adobe Sytems >Incorporated >provided a special opportunity to purchase Acrobat Catalog 2.0 for Windows or >Acrobat Catalog 2.1 for Macintosh for the very low price of $149. This was a >discount off the SRP of 70%. This special offer was made available to our >already valued Acrobat customers as a special way of saying "Thank You" and to >give you a great reason to start using Acrobat Search if you hadn't already. >Also, it was a great way to thank our Acrobat Macintosh users for their >patience >in waiting for Acrobat Catalog 2.1 for the Macintosh. The Acrobat 2.1 direct >mail offer was delivered to all registered users in September of 1995. > >The success of this special offer caused us to relook at our configuration of >Adobe Acrobat Pro. It appeared that Acrobat Pro had everything a serious >Acrobat user would need to create and distribute visually rich documents, but >not index them for searching. As a trial, we coordinated a special "holiday >bundle" with Adobe's Authorized resellers and Mail Order partners, to bundle >Acrobat Catalog with Acrobat Pro for a minimal price increase, from $595 >SRP to >$696 SRP. This special offer was advertised beginning in late November 1995. > >Once again, the success of the offer encouraged us to make this a standard >component of the Acrobat Pro 2.1 package offering. We have found many of our >customers excited about being able to buy a single product that "has it all" >for a very aggressive price. > >All in all, we are continuing to look for ways to add value to the Acrobat >product family and appreciate your input, critique and ideas. Please feel >free >to contact me at jkirkpat@adobe.com if I can be of any assistance. > To: Judy Kirkpatrick As one of your valued customers who upgraded from Acrobat Pro 2.0 to Acrobat Pro 2.1 early in September 1995, I cannot recall the Catalog offer. We have two copies of Acrobat Pro 2.1, and would like avail of this special offer. Is it still available? Thanks. Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 30-Jan-1996 22:45:51-GMT,1649;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA29804 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:45:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA22992; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:14:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA22950 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:12:25 -0600 From: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil Message-Id: <9601302211.AA20209@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 14:11:33 -0800 Subject: Links from MS Word for Windows? To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil I have a small collection of reports in PDF on a network drive and would like to create an index file that allows you to click on the filename from within Exchange and have it automatically open the report. The format of the file is as follows: FILENAME.PDF (5.31-MByte) __________ (YEAR). Report Title, Author/Company, Report No. City, State, Date. FILENAME.PDF (xx-MByte) etc. I've done this manually and it works the way I want. The FILENAME.PDF is in green text (like Windows help), so the users know to click on it, which takes them to the document. I would like to maintain this index in MS Word for Windows, but do not know of a method to save the links automatically. Does anyone know if this can be done? -- Patrick R. Kane 30-Jan-1996 22:51:01-GMT,1466;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA29840 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:47:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23401; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:39:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA23364 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:38:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:43:43 +0000 From: Felix Ray Parrott Subject: Problems with fonts To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-to: parrott@ADONIS.OSTI.GOV Message-id: <310E58CF.5CD5@adonis.osti.gov> Organization: U.S. Department of Energy/OSTI MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Felix Ray Parrott Looking for answers! We're using distiller to create pdf files with generally good results. However, from time to time, we will find files that were created in WordPerfect 5.1 Dos that after the postscript file has been distilled and viewed through reader 2.1 some of the special fonts do not display on Macintosh platform but will display correctly on Windows platform. Is this a ATM issue? Should the fonts be saved with the postscript file? Would appreciate feedback! 30-Jan-1996 23:00:59-GMT,1316;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA29956 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:00:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23619; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:52:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA23585 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:52:04 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:51:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199601302251.QAA27734@glacier.binc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: jcook@emrg.com (John Cook) Subject: The NEW ACROBAT Pro Bundle. Cc: jcook@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jcook@emrg.com (John Cook) Fellow PDF-ers, It may interest you to know that EMERGE now has copies of the NEW ACROBAT Pro "bundle" - including Catalog!! - "in stock" and ready for immediate shipment. Both Mac and Windows versions are available, and I think you'll find our pricing to be quite competitive! Please feel free to contact me directly if you wish to place an order. John Cook, EMERGE 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Phone - 800-829-2459 Fax - 608-829-3561 Home Page - http;//www.emrg.com 30-Jan-1996 23:45:30-GMT,4721;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA00556 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:43:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA24024; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:35:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA23990 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:34:27 -0600 From: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 15:32:06 PST Message-Id: <9600308230.AA823044449@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick), PDF-L@emrg.com, jwallner@mv.us.adobe.com, shorton@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re[2]: The Adobe Acrobat Catalog Update Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com To: Judy Kirkpatrick As one of your valued customers who upgraded from Acrobat Pro 2.0 to Acrobat Pro 2.1 early in September 1995, I cannot recall the Catalog offer. We have two copies of Acrobat Pro 2.1, and would like avail of this special offer. Is it still available? Thanks. Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 ______________________JUDY'S REPLY_____________________________________________ REGISTERED Acrobat 2.0 Users can still take advantage of the Acrobat 2.1 upgrade offer, including the offer to purchase Acrobat Catalog for $149. Acrobat 2.0 users who have already upgraded to Acrobat 2.1 can also STILL take advantage of this special offer. Simply call 1-800-27ADOBE to place your order. Thanks, Judy Kirkpatrick _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: The Adobe Acrobat Catalog Update From: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/30/96 3:09 PM At 4:25 PM on 1/30/96,in 'The Adobe Acrobat Catalog Update', jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: >To our Valued Acrobat customers: > >In response to many of the e-mails lately about Adobe Acrobat Catalog, I >wanted >to share our thought process with all of you. (Could somebody please also >distribute this to our friends at "blueworld". I don't have the exact mailing >address.) > >Adobe Systems Incorporated is always looking to add value to our customers >Acrobat implementations. > >As part of our aggressive Acrobat 2.1 upgrade program, Adobe Sytems >Incorporated >provided a special opportunity to purchase Acrobat Catalog 2.0 for Windows or >Acrobat Catalog 2.1 for Macintosh for the very low price of $149. This was a >discount off the SRP of 70%. This special offer was made available to our >already valued Acrobat customers as a special way of saying "Thank You" and to >give you a great reason to start using Acrobat Search if you hadn't already. >Also, it was a great way to thank our Acrobat Macintosh users for their >patience >in waiting for Acrobat Catalog 2.1 for the Macintosh. The Acrobat 2.1 direct >mail offer was delivered to all registered users in September of 1995. > >The success of this special offer caused us to relook at our configuration of >Adobe Acrobat Pro. It appeared that Acrobat Pro had everything a serious >Acrobat user would need to create and distribute visually rich documents, but >not index them for searching. As a trial, we coordinated a special "holiday >bundle" with Adobe's Authorized resellers and Mail Order partners, to bundle >Acrobat Catalog with Acrobat Pro for a minimal price increase, from $595 >SRP to >$696 SRP. This special offer was advertised beginning in late November 1995. > >Once again, the success of the offer encouraged us to make this a standard >component of the Acrobat Pro 2.1 package offering. We have found many of our >customers excited about being able to buy a single product that "has it all" >for a very aggressive price. > >All in all, we are continuing to look for ways to add value to the Acrobat >product family and appreciate your input, critique and ideas. Please feel >free >to contact me at jkirkpat@adobe.com if I can be of any assistance. > To: Judy Kirkpatrick As one of your valued customers who upgraded from Acrobat Pro 2.0 to Acrobat Pro 2.1 early in September 1995, I cannot recall the Catalog offer. We have two copies of Acrobat Pro 2.1, and would like avail of this special offer. Is it still available? Thanks. Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 31-Jan-1996 1:45:45-GMT,1934;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA02443 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:45:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA24689; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:10:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA24652 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:09:19 -0600 Message-Id: <310EC0B5.7B3D@brownell.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:07:01 -0600 From: Megan Seymour-Karpf Organization: First Data Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: meseymou@brownell.edu Subject: Re: Color Type Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Megan Seymour-Karpf "From Irene Rubin: I would really like a sharp royal blue that shows up... PMS 284 on the 14-inch monitor. Any suggestions?" Yes, Irene, Use RGB type, not Pantone, when selecting colors for crisp clear display on screen. You can start with your PMS shade of blue, then just change the color type: In FrameMaker 5.01, select Views/Colors/Definitions and RGB. Distill it and view it on your 14 inch PC. You'll smile! And it looks crisp and black when printed on a B&W printer too. Good Luck, Megan -- _____________________________________________________ "And the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." -- T.S. Eliot _____________________________________________________ Megan Seymour-Karpf Phone 402 222-4730 First Data Corp. Suite 200 Fax 402 593-9126 11128 John Galt Blvd. email meseymou@brownell.edu Omaha Ne 68137 Ideas and opinions expressed here are my own and may not reflect FDC opinions. 31-Jan-1996 10:27:51-GMT,2078;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA06409 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:27:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA28215; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:57:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA28173 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:55:20 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: ll0R@ &>> 30 Jan 95 18:37:28 PST Message-Id: <9600318230.AA823082088@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: thogan@cris.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: PDF File Size from Capture Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Terry: Glad some of the suggestions worked! let's see if we can fix some of the problems: >1) The re-distilled files lost all their links, bookmarks, cropping, >etc. Is there a way to maintain these through redistilling? Use the Replace feature of Exchange to replace the "big" pages with the "small" ones, this will leave all your bookmarks and links intact. >2) We re-distilled a file that was a PageMaker file conversion and had >already been through the Distiller once. Surprisingly, it came out over 40% >smaller than the original with no discernable difference in quality. Does >that mean re-distilling already distilled PDFs will result in smaller file? I _think_ this great a change is unlikely. More probably it was caused by image resampling at a lower ratio the second time thru the Distiller. Make sure compression and image resolution are set indentically from Pagemaker, then rerun the test. Better yet, run the same test on a text-only document and see if there's a big difference. There is a chance that Distiller could consolidate text better from Exchange than from PageMaker's PostScript (!); that would be interesting to know for sure! The PageMaker team would certainly be interested if this were true! Gary Cosimini Adobe Sytems NY 31-Jan-1996 10:43:27-GMT,3126;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA06505 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA28365; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 04:03:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA28297 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 04:02:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199601311002.EAA22970@glacier.binc.net> To: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Links from MS Word for Windows? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 30 Jan 96 14:11:33 -0800. <9601302211.AA20209@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 09:57:56 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith In your message of Tue, 30 Jan 96 14:11:33 -0800 you said: >I have a small collection of reports in PDF on a network drive and would >like to create an index file that allows you to click on the filename from >within Exchange and have it automatically open the report. The format of the >file is as follows: > FILENAME.PDF (5.31-MByte) > __________ (YEAR). Report Title, Author/Company, Report No. City, > State, Date. > FILENAME.PDF (xx-MByte) > etc. >I've done this manually and it works the way I want. The FILENAME.PDF is in >green text (like Windows help), so the users know to click on it, which >takes them to the document. >I would like to maintain this index in MS Word for Windows, but do not know >of a method to save the links automatically. Does anyone know if this can be >done? >-- >Patrick R. Kane This is a bit tricky in Word, but I think it can be done. If you haven't done so already, you'll need to make a new style for marking FILENAME.PDF as "a filename which needs to be linked". The style can also turn the text green. Then you'll need to write a Word macro that searches the document for occurences of this style, and inserts a hidden field containing a pdfmark command to link to the filename. Then you'll need to print to PostScript and distill it with Distiller. Writing the macro might be difficult. It rather depends on how familiar you are with Word's macro language. One of the difficult bits will be working out the bounding box of FILENAME.PDF for the /Rect value of the pdfmark. This may require some PostScript programming too in order to save the position before FILENAME.PDF and then make the link after FILENAME.PDF when you know how wide it is. Hmm... This might be getting a bit complicated for "a small collection of reports". If I needed to do this I'd avoid Word completely and hand-write a PostScript program to do it. It would be much easier. (I mean it!) Good luck, Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 31-Jan-1996 13:59:36-GMT,1245;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA07398 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:59:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA29758; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:56:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA29716 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:53:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:52:59 GMT Message-Id: <199601311352.AA18185@felix.dircon.co.uk> X-Sender: docctrla@popmail.dircon.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: davec@docctrl.co.uk (Dave Cornwell) Subject: Capture & Scanjet 4c Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: davec@docctrl.co.uk (Dave Cornwell) Has anyone had any experience of using Capture with the Scanjet 4c.? This is not on the list of supported scanners (or at least the list I have) and there does not appear to be a driver for this type of scanner with the software. Does anyone know if there some sort of patch disk / upgrade to the software available. Thanks in advance 31-Jan-1996 15:11:00-GMT,1277;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA07947 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:10:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA31684; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:07:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA31653 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:06:39 -0600 Message-Id: <310F935E.6DF1@namdalsnett.no> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:05:50 +0000 From: Reidar Nygard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: PDF mailingliste Subject: Reader 2.1 freezes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Reidar Nygard On my 8500/120 and also on a 8100/80 Acrobat reader 2.1 freezes when I drag the scroll buttons on the side to change between pages. Although I get around this problem simply by choosing goto page, it would be interesting to know if anyone knows the reason for this. Is it an init conflict or what? Reidar Nygard Graphical production Consultant services 31-Jan-1996 19:18:50-GMT,3772;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA10916 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:18:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA32637; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:09:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA32568 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:01:17 -0600 From: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 10:33:23 PST Message-Id: <9600318231.AA823113203@rnbsmt11.sc.intel.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, Megan Seymour-Karpf Cc: meseymou@brownell.edu Subject: Re[2]: Color Type Problem Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com Megan, In your email of 1/30/96 you wrote: >"From Irene Rubin: I would really like a sharp royal blue that shows >up... PMS 284 on the 14-inch monitor. Any suggestions?" >Yes, Irene, >Use RGB type, not Pantone, when selecting colors for crisp clear display >on screen. You can start with your PMS shade of blue, then just change >the color type: > In FrameMaker 5.01, select Views/Colors/Definitions and RGB. Distill it >and view it on your 14 inch PC. Thank you for your suggestion, but Acrobat 2.0 did not have this problem. In our manuals we are using blue color for the section titles within a chapter set by a paragraph style. Megan's suggestion would involve "an extra errand." ADOBE NEEDS TO RESOLVE IT. P.S. Special thanks to Megan for the quote from T.S. Eliot. Lena Received: by ccmail from gomez.sc.intel.com >From owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net X-Envelope-From: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from imssc2.sc.intel.com by gomez.sc.intel.com with SMTP id AA08399 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:0 4:05 -0800 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by imssc2.sc.intel.com (8.7.1/10.0i); Wed, 31 Jan 1996 02:03:44 GMT Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6 .9) with SMTP id TAA24675; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:09:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA 24652 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:09:19 -0600 Message-Id: <310EC0B5.7B3D@brownell.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:07:01 -0600 From: Megan Seymour-Karpf Organization: First Data Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: meseymou@brownell.edu Subject: Re: Color Type Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Megan Seymour-Karpf "From Irene Rubin: I would really like a sharp royal blue that shows up... PMS 284 on the 14-inch monitor. Any suggestions?" Yes, Irene, Use RGB type, not Pantone, when selecting colors for crisp clear display on screen. You can start with your PMS shade of blue, then just change the color type: In FrameMaker 5.01, select Views/Colors/Definitions and RGB. Distill it and view it on your 14 inch PC. You'll smile! And it looks crisp and black when printed on a B&W printer too. Good Luck, Megan -- _____________________________________________________ "And the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." -- T.S. Eliot _____________________________________________________ Megan Seymour-Karpf Phone 402 222-4730 First Data Corp. Suite 200 Fax 402 593-9126 11128 John Galt Blvd. email meseymou@brownell.edu Omaha Ne 68137 Ideas and opinions expressed here are my own and may not reflect FDC opinions. 31-Jan-1996 20:09:26-GMT,2869;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA11524 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:09:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00157; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:01:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA00125 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:00:36 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960131195810.008c9db0@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:58:10 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Capture & Scanjet 4c Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >Has anyone had any experience of using Capture with the Scanjet 4c.? > >This is not on the list of supported scanners (or at least the list I have) >and there does not appear to be a driver for this type of scanner with the >software. Does anyone know if there some sort of patch disk / upgrade to >the software available. The 4c was not directly supported in Capture 1.0 but is supported in the new 1.01 rev. Copied from the Capture 1.01 specs: HP ScanJet, Plus, IIc, IIp, IIIP, IIcx, 3c, 4c, 4S, 4SI. So I assume you do not have the new 1.01 rev of Capture. The Capture 1.01 rev is a free upgrade to all registered users. If your 1.0 product was registered...you should have received this by now. If something has fallen through the cracks as far as getting your upgrade you will want to let Adobe know ASAP so as they can rectify the situation. If you do not have a registered product..............well........ I also see another post on this subject from another user who obviously has the 1.01 rev as he is running it under Win95. It appears as though there may still be a glitch/bug even when you have all the latest drivers etc. I'll try to check that out. glg +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 31-Jan-1996 20:14:24-GMT,2104;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA11574 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:14:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00282; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:05:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA00243 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:04:41 -0600 X-Sender: npitts@janus.sedl.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:58:44 -0600 To: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com, PDF-L@emrg.com From: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) Subject: Re[2]: Color Type Problem Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) >Megan, >In your email of 1/30/96 you wrote: > >>"From Irene Rubin: I would really like a sharp royal blue that shows >>up... PMS 284 on the 14-inch monitor. Any suggestions?" > >>Yes, Irene, >>Use RGB type, not Pantone, [snip] >set by a paragraph style. Megan's suggestion would involve "an extra errand." >ADOBE NEEDS TO RESOLVE IT. Actually Adobe doesn't need to resolve it. Pantone colors were originally used, and still are used, for print documents. Electronic Pantone colors are close apporoximations, and unless you've calibrated your monitor you can't guarantee your Pantone 284 is the real 284. RGB is much better suited for electronic color, because most monitors are RGB based, not CMYK based like the Pantone colors. Even if I've designed a pub using Panton colors on a computer, I still give the printer all the Panton specs based on the PMS print color guide, not what my computer shows, and I'm supposedly perfectly calibrated. There are still discpreancies. Really your best bet is to use PMS for print and RGB for electronic. ----- Natanya Pitts Information Resources Technician Southwest Educational Development Laboratory http://www.sedl.org "One of life's simple joys is playin' with the boys." 31-Jan-1996 21:02:25-GMT,1466;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA12189 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:02:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00689; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:50:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA00653 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:49:46 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:50:22 EST Subject: Re: Capture & Scanjet 4c Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <88C298A2593@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" > The 4c was not directly supported in Capture 1.0 but is supported in the new > 1.01 rev. > > Copied from the Capture 1.01 specs: HP ScanJet, Plus, IIc, IIp, IIIP, IIcx, > 3c, 4c, 4S, 4SI. > I am using this combo, but the setup scanner dialog lists HP IIc, IIp, IIcx, IIIp only. It works with our 4c though. Is there a new driver available? ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 31-Jan-1996 23:22:57-GMT,1237;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA13904 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:22:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA01385; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA01353 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:07:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:06:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199601312306.PAA09125@blob.best.net> X-Sender: paknad@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Deidre Paknad Subject: v1.01 Capture Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Deidre Paknad Just in case users out there are wondering about the v1.01 Capture release... although the letter is dated 12/13/95, one of our upgrades arrived today with a 1/29/96 postmark from Seattle. I doubt the shipping process is for this release is complete, so your copy may still be "in the mail"! Deidre Paknad Glyphica Solutions paknad@glyphica.com 1-Feb-1996 1:34:40-GMT,1768;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA15235 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:34:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA02208; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:27:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA02174 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:25:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 17:23:42 PST Message-Id: <9602010123.AA00851@pogo.wv.tek.com> X-Sender: andyd@pogo.wv.tek.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.COM From: Andy Davidson Subject: Courier substituted in 2.1 Reader Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.COM Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Andy Davidson We have distributed some PDF files that display and read fine except in some cases under Windows 3.1 using the Acrobat Reader 2.1. (With Windows 95, they are fine. With Acrobat 2.0 they are fine.) In the failing case, the Melior font used is replaced by Courier with incredibly different spacing, causing lines to run off the page. Ugh. I am working to narrow down when it works and when it doesn't, but was hoping that someone here might have a clue to help me.... thanks, andy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Davidson 503-685-3033 FAX: 503-685-3063 andyd@pogo.WV.tek.com Product Marketing | Ce message represente uniquement l'opinion Color Printing Division | de son auteur et n'engage en aucune facon Tektronix | son employeur. 1-Feb-1996 2:19:32-GMT,1911;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA15591 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:19:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02651; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:08:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA02588 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:07:35 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: 0R@ &>> 31 Jan 95 18:04:17 PST Message-Id: <9600318231.AA823140343@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: snake@inetnebr.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Offended by IMdict? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com I've never seem this and I use Persausion to save PS for distilling all the time. Try to isolate the offending page and see if its a particular graphic that causes the problem. IMdict sounds like an image to me. Gary Cosimini _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Offended by IMdict? From: snake@inetnebr.com at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/27/96 2:08 PM This is an interesting problem: I'm using 3.0 Adobe Persausion and want to export the handouts and notes to PDF for downline distribution. Using the [Default Abode Printer] to generate a PS file for Distiller, about the first have of the file will be "distilled" when "whammo" I get "offending instruction IMdict." The work around is to use PDF writer (icky) but I'm surprise that Adobe has caught the bug (feature?) yet. Any other ideas? Snake ~~~~~~~~~~~~:> Kent "Snake" Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake --------------------------------------------------- "The sad thing about artificial intelligence is that it lacks artifice and therefore intelligence." -- Jean Baudrillard 1-Feb-1996 2:21:39-GMT,1919;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA15610 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:21:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02593; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:07:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA02543 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:07:10 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: 0R@ &>> 31 Jan 95 18:07:34 PST Message-Id: <9600318231.AA823140375@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Links from MS Word for Windows? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Email jgeraci@adobe.com and ask him for the current version of his Word macro for Acrobat. It contains many useful features. Gary Cosimini _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Links from MS Word for Windows? From: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil at cc_smtp2 Date: 1/30/96 2:11 PM I have a small collection of reports in PDF on a network drive and would like to create an index file that allows you to click on the filename from within Exchange and have it automatically open the report. The format of the file is as follows: FILENAME.PDF (5.31-MByte) __________ (YEAR). Report Title, Author/Company, Report No. City, State, Date. FILENAME.PDF (xx-MByte) etc. I've done this manually and it works the way I want. The FILENAME.PDF is in green text (like Windows help), so the users know to click on it, which takes them to the document. I would like to maintain this index in MS Word for Windows, but do not know of a method to save the links automatically. Does anyone know if this can be done? -- Patrick R. Kane 1-Feb-1996 4:23:33-GMT,2174;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA16394 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:23:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA03611; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:06:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA03579 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:04:25 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960201040143.0085d604@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:01:43 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Capture & Scanjet 4c Cc: MCZAJKA@agsadmin.ags.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >I am using this combo, but the setup scanner dialog lists > >HP IIc, IIp, IIcx, IIIp > >only. It works with our 4c though. Is there a new driver available? Just checked this out and you are correct....the 4c does _not_ appear in the scanner driver install dialog box even in Capture 1.01. It appears as though you are, however, using the correct and current driver. Looks like this one driver covers em all...from the early ScanJets to the 4si +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 1-Feb-1996 5:01:40-GMT,2033;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA16608 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:01:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA03957; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:45:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA03923 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:43:48 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960201044107.00835470@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:41:07 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Saw It On PDF-L?? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert Just a reminder to both newcomers and oldtimers to PDF-L alike: Bob Parks at Washington University (St Louis) maintains a neat archive of all postings to the PDF-L list. Posts can be sorted by author, subject or date. URL: Lots of good information for your "acrobatic" reading pleasure. Check it out! glg +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 1-Feb-1996 6:17:42-GMT,1120;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA17105 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA04633; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:11:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA04601 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:10:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 17:33:42 EST From: "itr" Encoding: 12 Text Message-Id: <9600318231.AA823138694@relay1.proteon.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: fmb@proteon.com Subject: CD Writer and Software Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "itr" I am looking for advice on purchasing a CD writer and software to get the .pdf files onto the CD. Do you all use service bureaus or do you do you make the pre-master yourself? Thanks for your help. Irene Rubin Proteon, Inc. Westborough, MA 01581 itr@proteon.com 1-Feb-1996 12:21:42-GMT,3487;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA19550 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 05:21:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA06966; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:17:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA06932 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:15:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:34:08 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brailsford X-Sender: dfb@quiver To: Andy Davidson MMDF-Warning: Unable to confirm address in preceding line at pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Courier substituted in 2.1 Reader In-Reply-To: <9602010123.AA00851@pogo.wv.tek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David Brailsford On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Andy Davidson wrote: > We have distributed some PDF files that display and read fine except in some > cases under Windows 3.1 using the Acrobat Reader 2.1. (With Windows 95, > they are fine. With Acrobat 2.0 they are fine.) In the failing case, the > Melior font used is replaced by Courier with incredibly different spacing, > causing lines to run off the page. Ugh. > This may be some arcane problem with Windows 3.1, and I'm no expert on that, but a thought occurs to me: (As far as I know) Melior is part of the Adobe type library. Therefore its widths should be available at distil time even if you don't have the outlines installed under ATM. Therefore these widths should get embedded OK to help Multiple Master fake things for you in the viewer environment. As far as I'm aware the only time you get Courier substitution is when an Acrobat viewer has no idea about the font outlines nor character widths. If the character widths are available to it then Multiple Master Substitution handles the problem. If somehow the Melior widths weren't available at distil time then all is not lost provided they are available at the viewer end. Maybe the problem is with the non-availability of Melior widths in some way. Do you actually have the font itself installed in the Distiller environment? In the viewer environment (but maybe not on the Windows 3.1 platform)? Is it Adobe/Linotype Melior or is it from some other supplier? If the font you were using had been truly "non-standard" i.e. not in the Adobe Type Library at all then the effect you observe would be easier to explain. Fonts from suppliers outside the Adobe/Linotype axis (e.g. Monotype, Bitstream) may not be in the database so you'll need to have the font itself installed under ATM, when distilling, so that distiller can extract the character widths *even though you're not embedding the character outlines themselves*. If you don't do this then the widths won't get embedded in the PDF file and the viewer environment has no hope of faking things with MM -- it will use the ultimate fallback of substituting Courier. David B. ----------------------------------------------------------- David F. Brailsford Dept. of Computer Science e-mail: dfb@cs.nott.ac.uk University of Nottingham Tel: +44 (0)115 951 4251 NOTTINGHAM NG7 2RD, Fax: +44 (0)115 951 4254 UK. ----------------------------------------------------------- 1-Feb-1996 12:45:21-GMT,1732;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA19663 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 05:45:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07226; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:41:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA07195 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:40:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:38:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Leon Harrison X-Sender: leon@marian To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Capture 1.01 Install Problem? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Leon Harrison We have had problems with Capture 1.01 on PCs after installation, with a symptom of a message which complains about other applications using pixdflt.dll. This message is produced after an apparently good installation when an attempt is made to start up either capture or reviewer. We overcame the problem on a new machine by installing a fresh copy of Win95, but we now need to install capture on a machine where a fresh start is not a sensible option. V3.01 of ATM is installed and has been re-installed at the same time as capture but the fault persists. ATM has been turned off, all other applications have been stopped, the file pixdflt.dll has been renamed so it could not be found, its date has been changed etc. All these have had no effect. This seems to suggest that the content of the complaining message itself is erroneous. Any ideas? Leon 1-Feb-1996 18:05:47-GMT,1571;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA22517 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:05:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA19257; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:55:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA19224 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:54:04 -0600 From: "Ottaviano, Gerard" To: PDF Newsgroup Subject: Merging a page from 1 pdf file to another Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 12:56:00 PST Message-ID: <311128D4@SMTPGTWY.WANG.COM> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Ottaviano, Gerard" Hi, I'm looking for any suggestions as to how to take a page from one pdf file and merge its contents and resources into a page in another pdf file for viewing and printing, but not to ultimately save it. One file contains static data and the other contains a static form, which, when merged, would appear as an one, i.e. an invoice or financial statement. I have explored this issue with Adobe and it seems like a daunting task given the internal structure and complexities of updating pdf files. I'm looking for anyone with experience on this subject or with suggestions. Any help and all responses are appreciated. Thanks very much. Gerard Ottaviano Wang Laboratories gerard.ottaviano@wang.com 1-Feb-1996 20:35:19-GMT,3824;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA24496 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23360; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:20:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA23267 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:11:30 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960201200856.00968cb0@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 14:08:56 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Merging a page from 1 pdf file to another Cc: gerard.ottaviano@wang.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert > I'm looking for any suggestions as to how to take a page from one pdf >file and merge its contents and resources into a page in another pdf file >for viewing and printing, but not to ultimately save it. One file contains >static data and the other contains a static form, which, when merged, would >appear as an one, i.e. an invoice or financial statement. I have explored >this issue with Adobe and it seems like a daunting task given the internal >structure and complexities of updating pdf files. I'm looking for anyone >with experience on this subject or with suggestions. Any help and all >responses are appreciated. Thanks very much. TRANZFORM may provide a solution for you. See below copied from the EMERGE web site Go to the Downloadable Software section if you want pull it down and take it for a test drive. glg TRANZFORM -- Developed by Vertec, TranZform is advanced electronic forms software that enhances the creation of interactive documents from Acrobat PDF files using any system or application software. TranZform is made up of two separate modules - Definer and Fillin - that are easy to use and entirely open to various computer systems. Definer provides the ability to actually create a useable form - from building and defining specific field characteristics such as complex formulas, alphanumeric, currency, check box, etc. to configuring specific properties such as box outline, text colors, and text alignment. Fillin is then used to input data, exactly as specified by Definer. Once the form has been filled in, you can save it, print it, or transfer it as a computerized form to another Acrobat user. A demo version (for Windows)is available for downloading. Also, an on-screen TranZform user guide in PDF format (799k) with detailed product information and support for the use of Acrobat-based forms is now on line. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 1-Feb-1996 22:05:59-GMT,3219;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA25453 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:05:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA25004; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:53:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA24971 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:50:45 -0600 From: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil Message-Id: <9602012148.AA11340@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 13:48:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Links from MS Word for Windows? To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Cc: pat@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil In-Reply-To: <9601302211.AA20209@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil On Tue, 30 Jan 96, pkane@nfesc.navy.mil wrote: >I have a small collection of reports in PDF on a network drive and would >like to create an index file that allows you to click on the filename from >within Exchange and have it automatically open the report. The format of >the file is as follows: > > FILENAME.PDF (5.31-MByte) > __________ (YEAR). Report Title, Author/Company, Report No. City, > State, Date. > > FILENAME.PDF (xx-MByte) > etc. Thanks for the help and pointers. I was able to figure out how to do what I wanted in MS Word for Windows using WordBasic and pdfmark. Run the output through distiller and viola. Here are the basic steps for those interested. The syntax for creating a link in Postscript is: [/Rect [ llx lly urx ury ] /Border [ bx by c [d]] /SrcPg Pagenum /Color [array] /Action /Launch /File (PDFfilename) /Subtype /Link /ANN pdfmark 1. Locate your text. In my case I searched for a style named "Filename". 2. Grab the text using Selection$() and assign it to a variable (e.g., PDFfilename). 3. Locate the rectangle boundaries (this only works in ViewPage mode) a. Use SelInfo(5) to get your X coordinates and convert from twips to points, e.g., xTwips = SelInfo(5) xCoord = Int(xTwips / 20) b. Use SelInfo(6) to get your Y coordinates. These are referenced from the top of the page, so you'll have to subtract the distance from the page height. To get the lower y, also subtract the FontSize(). 4. Get the page number via Pagenum$ = Str$(SelInfo(3)) 5. Write the output to a file using Open and Print statements. 6. Back to step 1 until you're done (I used a While/Wend statement with the Find command to determine when it was done locating all occurences of the style). This was my first attempt at WordBasic and pdfmark. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I learned enough to figure out (too late though) that most of the above had already been done in Joel Geraci's pdfMarker macro in the subroutine RefLinks. Though it was for a different type of link, it would have been a better starting point. I recommend reviewing his program if you think about doing something similar yourself. -- Patrick R. Kane 1-Feb-1996 22:21:27-GMT,1450;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA25657 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA25155; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:06:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA25124 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:05:54 -0600 From: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 16:06:09 cst Message-Id: <9601018232.AA823219569@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: preserving 2-page spreads Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu I'm converting printed publications that make heavy use of 2-page spreads. The spreads are set up in the original programs (usually PageMaker and Quark) as 2 8-1/2 x 11 pages that face each other to make an 11 x 17 spread. When I distill the files, the spreads become individual 8-1/2 x 11 pages. I'd like to preserve those spreads in Acrobat. I can think of a few _clunky_ workarounds, but I'm hoping there's some simple solution I've overlooked. Does anyone have suggestions? Thanks, Terri Stone ........................................... Information Services College of Agricultural, Consumer and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois ta-stone@uiuc.edu (217)244-2829 1-Feb-1996 23:55:15-GMT,1178;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA26793 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:55:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA25880; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:47:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA25849 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:45:59 -0600 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 18:40:52 EST Message-Id: <9601018232.AA823229002@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Linking to applications Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov I was just wondering if anyone knows how to launch an application from a link with a command line parameter (Windows). I can use Open File to select an executable but when I add a filename to the Open and choose select, Acrobat complains that its not a filename. I sort of assume I can't use a space, but maybe I should be using a different character? Thanks. Joe 2-Feb-1996 2:17:41-GMT,1871;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA27996 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:15:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA26829; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:01:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA26796 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:00:13 -0600 From: michaelm@ihs.com.au Date: Fri, 02 Feb 96 12:40:21 Encoding: 1135 Text Message-Id: <9601028232.AA823293621@hinton.ihs.com.au> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Graphics Building Piece by Piece Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: michaelm@ihs.com.au Fellow PDFers, At present we are converting a large volume of our catalogs to PDF from the original Mac Pagemaker + Freehand files. The end result is great - resolution, font embedding etc all works fine BUT... Our cover illustration is a complicated graphic built in Freehand from a combination of elements and exported as a single EPS. When the PDF is opened each one of these elements builds one after another rather than the graphic drawing as a whole. This takes a considerable while longer than if it was a single image. Is there something we are doing wrong? Is there a way to ensure the graphic loads as a single entity? Secondly, some of our illustrations, in particular one involving a graduated shade bar, are appearing in PDFs as blocks as if the resolution is much lower than it is. ie) a 10%-100% graduated shading appears as six or seven solid chunks rather than as a single smooth fade. Sorry if this is elementary stuff! Thanks in advance for any solutions or suggestions... 2-Feb-1996 3:36:24-GMT,2505;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA28444 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:36:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA27536; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 21:24:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA27466 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 21:22:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:21:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: preserving 2-page spreads Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 10:06 PM 2/1/96, stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu wrote: >I'm converting printed publications that make heavy use of 2-page spreads. The >spreads are set up in the original programs (usually PageMaker and Quark) as 2 >8-1/2 x 11 pages that face each other to make an 11 x 17 spread. > >When I distill the files, the spreads become individual 8-1/2 x 11 pages. I'd >like to preserve those spreads in Acrobat. I can think of a few _clunky_ >workarounds, but I'm hoping there's some simple solution I've overlooked. > >Does anyone have suggestions? Using PageMaker, the Make booklet plug-in is a fairly simple way of converting your documents to two page spreads prior to distilling them. I'm not sure of how this can be done in XPress, though there's probably a plug-in out there for it somewhere. Also, the new Amber implementation of the Acrobat Reader allows you to view two pages at a time, though it's not really a spread configuration, as it views pages 1 and 2 side by side, rather that keeping the first page on its own. Not sure if this is the final implementation of this either, as I only was this in the first Windows beta release. Hope this helps... -Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Creative Director, Electronic and Print Media http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- User Services Division, University Computing Services at USC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 2-Feb-1996 14:07:35-GMT,2644;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA02521 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:07:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA31091; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:03:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA31051 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:00:37 -0600 Message-ID: <875EFE2F01D40200@smtp.barrsys.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 8:47:00 -0500 From: Craig Lee Organization: Barr Systems, Inc. To: michaelm@ihs.com.au (mail@smtp{michaelm@ihs.com.au}), pdf-l@emrg.com (mail@smtp{PDF-L@emrg.com}) Subject: Re: Graphics Building Piece by Piece X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Craig Lee Michael M. wrote: > At present we are converting a large volume of our catalogs to PDF > from the original Mac Pagemaker + Freehand files. The end result is > great - resolution, font embedding etc all works fine BUT... > > Our cover illustration is a complicated graphic built in Freehand from > a combination of elements and exported as a single EPS. When the PDF > is opened each one of these elements builds one after another rather > than the graphic drawing as a whole. This takes a considerable while > longer than if it was a single image. Is there something we are doing > wrong? Is there a way to ensure the graphic loads as a single entity? > > Secondly, some of our illustrations, in particular one involving a > graduated shade bar, are appearing in PDFs as blocks as if the > resolution is much lower than it is. ie) a 10%-100% graduated shading > appears as six or seven solid chunks rather than as a single smooth > fade. > > Sorry if this is elementary stuff! Thanks in advance for any solutions > or suggestions... I've seen this behavior too and the best solution I've come up with is to rasterize the big graphic into one tiff file and replace the EPS with the tiff when you make your postscript file for distilling. I don't know if Photoshop will rasterize a Freehand file. Freehand may be able to create a raster file for you. Transverter Pro (a commercial program) will rasterize just about any PostScript or PDF file. I've heard that Ghostscript will do likewise. Craig Lee, Publications Editor at Barr Systems in Gainesville, FL, USA craig@barrsys.com Webmaster of http://www.barrsys.com 2-Feb-1996 16:42:21-GMT,1633;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA03976 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA31781; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:33:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA31746 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:31:52 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:31:29 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) Subject: Copy&Paste Links? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) Is there a way, or will there someday be a way, to copy and paste links, so that once I've set up a destination, I can copy the originating 'hot spot' and paste it in other places in the doc? Or can there be some way to default or hotlist to recurring target locations from various places within a doc during the link creation process? I find the lack of this sort of feature to be very limiting and time-consuming in my current application for Acrobat. Thanks Matt Conlon ============================================================================== Matt Conlon Taunton, Massachusetts, USA conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com Systems Support Analyst GTE Communications Systems Division ============================================================================ == 2-Feb-1996 16:43:08-GMT,2696;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA03984 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA31784; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:33:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA31665 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:23:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:23:11 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) Subject: Re: Graphics Building Piece by Piece Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) > Fellow PDFers, > > ...snip > > Our cover illustration is a complicated graphic built in Freehand from > a combination of elements and exported as a single EPS. When the PDF > is opened each one of these elements builds one after another rather > than the graphic drawing as a whole. This takes a considerable while > longer than if it was a single image. Is there something we are doing > wrong? Is there a way to ensure the graphic loads as a single entity? > > ...graduated shade bar, are appearing in PDFs as blocks as if the > resolution is much lower than it is. ie) a 10%-100% graduated shading > appears as six or seven solid chunks.... DeBabelizer (on Mac, don't know if there are versions for other OS) from Equilibrium Technologies (voice 415-332-4343, or inof@equil.com) is an excellent tool for converting between many-many-many graphic formats, and doing just about any kind of op on the file that you can think of while you're at it. Supports single, batch, and scripted operations. Many palette manipulations. Priced at about $200 (US), worth it. Be sure to register it if you purchase it or you'll have a terrible time trying to get an upgrade (I of course speak from experience here! Only kindly intervention of an Equilibrium VP saved my bacon when I tried to get an upgrade.) This would let you take that eps file and rasterize it into a single image saved as virtually any format you like. I don't know about the banding problem. Cheers Matt Conlon ============================================================================== Matt Conlon Taunton, Massachusetts, USA conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com Systems Support Analyst GTE Communications Systems Division ============================================================================ == 2-Feb-1996 16:45:54-GMT,3224;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA04007 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:45:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA31849; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:34:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA31812 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:34:04 -0600 From: mcjones@pa.dec.com Message-Id: <9602021628.AA29395@colt.pa.dec.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: mcjones@pa.dec.com, Glenn Gernert Subject: Extracting ASCII from PDF Date: Fri, 02 Feb 96 08:28:47 -0800 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mcjones@pa.dec.com Glenn Gernert of EMERGE suggested I repost the following information to PDF-L, because the question seems to keep coming up in various PDF-related forums. Question: How can one extract ASCII text from a PDF document? (This can be useful for example with a generic indexing package, or in conjunction with a text-to-speech package.) Answer: There are several techniques: 1. Using Acrobat Reader or Exchange, you can make a selection of up to a page of text at a time using the "select text" tool, then use the Edit|Copy command, and paste it into a text editor application. If that text editor supports formatting, you may want to do "save as text" to remove the font information. 2. Using Acrobat Exchange, you can use the Edit|Copy File to Clipboard command to copy all the text in the file. Again, the selection is Formatted Text, so you may want to strip the formatting in a text editor. 3. You can use the ps2ascii utility that comes with Aladdin Ghostscript; it can handle PDF as well as PostScript input. I recommend using the latest version, 3.53, of Aladdin Ghostscript, which is licensed but free for most uses, runs on many platforms including Unix, DOS, and Windows, and is available at this URL: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ 4. You can use pstotext, which also uses Aladdin Ghostscript, and which is able to reassemble words broken up by pair-kerning (it doesn't reassemble hyphenated words though) and which can handle a wide variety of font encoding vectors. It is licensed but free, and is distributed only in Unix source form, at this URL: http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/virtualpaper/pstotext.html (The pstotext documentation doesn't mention PDF input, but it works if you pass the PDF filename in on the pstotext command line.) 5. On 6 October 1995, Gary Cosimini of Adobe in New York said to PDF-L: > The Acrobat development environment (Software Development Kit) makes > it possible to extract the ASCII text from a PDF file (e.g. for indexing). > Check Adobe Developer Support on our web site for more information. > > The code to extract text comes with the SDK. > > You can also do the same with OLE or AppleEvents. See Adobe Technical > documents 5153 and 5155 to see how automation can control Acrobat > Exchange. Paul McJones mcjones@pa.dec.com 415 853-2255 Digital Equipment Corporation / Systems Research Center 2-Feb-1996 16:48:22-GMT,1983;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA04026 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA32113; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:40:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA32024 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:39:20 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:37:46 GMT Message-Id: <199602021637.AA01255@felix.dircon.co.uk> X-Sender: docctrla@popmail.dircon.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: davec@docctrl.co.uk (Dave Cornwell) Subject: The NEW ACROBAT Pro Bundle - European Perspective Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: davec@docctrl.co.uk (Dave Cornwell) On 30th January John Cook wrote "It may interest you to know that EMERGE now has copies of the NEW ACROBAT Pro "bundle" - including Catalog!! - "in stock" and ready for immediate shipment. " It may interest UK & European users that this bundle is currently NOT available in the UK or Europe. Our contacts in Adobe tell us that it is "under consideration" - we will keep you informed. In the meantime, please contact us on sales@docctrl.co.uk for your UK Acrobat requirements. Dave Cornwell, Sales Director Computerised Document Control Ltd PO Box 5, Chepstow, Gwent, NP6 6YU United Kingdom Tel (+44) 1291 641554 Fax (+44) 1291 641817 Document Systems Specialists www.docctrl.co.uk/docctrl is our web site Dave Cornwell, Sales Director Computerised Document Control Ltd PO Box 5, Chepstow, Gwent, NP6 6YU United Kingdom Tel (+44) 1291 641554 Fax (+44) 1291 641817 Document Systems Specialists www.docctrl.co.uk/docctrl is our web site 2-Feb-1996 18:43:34-GMT,1496;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA05731 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:43:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00011; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:19:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA32724 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:17:11 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:18:37 -0800 From: Grant Gelvin To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat Reader can't find files with Netscape Message-Id: <96Feb2.101854pst.61441@gatekeeper.ci.escondido.ca.us> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Grant Gelvin I'm using Netscape (2.0b6a) to access a PDF document. Acrobat Reader opens fine, and the first document comes up fine, and SOME of the links come up fine, but with others it says the file isn't there. I know the problem isn't in the links themselves becuase they work perfectly if I'm not going through Netscape. The error is pretty consistent -- usually the same links fail -- although I suspect that it's not perfectly consistent. Anyone have a suggestion? Grant Gelvin Technology manager for the City of Escondido [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] "...as simple as possible, but no simpler..." Albert Einstein 2-Feb-1996 18:59:16-GMT,1653;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA05969 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:59:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00331; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:50:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA00298 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:50:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:49:43 -0500 (EST) From: DAVID L DIMICH To: pdf mailing list Subject: disney.pdf Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: DAVID L DIMICH Hello does anyone have the file called disney.pdf from the www.disney.com site. i have tried to dl it 2 times, but it won't work. When i call it up, it is nothing but blank. If you go to view articles, it says that all the articles are there (ie..lists them) but it won't work. Please reply. if you have it and wouldn't mind sending it, please do so. thanx ______________________________________________________________________________ Dave Dimich Brock University Business/Math Major email:dd94bu@badger.ac.brocku.ca St.Catharines,Ontario. CANADA :ddimich@freenet.npiec.on.ca "I wouldn't want to Break Your Heart" ..... BNL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2-Feb-1996 19:01:39-GMT,1278;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA06002 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:01:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00282; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:49:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA00248 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:49:05 -0600 From: Christine Dolan To: "'PDF-L question'" Subject: Capture and text retrieval Date: Fri, 02 Feb 96 10:48:00 PST Message-Id: <31125C64@DIS.WA.GOV> Encoding: 11 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Christine Dolan We are considering purchasing Capture to convert a collection of contracts and legal opinions so as to provide online access to them. According to some of the information I have read, Capture's Text+Image files are searchable. What does "searchable" mean? Do you search each file? Each directory? Do you build an index? Having never seen the product work, I am confused. Any help is appreciated. Christine Dolan WA St. Dept. of Information Services chrisd@dis.wa.gov 2-Feb-1996 19:33:47-GMT,4058;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA06450 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA00734; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:21:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA00703 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:20:03 -0600 X-Sender: scs1mb@boris.soc.surrey.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: M.Bulmer@soc.surrey.ac.uk (Martin Bulmer) Subject: CAPTURE capacities Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 19:15:21 GMT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: M.Bulmer@soc.surrey.ac.uk (Martin Bulmer) February 2, 1996 As a new member from the UK directed to the list by David Brailsford from Nottingham, may I pose a question for those experienced in using CAPTURE. In a UK academic social science resource centre, we are investigating the possibility of using CAPTURE to create PDF files to place on our web site. The raw materials from which we are working are not pages of printed/published text, but pages of social survey research questionnaires, typically created in fairly small 10-14 point Times typescript, with the addition of small [line] boxes to record respondent's replies to precoded questions, and some horizontal and vertical lines for layout and to direct the interviewer from one question to another. The pages do not include images as such. They are rather text with various lines added to the layout. CAPTURE would appear to be a way of capturing the layout of such pages, which bear a passing resemblance to a form such as the IRS tax form. We must,however, work from paper originals,and do not have access to the original word-processed files, hence we cannot distill PDF output. Does anyone have experience of scanning forms of this kind, and what have been the results ? Supplementary questions are (a) I read somewhere on the Web that CAPTURE may have problems with vertical lines; have others encountered this ? (b) Would such scanning produce text or image files; I have read in the list that CAPTURE sometimes thinks that image files are being produced ? The size of the resultant files is fairly important for us. (c) Has there been any enhancement in relation to these issues in CAPTURE v 1.0.1 ? We shall shortly have an opportunity to try out some test pages on CAPTURE and examine the results, but we would be glad to hear of others' experiences. Previous messages suggest that there have been some problems with some types of material being scanned in the program, despite its superiority over conventional OCR. [As a postscript, in case anyone at ADOBE reads this, may I make a plea that as a matter of urgency ADOBE establish a UK or European mirror web site alongside their American one ? With patience one can usually in time read their American web pages via the UK university internet, which has a very fast connection, but because of problems on the transatlantic link, it proves very very difficult, in most cases impossible, to download larger PDF files from the US site to the UK, or may take a matter of hours, which is very discouraging. I know that the ABOBE site is much visited, but cannot imagine that download times are so long in the US. Or are they, and do we all suffer together ? ] Martin Bulmer **************************************************************************** Martin Bulmer email: m.bulmer@soc.surrey.ac.uk Professor of Sociology Sociological Research Online: University of Surrey CASS QB: mb@soc.surrey.ac.uk Guildford, telephone: +44(0)1483 259456 Surrey GU2 5XH, UK fax: +44(0)1483 306290 **************************************************************************** 2-Feb-1996 20:24:56-GMT,921;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA07009 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:24:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01063; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:03:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA01030 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:02:23 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 96 14:58:31 EST From: "itr" Encoding: 4 Text Message-Id: <9601028233.AA823302120@relay1.proteon.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Thank you for CD Writer Information Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "itr" Thanks to all who replied to my query about CD Writers. I'll let you know how I do with the project. Irene Rubin 2-Feb-1996 20:52:43-GMT,4013;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA07253 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:52:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01359; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:33:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA01321 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:31:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:15:53 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brailsford X-Sender: dfb@quiver To: Christine Dolan cc: "'PDF-L question'" Subject: Re: Capture and text retrieval In-Reply-To: <31125C64@DIS.WA.GOV> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David Brailsford On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Christine Dolan wrote: > > We are considering purchasing Capture to convert a collection of contracts > and legal opinions so as to provide online access to them. According to some > of the information I have read, Capture's Text+Image files are searchable. > What does "searchable" mean? Do you search each file? Each directory? Do you > build an index? Having never seen the product work, I am confused. Any help > is appreciated. > > Christine Dolan > WA St. Dept. of Information Services > chrisd@dis.wa.gov Capture works on bitmap scans and converts them directly to Acrobat's PDF format. In doing this it not only recognises the words you use (as most OCR software would do) -- it also tries to recognise things like the fonts you are using e.g Times, the inter-line spacing (leading) and the line width (measure). After the initial recognition phase12~ and before it produces the PDF file, Capture takes you through a Reviewer phase where you can correct any mis-recognised features in the file. After Reviewing is complete Capture produces, directly, a PDF file (where PDF is of course the page-structured level 2 PostScript that underlies Acrobat). The big gain is that you retain the look and feel of the document but with extra quality and searchability. This is because (for example) your scanned in phrase "Hello World" in 10 point Times is now rendered not as a set of black and white scanned dots but as properly typeset text in the PDF along the lines of (PostScript gurus please *dont* rush to tell me that this isn't exactly correct -- I'm only trying to give the general impression ...): Times-Roman findfont 10 scalefont setfont (Hello) show (World) show It really is very impressive. So -- you view you Capture'd PDF in Acrobat Reader or Exchange; you see straight away that the text is properly typeset when you zoom in with the magnifying glass icon and, because the Acrobat search engine is set up to ignore all the PostScript-like wrappings in the PDF file it will, for example, home in on the word "Hello", in the above example and highlight it on the screen whenever you ask it to search for that word. Moreover this PDF file is like any other. It can be indexed, catalogued with with the Catalog software, serached by the standard Verity search engine etc. By contrast, a text search engine would have no idea that: * * * * * * * * *** *** * * *** * * *** * * * * * * ** * * *** in the original scan actually says "Hello". All this being said --and Capture is very impressive, it does of course have to leave inserted colour and B/W photos as bitmaps. Also -- there is a limit as to how "intelligent" it can be with tables or line diagrams. Sometimes these get so complex that Capture leaves them as bitmaps rather than trying to draw lines and typeset the captions and labels. If this happens then, of course, a "Hello" on a line diagram, that is still left as a bitmap, *won't* be found by the search engine. Hope this helps David Brailsford 2-Feb-1996 22:05:23-GMT,7353;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA07978 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:05:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01941; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:52:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA01901 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:50:18 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960202214725.00744644@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 15:47:25 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: CAPTURE capacities Cc: M.Bulmer@soc.surrey.ac.uk (Martin Bulmer) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >In a UK academic social science resource centre, we are investigating the >possibility of using CAPTURE to create PDF files to place on our web site. >The raw materials from which we are working are not pages of >printed/published text, but pages of social survey research questionnaires, >typically created in fairly small 10-14 point Times typescript, with the >addition of small [line] boxes to record respondent's replies to precoded >questions, and some horizontal and vertical lines for layout and to direct >the interviewer from one question to another. The pages do not include >images as such. They are rather text with various lines added to the >layout. CAPTURE would appear to be a way of capturing the layout of such >pages, which bear a passing resemblance to a form such as the IRS tax form. >We must,however, work from paper originals,and do not have access to the >original word-processed files, hence we cannot distill PDF output. > >Does anyone have experience of scanning forms of this kind, and what have >been the results ? To be certain, forms are _not_ one of Captures' strong points. Capture usually has difficulty in determing the structure of the page on form type documents...ie what is text and what is a graphic. Added to the complexity is that you often have text touching (or close to) lines and often forms have shaded boxes etc. This all adds up to a very complex document for Capture to sink its teeth into. Unless these forms are very simple with all text well separated from the horizontal and verticle lines, it is usually a better choice to use the "image only" or "image + text" PDF output options of Capture. With either of these output options you will have a 100% visually accurate document without the time consuming necessity of correcting OCR errors. The downside of using "image + text" or "image only" is that the file sizes increase substantially....and you mention that you want to put these on a web site. I think it would be safe to say that the file size would become prohibitively large for serving on the web (perhaps 100K/page approximately). One solution to the the file size problem would be to write the PDF produced by Capture back out to PS and then run the PS file through Distiller. Often this recreated PDF is about 1/10th the size of the original Capture generated PDF. HOWEVER, it you are using "image + text" you _will_ loose all the searchable text that lies behind the image and you will end up with an "image only" document. These obviously can not be searched, indexed, copy & paste, etc as there no longer is any "real" text associated with the PDF. The other downside of the above mentioned formats is that the PDF will not look as nice on screen....mainly becuase you are looking at a raster image within a PDF shell and ATM can no longer work its magic on the fonts. These PDF will also render more slowly to screen. >Supplementary questions are >(a) I read somewhere on the Web that CAPTURE may have problems with >vertical lines; have others encountered this ? Not so much verticle lines as a whole....but forms are troublesome as I indicated above. For instance, Capture may try to interpret the intersection of a verticle and horizontal line as a T. I might also suggest using one of the TIF processing software packages to precisely de-skew these pages before handing them off to Capture. This generally will produce better line quality with less jags. Capture does have it's own auto de-skew routine but it is not as precise as can be obtained with one of these other packages. >(b) Would such scanning produce text or image files; I have read in the >list that CAPTURE sometimes thinks that image files are being produced ? >The size of the resultant files is fairly important for us. I kind of covered this above.....but if you were to select "PDF normal" output from Capture it would be a pretty safe bet that you would end up with pages that were a combination of images and text lines....unless these forms were very basic with all text well separated from lines etc. >(c) Has there been any enhancement in relation to these issues in CAPTURE >v 1.0.1 ? Specifially with Captures ability to deal with forms, NO. A slight enhancement was made so that horizontal and verticle lines now meet with a square cornor. In the 1.0 product there was often a small gap or overlap. > We shall shortly have an opportunity to try out some test pages on CAPTURE >and examine the results, but we would be glad to hear of others' >experiences. Previous messages suggest that there have been some problems >with some types of material being scanned in the program, despite its >superiority over conventional OCR. Capture does best with standard good clean original "business" type documents. This obviously is not always the situation. The various PDF output options in Capture go a long way to overcome some of this. And to be very honest, many peoples expectations of Capture exceed reality. It is very very difficult to produce an absolute _perfect_ PDF equivalent of the page as it existed on paper. You can, however, come pretty close....but perfect is hard to achieve. As discussed on this list earlier this week, there are various options available to improve the OCR accuracy when you are dealing with less than perfect documents. Give Capture a try...it's a neat technology.....but keep your expectations in line with reality. The biggest problems I have seen is where Capture has been "oversold".....as in where the customer has been told that Capture will easily produce perfect pristine PDF pages. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 2-Feb-1996 23:15:38-GMT,4038;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA08686 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:15:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA02336; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:01:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA02293 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:59:42 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960202225657.007131f0@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 16:56:57 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Capture and text retrieval Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >We are considering purchasing Capture to convert a collection of contracts >and legal opinions so as to provide online access to them. According to some >of the information I have read, Capture's Text+Image files are searchable. >What does "searchable" mean? Do you search each file? Each directory? Do you >build an index? Having never seen the product work, I am confused. Any help >is appreciated.> When you select the "image + text" output option from Acrobat Capture you essentially have a raster image with a PDF wrapper around it. Behind all this lies the "searchable" text as sort of a second layer. Image + Text is no doubt the _only_ way to go with legal type documents as it is the only way to assure 100% accuracy. There are various ways to search a PDF document. The most fundamental method is with a "word find" feature available in both Exchange and the free Reader. With this you can search _the_ open document for a key word.....much in the same way that you can do a word serch in your wordprocessing software. The more sophisticated way of searching involves building a full text index of any or all of the PDF documents you have archived. Acrobat Catalog is the tool that builds the index for you. Once you have created the index, you can search your entire PDF library for key words or phrases....including boolean and proximity searches. You can search thousands of documents in a few seconds. The free Reader, however, does not have the necessary search engine. To do this type of searching you will need Exchange. The search engine will return a list of documents containing the word you are looking for...clicking on that document will open it and take you to the precise page and reference you were seeking. Also keep in mind that with Capture the OCR engine is not 100% accurate (as is true for any OCR engine). However, the best guess of questionable words still resides behind the image. The full text searching you do with Exchange is sort of a "fuzzy" search meaning that if you can come reasonably close to the word as Capture recognized it....you should get a hit. Hope this helps. Bottomline is that the Capture "image + text" documents _are_ searchable. I believe what you will want to do is use Catalog to crete full text indexes so that you can search your entire PDF archive. Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 3-Feb-1996 18:58:57-GMT,1872;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA15662 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:58:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06932; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:40:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA06871 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:30:34 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 96 18:29 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-2-96 [V1 #151] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199602030550.XAA04087@grandcanyon.binc.net> [As a postscript, in case anyone at ADOBE reads this, may I make a plea that as a matter of urgency ADOBE establish a UK or European mirror web site alongside their American one ? With patience one can usually in time read their American web pages via the UK university internet, which has a very fast connection, but because of problems on the transatlantic link, it proves very very difficult, in most cases impossible, to download larger PDF files from the US site to the UK, or may take a matter of hours, which is very discouraging. I know that the ABOBE site is much visited, but cannot imagine that download times are so long in the US. Or are they, and do we all suffer together ? ] Martin Bulmer I couldn't agree more Martin. 5 hrs to download Amber and Netscape 2b, only for the connection to die on 3.2Mb on Netscape! I doubt whether Adobe Europe would want a mirror site though, but it would be worth a shot. Peter Mathews Computerstream Ltd Manchester UK 3-Feb-1996 22:47:25-GMT,1888;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA17079 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 15:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07788; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:30:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07735 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:28:29 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 02 Feb 96 14:57:36 PST Message-Id: <9601038233.AA823386474@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: Graphics Building Piece by Piece Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Re: Graphics Building Piece by Piece: A few tactics I converted a book containing dozens of complex EPS files from various sources rasterized for the same reason. If the graphics contain fonts or if you have th efonts, the solution is simple: use Illustratar 6.0, which is just shipping now, to open the graphic and rasterize it. Then replace the EPS file in your original page with the rasterized version. Illustrator 6.0 open ANY EPS file and rasterize it, and can even save directly as PDF. Be sure to rasterize with antialiasing on, as the line art in your cover will scale better. If the graphics are in Illustrator or Freehand, which can save as Illustrator, just use Photoshop to rasterize the vector files. But you need the fonts. Lacking the fonts, use Acrobat's graphics selection tool to capture the screen to the clipboard. You may, however, run out of clipboard memory, but varying the zoom and bit depth can help. While some programs claim to be able to convert graphics formats, EPS files really requires a full PostScript interpreter to do so. Few utilities do. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems 4-Feb-1996 4:42:06-GMT,1163;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA18784 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA09760; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:42:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA09718 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:37:58 -0600 Message-ID: <3113F20D.6C56@classroom.net> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 23:38:53 +0000 From: "Nathanael E. Waite" Reply-To: nwaite@classroom.net Organization: Classroom Connect X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Graphics Building Piece by Piece References: <9601038233.AA823386474@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Nathanael E. Waite" a great utility for converting eps files is transverter pro 3.0 it does a great job and is only about $300.00 5-Feb-1996 4:57:48-GMT,1611;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA25873 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA16631; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:54:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA16492 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:44:29 -0600 From: michaelm@ihs.com.au Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 14:21:14 Encoding: 888 Text Message-Id: <9601058235.AA823558874@hinton.ihs.com.au> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Weird image cropping Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: michaelm@ihs.com.au Hi All, Here's a little teaser for you.... I've been placing some large WMF's (full page) in Pagemaker 6.0 for Windows and exporting to PS for distilling into PDFs. The original images are actually exports from Powerpoint saved as WMF. When I create PDFs from Pagemaker the page comes out at full size but the image itself is cropped randomly so that it no longer covers as much of the page as when placed. The cropping is more or less random and is sometimes accompanied by moving of the graphic to one corner. I have tried all sorts of different image sizes but I still get the same result. Has anyone come across a similar problem or have a solution? Michael M. Multimedia Development, IHS Australia Pty Limited michaelm@ihs.com.au www.ihs.com.au 5-Feb-1996 8:11:47-GMT,3382;000000000001 Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (uacsc2.albany.edu [128.204.1.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA27633 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:11:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2659; Mon, 05 Feb 96 03:09:45 EST Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1) by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7165; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 03:09:37 -0500 Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 6769 for EMJ@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 03:09:35 -0500 Received: from ALBNYVM1 (NJE origin SMTP@ALBNYVM1) by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7158; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 03:08:20 -0500 Received: from topo.matups.fr by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 05 Feb 96 03:08:17 EST Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topo.matups.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA15532 for EMJ@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:09:41 +0100 Approved-By: Laurent Siebenmann Message-ID: <199602050809.JAA15532@topo.matups.fr> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:09:41 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Math Journals Discussion List Sender: Electronic Math Journals Discussion List From: Laurent Siebenmann Subject: Moonshine Distiller? To: Multiple recipients of list EMJ ************************************************************* * archive: http://math.albany.edu:8800/hm/emj/ * * wais index: http://nyjm.albany.edu:8000/SF/emjsearch.html * ************************************************************* I think the following is worth cross-posting: >From majordom@snorri.chem.washington.edu Thu Jan 25 08:52:00 1996 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 09:42:27 MST From: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov (Tanmoy Bhattacharya) To: hypertex-dev@snorri.chem.washington.edu Subject: Re: hyperref package Sender: owner-hypertex-dev@snorri.chem.washington.edu Reply-To: hypertex-dev@snorri.chem.washington.edu In <9601251608.AA00957@mmm.lanl.gov> dated 09:08:46 -0700 Thu January 25, 1996, Mark Doyle writes > > > Does there exist free software to distill pdf files from ps > > > or dvi files? > > > in a word, no. nor any signs of one in the offing > > Actually, Tanmoy tells me that the new ghostscript beta can distill to > PDF, but it still has some limitations (doesn't do binary > correctly). We haven't gotten a chance to really test it out yet > though. It seems like it would be well-suited to TeX-produced PS which > isn't all that complicated. Correction. No, not yet. It has problems dealing with text (it can deal with strokes and fills at the moment: but not with text! Sure it can bitmap your entire image if you please :-) ... and with my preliminary tests, I haven't gotten it to work yet. There are a lot of small hurdles before we get somewhere with it: the important thing is that the work has started. It is the first beta ... I expect it will take some time before it becomes a serious product. The binary problem that Mark mentioned has to do with LZW patent issues: the compression typically used in PDF is patented technology in the US and gs is unwilling to pay royalties! Cheers Tanmoy 5-Feb-1996 12:37:58-GMT,1645;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA28731 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 05:37:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA19700; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:37:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA19647 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:33:56 -0600 From: jfrost@mail2.lmi.org Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 07:29:25 EST Message-Id: <9601058235.AA823534778@mail2.lmi.org> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Batch processing of PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jfrost@mail2.lmi.org Please forgive this question if it's FAQ. I'm new to list and wondered has anyone solved the problem of batch conversion to PDF. For example, I have a directory with approx. 1500 word processing files, mixed format. (Word, WP, etc.) I'd like to find a piece of software or add-on that would let me select the directory or group of files and convert each file to a PDF of the same name, plus .pdf extension, without human intervention. Any ideas would be appreciated. I'm running '95 and have tried the ole drop a bunch on the printer icon and that doesn't work too well. Thanks in advance Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Frost Logistics Management Institute jfrost@lmi.org 703-917-7243 ------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Feb-1996 13:21:39-GMT,2576;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA28884 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:21:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA20092; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:21:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA20054 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:19:26 -0600 From: dhancock@arinc.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:16:27 -0500 To: jfrost@mail2.lmi.org, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Batch processing of PDF Message-Id: <96Feb5.081805est.30724@interlock.arinc.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dhancock@arinc.com Jeff Frost (jfrost@lmi.org) wrote: > Please forgive this question if it's FAQ. I'm new to list and > wondered has anyone solved the problem of batch conversion to PDF. > For example, I have a directory with approx. 1500 word processing > files, mixed format. (Word, WP, etc.) I'd like to find a piece of > software or add-on that would let me select the directory or group of > files and convert each file to a PDF of the same name, plus .pdf > extension, without human intervention. Jeff (and PDF-L): I'll describe what I do for WordPerfect (for DOS) files, and maybe it will work for part of your problem. I have a WP5.1 macro named PSPRT.WPM. When it runs, it creates a new file name by deleting a three-character extension from the current filename and then adding PS. It then prints the current document to a PostScript file with this new name. The macro then waits 45 seconds and exits WordPerfect. I then move the PostScript file into a "watched" directory, where the Acrobat Distiller wakes up and turns it into PDF. It's a hack, and it's not completely reliable. In particular, long documents or documents with WP5.1 tables take more than 45 seconds to print to PostScript, and the macro pauses, waiting for you to say it's OK to exit. If all the files in a particular directory are WordPerfect files, then the following batch file automates this process even further: WP2PS.BAT ========= for %%f in (*.wp5) do q:wp .\%%f /u=xxx /m-f:\dhancock\wp2ps\psprt The "q:" is where WordPerfect resides, "xxx" is the initials I've given WordPerfect before, and the rest of the line tells WordPerfect to run the PSPRT macro. After you've started WordPerfect as user "xxx" you must select a PostScript printer, and then exit. This ensure that the file you generate via the macro is indeed PostScript. 5-Feb-1996 13:54:05-GMT,4651;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA29030 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA20445; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:53:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA20401 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:51:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:51:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) From: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) Subject: Re: Copy&Paste Links? Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) >Matt, >If I understand you correctly, some or all of this functionality >may be coming down the road. > >For the short term, it's not too tough to write a plugin to do >this. What platform are you working with? > >I think you're looking for this: >1. Create a link that points to the middle of page 5, zoomed to 100% >and some fit type. >2. Clone that link, duplicating it in the bottom left corner of >every page/every other page/some pages in the document. > >Though the plugin to do this isn't hard to write, it may not be >the right place to do this work. If you're going to publish a >document more or less once, and you need this capability, post-processing >the pdf file via Exchange and a plugin is fine. If you're going to >want the capability for many files, or you expect many iterations >on a pdf file and don't want to run the (damn) plugin every time >through, it makes less sense. And, there's other ways to get there. > >The application which generates the PS that makes the PDF may have >such a feature built in. If not, it might be possible to make this >happen through the pdfmark operator in some intelligent way, post >processing the PostScript prior to feeding it to Distiller. > >If you can give me a better idea of your workflow, I can point you >in the right direction. (And I'll probably write the plugin either >way.) > >Mark In our current use, we have to put four technical manuals on-line for the US Army (about 8,000 pages all told). Technical manuals are highly structured, and there's a lot of cross-referencing. For instance, each manual has hundreds of pages of troubleshooting flowcharts, and let's say that the reference to the procedure for replacing a certain type of logic card occurs, oh, 200 times. That's 200 individual times I've got to go to that removal procedure from 200 different locations in the book. Now repeat this problem for maybe 500 removable components. There are two components to this problem, the hitpoint (visible or invisible) on the originating page, and the logical pointer/page location addressed by that hitpoint. I can think of two ways to ease this burden, simply copy the first hitpoint/pointer and then go to all similar spots to link from and paste the hitpoint/pointer. This would require doing all similar links at the same time, which is not really the way anyone would do it,although sometimes these multiple origins are on the same page and it would be of some benefit to have a simple copy/paste. The better approach would be to have a pull-down hot list of link destinations that could easily be added to (or deleted from). Then, as I worked my way through each flowchart, as I came across link origin points that recur frequently, I could simply select (if already created) the proper link destination from a pull-down menu or make the link in the usual way and add it to the pull-down menu (which would be user sortable by various criteria). Ideally, Acrobat would incorporate both features, so that the one that best suited the particular use at hand would be available. >From my viewpoint as a user, with what I have to do with Acrobat, it's insane that this feature does not exist. It's like having a text editor with no copy/paste. The lack of this feature is one of the primary drawbacks that I can see to the use of Acrobat. Thanks for your attention to this problem, and here's hoping for all of us that there's a solution coming soon. Matt Conlon ============================================================================== Matt Conlon Taunton, Massachusetts, USA conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com Systems Support Analyst GTE Communications Systems Division ============================================================================ == 5-Feb-1996 14:59:06-GMT,1939;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA29498 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA20829; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:58:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA20777 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:56:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199602051450.IAA40656@glacier.binc.net> To: "Matthew J. Conlon" MMDF-Warning: Unable to confirm address in preceding line at pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK cc: pdf-l@emrg.com MMDF-Warning: Unable to confirm address in preceding line at pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK Subject: Re: Copy&Paste Links? In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 05 Feb 96 07:51:09 -0600. Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 14:42:32 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith Matt, What's the source of your PDF files? Are they distilled, and if so do you have access to the application that generated the PostScript and the original source files for that application? Adding 10000 links by hand sounds pretty bad to me, even with "copy & paste". You should look into getting the application to put pdfmarks into the PostScript automatically. Frame and Ventura can do this. LaTeX can be made to do this. Any big SGML-based system should be able to do the same. You can even write Word macros to do this kind of thing. I'm sure it'd be worth looking into in the long run. Best of luck! Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 5-Feb-1996 17:00:19-GMT,1270;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA01133 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:00:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21306; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:59:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21257 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:57:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:56:55 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Bowman@admin.njit.edu (Bill Bowman) Subject: e-mail from .pdf file? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bowman@admin.njit.edu (Bill Bowman) Hello: I have a department here that wants to publish course information on the WWW. Part of what they want to publish is a print ad; I can create hot spots for some of the information (that which points to specific URLs on our web site), but I was wondering if it is possible to set up an e-mail link. Any help would be appreciated. Bill Bowman Electronic Publishing Systems Manager New Jersey Institute of Technology Bowman@admin.njit.edu 5-Feb-1996 18:02:53-GMT,1838;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA02042 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:02:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21597; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:02:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA21555 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:00:29 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:59:18 -0500 X-Sender: lcnd@ottawa.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: lcnd@ottawa.net (LC&D Internet Publishing) Subject: Re: e-mail from .pdf file? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: lcnd@ottawa.net (LC&D Internet Publishing) >Hello: > >I have a department here that wants to publish course information on the >WWW. Part of what they want to publish is a print ad; I can create hot >spots for some of the information (that which points to specific URLs on >our web site), but I was wondering if it is possible to set up an e-mail >link. Any help would be appreciated. > >Bill Bowman >Electronic Publishing Systems Manager >New Jersey Institute of Technology >Bowman@admin.njit.edu Bill, You CAN create an email link. Simply make the Weblink not a URL but a *mailto:* link. For example: mailto:Bowman@admin.njit.edu Mark _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Mark Leahy, President LC&D Internet Publishing Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA www.lcnd.com lcnd@ottawa.net voice: 613-841-8484 fax: 613-841-8483 * Where To Go on the Internet(TM): USENET and alt. Newsgroups * 5-Feb-1996 22:55:09-GMT,2873;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA05884 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:54:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA22194; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:39:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA22152 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:36:48 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:35:42 -0500 Message-Id: <9602052135.AA15072@odyssee.net> X-Sender: chenette@atlas.odyssee.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: chenette@atlas.odyssee.net (Benoit Chenette) Subject: Looking for a developper Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chenette@atlas.odyssee.net (Benoit Chenette) My firm and a partner/supplier are looking for a PDF Plug-Ins developper for the following capabilities: >From any valid PDF page, extract the page (and all its elements) and store it as a (later) embeddable Xform (forms in PDF). We believe there is also an significant opportunity to create and sell an obviously related Exchange plug-in that would pull a previously saved Xform from file and apply it to a range of pages. Note: the technique could also be used to add "special effects" to documents like seen on the Web ("New", "Cool","Check this out", and other small graphics) in a NON PROPRIETARY fashion. The need has come from 2 applications: We use PDF to distribute Payroll data (on CD-Recordable and eventually via ISDN) to (possibly) 600 hospitals across the province. We have a "line data" to PDF converter which embeds Xforms but have no easy way to create those forms. The other situation is more common: We print on pre-printed paper (letterhead and so on). The document is then formatted taking this into consideration. When a PDF is also produced, we would need a way to electronically merge the page and the underlying equivalent of the pre-printed paper (which often has been created by Desktop Publishing tools which could create a PDF as well). Anyone interested in such a development should contact me directly via e-mail. POTENTIAL USERS that are interested in knowing about this project should also contact me directly - PLEASE DO NOT SEND TO THE LIST - depending on the number of responses, I will post it or not on the list. Developpers, please include following details: Estimated development costs: Estimated timeframe: Concepts as to costs/marketing agreement: Benoit Chenette Senior Consultant, Document Technology IST Group Inc. tel: (514) 383-7220 1611 Cremazie East fax: (514) 383-7234 Montreal (Quebec) E-mail: chenette@odyssee.net Canada H2M 2P2 6-Feb-1996 5:18:02-GMT,2353;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA09109 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:17:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA24891; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:17:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA24806 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:13:34 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206051024.007493f0@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 23:10:24 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Reader 2.1 SGI available Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert Acrobat Reader 2.1 for Silicon Graphics(R) IRIX(TM) 5.3 and 6.2 is now available! The following links will download the Acrobat Reader installer archive. Two versions of the same archive are available -- one is compressed with GNU "gzip" and the other is a regular unix tar file. The gzipped version is smaller, and should download a little faster. If your Web browser is configured to handle gzipped data, you can just click on the link. Otherwise, you may need to use "Save Next Link As..." or "Save to Disk" functions of your Web browser and then unpack the file. URL: for downlaod and details. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 6-Feb-1996 10:48:38-GMT,1616;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA11569 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 03:48:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA28011; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 04:47:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA27974 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 04:46:00 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:44:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199602061044.LAA08439@mistral.ius-software.si> X-Sender: sandra@mistral.ius-software.si X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Subject: Acrobat Amber q. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Hello! I have a question - again: I would like to offer PDF documents on our WWW server via Acrobat Amber "plug-in" for Netscape 2.0. Where can I get software for creating PDF documents and CGI-BIN script to support BYTESERVER for my Web Server (running on HP-UX)? Thanks for your answers in advance, Sandra Sustarsic **************************************************************************** ********************************** Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana Crnuce tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ 6-Feb-1996 15:11:53-GMT,2160;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA12995 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:11:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29372; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:10:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA29266 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:58:53 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206145548.00897694@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 08:55:48 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Acrobat Amber q. Cc: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >I would like to offer PDF documents on our WWW server via Acrobat Amber >"plug-in" for Netscape 2.0. >Where can I get software for creating PDF documents and CGI-BIN script to >support BYTESERVER for my Web Server (running on HP-UX)? Amber is currently in beta testing and will not be ready for real time use for several months. I'm afraid you'll have to take a standby on this until the product is released in fianl form. glg +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 6-Feb-1996 15:18:43-GMT,1511;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA13053 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:18:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29478; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:18:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29430 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:15:20 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:14:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Jacqueline Pugsley To: p Subject: printing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jacqueline Pugsley We are working on an on-demand publishing project under a nationally funded electronic libraries research project. We need to deliver a pdf file to a viewer, with a publisher id code and we need the publisher identification code to be passed through to a print job. Also, can anyone suggest a non-Acrobat pdf viewer for Windows? Any suggestions would be gratefully received. Thanks in advance. Jacqueline *************************************************************** * Jacqueline Pugsley - Assistant Librarian - HADABS Team * * Tel - 0116 - 2551 551 ex 8039, E-Mail - jfp@dmu.ac.uk * *************************************************************** 6-Feb-1996 15:53:17-GMT,2865;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA13511 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:53:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29793; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:52:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29733 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:49:04 -0600 From: "Larry A. Etkin" Organization: Minnesota Extension Service To: PDF-L@emrg.com, Jacqueline Pugsley Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:47:55 CST6CDT Subject: Re: printing Reply-To: letkin@mes.umn.edu X-Confirm-Reading-To: letkin@mes.umn.edu X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Larry A. Etkin" Regarding a non-acrobat pdf, I'm not sure whether this is what you're looking for, but the January 1996 issue of PUBLISH (page 28) had an item on a new suite of PDF compatible authoring/editing/reading applications called "DocuCom" by the Zeon Corp. The article specifies it to be a Win 3.1 application. Contact phone is given as overseas in Taiwan (866-2-766-9840). E-mail at . IMHO, this development of third part pdf clones bodes well for the acceptance of pdf as a universal standard versus competitors such as Envoy and Common Ground. I'd appreciate feedback to this list if anyone goes ahead and tries out this DocuCom software. I hope this is helpful. Larry A. Etkin > Subject: printing > > We are working on an on-demand publishing project under a nationally > funded electronic libraries research project. > > We need to deliver a pdf file to a viewer, with a > publisher id code and we need the publisher identification code to be > passed through to a print job. > > Also, can anyone suggest a non-Acrobat pdf viewer for Windows? > > Any suggestions would be gratefully received. Thanks in advance. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Larry A. Etkin Senior Editor--Experiment Station Educational Development System University of Minnesota |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1420 Eckles Ave--405 Coffey Hall | PHONE: 612/625-4272 St. Paul, MN 55108-6068 | FAX: 612/625-2207 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "My interest is in the future because I'm going to spend the rest of my life there." --Charles F. Kettering (1949) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 6-Feb-1996 16:47:49-GMT,1519;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA14076 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:47:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA30169; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:46:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA30119 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:39:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199602061639.KAA26282@glacier.binc.net> To: Jacqueline Pugsley cc: p Subject: Re: printing In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 06 Feb 1996 15:14:04 +0000. Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 16:36:52 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith In your message of Tue, 06 Feb 1996 15:14:04 +0000 you said: >Also, can anyone suggest a non-Acrobat pdf viewer for Windows? I can suggest Zeon Corporation's DocuRead but I can't recommend it. What's wrong with Acrobat Reader? DocuRead is one of the company's DocuCom series. It is free for non-commercial use and available from http://www.zeon.com.tw/ Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 6-Feb-1996 17:36:32-GMT,3374;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA14770 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:36:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA30494; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:34:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA30453 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:30:46 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206172735.00ddc058@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 11:27:35 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: printing Cc: letkin@mes.umn.edu Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert At 09:47 AM 2/6/96 CST6CDT, you wrote: >Regarding a non-acrobat pdf, I'm not sure whether this is what >you're looking for, but the January 1996 issue of PUBLISH (page 28) >had an item on a new suite of PDF compatible >authoring/editing/reading applications called "DocuCom" by the Zeon >Corp. The article specifies it to be a Win 3.1 application. Contact >phone is given as overseas in Taiwan (866-2-766-9840). E-mail at >. Check out the Zeon web site at . The DocuCom free "Reader" is available here for download. I plinked around on it a little. Seemed quite adequate...no problems....though I eventaully deleted from my drive for the only reason that I did not need another PDF viewer. I guess my only complaint was that it was a bit akward to use...not because anything was wrong with it...but that I have become so accustomed to using Acrobat and instinctively looked for certain items in specific places. >IMHO, this development of third part pdf clones bodes well for the >acceptance of pdf as a universal standard versus competitors such as >Envoy and Common Ground. I'd appreciate feedback to this list if >anyone goes ahead and tries out this DocuCom software. Quote below extracted from the comp.text.pdf newsgroup a few days ago >> Envoy, direct competitor of Acrobat, now provides complete PDF and >>postscript compatibility, including support for PDF Mark from Frame and PageMaker. >> Tumbleweed >>Just a special note to all those claiming that PDF is *not* an open >>standard, a direct competitor fully supports PDF/PS/pdfmark, this would not >>be possible if the standard were not openly published. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 6-Feb-1996 20:35:21-GMT,1199;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA16933 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:35:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA31273; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:33:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA31236 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:31:27 -0600 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 09:47:28 PST Message-Id: <9601068236.AA823638221@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Copy & Paste Links Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Someone recently asked about copying and pasting a link throughout a PDF file (sorry, I deleted the original message). Be sure to check out a set of Acrobat plug-ins called "Compose" from Software Partners (415-428-0160). Compose can automatically copy & paste links to multiple pages. It can also create bookmarks based on type styles in the document... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems Incorporated 6-Feb-1996 21:25:44-GMT,1941;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA17452 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:25:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA31611; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:23:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA31560 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:20:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 96 15:19:08 -0600 Message-Id: <9602062119.AA06193@sun13.cs.wisc.edu> From: "L. Peter Deutsch" To: letkin@mes.umn.edu Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com, jfp@dmu.ac.uk In-Reply-To: (LAE@gra.mes.umn.edu) Subject: Re: printing Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "L. Peter Deutsch" > IMHO, this development of third part pdf clones bodes well for the > acceptance of pdf as a universal standard versus competitors such as > Envoy and Common Ground. I'd appreciate feedback to this list if > anyone goes ahead and tries out this DocuCom software. Aladdin Ghostscript, available from ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/ghost/aladdin, has provided bare-bones PDF previewing, printing, and conversion to raster formats and to PostScript since late last year. The current release, 3.53, does these things fairly reliably. Implementations are available for Unix, MS Windows, OS/2, and VMS. Volunteers are adding more complete Acrobat-like capability on top of Ghostscript. All of this software is free, available with source code, and unsupported (unless you get a commercial license -- e-mail me for more information). L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | temporarily :: ghost@cs.wisc.edu Menlo Park, CA 94025 | (traveling until February 27) "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 7-Feb-1996 1:51:55-GMT,2078;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA20119 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00197; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:51:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA00145 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:45:12 -0600 From: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 17:42:38 PST Message-Id: <9601068236.AA823657408@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: blueworld@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com, jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com, mbuhr@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Redesign of Adobe Acrobat Web info Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated has just redesigned the Acrobat section of our web site located at http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat. Check it out! Our goal was to make it even easier to find information regarding Adobe's Acrobat product family as well as provide you with even more information. The new "Getting Help" Section has a customer feedback form on-line. The Acrobat team wants to keep in touch with our customers. We are committed to continually improving the Acrobat product line, and the best way for us to do that is by listening to what you have to say. When it comes to Acrobat, we want to know what's on your mind. Please use this area to tell us what you like or dislike about Acrobat. What features do you find invaluable? What's missing? All of your feedback is welcome. We can't guarantee that you'll get a personal message back, but we can guarantee that your comments will be read and carefully considered by the Acrobat team. We care about what you have to say! If you're an Acrobat Reader customer, register your copy of Acrobat Reader so that we can keep you informed of the latest developments with other Acrobat products. Looking forward to your feedback! The Acrobat Team Adobe Systems Incorporated 7-Feb-1996 3:07:21-GMT,1087;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA20686 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00651; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:07:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA00607 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:05:06 -0600 From: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 18:37:57 PST Message-Id: <9601068236.AA823660677@rnbsmt11.sc.intel.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, Glenn Gernert Subject: Acrobat Training Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com Hi All: Does anybody know about some sort of training in advanced Acrobat use including Catalog, "better colors with Distiller," etc.) as well as using Acrobat plug-ins such as Capture, Compose, Amber. Information on a training center(s), class, or seminar will be greatly appreciated. Lena 7-Feb-1996 4:32:28-GMT,4527;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA21283 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:32:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA01285; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:25:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA01206 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:22:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:17:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199602070417.UAA20749@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Redesign of Adobe Acrobat Web info To: blueworld@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com, jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com In-Reply-To: <9601068236.AA823657408@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com I've posted the following "comment" on the Feedback form, but I also wanted to share these thoughts with the Lists' members. ----------------------- (Since you asked...) There's one enormous "hole" in Adobe's Customer Support organization. I'm referring to the nearly total lack of on-line technical support information to help users of Acrobat-family products. The FAQ pages on the Adobe Web site are far too few and narrow in scope to be very effective or useful for answering most of the questions that customers have. The "Tech Notes" are a good and valuable resource, but they address Developers' questions much more than end-users' issues. There is currently no way for Adobe's customers to search a database of known problems/solutions to see if a problem has previously been identified and/or (with luck) already been fixed in the latest release of a product. The various fora on Compuserve and the Internet are useful for discussions of current issues, but they provide no historical record of questions and answers. Also, their content is often as much "opinion" as "fact". Adobe urgently needs to establish something similar to the KnowledgeBase (KB) that's provided by Microsoft for all of their products. The KB should be searchable from anywhere on the Internet (as is Microsoft's), and should be linked to an FTP site containing related patches/fix modules. I'm aware that the establishment and maintenance of such a KB is a major undertaking, but surely Adobe must realize how much time would ultimately be saved if it were in-place. The majority of the content can almost certainly be extracted from the support database that already exists internally for the Adobe support line staff. Imagine how much telephone time of the first-level support staff could be saved if customers could easily locate the answers to their problems/questions in the KB. I'm sure *most* customers would rather spend their time searching for an answer to the problem instead of being on "hold" (at long-distance phone rates) waiting for the next available Support person to help them. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. thiersch@ccnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Tue, 06 Feb 96, jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: >Adobe Systems Incorporated has just redesigned the Acrobat section of our web >site located at http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat. Check it out! > >Our goal was to make it even easier to find information regarding Adobe's >Acrobat product family as well as provide you with even more information. > >The new "Getting Help" Section has a customer feedback form on-line. The >Acrobat team wants to keep in touch with our customers. We are committed to >continually improving the Acrobat product line, and the best way for us to do >that is by listening to what you have to say. When it comes to Acrobat, we want >to know what's on your mind. > >Please use this area to tell us what you like or dislike about Acrobat. What >features do you find invaluable? What's missing? All of your feedback is >welcome. We can't guarantee that you'll get a personal message back, but we can >guarantee that your comments will be read and carefully considered by the >Acrobat team. We care about what you have to say! > >If you're an Acrobat Reader customer, register your copy of Acrobat Reader so >that we can keep you informed of the latest developments with other Acrobat >products. > >Looking forward to your feedback! > >The Acrobat Team >Adobe Systems Incorporated > > > > 7-Feb-1996 4:57:33-GMT,2191;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA21434 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:57:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA01645; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:55:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA01608 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:54:53 -0600 From: RJR9119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 23:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CMYK-PDF? To: PDF-L@emrg.com Message-id: <01I0WTNJQLC4985W0V@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: RJR9119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu I am a graduate printing student at the Rochester Institute of Technology, and I am currently using Acrobat as part of a theis project. My problem is I am trying to keep my images, in the PDF document, in CMYK format. I beleive that I have created the PDFs correctly, but when I either import the final PDF back into Illustrator of Freehand as a test the images are RGB. The same happens when I print the PDF file out of Exchange to an EPS, and then try to separate that EPS file. I know that you can't produce separations directly from Acrobat, but is there a way, that I am not thinking of, to test to see if these CMYK images are staying CMYK, instead of reading through the PostScript code of the PDF file? Am I doing something wrong? Here is how I am creating the files. The PostScript files are out of Quark (Mac Platform) using a laserwriter 8.3.2 driver. It is saved as a binary file, PostScript Level 2 Compatable, and includs all fonts. I am using Distiller to create a PDF file. I have edited the Example.ps file to keep CMYK as CMYK (<< /ConvertCMYKImagesToRGB false >> setdistillerparams) by deleting the % before the command. The origional images I am using are CMYK, EPS files created in Photoshop. I have also tried TIFF images. When distillling them I am using LZW compression, instead of JPEG, for everything (text and graphics). Thanks for the Help. James Recene RJR9119@RIT.EDU 7-Feb-1996 15:01:02-GMT,2264;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA25615 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:00:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04450; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:59:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA04382 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:53:17 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960207145012.008c8798@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 08:50:12 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Acrobat Training Cc: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >Does anybody know about some sort of training in advanced Acrobat use >including Catalog, "better colors with Distiller," etc.) >as well as using Acrobat plug-ins such as Capture, Compose, Amber. > >Information on a training center(s), class, or seminar will be greatly >appreciated. Emerge provides training at our facilities in Madison, Wisconsin. We also can train at your location if the number of participants is sufficient. Schedule and registration form being sent via private e-mail (as a PDF attachement ofcourse). GLG +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 7-Feb-1996 20:13:21-GMT,2070;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA29565 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:13:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05027; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:08:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA04954 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:59:55 -0600 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 96 11:30:38 CST From: "Allan Hobgood" Message-Id: <9601078237.AA823722086@cc.perftech.com> To: "L. Peter Deutsch" , letkin@mes.umn.edu Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com, jfp@dmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: printing Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Allan Hobgood" Just became a subscriber. Can someone send me the message that referenced DocuCom software? Thanks, AH > IMHO, this development of third part pdf clones bodes well for the > acceptance of pdf as a universal standard versus competitors such as > Envoy and Common Ground. I'd appreciate feedback to this list if > anyone goes ahead and tries out this DocuCom software. Aladdin Ghostscript, available from ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/ghost/aladdin, has provided bare-bones PDF previewing, printing, and conversion to raster formats and to PostScript since late last year. The current release, 3.53, does these things fairly reliably. Implementations are available for Unix, MS Windows, OS/2, and VMS. Volunteers are adding more complete Acrobat-like capability on top of Ghostscript. All of this software is free, available with source code, and unsupported (unless you get a commercial license -- e-mail me for more information). L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | temporarily :: ghost@cs.wisc.edu Menlo Park, CA 94025 | (traveling until February 27) "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 7-Feb-1996 20:51:27-GMT,1494;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA00110 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:51:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05253; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:44:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA05203 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:42:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199602072036.AA07043@interlock.halnet.com> X-Sender: lavonna@pigeon X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 14:37:42 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: LaVonna Funkhouser Subject: Plug-Ins--Notes? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: LaVonna Funkhouser I've ignored any discussions of plug-ins up to this point, so this might be obvious. 1. Is there a plug-in for adding notes to pdf documents while using Reader 2.1? 2. Is there a plug-in for highlighting text to pdf docs while using Reader 2.1? Thanks, LaVonna LaVonna F. Funkhouser, COREComm lffunkhouser@halnet.com (work) You are invited to browse our web site: http://www.corecomm.com/corecomm/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My opinions do not officially represent anyone other than me. 7-Feb-1996 21:41:32-GMT,1507;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA00650 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA05593; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:34:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA05490 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:26:02 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:28:01 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Adobe Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <934CF241B35@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Ok, I have seen this being done, but don't know the ramifications. If I want to build an Install set of the Reader, Movie Player, and QuickTime, but NO Search (for CD-ROM distribution, what serial number do I use. I assume there is no license to build this set of software (without search). ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 7-Feb-1996 21:43:37-GMT,1807;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA00661 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:42:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA05632; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:35:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA05550 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:33:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199602072132.PAA24746@glacier.binc.net> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:31:05 -0800 X-Sender: lynnt@inet1.inetworld.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Lynn teuscher Subject: capture 1.01 failure Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Lynn teuscher I have been using capture 1.0 for about 4 months and it has worked as avertised. However, today a few days ago upgraded to the new 1.01 version that came in the mail last week and have experienced a problem. I am unable to copy two sided documents. I am running on a 486 using a HP3C Scanner with an ADF using the ISIS HP AccuPage 2.0 driver. It scans the first side ok but when it asks for the documents to be turned over and I click on OK. The following message appears. Win 32S - Error unhandled exception detected (OxC0000005 ISIS8B.8BA 1:0066) Application will be terminated When I click on OK capture terminates. Hardware wise nothing has changed. with version 1.0 I was able to scan double sided documents with only limited problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I would like feedback on others using version 1.01 for double sided documents. Thanks Lynn 7-Feb-1996 22:17:15-GMT,2252;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA01101 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:16:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06089; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:11:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA06028 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:08:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:07:30 -0800 (PST) From: Dick Gaskill Message-Id: <199602072207.OAA03316@birch.ag3d.com> To: framers@uunet.uu.net, acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: AcroRead files Cc: dickg@ag3d.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Dick Gaskill All, I know there are going to be various answers to this question, probably many opinions, but here goes. What's the best place to put the Acrobat Reader tree in Windows NT? Is it necessary for it to be in the system path? Or does it matter at all? I have the entire reader zipped (including pathnames starting with the tree). My install program can either install it automatically or ask the user for a dirname (existing or not). AcroRead, as it was installed on my HD by the Adobe installation program, looks like this: # files size ..\acroread 7 2,095,535 FONTS 4 242,597 PFM 6 17,099 HELP 2 110,749 PLUG_INS 3 212,528 Thanks, -dg AccelGraphics, Inc. @@ 1942 Zanker Road, @@@@ San Jose, CA 95112 @@ @@@@@@ @@ Dick Gaskill (408)441-1556 (main) @ @@@ @@@ @@ Technical Publications Manager (408)441-1599 (fax) @ @@@ @@@ @@ (408)467-5020 dickg@ag3d.com ____________________ @ @@@ @@@ @@@ _____________________________ (800)444-5699 (sales) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@ Customer Support http://www.ag3d.com @@@@ @@@@ (408)441-1582 info@ag3d.com @@@@ @@@@@@ support@ag3d.com ftp.ag3d.com @@@@ @@@@ 7-Feb-1996 22:47:48-GMT,2290;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA01482 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:47:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06373; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:44:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA06281 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:41:37 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAF583.835C5FE0@dialin6.esinet.net> From: Karl Schmidtmann To: "'LaVonna Funkhouser'" , "pdf-l@emrg.com" Subject: RE: Plug-Ins--Notes? Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:39:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Karl Schmidtmann LaVonna: Acrobat Reader supports a very limited sub-set of plug-ins, specifically = those that do not alter the PDF file. Tools such as text extraction and = search work with the Reader. To add highlighting and user comments you = will need Acrobat Exchange, which supports the full set of plug-ins. At = Software Partners we have a product called Re:mark that, among other = things, lets users highlight and add comments to PDF documents. Please = feel free to download a demo copy from our Web site (www.buckaroo.com). Good luck with your projects. Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners ---------- From: LaVonna Funkhouser[SMTP:lffunkhouser@halnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 1996 3:37 PM To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Plug-Ins--Notes? I've ignored any discussions of plug-ins up to this point, so this might be obvious. 1. Is there a plug-in for adding notes to pdf documents while using Reader 2.1? 2. Is there a plug-in for highlighting text to pdf docs while using Reader 2.1? Thanks, LaVonna LaVonna F. Funkhouser, COREComm =20 lffunkhouser@halnet.com (work) =20 You are invited to browse our web site: = http://www.corecomm.com/corecomm/ =20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= My opinions do not officially represent anyone other than me. 7-Feb-1996 22:52:07-GMT,2349;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA01526 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:50:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06401; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:45:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA06307 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:42:22 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960207223906.00727aac@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 16:39:06 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Plug-Ins--Notes? Cc: lffunkhouser@halnet.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >I've ignored any discussions of plug-ins up to this point, so this >might be obvious. > >1. Is there a plug-in for adding notes to pdf documents while > using Reader 2.1? > >2. Is there a plug-in for highlighting text to pdf docs while > using Reader 2.1? No to both of the above. Most plug-ins require you to have a copy of Acrobat Exchange. The free Reader has a limited API (application programmers interface). It will accept some plug-ins (like weblink and movielink etc)...but not all. Adding notes is a feature available in Exchange. Highlighting is available in the ReMark plug-in but that works only with Exchange. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 7-Feb-1996 23:12:29-GMT,1389;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA01866 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:12:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06727; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:09:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA06669 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:07:10 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:08:52 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Exchange Plug-In? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <9367D876459@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Is there a plug-in that will highlight text as a color, and permanently make the change to the PDF file? This would be an option for hyperlinks, like the standard box provided in Exchange. ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 8-Feb-1996 1:15:51-GMT,2828;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA03606 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:15:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA07690; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:12:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA07635 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:10:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:04:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199602080104.RAA04935@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Editing Capture PDFs To: PDF-L@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199602080022.QAA23690@alaska.nwlink.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Why not just use Capture to create RTF files (or some other Word Processor format of your choice)? I would think that, once the content has been captured, a Word Processor or DTP package would be the natural choice for kind of cutting/pasting and re-arranging you want to do. Once you're happy with the appearance, output to PDF would then be a trivial last step. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, "Daniel Sackett" wrote: >My company is considering using Capture to archive a library of news >clippings we've been keeping for years. It seems to handle its >mission of capturing the stuff quite well, but there's a twist in >the application that I've yet to see addressed here. Right now we >read and clip scads of newspapers to find articles that interest us; >if we decide to keep them, they are clipped and pasted onto 8.5 x 11" >paper, indexed and filed. We clip and paste because often the >articles are wrapped around other things and just don't fit in a >manageable letter-size format. Converting them to PDFs offers many >benefits--the question is this: is there some way to scan in the >articles, convert to PDF and do the clipping and pasting of the >image on screen? Wrapping the clipping/pasting function into the >capturing function would offer some attractive efficiencies. We >don't really have the capacity to print large/weird size pages, so >the letter size format is key. > >It would seem a logical step to be able to manipulate the look of the >PDF once one had gone to the trouble of capturing it. After all, once >it has been recognized, all the elements exist as outlines of text >and chunks of graphics. I know I'm desiring to stretch the uses of >the file format beyond its central mission, but then again, maybe ... > >Any info would be much appreciated. >Daniel Sackett >dsackett@newsdata.com >phone: 206.285.4848 >fax: 206.281.8035 > > > 8-Feb-1996 4:05:35-GMT,3800;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA04959 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:05:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA09244; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:03:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA09153 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:00:43 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960208035717.0087b0f4@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 21:57:17 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Editing Capture PDFs Cc: dsackett@newsdata.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert .....stuff deleted...... >-the question is this: is there some way to scan in the >articles, convert to PDF and do the clipping and pasting of the >image on screen? Wrapping the clipping/pasting function into the >capturing function would offer some attractive efficiencies. We >don't really have the capacity to print large/weird size pages, so >the letter size format is key. > >It would seem a logical step to be able to manipulate the look of the >PDF once one had gone to the trouble of capturing it. After all, once >it has been recognized, all the elements exist as outlines of text >and chunks of graphics. I know I'm desiring to stretch the uses of >the file format beyond its central mission, but then again, maybe ... It sure does not address the pasting problem, but take a look at the SuperCrop plug-in available at for free download. This makes cropping very fast and very easy. Description below: >Did you know you can crop pages using Acrobat Exchange to eliminate uneeded white >space when viewing PDF documents? Well, you can and here's a nifty Plug-In that makes >that process even easier. SuperCrop adds a new crop tool to the toolbar that looks and >works like the Adobe Photoshop crop tool. Use it to drag-select a region and crop the >current page or all pages with that crop region. You can increase the size of the >region by moving the cursor to one of the four corners and dragging it, or you can >hold down either the Command key (Mac) or Shift key (Win) to move the entire crop >region around. There's even an automatic option to crop to the bounding box of the >page. This would solve half the problem...but at best you would end up with a separate page for each crop which obviously does not make for efficient printing if that's your goal. Ever think about scanning 8.5 x 11 chunks and then threading the articles together? This would hold some possibilities also. A cool plug-in would be one which would print an entire article thread. At any rate....take a look at SuperCrop glg +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 8-Feb-1996 6:53:53-GMT,2877;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA06126 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:53:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA11010; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:51:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA10947 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:48:29 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:48:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Herbach To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Stupid Question: PDFWriter v. Distiller In-Reply-To: <199602080550.XAA10119@grandcanyon.binc.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jonathan Herbach This may seem like a stupid question (sorry!) with a twist. >From what I've gathered, you can make PDF files in two ways: 1. Distiller, which takes postscript files exported from things like PageMaker, etc and makes them into acrobat files. 2. PDFWriter, which takes the information that is normally sent to the printer and makes them into acrobat files. So, by nature, Distiller will create higher quality files. But, here are some questions: 1. How much bigger will Distiller PDFs be than PDFWriter PDFs? Will this mostly be influenced by content (text, photos, vector art, etc) ? 2. When would I want to use distiller as opposed to the PDFWriter? 3. If I have one eps file in PageMaker 6 used in 10 different locations, will the PDF file embed it 10 times, so it's taking up a lot of space? While it'd be nice if the above questions could be answered, I may not know enough to ask the "right" questions to get the answers I'm looking for... I'm trying to distribute a document that I'm creating in pagemaker. It contains a few small eps artwork, a lot of text, and our logo placed every now and then (esp. because it's on the master page). I'm intending for this to be skimmed on screen, and then printed out and used as a manual for some work. I'd like it to look nice, but I want it to be a small file so people can download it easily. Once printed, people would xerox the thing and distribute the paper copies. I'm basically using acrobat so I can include the pictures easily, have it look the way I'm intending it to be looked, and have it be easily transferable. Thanks for your help. Jonathan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jonathan Herbach / -- Simplicity is your best defense. -- jonherb@nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us / http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~jonherb - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 8-Feb-1996 8:56:01-GMT,1607;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA07407 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA11643; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 02:54:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA11593 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 02:51:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 96 08:50 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-7-96 [V1 #156] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199602080550.XAA10119@grandcanyon.binc.net> From: "Mark Czajka" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:08:52 EST Subject: Exchange Plug-In? Is there a plug-in that will highlight text as a color, and permanently make the change to the PDF file? This would be an option for hyperlinks, like the standard box provided in Exchange. Mark We've developed a plug-in called "Text-link colourizer". This module allows any text which has been bounded by the link box to be turned into colour. This product is still being trialled, and I've no idea how much we will charge for it, but if you (or anyone else for that matter) are interested, drop me a note. Regards Peter Mathews Computerstream Ltd Manchester UK pmathews@computerstream.co.uk 8-Feb-1996 11:03:27-GMT,1565;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA07945 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 04:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA12161; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 05:01:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA12104 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 04:59:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 05:58:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199602081058.FAA02376@freenet3.carleton.ca> From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re:editing Capture documents Reply-To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) I wonder if the problem described in the original question to this thread might better be solved by using one of the better OCR packages like OmniPage pro. I have just started using it and plan to use it instead of capture for many of my jobs. For an article that contains columns on different pages you can select the areas to be read (as well as graphics), keep the same paragraph formatting and have them all put on the same page, without need to go to a dtp package. Its quite easy to change what you have scanned and read into a pdf document. Best... John -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS Geological Survey of Canada and Ohana Productions 8-Feb-1996 16:35:26-GMT,1983;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA10133 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:34:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA13026; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:31:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA12953 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:19:26 -0600 From: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 08:17:50 PST Message-Id: <9601088237.AA823796333@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: blueworld@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com, shorton@mv.us.adobe.com, babcock@mv.us.adobe.com, chunt@mv.us.adobe.com, mbuhr@mv.us.adobe.com, yankovic@mv.us.adobe.com, jholland@mv.us.adobe.com, jgould@mv.us.adobe.com, jwallner@mv.us.adobe.com, flint@mv.us.adobe.com, haines@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Acrobat Catalog Offer for Acrobat Pro 2.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Special Offer to Acrobat Pro 2.1 registered users: If you bought Acrobat Pro 2.1 after Adobe Systems started bundling Acrobat Catalog in late November, and you did not receive the new bundled version that included Acrobat Catalog from your Adobe Authorized reseller, Adobe Systems Incorporated is pleased to offer you the opportunity to purchase Acrobat Catalog for $59. Acrobat Pro 2.0 registered users may upgrade to Acrobat Pro 2.1 for $89 which now includes Acrobat Catalog. Please call 1-800-27ADOBE (1-800-272-3623) with your serial number in hand and mention OFFER ID: 5-17-29-6 for this special Acrobat Catalog offer. Please specify which version of Acrobat Catalog you want: Macintosh Acrobat Catalog: 0102-2033 Windows Acrobat Catalog: 0202-2038 Thanks for your patience in letting us put this program together. Judy Kirkpatrick Acrobat Market Development jkirkpat@adobe.com 8-Feb-1996 16:45:46-GMT,3756;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA10251 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:45:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA13154; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:44:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA13111 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:43:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199602081642.KAA26020@falcon.inetnebr.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" To: jonherb@nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us, pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:42:53 +0008 Subject: Re: Stupid Question: PDFWriter v. Distiller Reply-to: snake@inetnebr.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" On 7 Feb 96, Jonathan Herbach wrote about Stupid Question: PDFWriter v. Disti: > This may seem like a stupid question (sorry!) with a twist. There are no stupid question, just stupid shows on NBC. > >From what I've gathered, you can make PDF files in two ways: > 1. Distiller, which takes postscript files exported from things like > PageMaker, etc and makes them into acrobat files. > 2. PDFWriter, which takes the information that is normally sent to the > printer and makes them into acrobat files. Essentially. Distiller converts (from what I can tell) PostScript files in PDFs. PDFWriter acts like a printer-driver that directly creates PDFs. > So, by nature, Distiller will create higher quality files. > But, here are some questions: > 1. How much bigger will Distiller PDFs be than PDFWriter PDFs? Will this > mostly be influenced by content (text, photos, vector art, etc) ? Normally the Distiller-based files will be *smaller* than those writen by PDFWriter. My assumption is that Distiller does a better job of converting PS to PDF and compressing images. > 2. When would I want to use distiller as opposed to the PDFWriter? Use Distiller when you can, PDFW if you must. > 3. If I have one eps file in PageMaker 6 used in 10 different locations, > will the PDF file embed it 10 times, so it's taking up a lot of space? Can't tell ya of the top of my head, but my guess is depends on if the file is distilled or PDFWritten. > While it'd be nice if the above questions could be answered, I may not > know enough to ask the "right" questions to get the answers I'm looking > for... I'm trying to distribute a document that I'm creating in > pagemaker. It contains a few small eps artwork, a lot of text, and our > logo placed every now and then (esp. because it's on the master page). > I'm intending for this to be skimmed on screen, and then printed out and > used as a manual for some work. I'd like it to look nice, but I want it > to be a small file so people can download it easily. Once printed, people > would xerox the thing and distribute the paper copies. I'm basically > using acrobat so I can include the pictures easily, have it look the way > I'm intending it to be looked, and have it be easily transferable. The key here (IMHO) is to use the resident fonts guaranteed to be shipped with Reader (Helvetica, how 70's). Otherwise, you've hit nail squarely on the head for the kinda of stuff we do. Please feel free to write if you have more questions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~:> Kent "Snake" Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake --------------------------------------------------- "The sad thing about artificial intelligence is that it lacks artifice and therefore intelligence." -- Jean Baudrillard 8-Feb-1996 19:32:18-GMT,1129;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA12511 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:32:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13822; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:27:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA13776 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:24:36 -0600 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 14:19:05 EST From: RPNR31A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS C SCHWEIKERT) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-334.50] Message-Id: <096.00672345.RPNR31A@prodigy.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, listproc@ucdavis.edu Subject: Exit Plug-in Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: RPNR31A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS C SCHWEIKERT) Is anyone aware of a plug-in, or even a Windows 3.1 executable that could be launched by a hyperlink, to exit/close Acrobat? I am looking for a way to allow a user to click on an Exit button to close a PDF graphical navigational aide and then close Acrobat as well. Tom 8-Feb-1996 19:43:33-GMT,1516;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA12673 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13959; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:40:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA13922 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:39:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:38:22 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com CC: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <960208193822.21e152f4@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: URL hyperlinks from one PDF document to a specific part of another? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Dear Colleagues -- I have no experience of generating PDF yet, having restricted my investigations to viewing and ex-/im-porting it via HTTP, but now a colleague needs advice: she would like to know if it is possible to create a URL hyperlink from one PDF document to a specific part of another? At the moment we have Acrobat 2.0 and Amber viewers; I imagine we need the WebLink plug-in for a start, but will we then have enough? Do we need to upgrade to 2.1? I should add that the PDF is being generated using the PDF Windows driver from Word(Im)Perfect. -------- Philip Taylor, RHBNC. 8-Feb-1996 20:29:18-GMT,1267;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA13308 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:28:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA14283; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:27:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA14247 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:25:32 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:38:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199602081838.NAA05175@pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Exporting data into an existing pdf file From: brooklyn@pipeline.com (Brooklyn Workstation) X-PipeUser: brooklyn X-PipeHub: nyc.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Brooklyn Workstation) X-Mailer: The Pipeline v3.4.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: brooklyn@pipeline.com (Brooklyn Workstation) I'm wondering if there exists a plug-in, or if Adobe is working on a plug-in, that would accept data exported from a database, and flow that data into an existing pdf file into pre-defined areas of the page. Any and all information would be greatly appreciated Matthew Parker -- Brooklyn Workstation Roxbury Group, Inc. brooklyn@pipeline.com 8-Feb-1996 22:50:44-GMT,1813;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA15270 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14725; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:44:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA14670 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:40:29 -0600 From: bsobus@vertec.com Message-ID: <311AA559.13BD@vertec.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 17:37:29 -0800 Organization: VerTec Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6b (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooklyn Workstation CC: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Exporting data into an existing pdf file References: <199602081838.NAA05175@pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bsobus@vertec.com Matthew, I think our plug-in, TranZform, would fit your needs. TranZform is a plug-in which allows you to define areas on a PDF page and fill those fields out via our fill-in module. If you have web access, you can get more information at VerTec's (http://www.vertec.com) or Emerge's (http://www.emrg.com) site. Alternatively, you can give Doug Moody or Peter Crover a call at (910) 855-9555. Regards, Brian Matther Parker wrote: > > I'm wondering if there exists a plug-in, or if Adobe is working on a > plug-in, that would accept data exported from a database, and flow that > data into an existing pdf file into pre-defined areas of the page. Any and > all information would be greatly appreciated > > Matthew Parker > -- > Brooklyn Workstation > Roxbury Group, Inc. > brooklyn@pipeline.com 8-Feb-1996 23:32:52-GMT,1964;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA15813 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:32:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA15096; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:31:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA15061 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:30:49 -0600 From: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 15:28:23 PST Message-Id: <9601088238.AA823822103@rnbsmt11.sc.intel.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: PDF-DIGEST for February-7-96 [V1 #156] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com I am looking for a plug-in that would provide color (dark green) and underscore to hypertext links in .pdf files. (The color and underscore correspond to the WinHelp conventions.) Please inform me when this plug-in will be available. Thanks. Lena Jacobson, tech. writer at Intel Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199602080550.XAA10119@grandcanyon.binc.net> From: "Mark Czajka" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:08:52 EST Subject: Exchange Plug-In? Is there a plug-in that will highlight text as a color, and permanently make the change to the PDF file? This would be an option for hyperlinks, like the standard box provided in Exchange. Mark We've developed a plug-in called "Text-link colourizer". This module allows any text which has been bounded by the link box to be turned into colour. This product is still being trialled, and I've no idea how much we will charge for it, but if you (or anyone else for that matter) are interested, drop me a note. Regards Peter Mathews Computerstream Ltd Manchester UK pmathews@computerstream.co.uk 9-Feb-1996 0:28:37-GMT,1448;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA16445 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:28:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA15534; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:27:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA15488 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:25:42 -0600 From: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 16:24:30 PST Message-Id: <9601088238.AA823825470@rnbsmt11.sc.intel.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Printing with All TEXT Colors to Black Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com Hi All, We are considering to stop printing books in addition to Acrobat files if only we could set "all colors to black" for text, not only for graphics as it is possible now in the Acrobat Print Options setup. We have code examples in red, and in .pdf format it looks good, but in hardcopy the colored text looks like barely visible black. Please suggest a solution. Many thanks in advance. Also, thank you all who responded to my previous question about Acrobat training, but unfortunately all the files were blank except for Glenn's -- thank you, Glenn, very much. Meanwhile, I found out the Adobe's training center address: adobe.train@adobe.com Regards, Lena 9-Feb-1996 0:59:02-GMT,2877;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA16804 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:58:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA15984; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:58:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA15941 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:56:58 -0600 X-Sender: todd@bway.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:54:19 -0500 To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk, pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Subject: Re: URL hyperlinks from one PDF document to a specific part of another? Cc: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) At 2:38 PM 8.2.96, Philip Taylor (RHBNC) wrote: >Dear Colleagues -- I have no experience of generating PDF yet, having >restricted my investigations to viewing and ex-/im-porting it via HTTP, but now >a colleague needs advice: she would like to know if it is possible to create a >URL hyperlink from one PDF document to a specific part of another? At the >moment we have Acrobat 2.0 and Amber viewers; I imagine we need the WebLink >plug-in for a start, but will we then have enough? Do we need to upgrade to >2.1? I should add that the PDF is being generated using the PDF Windows driver >from Word(Im)Perfect. >-------- >Philip Taylor, RHBNC. As far as I know, it's not currently possible to do what you describe. It will be possible when all Amber elements are up to speed. Dave Cornwell suggests one workaround; I've got another. Both of our suggestions are klugey; you decide whether they'll do. Presently you can links to a PDFs on the internet, but not to specific parts of them. And you can make links between specific parts of PDFs on a local system or network, provided you know the pathname between the documents. Because browsers generally download things into the same directory, you can get what you want with a Weblink and a Go-to-view link. Place them near one another and explain what each is good for. I've put up a very small example at http://www.bway.net/~todd/link.pdf ps: Mac users out there should know that they can simply command-click on the URL above to launch their browser of choice and get the resource automatically. How? Get Peter Lewis's Internet Config shareware and install the included "ICeTee" extension. Great stuff. ________________________________________ Todd Fahrner fahrner@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner The printed page transcends space and time. The printed page, the infinitude of books, must be transcended. THE ELECTRO-LIBRARY. --El Lissitzky, 1923 9-Feb-1996 3:29:37-GMT,5026;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA17965 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:29:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA16993; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:28:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA16944 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:25:52 -0600 Message-ID: <31196635.17BF@mail.concentric.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 18:55:49 -0800 From: Terry Hogan X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thiersch@ccnet.com CC: blueworld@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com, jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re: Redesign of Adobe Acrobat Web info References: <199602070417.UAA20749@ccnet.ccnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Terry Hogan I couldn't agree more! We've recently released a CD-rom product with the Acrobat Reader and we've had to deal with tech support calls that relate to the Reader. It would be great if we had the Knowledge Base to help out. > > I've posted the following "comment" on the Feedback form, but I also wanted to > share these thoughts with the Lists' members. > ----------------------- > > (Since you asked...) > > There's one enormous "hole" in Adobe's Customer Support organization. > > I'm referring to the nearly total lack of on-line technical support > information to help users of Acrobat-family products. > > The FAQ pages on the Adobe Web site are far too few and narrow in scope to be > very effective or useful for answering most of the questions that customers > have. The "Tech Notes" are a good and valuable resource, but they address > Developers' questions much more than end-users' issues. > > There is currently no way for Adobe's customers to search a database of known > problems/solutions to see if a problem has previously been identified and/or > (with luck) already been fixed in the latest release of a product. > > The various fora on Compuserve and the Internet are useful for discussions of > current issues, but they provide no historical record of questions and > answers. Also, their content is often as much "opinion" as "fact". > > Adobe urgently needs to establish something similar to the KnowledgeBase (KB) > that's provided by Microsoft for all of their products. > > The KB should be searchable from anywhere on the Internet (as is Microsoft's), > and should be linked to an FTP site containing related patches/fix modules. > > I'm aware that the establishment and maintenance of such a KB is a major > undertaking, but surely Adobe must realize how much time would ultimately be > saved if it were in-place. The majority of the content can almost certainly > be extracted from the support database that already exists internally for the > Adobe support line staff. > > Imagine how much telephone time of the first-level support staff could be > saved if customers could easily locate the answers to their problems/questions > in the KB. > > I'm sure *most* customers would rather spend their time searching for an > answer to the problem instead of being on "hold" (at long-distance phone > rates) waiting for the next available Support person to help them. > > Tom Thiersch > SOLUTIONS Software Corp. > > thiersch@ccnet.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Tue, 06 Feb 96, jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: > >Adobe Systems Incorporated has just redesigned the Acrobat section of our web > >site located at http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat Check it out! > > > >Our goal was to make it even easier to find information regarding Adobe's > >Acrobat product family as well as provide you with even more information. > > > >The new "Getting Help" Section has a customer feedback form on-line. The > >Acrobat team wants to keep in touch with our customers. We are committed to > >continually improving the Acrobat product line, and the best way for us to do > >that is by listening to what you have to say. When it comes to Acrobat, we > want > >to know what's on your mind. > > > >Please use this area to tell us what you like or dislike about Acrobat. What > >features do you find invaluable? What's missing? All of your feedback is > >welcome. We can't guarantee that you'll get a personal message back, but we > can > >guarantee that your comments will be read and carefully considered by the > >Acrobat team. We care about what you have to say! > > > >If you're an Acrobat Reader customer, register your copy of Acrobat Reader so > >that we can keep you informed of the latest developments with other Acrobat > >products. > > > >Looking forward to your feedback! > > > >The Acrobat Team > >Adobe Systems Incorporated > > > > > > > > -- Terry Hogan Product Development Coordinator Career Guidance Foundation 9-Feb-1996 6:37:37-GMT,2027;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA19169 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:37:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA18498; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:36:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA18446 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:34:47 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Herbach To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Problems w/ Helvetica Font Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jonathan Herbach I'm using a Mac Quadra 800 running 7.5.1 attached via a network to a LW Pro 630. I just got started doing some work distilling PM6 files into PDF and then editing them with Exchange 2.1. I've decided that I want to use Helvetica (I have the type 1 version installed, I may have deleted the TT version; I forget). While it looks okay in PageMaker 6, once I distill it and viewit with wither Exchange or Reader, I get problems. The text is jumbled in certain locations (and I've tried different options, and it seems to be in, more or less, the same locations). I recently tried converting it all to Times in PM6 and then distilling, and there were no such problems. I'd prefer to use Helvetica, and am wondering: - why might it be doing this - has anybody else had similar problems - how to fix my problems Thanks again. Jonathan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jonathan Herbach / -- Simplicity is your best defense. -- jonherb@nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us / http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~jonherb - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 9-Feb-1996 11:02:09-GMT,2176;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA21200 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA19593; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:01:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA19552 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:59:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199602091059.EAA25356@glacier.binc.net> To: Lena_Jacobson@ccm11.sc.intel.com cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Printing with All TEXT Colors to Black In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 08 Feb 96 16:24:30 -0800. <9601088238.AA823825470@rnbsmt11.sc.intel.com> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 96 10:54:34 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith >We are considering to stop printing books in addition to Acrobat files >if only we could set "all colors to black" for text, not only for >graphics as it is possible now in the Acrobat Print Options setup. We >have code examples in red, and in .pdf format it looks good, but in >hardcopy the colored text looks like barely visible black. Please >suggest a solution. >Many thanks in advance. You need to look at the Distiller pdfmark command for pass-through PostScript. This can be used to do what you want when printing to PostScript. However, it's not easy. It will involve writing a bit of PostScript and writing macros for your production software (if you can) to put the pdfmark commands in the PostScript file. The pass-through PostScript method won't work for printing to non-PostScript printers. Really, the best way would be to have a plugin which changed the text colour in the PDF file just before printing. Try asking David Evans . He might have some suggestions. Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 9-Feb-1996 11:03:26-GMT,1954;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA21222 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA19675; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:03:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA19640 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:02:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199602091102.FAA05714@glacier.binc.net> To: Jonathan Herbach cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Problems w/ Helvetica Font In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 08 Feb 96 22:34:37 -0800. Date: Fri, 09 Feb 96 11:00:10 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith >I'm using a Mac Quadra 800 running 7.5.1 attached via a network to a LW Pro >630. I just got started doing some work distilling PM6 files into PDF and >then editing them with Exchange 2.1. I've decided that I want to use >Helvetica (I have the type 1 version installed, I may have deleted the TT >version; I forget). While it looks okay in PageMaker 6, once I distill it >and viewit with wither Exchange or Reader, I get problems. >The text is jumbled in certain locations (and I've tried different >options, and it seems to be in, more or less, the same locations). I >recently tried converting it all to Times in PM6 and then distilling, and >there were no such problems. I'd prefer to use Helvetica, and am >wondering: >- why might it be doing this >- has anybody else had similar problems >- how to fix my problems Haven't had this problem myself -- I hardly ever use a Mac -- but make sure it's Type 1 Helvetica you're using in PageMaker and not TrueType. That might be it. Phil. 9-Feb-1996 16:19:20-GMT,1194;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA23424 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21148; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:17:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21055 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:15:06 -0600 From: PeterC7194@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:14:02 -0500 Message-ID: <960209111402_418507417@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Re:mark Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: PeterC7194@aol.com Karl: Maybe you or someone else at Software Partners can help me with this. Re:mark worked fine with our copy of Exchange 2.0, but ever since I installed Exchange 2.1 (and re-installed Re:mark) I get the following error message: "There was an error while loading the plug-in 'Remark'. Only the 68K Viewer can load this plug-in." Re:mark works fine on our Windows machines. Can you help me get the Mac version working? (I'm on an 8100/80 with 72MB of RAM.) Thanks, P. 9-Feb-1996 16:20:22-GMT,1033;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA23430 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:20:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21155; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:17:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21041 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:14:58 -0600 From: PeterC7194@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:14:06 -0500 Message-ID: <960209111405_418507315@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: GPF Print Error Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: PeterC7194@aol.com One of our users received the following message while trying to print to an HP LaserJet 4 over a Novell network: "WUSER2 caused a general protection fault in module WUSER.EXE @ 0001:2D8A" The file fails to print. He's using Windows 3.11 on a Pentium 133 with 32MB of RAM. Any idea what's happening? P. 9-Feb-1996 16:27:48-GMT,2847;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA23509 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:27:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21370; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:25:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21321 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:24:05 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:24:01 GMT X-Sender: ginnjeff@online.rednet.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: nfj@gjint.co.uk (Ginn Jeffery International plc) Subject: A Couple of Questions. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: nfj@gjint.co.uk (Ginn Jeffery International plc) Illustrious list members Having lurked on this list for a while, I now have a couple of questions that I hope you can help me with. And apologies in advance, I'm sure that the questions must have been addressed before but if so, I cannot remember or find the replies. So here goes: - Is it possible to copy links in Exchange from one page to another rather than create them afresh every time? - What is the sensible maximum size for an Acrobat file: in terms of number of pages; in terms of memory size? - Am I correct in assuming that links are saved 'on' the page one is linking from and contain simple information in the form of 'open document x, go to page y'? For the record: - We are using Quark to create presentation documents. These are Distilled and links added in Exchange. Our current versions of Distiller and Exchange are 2.0 with Reader version 2.1. - Photoshop and Illustrator files are included in the Quark documents. - We are using Power Macs for the creation work. - The finished documents are viewed on a number of different platforms including Apple Mac Powerbooks. We use Acrobat to create computer slide presentations for a number of reasons: - Small programme size for the Reader. - Low memory requirements. - Cross platform portability. - Small document size. Our only real complaint to date would probably be the lack of dissolve effects between slides but this is a small price to pay for the other benefits. We've also served up Acrobat documents from a couple of web sites to good effect. Anyway, answers to the original questions would be appreciated. TIA Simon || Simon Forster | Phone: 44 (0)171 731 6461 || || Ginn Jeffery International plc | Fax: 44 (0)171 736 1425 || || 175 Munster Road | Email: nfj@gjint.co.uk || || London SW6 6DA | Private email: || || UK | s.forster@bbcnc.org.uk || 9-Feb-1996 16:57:39-GMT,1879;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA23902 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:57:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21717; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:53:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21642 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:49:45 -0600 X-Sender: mcclosk@socrates.ucsf.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:47:21 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: "Paul McCloskey" Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-8-96 [V1 #157] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Paul McCloskey" >I would like to inquire how others are handling the maintenance of online >and hardcopy technical manuals/documentation. We currently have our >software manuals, that were originally done in MS WORD-PC, converted to >html and modified with hot-links throughout the manual. There is now >concern (and rightly so) that it will take an enormous amount of >maintenance to keep the documentation up-to-date. Without getting into >numerous revisions on several formats (i.e. Word, html, acrobat, etc.) what is >the most effcient/productive way to approach this problem? We are now >interested in converting thye Word 6.0 document from PC to the Macintosh. >The other side of the equation is SGI workstations on which the software >runs. Would Framemaker (both Mac and SGI) be a viable >solution to handling these revisions and retaining links in html and >acrobat? The >bottom line is that we want to revise only one document and keep as many >of the links in place. Any takers? Paul 9-Feb-1996 17:41:13-GMT,2330;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA24431 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:38:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA22037; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:34:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA21983 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:31:08 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAF6EA.6ABD9720@dialin3.esinet.net> From: Karl Schmidtmann To: "'Ginn Jeffery International plc'" , "pdf-l@emrg.com" Subject: RE: A Couple of Questions. Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:29:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Karl Schmidtmann Simon: I can answer one of your questions. At Software Partners we have a = publisher's toolkit, Compose, which contains a tool for copying links in = documents. You define a link once, then clone it throughout the = document. It supports "go to next page", "go to previous page" and "go = to X page" (often an index or table of contents). Compose is a, however, = Windows product. If one of the machines in your office is a PC with = Exchange, you can add the links on the PC after you have created the = documents on the Mac side. A fully functional demo copy of Compose can be downloaded from either = Software Partners's Web site (www.buckaroo.com) or from the Emerge site = (www.emrg.com). Good luck Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners 804-984-5500 ---------- From: Ginn Jeffery International plc[SMTP:nfj@gjint.co.uk] Sent: Friday, February 09, 1996 11:24 AM To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: A Couple of Questions. - Is it possible to copy links in Exchange from one page to another = rather than create them afresh every time? || Simon Forster | Phone: 44 (0)171 731 6461 || || Ginn Jeffery International plc | Fax: 44 (0)171 736 1425 || || 175 Munster Road | Email: nfj@gjint.co.uk || || London SW6 6DA | Private email: || || UK | s.forster@bbcnc.org.uk || 9-Feb-1996 18:42:45-GMT,1841;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA25110 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22433; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:38:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA22395 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:36:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:35:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Mike R. Maas" X-Sender: mmaas@eskimo.pd.tgi.plexus.com To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Printing large pages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mike R. Maas" Greetings all, At my company we use large drawings (D-size - 34x22") for schematics and mechanical drawings. We are getting set up to use PDF as a means of electronic storage and as a preferred format for exchanging documents with our customers. One problem we have is when it comes time to print the documents. Some of our customers don't have a D-Size plotter and are unable to print out the PDF files in a readable fashion (i.e. D-size fit to 8.5x11 = unreadable.) We are looking for a way to print out a D-size PDF file to multiple 8.5x11 pages without any manual operations (i.e. manual cropping and printing individual pages is unacceptable). There appears to be no way to do this with the Reader or Exchange as they are shipped from Adobe. Is anyone aware of any Plug-ins available or methods that would allow us to perfrom this operation? Thanks, Mike Maas Design Engineer Plexus Technology Group, Inc. mmaas@plexus.com 9-Feb-1996 18:55:46-GMT,1659;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA25260 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:55:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22616; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:54:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA22582 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:53:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 12:52:53 -0600 Message-Id: <9602091852.AA03598@sun13.cs.wisc.edu> From: "L. Peter Deutsch" To: mcclosk@cgl.ucsf.edu Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: (mcclosk@cgl.ucsf.edu) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-8-96 [V1 #157] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "L. Peter Deutsch" In general, the lowest-effort strategy for maintaining a document in multiple formats is to edit it in only a single format: the richest, most editable format that can be converted AUTOMATICALLY to the others. If FrameMaker can output HTML, it's an excellent choice: I know it can output PostScript, which can be converted to PDF automatically (including some provisions for embedding PDF-specific features such as links in the document), and it can also output Microsoft RTF, the format used by Microsoft Word. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | temporarily :: ghost@cs.wisc.edu Menlo Park, CA 94025 | (traveling until February 27) "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 9-Feb-1996 19:20:35-GMT,2433;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA25594 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:20:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA22789; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:06:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA22752 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:05:20 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960209190200.008c4478@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 13:02:00 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: GPF Print Error Cc: PeterC7194@aol.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert At 11:14 AM 2/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >One of our users received the following message while trying to print to an >HP LaserJet 4 over a Novell network: > >"WUSER2 caused a general protection fault in module WUSER.EXE @ 0001:2D8A" > >The file fails to print. > >He's using Windows 3.11 on a Pentium 133 with 32MB of RAM. > >Any idea what's happening? >From the Exchange Help PDF: If you experience problems printing to HP LaserJet printers in the 600-dpi mode (the newer LaserJet 4 family of printers have this capability) try switching back to 300-dpi mode or if it is equipped with a PostScript option, use the PostScript mode for 600-dpi printing. This 600-dpi PCL5 printing problem does not seem specific to Acrobat. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 9-Feb-1996 19:35:07-GMT,2555;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA25786 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:34:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA23034; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:18:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA22977 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:48 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAF6F9.2730A920@dialin3.esinet.net> From: Karl Schmidtmann To: "'Mike R. Maas'" , "PDF-L@emrg.com" Subject: RE: Printing large pages Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:16:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Karl Schmidtmann Mike: At Software Partners we will be releasing a new Acrobat product, called = Aerial, in March that contains a utility that addresses your print = needs. Aerial will allow users to tile a PDF page over several printed = sheets, as you specify, or print a selected portion of a PDF page. If = you are interested in joining the Beta test group for Aerial, please = drop a note to support@buckaroo.com . We would be pleased to enroll you = in our program. Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners ---------- From: Mike R. Maas[SMTP:mmaas@Plexus.COM] Sent: Friday, February 09, 1996 7:35 AM To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Printing large pages Greetings all, At my company we use large drawings (D-size - 34x22") for schematics and = mechanical drawings. We are getting set up to use PDF as a means of=20 electronic storage and as a preferred format for exchanging documents=20 with our customers. One problem we have is when it comes time to print=20 the documents. Some of our customers don't have a D-Size plotter and = are=20 unable to print out the PDF files in a readable fashion (i.e. D-size fit = to 8.5x11 =3D unreadable.) =20 We are looking for a way to print out a D-size PDF file to multiple=20 8.5x11 pages without any manual operations (i.e. manual cropping and=20 printing individual pages is unacceptable). There appears to be no way=20 to do this with the Reader or Exchange as they are shipped from Adobe. =20 Is anyone aware of any Plug-ins available or methods that would allow us = to perfrom this operation? Thanks, Mike Maas Design Engineer Plexus Technology Group, Inc. mmaas@plexus.com 9-Feb-1996 23:07:45-GMT,1495;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA28077 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA23891; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:06:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA23797 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:02:33 -0600 X-Sender: dlarkin@auspex.auspex.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:02:50 -0800 To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) Subject: opening only only pdf file at a time Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) I'm trying to set up our on-line documentation so that when a user clicks from one pdf file to another, the new one REPLACES the old one. Currently, each time I jump to a new pdf file, a new window opens. I can have, I believe, up to ten pdf files open at once. This is a pain if you want to close the pdf files but not quit Reader. Each file has to be closed manually. How can I set up my files so that only one pdf file is open at a time. Though I'd like to know this for the MAC and PC, I'm primarily interested with the UNIX version of Reader 2.1. thanks in advance, doug dlarkin@auspex.com 10-Feb-1996 16:52:43-GMT,1947;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA04928 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:52:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA28484; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:52:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA28428 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:45:18 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:43:21 -0500 Message-Id: <9602101643.AA06164@odyssee.net> X-Sender: chenette@atlas.odyssee.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: chenette@atlas.odyssee.net (Benoit Chenette) Subject: Problem with Windows Times font Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chenette@atlas.odyssee.net (Benoit Chenette) Hello to all, I've had a problem for a long time when using Windows Times New Roman in PDF Documents: when type is set to bold, words overlap and alignment is going crazy. Has anyone had the same problem and found a solution? I suspect sometething is wrong in the Microsoft font metrix... I can email the source and resulting PDF to those interested. Or, one can reproduce the problem by creating the following text: This is Windows Times New Roman (TT), we combine normal, bold, Italics, and Bold italics on the same line and we will see the results. The Bold is misaligned..... Environment: Windows 3.1, 3.11 and Windows 95 Microsoft Word 6.0 PDFWriter Thanks in advance Benoit Chenette Senior Consultant, Document Technology IST Group Inc. tel: (514) 383-7220 1611 Cremazie East fax: (514) 383-7234 Montreal (Quebec) E-mail: chenette@odyssee.net Canada H2M 2P2 10-Feb-1996 17:46:19-GMT,2359;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA05241 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:46:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA28766; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:45:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA28714 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:40:44 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:35:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199602101735.JAA13555@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Problem with Windows Times font To: PDF-L@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <9602101643.AA06164@odyssee.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Are you sure that you're embedding ALL fonts (see Print Setup / PDFWriter / Options / Fonts / Embed All Fonts check box)? If not, then you're going to have a conflict between the ATM version of Times and Times TT when the PDF is displayed, which could lead to misaligned characters. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, chenette@atlas.odyssee.net (Benoit Chenette) wrote: >Hello to all, > >I've had a problem for a long time when using Windows Times New Roman in PDF >Documents: when type is set to bold, words overlap and alignment is going crazy. > >Has anyone had the same problem and found a solution? I suspect sometething >is wrong in the Microsoft font metrix... > >I can email the source and resulting PDF to those interested. > >Or, one can reproduce the problem by creating the following text: > >This is Windows Times New Roman (TT), we combine normal, boldbold>, Italics, and Bold italicsitalic> on the same line and we will see the results. The Bold is >misaligned..... > >Environment: >Windows 3.1, 3.11 and Windows 95 >Microsoft Word 6.0 >PDFWriter > >Thanks in advance > >Benoit Chenette >Senior Consultant, Document Technology >IST Group Inc. tel: (514) 383-7220 >1611 Cremazie East fax: (514) 383-7234 >Montreal (Quebec) E-mail: chenette@odyssee.net >Canada H2M 2P2 > > > > 11-Feb-1996 15:46:26-GMT,1778;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA11957 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 08:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00774; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 09:45:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA00698 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 09:40:40 -0600 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 96 15:39 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-10-96 [V1 #159] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199602110550.XAA30813@grandcanyon.binc.net> I've had a problem for a long time when using Windows Times New Roman in PDF Documents: when type is set to bold, words overlap and alignment is going crazy. Has anyone had the same problem and found a solution? I suspect sometething is wrong in the Microsoft font metrix... Benoit We have a simple solution to the problems you have experienced, it is very radical, and sometimes quite expensive...that is remove True-Types from your documents. They are , in a word, horrible. Use the Adobe Type One's instead, this will reduce your error rate time after time. Type Ones aren't the general panacea to all font ills, but they do work! We have just supplied a new Corporate Font to a client, for use on all their machines Worldwide, and it is not as expensive as you may imagine. Regards Peter Mathews Computerstream Ltd Manchester UK pmathews@computerstream.co.uk 11-Feb-1996 22:08:19-GMT,1109;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA13761 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:08:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02454; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:07:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA02372 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:59:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:56:47 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199602112156.IAA00274@tornado.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: mdf@pop.netspace.net.au (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Subject: Acrobat and VB X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Can Acrobat Reader 2.1 be used for OLE Automation? Want to be able to control Acrobat Objects so that we can view PDF documents in another application using VB. Do we have to use Exchange? Martin Allen 12-Feb-1996 13:23:16-GMT,1315;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA02538 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:23:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA07579; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:21:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA07479 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:18:56 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:18:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Lisa A. Tatum" X-Sender: afn30186@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Problem w/Windows Times Font Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Lisa A. Tatum" I have had the same problem but I deal with it quite simply, in my word processor, I format the font character spacing to EXPANDED (by 1pt). It solves the spacing problem in PDF and doesn't look too bad. In fact, it is easier for on-screen reading. Lisa Tatum Florida Center for Library Automation 2002 NW 13th Street, Suite 320 Gainesville, FL 32609 fcllat@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu OR afn30186@afn.org 12-Feb-1996 13:23:19-GMT,5322;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA02542 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:23:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA07577; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:21:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA07424 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:13:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199602121312.AA03038@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:11:58 -0800 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) To: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin), PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: opening only only pdf file at a time Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.424141428" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.424141428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The AutoClose plug-in will do what you need (at least for the PC). You can edit the API file to make the max # of open docs = 1. There is also an AutoClose plug-in for the Mac, but it is set at 10, and can't be edited. :-( I got the plug-ins from the Adobe web page (www.adobe.com). +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON.... _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: opening only only pdf file at a time From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) at ~GATEWAY Date: 2/9/96 3:02 PM Received: from mark.gilbarco.com by grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 11c051e0; Fri, 9 Feb 96 18:38:22 -0800 Received: from pulm1.accessone.com by mark.gilbarco.com with SMTP id AA07578 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:38:41 -0500 Received: from 198.68.191.7 (mail.blueworld.com) by pulm1.accessone.com (4.1/ SMI- 4.1) "id AA11744; Fri, 9 Feb 96 15:20:18 PST Errors-To: acrobat@blueworld.com Received: from auspex-gw.auspex.com by pulm1.accessone.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10020; Fri, 9 Feb 96 15:02:38 PST Received: from auspex.Auspex.com (auspex-e6.auspex.com [144.48.8.10]) by auspex- g w.auspex.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA09126; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:01:54 - 080 0 Received: from [144.48.235.20] (dlarkin-mac) by auspex.Auspex.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07644; Fri, 9 Feb 96 15:01:52 PST X-Sender: dlarkin@auspex.auspex.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:02:50 -0800 To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) Subject: opening only only pdf file at a time X-Uidl: 823907545.000 Precedence: Bulk Reply-To: acrobat@blueworld.com Errors-To: acrobat@blueworld.com X-Url: http://www.blueworld.com/lists/Acrobat/ X-Listserver: ListSTAR v1.0 by StarNine Technologies, Inc. --IMA.Boundary.424141428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The AutoClose plug-in will do what you need (at least for the PC). You can edit the API file to make the max # of open docs = 1. There is also an AutoClose plug-in for the Mac, but it is set at 10, and can't be edited. :-( I got the plug-ins from the Adobe web page (www.adobe.com). +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON.... _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: opening only only pdf file at a time From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) at ~GATEWAY Date: 2/9/96 3:02 PM I'm trying to set up our on-line documentation so that when a user clicks from one pdf file to another, the new one REPLACES the old one. Currently, each time I jump to a new pdf file, a new window opens. I can have, I believe, up to ten pdf files open at once. This is a pain if you want to close the pdf files but not quit Reader. Each file has to be closed manually. How can I set up my files so that only one pdf file is open at a time. Though I'd like to know this for the MAC and PC, I'm primarily interested with the UNIX version of Reader 2.1. thanks in advance, doug dlarkin@auspex.com --IMA.Boundary.424141428-- 12-Feb-1996 15:16:02-GMT,1024;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA03444 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08312; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:15:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA08265 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:12:43 -0600 X-Sender: mcclosk@socrates.ucsf.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:15:21 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: mcclosk@cgl.ucsf.edu (Paul J. McCloskey) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-11-96 [V1 #160] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mcclosk@cgl.ucsf.edu (Paul J. McCloskey) Does anyone have any solutions for color shifting when converting Pagemaker files to .pdf? Is this a chronic problem? Paul 12-Feb-1996 17:24:12-GMT,1855;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA06586 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA08928; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:22:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA08886 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:17:28 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Sun, 12 Feb 95 12:03:54 PST Message-Id: <9601128241.AA824145412@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin), PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: opening only only pdf file at a time Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Doug: Right now there is now way to open to an external PDF file in the same window except with a custom plug-in. But this may become default behavior in the next version; what would you think of that? Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: opening only only pdf file at a time From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/9/96 3:17 PM I'm trying to set up our on-line documentation so that when a user clicks from one pdf file to another, the new one REPLACES the old one. Currently, each time I jump to a new pdf file, a new window opens. I can have, I believe, up to ten pdf files open at once. This is a pain if you want to close the pdf files but not quit Reader. Each file has to be closed manually. How can I set up my files so that only one pdf file is open at a time. Though I'd like to know this for the MAC and PC, I'm primarily interested with the UNIX version of Reader 2.1. thanks in advance, doug dlarkin@auspex.com 12-Feb-1996 21:48:47-GMT,2488;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA10093 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:48:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA09765; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:31:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA09701 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:26:51 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960212202317.008cdddc@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:23:17 -0600 To: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen), pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Acrobat and VB Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert At 08:56 AM 2/12/96 +1100, Martin Allen wrote: >Can Acrobat Reader 2.1 be used for OLE Automation? Want to be able to >control Acrobat Objects so that we can view PDF documents in another >application using VB. Do we have to use Exchange? Reader 2.1 can only be used as an OLE server, i.e., to launch a PDF file embedded in a Lotus Notes database. Reader does not, however, support full OLE automation. The Reader does not initialize itself as an OLE server until you run it for the first time. Therefore, you must run it BEFORE trying to use the OLE server functionality. You will need the OLE plug-in to make this all happen. If this will suffice, the easiest way to get the OLE plug-in is from the disk images on the Acrobat 2.1 sampler CD or the Adobe web site. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 13-Feb-1996 0:58:08-GMT,1166;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA12650 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00702; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:06:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA00619 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:02:38 -0600 From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 09:55:18 PST Message-Id: <9601128241.AA824152517@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen), pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Acrobat and VB Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com >Can Acrobat Reader 2.1 be used for OLE Automation? Want to be able to >control Acrobat Objects so that we can view PDF documents in another >application using VB. Do we have to use Exchange? >Martin Allen Hi Martin, For now you need to purchase Exchange to do this. Marketing is looking seriously at providing this functionality in the reader for Amber, though. -Greg Christopher 13-Feb-1996 13:28:20-GMT,1692;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA17651 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA04118; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 07:26:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA04021 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 07:17:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199602131317.HAA22362@glacier.binc.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 08:12:18 -0500 From: Peter Crimmin To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Bookmark query Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Peter Crimmin Query: Does anyone know if it's possible to pre-define the width of the bookmarks column when users open a document? Explanation: When users open my files, the files automatically display bookmarks. However, the width of the column is too narrow and the users must always drag the column wider. Can I preset the width? Thanks, oh knowledgeable ones, -- Peter -- 0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0 0 0 0 Peter Crimmin | Vicorp Interactive Systems, Inc. 0 0 Tel: (617) 859-1287 | 399 Boylston Street 0 0 Fax: (617) 536-6647 | Boston, Massachusetts 02116 USA 0 0 Email: pcrimmin@vis.com | 0 0 | 0 0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0 13-Feb-1996 14:21:06-GMT,2453;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA17905 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 07:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04410; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:20:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA04363 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:18:57 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:21:56 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Acrobat Reader/Exchange Licensing Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <9BDB90A1087@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" I hope a few people from Adobe see this note, but it is intended for all of the users of Acrobat on this list! First, I would like to commend Adobe for replacing the old Acrobat Exchange LE (licensing per disc) process with Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs. With the added plug-ins and install builder, you have made my life much more pleasant, reducing the software organization of our CD builds to a minimum. After talking with a few plug-in developers, over the last few weeks, it seems to me that they are exhibiting some frustrations now, because many of their plug-ins, which COULD be distributed with Reader, cannot, because, many of these plug-ins alter the PDF file, or are not supported by the limited nature of the current Reader. Although some concessions have been made on projects, using a stripped down version of Exchange, licensing is back to the per disc model at a much costlier rate than, Reader w/ Search for example. For what my two cents is worth, I recommend a new product (Adobe Acrobat Reader Pro) for example, that has a similar licensing as Adobe Acrobat Reader w/ Search, but handles more plug-ins, and carries a higher licensing fee per title (ie. $1495) because of its increased functionality. Comments? ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 13-Feb-1996 15:10:24-GMT,2333;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA18303 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04688; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:09:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA04649 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:07:40 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:38:28 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bookmark Action Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <9BDFF5C10F0@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" I am curious to know if some developers have had a unique request/change to the way the bookmarks function, from your clients. Under the Mac OS, in a folder VIEW by NAME, it seems that some Mac users are familiar with the action of double clicking on a folder name, which results in the opening of the directory, which provides a list of more files/folders. In Acrobat, when you double click on Chapter 1, as listed below: > Chapter 1 v Chapter 1 > Section 1 > Section 2 > Section 3 you will be sent to Chapter 1. To list the Section bookmarks, the user has to click on the arrow toggle. This frustrates some Mac users because they are familiar with clicking on the name, to access the next layer of files/folders. The workaround we used for this is to set the first bookmark in the document to go to a screen that says click on the > to list more bookmarks. We had to do this because there were so many bookmarks, and sub bookmarks, be had to close many of them. I know this defeats the purpose of a bookmark, but it is an interface issue which frustrates users of a common interface (such as the Mac OS). Comments? ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 13-Feb-1996 15:52:36-GMT,2444;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA18721 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:52:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04983; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:51:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA04885 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:48:46 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 07:44:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199602131544.HAA01785@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Bookmark query To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199602131317.HAA22362@glacier.binc.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Peter, In the Windows version of Reader, in the ACROREAD.INI file, you can set: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [AdobeViewer] .. DefaultSplitterPos=140 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Same thing for the Exchange (in ACROEXCH.INI). These INI files are in your \WINDOWS directory by default. Try different values until you get what you're looking for. [Disclaimer: I have no idea if this same type of thing is possible in Mac or other supported environments]. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. On Tue, 13 Feb 96, Peter Crimmin wrote: > >Query: > >Does anyone know if it's possible to pre-define the width of the >bookmarks column when users open a document? > >Explanation: > >When users open my files, the files automatically display >bookmarks. However, the width of the column is too narrow and the >users must always drag the column wider. Can I preset the width? > >Thanks, oh knowledgeable ones, > >-- >Peter >-- > > 0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0 > 0 0 > 0 Peter Crimmin | Vicorp Interactive Systems, Inc. 0 > 0 Tel: (617) 859-1287 | 399 Boylston Street 0 > 0 Fax: (617) 536-6647 | Boston, Massachusetts 02116 USA 0 > 0 Email: pcrimmin@vis.com | 0 > 0 | 0 > 0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0 > > > > > 13-Feb-1996 15:53:11-GMT,1256;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA18731 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:53:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04980; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:51:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA04914 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:49:55 -0600 Message-Id: <9602131550.AA8894@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: "Mark Czajka" Cc: pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 13 Feb 96 7:53:09 EDT Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader/Exchange Licensing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >For what my two cents is worth, I recommend a new product (Adobe Acrobat Reader Pro) >for example, that has a similar licensing as Adobe Acrobat Reader w/ Search, but handles >more plug-ins, and carries a higher licensing fee per title (ie. $1495) because of its >increased functionality. ..... Great idea! We have an immediate customer for just such an alternative. 13-Feb-1996 16:29:46-GMT,4164;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA19076 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:29:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05216; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:28:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA05161 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:25:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:20:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199602131620.IAA05670@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Bookmark Action To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <9BDFF5C10F0@agsadmin.ags.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Mark, ..And just to make it even more non-standard, the Bookmark behavior is very different in the Windows version. There, a single- (not double-) click anywhere on the Bookmark (either on the arrow or on the name) takes you to that Mark. But to expand a Bookmark, you must click directly on the arrow. A more intuitive way, consistent with the File/Folder analogy of the Windows File / Open conventions, would have been to make the double-click be the only way to "open" a Bookmark. If that Bookmark had subsections, then the subsection Marks would be shown AND the user would be positioned to the high-level Mark that was just clicked. If there were no subsections, only the the positioning would be done. It even gets worse in Exchange, where a subtle difference in where you click on the Bookmark Name will either position you to the Mark OR will put you into Edit mode on the Name of the Bookmark itself. The standard way of editing the Bookmark Name would be to use Alt plus a mouse click (or Alt+Enter, for those of us who prefer keyboards over mice) to initiate the Edit mode. The current implementation is all very awkward, IMHO, and in need of much more usability testing before being released again. Your comments about the Mac interface add even more evidence to the argument. To repeat my statement from an earlier post re: support for standard keyboard actions, "The application must conform to the [keyboard and mouse] usage standards of the platform on which it is being used". I'm going to repeat the above comments to the Feedback area on the Acrobat Home Page -- I've had positive replies from that group -- and I'd suggest you do the same with your ideas for improving the Mac interface. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, "Mark Czajka" wrote: >I am curious to know if some developers have had a unique request/change >to the way the bookmarks function, from your clients. > >Under the Mac OS, in a folder VIEW by NAME, it seems that some Mac users are familiar with the >action of double clicking on a folder name, which results in the opening of >the directory, which provides a list of more files/folders. > >In Acrobat, when you double click on Chapter 1, as listed below: > >> Chapter 1 > >v Chapter 1 > > Section 1 > > Section 2 > > Section 3 > >you will be sent to Chapter 1. To list the Section bookmarks, the user has to >click on the arrow toggle. This frustrates some Mac users because they are familiar >with clicking on the name, to access the next layer of files/folders. > >The workaround we used for this is to set the first bookmark in the document to go >to a screen that says click on the > to list more bookmarks. We had to do this because there >were so many bookmarks, and sub bookmarks, be had to close many of them. > >I know this defeats the purpose of a bookmark, but it is an interface issue which >frustrates users of a common interface (such as the Mac OS). > >Comments? > >______________automated graphic systems >_________________4590 Graphics Drive >_______________White Plains, MD 20695 >__________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 >____________Internet: http://www.ags.com >________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network > > > 13-Feb-1996 16:38:38-GMT,3127;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA19173 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:38:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05367; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:36:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA05299 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:34:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199602131633.KAA25956@glacier.binc.net> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: capture and tables.... Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:29:33 +0000 From: William S Lovegrove Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: William S Lovegrove I have been processing a large amount of Journal documents recently using Capture 1.01. On the whole the results are very good indeed. However, I would like to raise a few points which hopefully someone will be able to comment on. In the journals there are a whole bunch of tables containing all the usual data: percentages, text, numerals, etc. Capture does not recognise the internal structure of these tables particularly well. In other words, 8 times out of ten I find that capture prefers to segment the original image as a series of columns, rather than a series of lines. I find the probability of this occurring increases with the size of the tables. I have been asked to produce "Captured Output" in both PDF and ASCII text formats and this is where my problem lies. ASCII text versions of my tables are output from left to right column by column. Consequently, I have to re-format the entire contents of the table using a text editor. This involves cutting out a column entry from one part of the file and appending it onto the appropriate line in the table being constructed. This is extremely tiresome. I decided that the best plan of action was to produce the PDF output as normal and then manually grab the table using the text highlighting tool. This tool (on the top of the Acrobat menu bar) shows the text being highlighted in XY order. That is the text is highlighted from right to left across the page, and line by line down the page. I then copied the text and pasted it to my ASCII text file expecting the text to be displayed in XY order as the text highlighter tool had suggested. Unfortunately it remained in PDF order (i.e. the order it was written to the PDF file in). This is a bit useless although I acknowledge the obscurity of the problem. Has anyone come across the same problems and successfully traversed them? Can any one tell me why the text selection tool highlights in XY order and pastes in PDF order? -------------- Apologies if this topic has been dealt with before. -------------- Will Lovegrove. ____________________________________________________________________________ William Lovegrove wsl@cs.nott.ac.uk Electronic Publishing Research Group University Of Nottingham ____________________________________________________________________________ 13-Feb-1996 18:06:45-GMT,4758;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA20273 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:06:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05936; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:05:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05897 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:02:56 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960213175916.00878888@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:59:16 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: capture and tables.... Cc: wsl@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert > I have been processing a large amount of Journal documents recently >using Capture 1.01. On the whole the results are very good indeed. However, >I would like to raise a few points which hopefully someone will be able to >comment on. > > In the journals there are a whole bunch of tables containing all the >usual data: percentages, text, numerals, etc. Capture does not recognise the >internal structure of these tables particularly well. In other words, 8 times >out of ten I find that capture prefers to segment the original image as a >series of columns, rather than a series of lines. I find the probability of >this occurring increases with the size of the tables. I have been asked to >produce "Captured Output" in both PDF and ASCII text formats and this is >where my problem lies. What you are observing here is typical of Capture and is by no means unique to your particular tables. The current rev of Capture simply does _not_ handle tables well. The Capture team at Adobe acknowledges this and is working on improvements.....but for now this is what we have to work with. This is simply a matter of how Capture perceives the page structure/layout > ASCII text versions of my tables are output from left to right column >by column. Consequently, I have to re-format the entire contents of the >table using a text editor. This involves cutting out a column entry from >one part of the file and appending it onto the appropriate line in the table >being constructed. This is extremely tiresome. > > I decided that the best plan of action was to produce the PDF output as >normal and then manually grab the table using the text highlighting tool. >This tool (on the top of the Acrobat menu bar) shows the text being highlighted >in XY order. That is the text is highlighted from right to left across the >page, and line by line down the page. I then copied the text and pasted it to >my ASCII text file expecting the text to be displayed in XY order as the >text highlighter tool had suggested. Unfortunately it remained in PDF order >(i.e. the order it was written to the PDF file in). This is a bit useless >although I acknowledge the obscurity of the problem. It sounds as though you are perhaps using a standard wordprocessing package to produce your ASCII. Keep in mind that Exchange permits you to copy formatted text and graphics into any application that supports RTF....so I belive you are bringing all the formatting along with the text when you do your copy & paste.....hence you end up with text in the exact same format (order) as it was in the PDF. Someone else might want to jump in here....but I personally do not know a way to reliably and accurately achieve the results you want with Capture. As you have seen, Capture may not follow a strict "left to right - top to bottom" process in determining the structure of the page. You _may_ achieve better ASCII results with one of the standard OCR packages where page structure is ignored and it simply OCRs left to right -- top to bottom. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 13-Feb-1996 18:56:55-GMT,10336;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA21011 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:56:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06307; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:54:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA06269 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:52:23 -0600 From: jgould@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 09:58:42 PST Message-Id: <9601138242.AA824237412@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-12-96 [V1 #161] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jgould@mv.us.adobe.com Hello, I'll be out of the office Mondasy thru Thursday. I will be back in the office Friday and will respond to EMail then. -Thanks, Jim PDF-DIGEST Monday, 12 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 161 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 6 messages totalling 279 lines in this issue. Topics of the Day: 1. Re: opening only only pdf file at a time 2. Re: Problem w/Windows Times Font 3. Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-11-96 [V1 #160] 4. Re: opening only only pdf file at a time 5. Re: Acrobat and VB 6. Re: Acrobat and VB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:11:58 -0800 Subject: Re: opening only only pdf file at a time This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. - --IMA.Boundary.424141428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The AutoClose plug-in will do what you need (at least for the PC). You can edit the API file to make the max # of open docs = 1. There is also an AutoClose plug-in for the Mac, but it is set at 10, and can't be edited. :-( I got the plug-ins from the Adobe web page (www.adobe.com). +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON.... _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: opening only only pdf file at a time From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) at ~GATEWAY Date: 2/9/96 3:02 PM Received: from mark.gilbarco.com by grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 11c051e0; Fri, 9 Feb 96 18:38:22 -0800 Received: from pulm1.accessone.com by mark.gilbarco.com with SMTP id AA07578 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:38:41 -0500 Received: from 198.68.191.7 (mail.blueworld.com) by pulm1.accessone.com (4.1/ SMI- 4.1) "id AA11744; Fri, 9 Feb 96 15:20:18 PST Errors-To: acrobat@blueworld.com Received: from auspex-gw.auspex.com by pulm1.accessone.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10020; Fri, 9 Feb 96 15:02:38 PST Received: from auspex.Auspex.com (auspex-e6.auspex.com [144.48.8.10]) by auspex- g w.auspex.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA09126; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:01:54 - 080 0 Received: from [144.48.235.20] (dlarkin-mac) by auspex.Auspex.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07644; Fri, 9 Feb 96 15:01:52 PST X-Sender: dlarkin@auspex.auspex.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:02:50 -0800 To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) Subject: opening only only pdf file at a time X-Uidl: 823907545.000 Precedence: Bulk Reply-To: acrobat@blueworld.com Errors-To: acrobat@blueworld.com X-Url: http://www.blueworld.com/lists/Acrobat/ X-Listserver: ListSTAR v1.0 by StarNine Technologies, Inc. - --IMA.Boundary.424141428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The AutoClose plug-in will do what you need (at least for the PC). You can edit the API file to make the max # of open docs = 1. There is also an AutoClose plug-in for the Mac, but it is set at 10, and can't be edited. :-( I got the plug-ins from the Adobe web page (www.adobe.com). +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON.... _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: opening only only pdf file at a time From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) at ~GATEWAY Date: 2/9/96 3:02 PM I'm trying to set up our on-line documentation so that when a user clicks from one pdf file to another, the new one REPLACES the old one. Currently, each time I jump to a new pdf file, a new window opens. I can have, I believe, up to ten pdf files open at once. This is a pain if you want to close the pdf files but not quit Reader. Each file has to be closed manually. How can I set up my files so that only one pdf file is open at a time. Though I'd like to know this for the MAC and PC, I'm primarily interested with the UNIX version of Reader 2.1. thanks in advance, doug dlarkin@auspex.com - --IMA.Boundary.424141428-- ------------------------------ From: "Lisa A. Tatum" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:18:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Problem w/Windows Times Font I have had the same problem but I deal with it quite simply, in my word processor, I format the font character spacing to EXPANDED (by 1pt). It solves the spacing problem in PDF and doesn't look too bad. In fact, it is easier for on-screen reading. Lisa Tatum Florida Center for Library Automation 2002 NW 13th Street, Suite 320 Gainesville, FL 32609 fcllat@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu OR afn30186@afn.org ------------------------------ From: mcclosk@cgl.ucsf.edu (Paul J. McCloskey) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:15:21 -0800 Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-11-96 [V1 #160] Does anyone have any solutions for color shifting when converting Pagemaker files to .pdf? Is this a chronic problem? Paul ------------------------------ From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Sun, 12 Feb 95 12:03:54 PST Subject: Re: opening only only pdf file at a time Doug: Right now there is now way to open to an external PDF file in the same window except with a custom plug-in. But this may become default behavior in the next version; what would you think of that? Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: opening only only pdf file at a time From: dlarkin@auspex.com (Doug Larkin) at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/9/96 3:17 PM I'm trying to set up our on-line documentation so that when a user clicks from one pdf file to another, the new one REPLACES the old one. Currently, each time I jump to a new pdf file, a new window opens. I can have, I believe, up to ten pdf files open at once. This is a pain if you want to close the pdf files but not quit Reader. Each file has to be closed manually. How can I set up my files so that only one pdf file is open at a time. Though I'd like to know this for the MAC and PC, I'm primarily interested with the UNIX version of Reader 2.1. thanks in advance, doug dlarkin@auspex.com ------------------------------ From: Glenn Gernert Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:23:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Acrobat and VB At 08:56 AM 2/12/96 +1100, Martin Allen wrote: >Can Acrobat Reader 2.1 be used for OLE Automation? Want to be able to >control Acrobat Objects so that we can view PDF documents in another >application using VB. Do we have to use Exchange? Reader 2.1 can only be used as an OLE server, i.e., to launch a PDF file embedded in a Lotus Notes database. Reader does not, however, support full OLE automation. The Reader does not initialize itself as an OLE server until you run it for the first time. Therefore, you must run it BEFORE trying to use the OLE server functionality. You will need the OLE plug-in to make this all happen. If this will suffice, the easiest way to get the OLE plug-in is from the disk images on the Acrobat 2.1 sampler CD or the Adobe web site. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau ------------------------------ From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 09:55:18 PST Subject: Re: Acrobat and VB >Can Acrobat Reader 2.1 be used for OLE Automation? Want to be able to >control Acrobat Objects so that we can view PDF documents in another >application using VB. Do we have to use Exchange? >Martin Allen Hi Martin, For now you need to purchase Exchange to do this. Marketing is looking seriously at providing this functionality in the reader for Amber, though. - -Greg Christopher ------------------------------ End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #161 ************************* 13-Feb-1996 20:38:46-GMT,1004;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA22466 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06659; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:37:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06610 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:32:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:29:11 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199602132029.HAA13291@tornado.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: mdf@pop.netspace.net.au (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Subject: Cataloghue for UNIX X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Does anyone know if there are any plans for a UNIX version of Catalogue? Regards Martin Allen 13-Feb-1996 21:46:14-GMT,1548;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA23296 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:46:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06995; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:44:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06923 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:41:27 -0600 Message-Id: <199602132124.VAA06659@aps.org> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 16:40:46 -0500 From: markp@aps.org (Mark Pheffer) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Moving Mac PDFs to a Unix server Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: markp@aps.org (Mark Pheffer) Hi, We've been having a problem copying PDF files created on a Macintosh PowerPC to our Sequent System (Unix). It seems that the files retain some information in the header that is propriatary to the Macintosh environment. We can edit this out but it seems that there must be some way to tell the Mac that this file is going to a non-Mac machine when copying. We're using FTP to copy the files. Thanks for your help. ############################################################ Mark T. Pheffer Senior Technical Projects Specialist The American Physical Society 500 Sunnyside Blvd. e-mail: markp@aps.org Woodbury, NY 11797-2999 phone: 516-576-2369 ############################################################ 13-Feb-1996 21:51:42-GMT,2138;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA23389 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:51:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA07080; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:50:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA07041 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:49:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:21:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199602132121.NAA16630@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Bug Alert! Acrobat Search w/ Windows NT 3.51 To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com To all: I'm posting this bug alert so that others won't waste their time trying get Acrobat Search to work with Windows NT. Specifics: If you are using Windows NT 3.51 (with or without any SPs), you'll find that you always get the message "Index is not available" when you try to use Search. The Index Selection dialog will show all indexes "greyed out". This applies to any index, whether you built it yourself or whether it came with the PDFs, as on the Sampler CDs. Adobe has acknowledged this bug (I first reported it January 2, 1996, and it was a known issue at that time) but they have yet to give any ETA for a fix. Apparently, Search used to work with NT 3.1 and 3.5, but something changed in NT 3.51 that causes Search to be unusable. Since NT is about to undergo yet another fairly major release (the "4.0" GUI facelift plus the built-in Internet Information Server), things may get even worse. Given the rapid rate at which major corporations are opting to bypass Windows 95 and go straight to NT, I hope Adobe is giving this one a high priority! I'll post an update if/when this bug has been addressed. "To be forewarned is to be ..." left feeling like a beta tester ;-) Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. 13-Feb-1996 22:22:50-GMT,2337;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA23796 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:22:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07370; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:19:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07308 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:17:02 -0600 From: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil Message-Id: <9602132216.AA29360@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 14:16:18 -0800 Subject: HP DeskScan to PDF To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Cc: pat@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil first a tip, then to ask for some help on a problem I had a couple hundred pages of handwritten engineering calculations that I wanted to include as part of a report being published in PDF format. I found a quick and easy method to do this using the basic Acrobat package and a HP ScanJet 3c. Using the HP Copy software, I set the printer driver to PDFWriter. Press the Copy button, enter a filename, and you get a PDF of that page. Once all of the pages have been scanned, open the first page in Exchange. From File Manager, highlight the remaining files and drag them into the Exchange window under a thumbnail view. This multiple page insert feature is explained in the help file. Quick, cheap and easy. Now for the problem. I can't generate a color PDF using HP Copy and PDFWriter. The HP Copy software supports color copying. I can send the output directly to a color printer and get a color copy. I can print to a Postscript file using the color printer driver, Distill that and get a color PDF. I can scan the image, save it as a BMP, open up Windows Paint, print to PDFWriter and get a color PDF. I just can't get a color PDF straight out of HP Copy. I've called HP and they say it must be a problem with PDFWriter. I've not been able to get through to Adobe's tech support line (all I've gotten for the last hour is a busy signal). Can anyone provide any insight? -- Patrick R. Kane 14-Feb-1996 14:13:40-GMT,3017;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA00392 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:13:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA11463; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:12:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA11372 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:02:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 14:00 GMT From: rgriffiths@cix.compulink.co.uk (Richard Griffiths) Subject: OLE and ACROAUTO.DLL To: PDF-L@emrg.com Reply-To: rgriffiths@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rgriffiths@cix.compulink.co.uk (Richard Griffiths) I am trying to get Acrobat Exchange and SQLWindows talking to each other via OLE2. With the current Acrobat SDK, Adobe support MS Visual Basic and MS Visual C++ as development environments. For other environments you have to use the supplied acrobat dynamic link library - ACROAUTO.DLL. This can be used from within other applications to access OLE Automation in Acrobat Exchange. The relevant bits on linking external libraries are included in the Gupta manuals and I've had no problem linking in the DLL and creating an APL. The problem arises in the actual implementation of the Acrobat objects as C structures due to the way in which the DLL works. You also have to resort to handling C structures within SQLWindows and that's really not needed if you have a proper OLE implementation. It should be a case of "there's your object - access it", rather than all this faffing around. Also if you use it stand-alone, as a straight set of external functions - you aren't able to access the flashy bits of OLE2 - the menu imbedding and user interface negotiation. What you'll get is DDE with some frills - but not many. To avoid all of these problems Gupta supplied the OLE2 class wizard - this picks up the information from the registry and a supplied definition file or type-lib and creates all the code and class functions that you need. However this only works if the interface is implemented al'la Bill Gates. This is where Adobe fall down (understatement) and you have to resort to the DLL. So my main question is, why do it that way and why not make in nice and easy for some of us who don't use VB or C (very much tongue in cheek). Are there any plans to change the OLE interface to make it a bit more managable for poor Mr Lazy here ;-) And more importantly - IS THERE ANY DOCUMENTATION ON THE DLL??? I can't find anything within the SDK. Hoping (pleading?) for some answers ... -- Richard Griffiths ----------------------- Casnewydd -- De Cymru -- rgriffiths@cix.compulink.co.uk '..cataplulatam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.' 14-Feb-1996 15:09:25-GMT,2509;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA00795 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA11685; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:08:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA11650 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:06:05 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:04:51 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Layman Subject: Re: Adobe Acrobat (fwd) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Richard Layman I was going through my mailbox (archive) and came across this. Wonder if anyone had any comments. (The post below is in regard to people accessing Adobe Acrobat documents via the Web.) Richard Layman, Mgr., Business Development, and Research Producer Computer Television Network, 825 6th St. NE, Washington, DC 20002-4325 ---- 202-544-5722 ---- 202-543-6730 (fax) ---- rllayman@netcom.com http://www.phoenix.net/~ctn ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 15:38:03 -0600 From: Eric Meyer To: online-news@marketplace.com Subject: Re: Adobe Acrobat >From ISJREP@aol.com's comments, posted at 10:06 on 17 Nov 95: > Has anyone used this software before? I seem to remember a thread > about it a long time ago..... No, but.... One of the odd things about running a service like NewsLink is that lots of users come to you with problems they have in accessing particular on-line services. Readers seems to have inordinate difficulties with Acrobat papers. The Acrobat reader seems to be hard to download, hard to configure and hard to operate for many readers. Downloading an individual issue, readers will get a character of garble and lose the whole thing. The problems go on and on. Most get very discouraged very quickly. ______________________________________________________________________ Eric K. Meyer N e w s L i n k 2,152 media links meyer@newslink.org Research & Consulting http://www.newslink.org Now available from NewsLink Research: "Tomorrow's News Today: A strategic guide to on-line publishing" For free preview, write to report@newslink.org 14-Feb-1996 15:36:22-GMT,1736;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA01115 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:36:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA11877; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:35:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA11839 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:34:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 8:31:52 MST Message-Id: From: "Karen Holman" To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Adobe Acrobat (fwd) X-Incognito-Sn: 204 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=1.75 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Karen Holman" Re Acrobat being hard to download, configure, and use with browsers: Our Web site went on-line in March with over 500 PDF pubs. Between April 1, 1995 and January 31, 1996 users downloaded over 14,700 PDF files. That's not menu hits, that's downloaded PDFs. Use has risen steadily from just over 500 downloads in April to over 2,000 in each of the last 3 months. When I set our Web site up, I was concerned about doing PDF instead of HTML but not any more. ================================================================= Karen L. Holman kholman@vines.colostate.edu Electronic Information Specialist Voice: (970) 491-6432 Outreach Relations FAX: (970) 491-6433 271 Aylesworth Hall, SW Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/ ================================================================= 14-Feb-1996 16:46:35-GMT,1116;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA02005 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12212; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:44:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA12165 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:42:22 -0600 From: Oliver Parker Message-Id: <9602131335.AA19440@charlesworth.com> Subject: selective searches To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:35:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Oliver Parker Hi, I have a quiry on Acrobat (maybe it concerns Catalogue?). If I want to create a search facility that will search just headers of a specific level is this possible? What I want to avoid is the full text search. -- Oli. --- **HEY**....*who took the cork off my lunch??* :o) --- 14-Feb-1996 19:44:14-GMT,2283;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA04603 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:44:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA12731; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:40:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA12675 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:35:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:34:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199602141934.LAA16738@blob.best.net> X-Sender: paknad@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Deidre Paknad Subject: Re: Adobe Acrobat (fwd) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Deidre Paknad I totally concur.... in my browsing, I have downloaded everything from one page flyers to 200 pages manuals in PDF format. It was fast, easy, and there were no fidelity problems. Perhaps the original complaint was a little dated...? Deidre Paknad Glyphica Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 8:31:52 MST >From: "Karen Holman" >To: pdf-l@emrg.com >Subject: Re: Adobe Acrobat (fwd) > >Re Acrobat being hard to download, configure, and use with browsers: > >Our Web site went on-line in March with over 500 PDF pubs. Between >April 1, 1995 and January 31, 1996 users downloaded over 14,700 PDF >files. That's not menu hits, that's downloaded PDFs. Use has risen >steadily from just over 500 downloads in April to over 2,000 in each >of the last 3 months. > >When I set our Web site up, I was concerned about doing PDF instead >of HTML but not any more. > >================================================================= >Karen L. Holman kholman@vines.colostate.edu >Electronic Information Specialist Voice: (970) 491-6432 >Outreach Relations FAX: (970) 491-6433 >271 Aylesworth Hall, SW >Colorado State University >Fort Collins, CO 80523 > http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/ >================================================================= > > 14-Feb-1996 21:23:09-GMT,2482;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA05824 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:23:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA13397; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:18:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA13331 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:09:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:43:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199602142043.MAA21784@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Bug Alert! Acrobat Search w/ Windows NT 3.51 To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <960214123002.ZM2207@aeolus> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Todd, Thanks for checking into this! I could have sworn that I tested this bug on NT 3.51 @ SP3, but I guess something has changed since I last checked. I just re-tested on that machine and on another, and "you are correct, sir". The bug is indeed no longer present. Maybe it was a lingering old DLL or some other artifact... Anyway, since SP2 is now essentially mandatory if you want to get service from Microsoft, I guess this is no longer an issue. I'll be calling my contact at Adobe to let him know, too. Regards and thanks again. Tom Thiersch On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, "Todd Bowman" wrote: >On Feb 14, 12:21am, Tom Thiersch wrote: >> If you are using Windows NT 3.51 (with or without any SPs), you'll >> find that you always get the message "Index is not available" when you >> try to use Search. The Index Selection dialog will show all indexes >> "greyed out". This applies to any index, whether you built it yourself >> or whether it came with the PDFs, as on the Sampler CDs. > >The problem is with the Verity Search engine. I ran into similar problems >and called Verity direct after not recieving an answer from Adobe. > >Verity found a ref. to the problem and said that applying Service Patch 2 >should fix the problem. IT DID!! I now have FULL functionallity of >the Search facility on NT 3.51. > >I called Adobe Tech Support with the fix. Apperently it hasn't made it >into their DB yet. > >Regards, >Todd Bowman >bowman@trcinc.com >The Technical Resource Connection, Inc. > > > > > 14-Feb-1996 21:53:31-GMT,1689;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA06222 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA13602; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:51:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA13555 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:49:17 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:47:03 GMT Message-Id: <199602142147.AA13112@felix.dircon.co.uk> X-Sender: docctrla@popmail.dircon.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: davec@docctrl.co.uk (Dave Cornwell) Subject: Capture 1.01 problemettes Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: davec@docctrl.co.uk (Dave Cornwell) Hello enormous listening world A couple of Capture problemettes on which any comments would be gratefully received. Everytime we exit capture (1.01) and go back in again it would appear to lose its settings even though capture.ini would appear to be correct. However if we then use the Refresh Device List command from the menu it is possible to select the correct setting (deskscan 2.3) again. All ideas and comments will be gratefully received. Many thanks . Dave Cornwell, Sales Director Computerised Document Control Ltd PO Box 5, Chepstow, Gwent, NP6 6YU United Kingdom Tel (+44) 1291 641554 Fax (+44) 1291 641817 Document Systems Specialists www.docctrl.co.uk/docctrl is our web site 14-Feb-1996 22:28:58-GMT,3471;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA06698 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:27:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA13918; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:24:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA13816 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:21:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199602142221.QAA26570@glacier.binc.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:19:43 -0800 X-Sender: lynnt@inet1.inetworld.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Glenn Gernert From: Lynn teuscher Subject: Re: capture 1.01 failure Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Lynn teuscher At 10:33 PM 2/7/96 -0600, you wrote: >Lynn: > >I have forwarded your message to the Acrobat Capture team at Adobe to make >sure they see it...though they do monitor this list on a fairly regular basis. > >Off the record....here are a couple things *I* would try...though I >certainly can _not_ guarantee the results. > >It appears as though the problem probably lies in the scanner driver. First >I would reinstall the scanner driver from your 1.01 disks. This can be >easily done without reinstalling the entire Capture product. The option to >install just a scanner driver is available in the setup routine. See if >this fixes it. > >If not...I would try installing the old 1.0 scanner driver since this one >appeared to work ok. You will need to run the 1.0 setup and once again >choose the option to install the scanner driver only. If this does not >work....you will want to reinstall the 1.01 driver again since this >supposedly is the latest and greatest. > >Let me know if you have any success. > >Glenn > Glenn Thanks for your suggestions. I haven't solved this problem yet but I have learned that either of the capture drivers did not work. For your information I'll give you a list of what I've tried and the results. Per Adobe Technical support I have tried to reinstall win32S and that did not solve the problem. I also downloaded the latest win32s from Microsoft and that did not solve the problem. When testing another suggestion regarding using HPCOPY and the PDF writer to create documents, I found that the scanner locked up frequently so I downloaded the latest HPCOPY version and found it worked much better. (no lockup's). It may be there is a better acupage driver around but I haven't located it yet. I have not "switched to windows 95" as one of the Adobe Tech. Support staff suggested. I think that for the interim I will simply copy the back pages and do the scanning as a single sided stack. If I learn anything else I'll advise you. Thanks for responding. As always getting ideas from someone else shortens the path to a solution. ----------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Lynn Teuscher | | | | 347 Cerro Street | Email lynnt@inet1.inetworld.net | | Encinitas, CA 92023 | | +----------------------------------------------------------+ 14-Feb-1996 22:30:35-GMT,4417;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA06706 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:28:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA13923; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:24:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA13842 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:22:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199602142221.QAA26414@glacier.binc.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:19:21 -0800 X-Sender: lynnt@inet1.inetworld.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil From: Lynn teuscher Subject: Re: HP DeskScan to PDF Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Lynn teuscher At 02:16 PM 2/13/96 -0800, you wrote: >first a tip, then to ask for some help on a problem > >I had a couple hundred pages of handwritten engineering calculations that I >wanted to include as part of a report being published in PDF format. I found >a quick and easy method to do this using the basic Acrobat package and a HP >ScanJet 3c. Using the HP Copy software, I set the printer driver to >PDFWriter. Press the Copy button, enter a filename, and you get a PDF of >that page. Once all of the pages have been scanned, open the first page in >Exchange. From File Manager, highlight the remaining files and drag them >into the Exchange window under a thumbnail view. This multiple page insert >feature is explained in the help file. Quick, cheap and easy. > >Now for the problem. I can't generate a color PDF using HP Copy and >PDFWriter. The HP Copy software supports color copying. I can send the >output directly to a color printer and get a color copy. I can print to a >Postscript file using the color printer driver, Distill that and get a color >PDF. I can scan the image, save it as a BMP, open up Windows Paint, print to >PDFWriter and get a color PDF. I just can't get a color PDF straight out of >HP Copy. > >I've called HP and they say it must be a problem with PDFWriter. I've not >been able to get through to Adobe's tech support line (all I've gotten for >the last hour is a busy signal). Can anyone provide any insight? > >-- >Patrick R. Kane > > You don't specifically state but I'm assuming that you are using a windows PC. I have a similar setup running windows 3.11 and have a ADF (automatic document feeder). I had not thought of using this software to generate a PDF file but it is an excellent idea and I tried it this morning. I have several pages of images that I needed to convert to PDF and this approach is much faster than using ADOBE Capture. By the way, with the ADF, all of the pages in the stack go into one PDF file. Regarding you color PDF. I was able to do it with some difficulty (only at 150 and 300 DPI) settings for PDF writer. Also the scanner would frequently "hang" and I would have to reset. However, I decided to download the latest version of HPCOPY with updated drivers. (version 2.0) I got if from compuserve. Its about 2.4 MB. When I installed the new version, the whole system worked very well, I could use up to 600 dpi (the pdf's are very large 4+ mb per page and of course no improvement on the display). I am using the PDF writer that came with capture 1.01 which I believe is the same as came with Exchange 2.1. If you don't have the latest HP software maybe that will help. One other factor might be the amount of virtual memory you are using. I am using 50MB. I know that capture will hang if the virtual memory is too small. I think all the adobe software uses a lot of memory. If I can be of further help let me know. I can certainly try things and would like to have someone to ask questions if I have a problem. Lynn ----------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Lynn Teuscher | | | | 347 Cerro Street | Email lynnt@inet1.inetworld.net | | Encinitas, CA 92023 | | +----------------------------------------------------------+ 14-Feb-1996 23:18:47-GMT,3825;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA07305 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:18:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14579; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:16:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA14531 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:14:17 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: h+vx &Gb 14 Feb 95 17:16:02 PST Message-Id: <9601148243.AA824336626@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: markp@aps.org (Mark Pheffer), pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Moving Mac PDFs to a Unix server Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Mark: Fortunately this is not an Acrobat problem but a file system/transfer one. Easy to fix: here's one solution. There may be others. 1. Change the PDF file's Type from "PDF " to "TEXT". This will not effect Acrobat on the Mac because both types are supported. You can do this using software like Resedit or Disktop, or AppleScript, or various shareware utilities. My favorite file type changer is called File Fanatic and can do multiple files at once. Applescript is a good production solution. 2. If you are using Fetch to FTP your files, set the "Preferences:Upload:Default Text Format" choice to either Text or Raw Data. One of these should work. Don't choose Wrapped Text, as that may damage the file. Why is this necessary? On PCs and UNIX systems, file name extensions like ".htm" or ".gif" or ".txt" are used to tell the operating system what application to launch to open a file when clicked. On Macintosh, files can be named anything you want. To differentiate document types, however, Mac files have two sections called Forks. One is called the Resource Fork, the other Data. PDF files are all Data _but_ when they are created on Macs, the creating application, say Distiller, adds a short Resource that says what "types" the PDF file as "PDF " so it picks up its desktop icon automatically and launches Exchange or Reader when double-clicked. The Macintosh approach is more elegant, unless you think DOS is still the best OS, but it doesn't translate seamlessly the file extension based OS's. Programs make assumptions when they see file Types and in your case, the Resource fork was probably prepended to the Data fork for transfer. Hence the gargbage at the front of file. The original Type for PDF documents was "TEXT" when 7 Bit ASCII was the default format. When we made 8 bit ASCII the default, it was cahnged to "PDF ". Either works. "CARO", the document Creater tag, was probebly derived from Carousel, the previous code name for Acrobat. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Moving Mac PDFs to a Unix server From: markp@aps.org (Mark Pheffer) at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/13/96 4:40 PM Hi, We've been having a problem copying PDF files created on a Macintosh PowerPC to our Sequent System (Unix). It seems that the files retain some information in the header that is propriatary to the Macintosh environment. We can edit this out but it seems that there must be some way to tell the Mac that this file is going to a non-Mac machine when copying. We're using FTP to copy the files. Thanks for your help. ############################################################ Mark T. Pheffer Senior Technical Projects Specialist The American Physical Society 500 Sunnyside Blvd. e-mail: markp@aps.org Woodbury, NY 11797-2999 phone: 516-576-2369 ############################################################ 14-Feb-1996 23:30:47-GMT,1658;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA07509 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14792; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:28:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA14720 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:26:13 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: F~Pj 14 Feb 95 18:08:35 PDT Message-Id: <9601148243.AA824340247@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: RPNR31A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS C SCHWEIKERT), PDF-L@emrg.com, listproc@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Exit Plug-in Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Reader plug-in developers like Magnetic Press in New York can easily create such a Link action under contract. Reader plug-ins are licensable for use on the Acrobat Search for CD ROM product; at present we do not allow plug-ins for Reader in general. Regular Acrobat SDK developers can create plug-ins like this as well for Exchange. Gary Cosimini Adobe Sytems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Exit Plug-in From: RPNR31A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS C SCHWEIKERT) at cc_smtp5 Date: 2/8/96 8:09 PM Is anyone aware of a plug-in, or even a Windows 3.1 executable that could be launched by a hyperlink, to exit/close Acrobat? I am looking for a way to allow a user to click on an Exit button to close a PDF graphical navigational aide and then close Acrobat as well. Tom 14-Feb-1996 23:58:24-GMT,2428;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA07820 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:58:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA15174; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:57:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA15130 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:54:15 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:53:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199602142353.RAA17140@glacier.binc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: RPNR31A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS C SCHWEIKERT), PDF-L@emrg.com, listproc@ucdavis.edu From: jcook@emrg.com (John Cook) Subject: Re: Exit Plug-in Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jcook@emrg.com (John Cook) FYI, EMERGE in Madison, Wisconsin is also an authorized "Reader plug-in developer." Indeed, I'd be happy to chat with anyone who is seriously interested in customizing the Search viewer for their particular implementation of .PDF on CD!! John Cook, EMERGE 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, Wisconsin 53719 Phone - 800-829-2459 Fax - 608-829-3561 Home Page - http://www.emrg.com ************ Madiso, WI >From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com >Date: F~Pj 14 Feb 95 18:08:35 PDT >To: RPNR31A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS C SCHWEIKERT), PDF-L@emrg.com, > listproc@ucdavis.edu >Subject: Re: Exit Plug-in >Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com >Precedence: bulk >X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com > > >Reader plug-in developers like Magnetic Press in New York can easily create >such >a Link action under contract. Reader plug-ins are licensable for use on the >Acrobat Search for CD ROM product; at present we do not allow plug-ins for >Reader in general. > >Regular Acrobat SDK developers can create plug-ins like this as well for >Exchange. > >Gary Cosimini >Adobe Sytems >_______________________________________________________________________________ >Subject: Exit Plug-in >From: RPNR31A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS C SCHWEIKERT) at cc_smtp5 >Date: 2/8/96 8:09 PM > >Is anyone aware of a plug-in, or even a Windows 3.1 executable that >could be launched by a hyperlink, to exit/close Acrobat? I am looking >for a way to allow a user to click on an Exit button to close a PDF >graphical navigational aide and then close Acrobat as well. > >Tom > > > 15-Feb-1996 3:43:58-GMT,1467;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA09405 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:43:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA16123; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:42:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA16085 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:40:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:39:43 -0500 (EST) From: DAVID L DIMICH To: pdf mailing list Subject: .pdf files for amusement parks, movies, tv, etc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: DAVID L DIMICH if anybody has www sites for the above mentioned stuff, please email me. i know that www.disney.com has a .pdf file for disney info. ______________________________________________________________________________ Dave Dimich Brock University Business/Math Major email:dd94bu@badger.ac.brocku.ca St.Catharines,Ontario. CANADA :ddimich@freenet.npiec.on.ca "I wouldn't want to Break Your Heart" ..... BNL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 15-Feb-1996 5:14:27-GMT,1891;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA09732 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:14:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA16782; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:14:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA16747 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:13:04 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:42:12 +1030 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) Subject: Exporting text from a .pdf file Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) This has probably come up before, but I was wondering if there was any way of exporting the text form a .pdf file to any other plain- or rich-text format. I know that it is possible to copy and paste a page at a time, but copying doesn't seem to work across multiple pages. Any ideas? PS: I'm not looking for a way to break the PDF security feature - just a way to rip all of the text out of a file to which I already have full access. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Henry Penninkilampi (htp@dove.mtx.net.au) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Join "EvangeList", Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple list-server of good| |news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. To subscribe to| |EvangeList, send an e-mail to: listproc@solutions.apple.com, and include| |in the body of the message the text: Subscribe Macway | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 15-Feb-1996 14:59:06-GMT,4100;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA13359 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 07:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA19086; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:57:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA19005 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:46:57 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960215144306.00903e1c@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:43:06 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: HP DeskScan to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >>I had a couple hundred pages of handwritten engineering calculations that I >>wanted to include as part of a report being published in PDF format. I found >>a quick and easy method to do this using the basic Acrobat package and a HP >>ScanJet 3c. Using the HP Copy software, I set the printer driver to >>PDFWriter. Press the Copy button, enter a filename, and you get a PDF of >>that page. Once all of the pages have been scanned, open the first page in >>Exchange. From File Manager, highlight the remaining files and drag them >>into the Exchange window under a thumbnail view. This multiple page insert >>feature is explained in the help file. Quick, cheap and easy. >You don't specifically state but I'm assuming that you are using a windows >PC. I have a similar setup running windows 3.11 and have a ADF (automatic >document >feeder). I had not thought of using this software to generate a PDF file but >it is an excellent idea and I tried it this morning. I have several pages of >images that I needed to convert to PDF and this approach is much faster than >using ADOBE Capture. Yes, this is a neat idea for simple TIFF to PDF coversions. However, do keep in mind that what you end up with is simply a PDF image. Like a TIFF, this PDF cam not be searched. The ability to index and search the resulting PDF is probably one of the biggest virtues of Capture. But again, there are times when you simply need a PDF "image only" and this is certainly a quick, easy and cheap way to get there. This same basic technique should work for any application that allows viewing and printing of TIFF images.....not just HP-Copy >Regarding you color PDF. I was able to do it with some difficulty (only at >150 and 300 DPI) settings for PDF writer. Also the scanner would frequently >"hang" >and I would have to reset. However, I decided to download the latest >version of HPCOPY with updated drivers. (version 2.0) I got if from >compuserve. Its about >2.4 MB. When I installed the new version, the whole system worked very well, I >could use up to 600 dpi (the pdf's are very large 4+ mb per page and of course >no improvement on the display). I am using the PDF writer that came with >capture 1.01 which I believe is the same as came with Exchange 2.1. No...Capture actually comes with a slightly revised version of PDF-Writer (rev 2.01). PDF-Writer 2.0 comes with Exchange. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 15-Feb-1996 20:04:57-GMT,2296;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA17246 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:04:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA20286; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:03:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA20239 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:00:06 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: 15 Feb 95 14:36:47 PST Message-Id: <9601158244.AA824413784@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi), pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Exporting text from a .pdf file Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com In Windows Exchange, menu item "Edit:Copy File to Clipboard" copies the _entire_ PDF file into Rich Text Format. You may then paste it into Word or any other application that accepts RTF from the clipboard. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Exporting text from a .pdf file From: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/14/96 10:21 PM This has probably come up before, but I was wondering if there was any way of exporting the text form a .pdf file to any other plain- or rich-text format. I know that it is possible to copy and paste a page at a time, but copying doesn't seem to work across multiple pages. Any ideas? PS: I'm not looking for a way to break the PDF security feature - just a way to rip all of the text out of a file to which I already have full access. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Henry Penninkilampi (htp@dove.mtx.net.au) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Join "EvangeList", Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple list-server of good| |news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. To subscribe to| |EvangeList, send an e-mail to: listproc@solutions.apple.com, and include| |in the body of the message the text: Subscribe Macway | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 15-Feb-1996 20:53:18-GMT,2200;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA17805 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:53:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA20445; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:13:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA20401 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:11:50 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAFBB7.D56D3180@dialin7.esinet.net> From: Karl Schmidtmann To: "'pdf-l@emrg.com'" Subject: Compose 2.0 product release Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:07:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Karl Schmidtmann The following is a product release announcement.=20 Software Partners today is proud to announce a major upgrade to our = Acrobat publisher's toolkit Compose. Compose 2.0 is a plug-in product = for Acrobat Exchange that streamlines document production tasks. Compose = automates repetitive chores with these powerful, yet simple, end user = tools:=20 Bookmarks by Example automatically creates bookmarks from chapter and = section headings. Page Linker automatically links table of contents and index pages. Copy Link copies hypertext links throughout a document. Batch Meister sets file security options and file open defaults in = batch. Auditor checks for broken links and bookmarks and fixes them right on = the spot. Chain Linker automatically links together all instances of a word or = text string. Document Composer assembles and repaginates composite documents. Table of Contents Builder constructs a master table of contents linked = to associated PDF documents. InfoFill populates the General Information Fields in a group of PDF = documents. PDF Launcher launches documents by title or author instead of DOS file = name. For more information, please contact: Software Partners (415-428-0160 ext. 1) sales@buckaroo.com / = www.buckaroo.com or our friends at Emerge jcook@emrg.com 15-Feb-1996 21:14:41-GMT,2767;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA18111 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:14:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA21185; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:12:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA21086 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:08:23 -0600 From: babcock@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 12:56:51 PDT Message-Id: <9601158244.AA824418420@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: htp@dove.mtx.net.au, pdf-l@emrg.com, gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re[2]: Exporting text from a .pdf file Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: babcock@mv.us.adobe.com Mac Exchange also. Just make sure you have the OLE plug-in and libraries installed. Mac OLE ships will all current versions of Exchange. If you need it, it's also available at: http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Plug-Ins/ Rob Babcock - Adobe ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Exporting text from a .pdf file Author: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com at cc_smtp5 Date: 2/15/95 2:36 PM In Windows Exchange, menu item "Edit:Copy File to Clipboard" copies the _entire_ PDF file into Rich Text Format. You may then paste it into Word or any other application that accepts RTF from the clipboard. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Exporting text from a .pdf file From: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/14/96 10:21 PM This has probably come up before, but I was wondering if there was any way of exporting the text form a .pdf file to any other plain- or rich-text format. I know that it is possible to copy and paste a page at a time, but copying doesn't seem to work across multiple pages. Any ideas? PS: I'm not looking for a way to break the PDF security feature - just a way to rip all of the text out of a file to which I already have full access. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Henry Penninkilampi (htp@dove.mtx.net.au) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Join "EvangeList", Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple list-server of good| |news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. To subscribe to| |EvangeList, send an e-mail to: listproc@solutions.apple.com, and include| |in the body of the message the text: Subscribe Macway | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 15-Feb-1996 21:15:49-GMT,1341;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA18133 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA21187; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:12:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA21115 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:10:30 -0600 From: "Mike Bassman" Message-Id: <9602151609.ZM14990@fia21-43.fiadev21.lehman.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:09:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Once again, Landscape in Reader. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mike Bassman" I know the thread has come up before, but would someone remind me why landscape does not come up correctly in Reader? My application ends up issuing commands to rotate to Exchange, which is fine, but an Adobe person was telling some people here that it can be done via distiller and viewed correctly with the (free) Reader, if only we use their postscript driver. More technical detail would be appreciated! thanks, mike 16-Feb-1996 5:33:31-GMT,2822;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA22525 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:33:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA23901; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:33:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA23835 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:29:22 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960216052511.007349b4@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:25:11 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Scheduled Server Downtime Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert The web server supporting PDF-L as well as the EMERGE web pages is scheduled to be moved to a new location on Friday. Service will be unavailable from approximately 3:00 PM Central Time to approximatley 9:00 PM Central Time. Please hold posts to the list during this time period or resend at a later time if you see a bounce. FYI....we currently have 908 subsribers to PDF-L and PDF-DIGEST The Acrobat Capture pages on our web site continue to grow and change. If you are interested in Capture, please visit our site for the latest news Another point of possible interest.....you might want to check out URL: http://www.netmind.com/URL-minder/URL-minder.html This is for the "URL-minder". This free service permits you to register a URL and URL-minder will send you an e-mail any time the site changes. This is a neat way to find out when new information is posted to your favorite web site. Perhaps you want to register the EMERGE homepage to test out how it works. If you have any comments or suggestions on the operation of the PDF-L list, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 16-Feb-1996 15:24:13-GMT,2192;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA26628 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26966; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:23:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA26874 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:11:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:12:02 -0500 (EST) From: Sharon Lensky To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: WWW Link/relative URL's? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Sharon Lensky Hello all, I am searching for a solution to my problem, if a solution exists. We are putting up collections of PDF files on the Web, and these collections will be moved around from system to system (or directory to directory) until we get them settled in a final resting place. The current collections that I'm working with involve the journals we publish. A group of files consists of a PDF table of contents file plus the PDF and HTML versions of all the articles that were published in that isue of the journal. Until now I have used the WWW Link plugin to make links between the PDF T of C and the individual article files, using the full URL's, beginning with http://, etc. Now my problem is that I will have to go into the PDF T of C and remake all the links each time I move the groups of files around, unless I can find a way to specify a base system and directory, much like the HTML tag "base url" will do for me. Is there a way to incorporate this using the WWW Link tool or some other plugin? Many thanks! Sharon Lensky -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manager, Journal Information Systems Internet: lensky@aps.org The American Physical Society telephone: (516) 576-2366 Woodbury, NY 11797-2999 FAX: (516) 349-7817 16-Feb-1996 15:31:26-GMT,2233;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA26709 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:31:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27076; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:30:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA27025 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:27:17 -0600 Message-Id: <9602161526.AA21934@dsunix2.dsrd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: b4z@dsunix2.dsrd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:27:31 -0500 To: pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net From: BorgsmilleMJ@oaunx1.ctd.ornl.gov (Michael Borgsmiller) Subject: Improvements Desired To Acrobat's OLE Capabilities Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: BorgsmilleMJ@oaunx1.ctd.ornl.gov (Michael Borgsmiller) Does Adobe have any plans of enhancing their OLE 2.0 support so that PDF documents could be constructed from OLE Linked in pages from other PDF documents? Specifically, we have an internal database of engineering drawings etc. that must be updated periodically, but the same document's bookmark links to other documents need not be. Currently, the update procedure requires deleting the files associated pages holding the engineering drawing images and then manually importing each newly updated, PDF formatted, engineering drawing. It would be so much simpler if the periodically updated engineering drawing could be kept separated from the web/file server accessed referencing file. Thus, when the OLE-linked file is overwritten by a newly distilled PDF housing the updated image, its referencing PDFs would likewise be updated next time they are accessed. With Amber's reported ability to allow page based access, etc., couldn't this capability be easily incorporated into the next release. Am I the only one who thinks this is a much needed feature? Cheers, Michael J. Borgsmiller Phone: 615 576-8272 Lockheed Martin Energy Systems Fax: 615 574-7624 Opinions Expressed Are My Own -- Not My Employer's 16-Feb-1996 15:45:19-GMT,35220;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA26869 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27294; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:43:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA27234 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:40:12 -0600 From: jgould@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 16 Feb 96 07:31:17 PST Message-Id: <9601168244.AA824485133@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-14-96 [V1 #163] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jgould@mv.us.adobe.com The following is an attached File item from cc:Mail. 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I will be back in the office Friday and will respond to EMail then. -Thanks, Jim PDF-DIGEST Thursday, 15 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 164 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 6 messages totalling 300 lines in this issue. Topics of the Day: 1. Re: HP DeskScan to PDF 2. Re: Exporting text from a .pdf file 3. Compose 2.0 product release 4. Re[2]: Exporting text from a .pdf file 5. Once again, Landscape in Reader. 6. Scheduled Server Downtime ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glenn Gernert Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:43:06 -0600 Subject: Re: HP DeskScan to PDF >>I had a couple hundred pages of handwritten engineering calculations that I >>wanted to include as part of a report being published in PDF format. I found >>a quick and easy method to do this using the basic Acrobat package and a HP >>ScanJet 3c. Using the HP Copy software, I set the printer driver to >>PDFWriter. Press the Copy button, enter a filename, and you get a PDF of >>that page. Once all of the pages have been scanned, open the first page in >>Exchange. From File Manager, highlight the remaining files and drag them >>into the Exchange window under a thumbnail view. This multiple page insert >>feature is explained in the help file. Quick, cheap and easy. >You don't specifically state but I'm assuming that you are using a windows >PC. I have a similar setup running windows 3.11 and have a ADF (automatic >document >feeder). I had not thought of using this software to generate a PDF file but >it is an excellent idea and I tried it this morning. I have several pages of >images that I needed to convert to PDF and this approach is much faster than >using ADOBE Capture. Yes, this is a neat idea for simple TIFF to PDF coversions. However, do keep in mind that what you end up with is simply a PDF image. Like a TIFF, this PDF cam not be searched. The ability to index and search the resulting PDF is probably one of the biggest virtues of Capture. But again, there are times when you simply need a PDF "image only" and this is certainly a quick, easy and cheap way to get there. This same basic technique should work for any application that allows viewing and printing of TIFF images.....not just HP-Copy >Regarding you color PDF. I was able to do it with some difficulty (only at >150 and 300 DPI) settings for PDF writer. Also the scanner would frequently >"hang" >and I would have to reset. However, I decided to download the latest >version of HPCOPY with updated drivers. (version 2.0) I got if from >compuserve. Its about >2.4 MB. When I installed the new version, the whole system worked very well, I >could use up to 600 dpi (the pdf's are very large 4+ mb per page and of course >no improvement on the display). I am using the PDF writer that came with >capture 1.01 which I believe is the same as came with Exchange 2.1. No...Capture actually comes with a slightly revised version of PDF-Writer (rev 2.01). PDF-Writer 2.0 comes with Exchange. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau ------------------------------ From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: 15 Feb 95 14:36:47 PST Subject: Re: Exporting text from a .pdf file In Windows Exchange, menu item "Edit:Copy File to Clipboard" copies the _entire_ PDF file into Rich Text Format. You may then paste it into Word or any other application that accepts RTF from the clipboard. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Exporting text from a .pdf file From: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/14/96 10:21 PM This has probably come up before, but I was wondering if there was any way of exporting the text form a .pdf file to any other plain- or rich-text format. I know that it is possible to copy and paste a page at a time, but copying doesn't seem to work across multiple pages. Any ideas? PS: I'm not looking for a way to break the PDF security feature - just a way to rip all of the text out of a file to which I already have full access. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Henry Penninkilampi (htp@dove.mtx.net.au) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Join "EvangeList", Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple list-server of good| |news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. To subscribe to| |EvangeList, send an e-mail to: listproc@solutions.apple.com, and include| |in the body of the message the text: Subscribe Macway | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Karl Schmidtmann Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:07:22 -0500 Subject: Compose 2.0 product release The following is a product release announcement.=20 Software Partners today is proud to announce a major upgrade to our = Acrobat publisher's toolkit Compose. Compose 2.0 is a plug-in product = for Acrobat Exchange that streamlines document production tasks. Compose = automates repetitive chores with these powerful, yet simple, end user = tools:=20 Bookmarks by Example automatically creates bookmarks from chapter and = section headings. Page Linker automatically links table of contents and index pages. Copy Link copies hypertext links throughout a document. Batch Meister sets file security options and file open defaults in = batch. Auditor checks for broken links and bookmarks and fixes them right on = the spot. Chain Linker automatically links together all instances of a word or = text string. Document Composer assembles and repaginates composite documents. Table of Contents Builder constructs a master table of contents linked = to associated PDF documents. InfoFill populates the General Information Fields in a group of PDF = documents. PDF Launcher launches documents by title or author instead of DOS file = name. For more information, please contact: Software Partners (415-428-0160 ext. 1) sales@buckaroo.com / = www.buckaroo.com or our friends at Emerge jcook@emrg.com ------------------------------ From: babcock@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 12:56:51 PDT Subject: Re[2]: Exporting text from a .pdf file Mac Exchange also. Just make sure you have the OLE plug-in and libraries installed. Mac OLE ships will all current versions of Exchange. If you need it, it's also available at: http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Plug-Ins/ Rob Babcock - Adobe ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Exporting text from a .pdf file Author: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com at cc_smtp5 Date: 2/15/95 2:36 PM In Windows Exchange, menu item "Edit:Copy File to Clipboard" copies the _entire_ PDF file into Rich Text Format. You may then paste it into Word or any other application that accepts RTF from the clipboard. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Exporting text from a .pdf file From: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/14/96 10:21 PM This has probably come up before, but I was wondering if there was any way of exporting the text form a .pdf file to any other plain- or rich-text format. I know that it is possible to copy and paste a page at a time, but copying doesn't seem to work across multiple pages. Any ideas? PS: I'm not looking for a way to break the PDF security feature - just a way to rip all of the text out of a file to which I already have full access. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Henry Penninkilampi (htp@dove.mtx.net.au) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Join "EvangeList", Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple list-server of good| |news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. To subscribe to| |EvangeList, send an e-mail to: listproc@solutions.apple.com, and include| |in the body of the message the text: Subscribe Macway | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: "Mike Bassman" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:09:36 -0500 Subject: Once again, Landscape in Reader. I know the thread has come up before, but would someone remind me why landscape does not come up correctly in Reader? My application ends up issuing commands to rotate to Exchange, which is fine, but an Adobe person was telling some people here that it can be done via distiller and viewed correctly with the (free) Reader, if only we use their postscript driver. More technical detail would be appreciated! thanks, mike ------------------------------ From: Glenn Gernert Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:25:11 -0600 Subject: Scheduled Server Downtime The web server supporting PDF-L as well as the EMERGE web pages is scheduled to be moved to a new location on Friday. Service will be unavailable from approximately 3:00 PM Central Time to approximatley 9:00 PM Central Time. Please hold posts to the list during this time period or resend at a later time if you see a bounce. FYI....we currently have 908 subsribers to PDF-L and PDF-DIGEST The Acrobat Capture pages on our web site continue to grow and change. If you are interested in Capture, please visit our site for the latest news Another point of possible interest.....you might want to check out URL: http://www.netmind.com/URL-minder/URL-minder.html This is for the "URL-minder". This free service permits you to register a URL and URL-minder will send you an e-mail any time the site changes. This is a neat way to find out when new information is posted to your favorite web site. Perhaps you want to register the EMERGE homepage to test out how it works. If you have any comments or suggestions on the operation of the PDF-L list, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau ------------------------------ End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #164 ************************* 16-Feb-1996 16:05:05-GMT,1383;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA27063 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA27589; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:03:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA27522 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:01:34 -0600 X-Sender: npitts@janus.sedl.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:02:09 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) Subject: Re: Moving Mac PDFs to a Unix server Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) I work in an all mac developing environment and we serve off of a UNIX box. All I've ever had to do is ftp PDF files to the UNIX server as raw data and they are viewable from any type of machine. Before you go through the longer process of changing the file type and such just fetch them up as raw and see if that works. Natanya ----- Natanya Pitts Information Resources Technician Southwest Educational Development Laboratory http://www.sedl.org http://www.ncddr.org Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. 16-Feb-1996 16:11:12-GMT,1795;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA27124 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA27708; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:07:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA27652 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:06:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199602161605.KAA24592@glacier.binc.net> To: Sharon Lensky , PDF-List Subject: Re: WWW Link/relative URL's? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 96 11:03:20 -0500 From: Brian Sobus X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brian Sobus -- [ From: Brian Sobus * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- See Below. -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Sharon Lensky wrote : > Now my problem is that I will have to go into the PDF T of C and remake all > the links each time I move the groups of files around, unless I can find a way > to specify a base system and directory, much like the HTML tag "base url" will > do for me. Is there a way to incorporate this using the WWW Link tool or some > other plugin? There is a "Base URL" that you can use. Under File|Document Info with WebLink installed under Exchange, you should see a "Base URL" menu item. It should function just like its HTML equivalent, although I have not tried it as of yet. Hope this helps. Regards, Brian -- ============================================== Brian Sobus Engineering Department VerTec Solutions, Inc. "Beyond Innovation" Internet: bsobus@vertec.com CServe: 74403,1665 ============================================== 16-Feb-1996 20:38:47-GMT,1531;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA00233 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:38:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28904; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:37:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA28854 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:33:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:33:24 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Crumpler To: PDF-L@emrg.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gary Crumpler This may be a redundant question but here it goes... Is there a document available either from Adobe or non-Adobe that lists the acceptance of PDF as an official format for electronic archival or transmittal purposes? I remember reading somewhere that PDF was accepted by Securities Exchange Commission, can't remember where. I am envisioning a document that states "this [PDF] is our preferred way" or "this [PDF] is one of our accepted methods." |>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>| Gary Crumpler (704) 264-1983 gc11040@xx.acs.appstate.edu http://www.acs.appstate.edu/~gc11040 |<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<| 17-Feb-1996 1:03:23-GMT,1400;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA03267 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:03:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00360; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:11:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA00295 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:03:14 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:53:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Gary Crumpler From: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) Subject: PDF-as-a-standard testimonials ... Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) > Is there a document available either from Adobe or non-Adobe that lists >the acceptance of PDF as an official format for electronic archival or >transmittal purposes? ... I remember reading somewhere that PDF was >accepted by Securities Exchange Commission, can't remember where. I am >envisioning a document that states "this [PDF] is our preferred way" or >"this [PDF] is one of our accepted methods." Folk: I'd like a copy of that document and others like it. (Helpful to keep on file.) John 17-Feb-1996 2:05:36-GMT,2111;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA03628 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00686; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:14:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA00652 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:13:23 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 96 20:03 CST X-Sender: perinatl@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: "D.G. Huffman" Subject: Re: PDF-as-a-standard testimonials ... Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "D.G. Huffman" At 07:53 PM 2/16/96 -0500, you wrote: >> Is there a document available either from Adobe or non-Adobe that lists >>the acceptance of PDF as an official format for electronic archival or >>transmittal purposes? ... I remember reading somewhere that PDF was >>accepted by Securities Exchange Commission, can't remember where. I am >>envisioning a document that states "this [PDF] is our preferred way" or >>"this [PDF] is one of our accepted methods." > >Folk: > >I'd like a copy of that document and others like it. (Helpful to keep on file.) > >John > > > If you visit the U.S. Government's Centers for Disease Control (CDC) at http://www.cdc.gov or at http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/mmwr.html, you will see that they use Acrobat for distrbuting the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR). Dean Huffman perinatl@slip.net =============================================================== Dean G. Huffman Phone: 217 787-3745 FAX 217 787-0680 perinatl@slip.net 217 782-9666 217 524-2432 I have accidentally determined my momentum so precisely that, according to Heisenberg It could be anywhere in the universe. H ================================================================ 17-Feb-1996 2:14:41-GMT,2504;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA03691 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:14:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00849; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:23:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA00817 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:23:18 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 11:21:49 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199602170221.LAA10908@gol1.gol.com> X-Sender: roger@popmail.gol.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: "Roger D. Williams" Subject: Improving resolution for line graphics Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Roger D. Williams" We have to scan line graphics for insertion as TIFs into documents created with PageMaker 5.0a (Windows) which works very well. Now we are going on (for the very first time) to create PDF versions of the same documents. Our problem is that these graphics are badly pixelated as PDF pages. It's as if the low-definition image that PM uses to show where the graphic is on the page and (roughly) what it looks like is being used by Distiller to create the image. What Distiller does with photographs (at 72dpi--or is that lines per inch?) for screen definition is fine. They are quite recognisable. But what it does with line graphics is quite unacceptable. What are we doing wrong? Can we increase the definition just for these graphics? Should we use integral multiples of 72? Or rescan with different parameters? And does the lpi setting in the "printer" options for the Distiller driver we use take precedence? At the moment we are using 256-level monochrome images, cleaning them up, and then converting them to two-bit images (reducing them from about 2MB to 35k in the process). Neither the original large TIFs nor the smaller ones convert legibly. I think this must be a pretty simple, basic kind of problem, but would be grateful if only for a page reference to the manual (maybe accompanied by an explanation of what it actually MEANS ) or any tips you experts can give. Thanks, Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: www.gol.com/adex Niftyserve: CXQ10206 17-Feb-1996 17:57:17-GMT,1471;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA08537 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 10:57:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04155; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 11:54:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA04115 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 11:52:34 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 12:51:16 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Improving resolution for line graphics Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1B4E43C6F@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Line art looks better on the computer screen, if it is scanned as a sharp photograph (at 256 levels of gray) vs. black and white. Just our experience with a current project involving the scanning of b/w ads from a directory for the CD product. ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 18-Feb-1996 8:19:49-GMT,2547;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA13871 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:19:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA07926; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:18:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA07848 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:07:02 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:37:14 +1030 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) Subject: Re[2]: Exporting text from a .pdf file Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) Thanks to all that responded to my query (Dave, Rob and Gary), and I apologise for not mentioning that I was using a MacOS platform. The simple answer is that once you have a certain OLE extension and plugin in place, an extra command gets added to Acrobat Exchange's EDIT menu called "Copy File to Clipboard". The 1.2Mb woth of software is available from http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Plug-Ins/ if it doesn't happen to have accompanied the version that you currently use. An attempt at copying and pasting a 119 page PDF document (Created in PM6, Distilled with 2.1, no enhancements and with minimal graphics) directly from Exchange 2.1 back to PageMaker 6.0 resulted in numerous errors and failure due to unrecognised tokens (amongst others). I didn't expect this because I figured the PageMaker-Acrobat-PageMaker loop would have been pretty tight, but since Microsoft code is involved, I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised. The workaround was to Copy from Exchange, Paste to Word, Save, then Place the file into PageMaker. Thanks again for the rapid response to my query. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Henry Penninkilampi (htp@dove.mtx.net.au) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Join "EvangeList", Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple list-server of good| |news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. To subscribe to| |EvangeList, send an e-mail to: listproc@solutions.apple.com, and include| |in the body of the message the text: Subscribe Macway | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 19-Feb-1996 8:25:50-GMT,4153;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA20276 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA12652; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:24:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA12515 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:16:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 1:20:53 MST Message-Id: From: MAILER-DAEMON@vines.colostate.edu To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Undeliverable Message X-Incognito-Sn: 204 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=1.75 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: MAILER-DAEMON@vines.ColoState.EDU To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Cc: Subject: PDF-DIGEST for February-18-96 [V1 #167] Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM error codes. VNM3043: Beth Wright@SP@Research ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows ------------------- VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL The message cannot be delivered because the recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of messages, as set by the system administrator. The recipient must delete some messages before any other messages can be delivered. The maximum message limit for a user's mailbox is 10,000. The default message limit is 1000 messages. Administrators can set message limits using the Mailbox Settings function available in the Manage User menu (MUSER). When a user's mailbox reaches the limit, the user must delete some of the messages before the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. ---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- PDF-DIGEST Sunday, 18 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 167 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 1 messages totalling 46 lines in this issue. Topics of the Day: 1. Re[2]: Exporting text from a .pdf file ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:37:14 +1030 Subject: Re[2]: Exporting text from a .pdf file Thanks to all that responded to my query (Dave, Rob and Gary), and I apologise for not mentioning that I was using a MacOS platform. The simple answer is that once you have a certain OLE extension and plugin in place, an extra command gets added to Acrobat Exchange's EDIT menu called "Copy File to Clipboard". The 1.2Mb woth of software is available from http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Plug-Ins/ if it doesn't happen to have accompanied the version that you currently use. An attempt at copying and pasting a 119 page PDF document (Created in PM6, Distilled with 2.1, no enhancements and with minimal graphics) directly from Exchange 2.1 back to PageMaker 6.0 resulted in numerous errors and failure due to unrecognised tokens (amongst others). I didn't expect this because I figured the PageMaker-Acrobat-PageMaker loop would have been pretty tight, but since Microsoft code is involved, I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised. The workaround was to Copy from Exchange, Paste to Word, Save, then Place the file into PageMaker. Thanks again for the rapid response to my query. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Henry Penninkilampi (htp@dove.mtx.net.au) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Join "EvangeList", Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple list-server of good| |news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. 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From: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) at ~GATEWAY Date: 2/16/96 7:53 PM Received: from mark.gilbarco.com by grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 125572e0; Fri, 16 Feb 96 20:18:54 -0800 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by mark.gilbarco.com with SMTP id AA12363 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:19:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/ 8.6 .9) with SMTP id UAA00321; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:07:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA 00295 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:03:14 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:53:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Gary Crumpler From: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) Subject: PDF-as-a-standard testimonials ... Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) --IMA.Boundary.476647428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Adobe has several in their "Customer Spotlight" and "Adobe Customer Trends" pieces, available from www.adobe.com. Some of the featured companies include: Intel, NY Times, the CDC, Axcess Magazine, Tektronic, and USC. +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Ideas withheld or repressed are automatically imbued - Jeff Heiskell with a false sense of mystery and intrigue." The JudyBats >______________________________________________________________________ >Subject: PDF-as-a-standard testimonials ... >From: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) at ~GATEWAY >Date: 2/16/96 7:53 PM >> >> Is there a document available either from Adobe or non-Adobe that lists >>the acceptance of PDF as an official format for electronic archival or >>transmittal purposes? ... I remember reading somewhere that PDF was >>accepted by Securities Exchange Commission, can't remember where. I am >>envisioning a document that states "this [PDF] is our preferred way" or >>"this [PDF] is one of our accepted methods." > >Folk: > >I'd like a copy of that document and others like it. (Helpful to keep on file.) > >John --IMA.Boundary.476647428-- 19-Feb-1996 16:06:08-GMT,1943;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA22434 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14382; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:05:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA14341 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:02:56 -0600 Message-ID: <31289E45.7745@ccnet.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 07:59:01 -0800 From: Kyle Clarke X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[3]: Exporting text from a .pdf file References: <199602190550.XAA11340@grandcanyon.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kyle Clarke htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi)wrote: > The simple answer is that once you have a certain OLE extension and plugin > in place, an extra command gets added to Acrobat Exchange's EDIT menu > called "Copy File to Clipboard". The 1.2Mb woth of software is available > from http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Plug-Ins/ if it doesn't happen to have > accompanied the version that you currently use. What plug-in was it? I looked at all the plug-ins on that page, and none sounded like what you are describing. I downloaded the OLE server one, which is only about 20K (not 1.2 megs), that sure wasn't it. None of the others sounded like likely candidates. This is functionality that would be real useful to me and some of my users (exporting text from a pdf file). TIA, Kyle \|//////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\|/ - ====== kclarke@ccnet.com ===== http://www.ccnet.com/~kclarke/ - /|\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////////////////////////////|\ 19-Feb-1996 18:06:10-GMT,2026;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA23254 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:06:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA14844; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:03:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14792 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:59:56 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960219175925.009560ac@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:59:25 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Capture Meets the Press Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert For PDF enthusiasts contemplating the purchase of Capture, you may want to check out the new "CAPTURE MEETS THE PRESS" page on the Emerge web site This page contains links to Caputre news and review articles available on the web. Look for this page to expand as we search out new sites. glg +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 20-Feb-1996 13:48:53-GMT,1627;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA02845 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 06:48:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA20274; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:47:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA20184 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:38:24 -0600 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: Sharon Lensky To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: WWW Link/relative URL's? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Sharon Lensky Hi everyone, Thanks to Drew, Brian, and Mike for responding to my question. Brian was indeed correct about the File | Document Info menu in Exchange containing a Base URL item. I tried it out over the weekend, and it does appear to work. I had success with it by entering the URL of the directory I wanted to use, including a trailing forward slash. It then appends individual filenames to that base URL. Thanks again, and I hope this helps someone else. Sharon Lensky --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manager, Journal Information Systems Internet: lensky@aps.org The American Physical Society telephone: (516) 576-2366 Woodbury, NY 11797-2999 FAX: (516) 349-7817 20-Feb-1996 14:52:10-GMT,2631;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA03281 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:52:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA20590; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:51:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA20557 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:49:59 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960220144926.0090e55c@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:49:26 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Re[3]: Exporting text from a .pdf file Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >> The simple answer is that once you have a certain OLE extension and plugin >> in place, an extra command gets added to Acrobat Exchange's EDIT menu >> called "Copy File to Clipboard". The 1.2Mb woth of software is available >> from http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Plug-Ins/ if it doesn't happen to have >> accompanied the version that you currently use. > >What plug-in was it? I looked at all the plug-ins on that page, and none >sounded like what you are describing. I downloaded the OLE server one, which is >only about 20K (not 1.2 megs), that sure wasn't it. None of the others sounded >like likely candidates. This is functionality that would be real useful to me >and some of my users (exporting text from a pdf file). Acrobat Exchange 2.0 and 2.1 are OLE enabled out of the box. An OLE plug-in is only required for the Reader. The "Copy File to Clipboard" menu item should always appear in Exchange. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 20-Feb-1996 20:07:19-GMT,1772;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA07221 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:07:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA21697; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:04:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA21642 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:00:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:59:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Glenn Gernert From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: Re[3]: Exporting text from a .pdf file Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 2:49 PM 2/20/96, Glenn Gernert wrote: >Acrobat Exchange 2.0 and 2.1 are OLE enabled out of the box. An OLE plug-in >is only required for the Reader. The "Copy File to Clipboard" menu item >should always appear in Exchange. Hey Glenn, Are you speaking of the Windows version only, as the Mac version of even Exchange 2.1 seems to need the plug-in for the "Copy File to Clipboard" menu item to even appear. -Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Creative Director, Electronic and Print Media http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- User Services / UCS and the USCweb Development Team at USC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Feb-1996 20:12:39-GMT,5360;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA07288 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:12:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA21781; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:08:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA21742 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:07:36 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 14:31:39 PST Message-Id: <9601208248.AA824846713@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: nfj@gjint.co.uk (Ginn Jeffery International plc), pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Simon: I think someone else answered a few of your questions but I'll have a try too! - Is it possible to copy links in Exchange from one page to another rather than create them afresh every time? Yes, Software Partners has a plug-in that repeats links. You can find out more about it on www.emrg.com. - What is the sensible maximum size for an Acrobat file: in terms of number of pages; in terms of memory size? See the PDF file format Reference book, page 217, Implementation Limits. To quote: APPENDIX D Implementation Limits In general, PDF does not restrict the size or quantity of things described in the file format, such as numbers, arrays, images, and so on. However, a PDF viewer application running on a particular processor and in a particular operating environment does have such limits. If a viewer application attempts to perform an action that exceeds one of the limits, it will display an error. PostScript interpreters also have implementation limits, listed in Appendix B of the PostScript Language Reference Manual, Second Edition. It is possible to construct a PDF file that does not violate viewer application limits but will not print on a PostScript printer. Keep in mind that these limits vary according to the PostScript language level, interpreter version, and the amount of memory available to the interpreter. All limits are sufficiently large that most PDF files should never approach them. However, using the techniques described in Chapters 8 through 12 of this book will further reduce the chance of reaching these limits. This appendix describes typical limits for Acrobat Exchange and Acrobat Reader. These limits fall into two main classes: y Architectural limits. The hardware on which a viewer application executes imposes certain constraints. For example, an integer is usually represented in 32 bits, limiting the range of allowed integers. In addition, the design of the software imposes other constraints, such as a limit of 65535 elements in an array or string. y Memory limits. The amount of memory available to a viewer application limits the number of memory-consuming objects that can be held simultaneously. PDF itself has one architectural limit. Because ten digits are allocated to byte offsets, the size of a file is limited to 10 10 bytes (approximately 10GB.) Table D.1 describes the architectural limits for most PDF viewer applications running on 32-bit machines. These limits are likely to remain constant across a wide variety of implementations. However, memory limits will often be exceeded before architectural limits, such as the limit on the number of PDF objects, are reached. Memory limits cannot be characterized so precisely, because the amount of available memory and the way in which it is allocated vary from one implementation to another. Memory is automatically reallocated from one use to another when necessary. When more memory is needed for a particular purpose, it can be taken away from memory allocated to another purpose if that memory is currently unused or its use is non-essential (a cache, for example.) Also, data is often saved to a temporary file when memory is limited. Because of this behavior, it is not possible to state limits for such items as the number of pages, number of text annotations or hypertext links on a page, number of graphics objects on a page, or number of fonts on a page or in a document. There's a table that descibes some of these in the book as well. The conclusion is that it depends on a number of factors: complexity of pages, number of links, memory available, etcetera. I think a 10,000 page document is not unreasonable, for example, but 10,000 links on a page might be! This document, by the way, is included on the current Acrobat CD Sampler disk that comes with Acrobat products. Look in PDFDOCS:DEVELOP:TECHDOCS. - Am I correct in assuming that links are saved 'on' the page one is linking from and contain simple information in the form of 'open document x, go to page y'? Links are saved in the document but are referred to by the page as "children" in the PDF file's hierachical tree. Try opening a (small) PDF file in a text editor to see the syntax of the link action. Yes, it's like you describe. Greater detail: again, see the PDF Reference Manual mentioned above. -Our only real complaint to date would probably be the lack of dissolve effects between slides but this is a small price to pay for the other benefits. Working on it! Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY 21-Feb-1996 4:16:04-GMT,2288;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA12699 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:15:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA23875; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:15:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA23837 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:12:59 -0600 From: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil Message-Id: <9602210411.AA22845@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:11:57 -0800 Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions. To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com, pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <9601208248.AA824846713@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil On Tue, 20 Feb 96, gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: > >See the PDF file format Reference book [...] > >This document, by the way, is included on the current Acrobat CD Sampler >disk that comes with Acrobat products. Look in PDFDOCS:DEVELOP:TECHDOCS. Gary, THANKS for providing this pointer! Though it was right there on the disk, I never could find it when I was looking for it. It was quite frustrating to read the pdfmark Reference Manual and see such things as "See Section 6.8.5 in the Portable Document Format Reference Manual for a description of these color spaces" and to be left with the idea that it wasn't readily available (I knew it could be ordered). FYI, there is no mention in the welcome.pdf file of the PDF Reference Manual being available on the disc. The Adobe Acrobat Search command also won't bring it up unless you add the Adobe Acrobat 2.1 CD Sampler Index. You might want to point this out to whoever creates the Acrobat CD Sampler so that they provide a pointer to it in future releases. This CD is becoming a better deal each time I look at it. The Adobe Postscript drivers are on there and Adobe sells that as well. The PDF Reference Manual probably costs more than the price of the disc as well. Now to go off and see what other jewels I've been missing. -- Patrick R. Kane 21-Feb-1996 4:46:25-GMT,1207;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA12930 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:46:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA24112; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:46:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA24071 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:45:18 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:40:01 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199602210440.PAA03209@tornado.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: mdf@pop.netspace.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Subject: Multiplatform CD's X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) We have been asked to produce PDF documents for a client and then put these with Acrobat Reader on a CD which is Mac and Windows compatible. Have looked at purchasing an HP CD-R to master the CD but nobody can tell us how to make it multi platform. Can anyone help explain this, please. Regards Martin Allen 21-Feb-1996 5:23:08-GMT,3008;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA13195 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA24415; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:22:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA24380 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:21:28 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960221052036.00e10c10@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:20:36 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Multiplatform CD's Cc: mdf@mdf.com.au Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert At 03:40 PM 2/21/96 +1100, you wrote: >We have been asked to produce PDF documents for a client and then put these >with Acrobat Reader on a CD which is Mac and Windows compatible. > >Have looked at purchasing an HP CD-R to master the CD but nobody can tell us >how to make it multi platform. Can anyone help explain this, please. You will need to get appropriate CD pre-mastering software. We use a package called TOPIX at EMERGE....though there are several good and notable packages available. You'll need to do this work on a Mac. What you want to create is called a bybrid CD. Once you have the CD pre-mastering software you should have all the instructions you need to carry off this project Creating a hybrid CD is not difficult but can be trickey to get it right and to do it with some degree of sophistication. File naming is probably the most critical part. Stick with the DOS 8.3 file naming convention and keep everything lower case.....anything else will not be visible to a Windows box. Giving files a non-DOS compliant name, however, is a good way to "hide" Mac only files to the Windows users. Experiment. You'll end up throwing a few CDs away before you get it right. Once you figure it out you should be able to sail thorugh the process pretty fast. glg +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 21-Feb-1996 7:22:12-GMT,2085;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA14656 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA25728; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:21:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA25639 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:12:10 -0600 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:07:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199602210707.XAA10876@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Multiplatform CD's To: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen), pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199602210440.PAA03209@tornado.netspace.net.au> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Martin, At this point, you should plan to use a Mac to create a Mac-compatible CD -- the Mac requires its own HFS files to be present, or it won't be able to execute anything (such as the Installer) from the CD. On the Mac, you create what's known as a "hybrid" CD, that contains both the HFS part for the Mac and the "shared" part (ISO-9660) for the Mac plus everyone else. Adobe is squarely behind the 8-ball on this problem as we speak, because they have falsely advertised that you can create a multiplatform CD such as you describe from a Windows environment for their "Acrobat Search for CD-ROM" product; the latest status from them on this is that they "haven't figured out how to do it". Good luck, Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) wrote: >We have been asked to produce PDF documents for a client and then put these >with Acrobat Reader on a CD which is Mac and Windows compatible. > >Have looked at purchasing an HP CD-R to master the CD but nobody can tell us >how to make it multi platform. Can anyone help explain this, please. > >Regards >Martin Allen > > 21-Feb-1996 14:39:50-GMT,2417;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA16673 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:39:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27437; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:38:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA27324 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:31:18 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960221143042.0075c6e0@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:30:42 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Multiplatform CD's correction Cc: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert One correction to my statement below. This should read "keep everything in UPPER case. Be aware that if you are doing alot of your PDF file creating on a Mac you may end up with lots of lower case file names which will need to be converted to upper case. >Creating a hybrid CD is not difficult but can be trickey to get it right and >to do it with some degree of sophistication. File naming is probably the >most critical part. Stick with the DOS 8.3 file naming convention and keep >everything lower case.....anything else will not be visible to a Windows >box. Giving files a non-DOS compliant name, however, is a good way to >"hide" Mac only files to the Windows users. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 21-Feb-1996 14:45:46-GMT,2095;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA16736 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:45:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27566; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:45:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA27531 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:44:53 -0600 Message-ID: <312B5A73.3E2@cornell.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:46:27 -0800 From: "Michael A. Friedman" Reply-To: maf3@cornell.edu Organization: Albert R. Mann Library X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com CC: Howard Raskin , Bill Garrison , Jeff Diver Subject: Reviewer References: <199602210550.XAA24662@grandcanyon.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Michael A. Friedman" Hello to all, I am currently attempting to get an Electronic Reserves system up and running here at Mann Library. We have opted to use none other than Adobe Capture and the related Adobe products. Currently I am scanning some old government pamphlets to use as examples for the Professors to see what the system is capable of and to allay any fears they might have about the up and coming system. My question is: I am using the Reviewer to 'correct' and 'clean up' the sample items, this will not be done in the production phase but we want them to see the 'best' and then talk to the Profs about proper photocopying techniques. I am correcting a document that consistenly misrecognizes the same words, can I make the system do a global correction??? any help would be greatly appreciated. michael -- Michael A. Friedman Full Text Specialist Albert R. Mann Library Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 607-255-5680 maf3@cornell.edu 21-Feb-1996 15:04:08-GMT,2472;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA16866 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27680; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:48:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA27649 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:48:00 -0600 X-Sender: robdill@mail.lm.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:48:29 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: robdill@interact.lm.com (Rob Dillon) Subject: Re: Multiplatform CD's Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: robdill@interact.lm.com (Rob Dillon) >We have been asked to produce PDF documents for a client and then put these >with Acrobat Reader on a CD which is Mac and Windows compatible. > >Have looked at purchasing an HP CD-R to master the CD but nobody can tell us >how to make it multi platform. Can anyone help explain this, please. > Martin, Making a hybrid CD usually means making a CD that can be read by both Macs and Windows computers. SInce PDFs are inherently cross platform theres no real need to make a Mac and a Windows version. Windows can only read ISO 9660 format CDs. Macs can read HFS and ISO 9660 CD formats. So in the simplest case you could simply make an ISO 9660 format CD and distribute it. The contents will show up on either platform. If you want to include a copy of the Acrobat Reader then you'd need to make a Hybrid CD so that the Software install apps can be read on each platform. In that case you might want to put a copy of the PDFs in each parttition so that they would be visible as icons on the Mac side. You can also make an alias of the directory to put on the Mac partition. You need a Mac to master a hybrid format CD. Most if not all CD recorders are capable of making a Hybrid CD. The mastering software that you use will determine the capabilities of the recorder. There are lots of different mastering apps out there. I use QuickTOPiX. Toast is also excellent. Read the material very closely and ask lots and lots of question before you buy. Rob ______________ Rob Dillon Digital Design Group Limited URL:http://www.interact.lm.com Producers of interactive media and other fine visual products (SM) 21-Feb-1996 15:07:58-GMT,1181;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA16929 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:07:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27981; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:06:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA27937 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:05:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 09:05:29 CST From: Bo Parker Subject: Black -> gray - why? To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: LeeMail 2.0.4 Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bo Parker Greetings I have taken a couple of PostScript print-to-disk files from MacDraw Pro and from Microsoft Excel 4.0 through Distiller and opened the resulting PDF's in Adobe Illustrator 5.5. I have found that the objects that are black in MacDraw Pro and Excel 4.0 come out dark gray in Illustrator. Any ideas why this is happening? Thanks in advance -Bo Parker bo_parker@fbpmac.msfc.nasa.gov fbparker@hiwaay.net 21-Feb-1996 15:45:11-GMT,2241;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA17478 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28311; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:43:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28275 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:42:33 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960221154151.008759cc@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:41:51 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Reviewer Cc: maf3@cornell.edu Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >My question is: I am using the Reviewer to 'correct' and 'clean up' >the sample items, this will not be done in the production phase but we >want them to see the 'best' and then talk to the Profs about proper >photocopying techniques. I am correcting a document that consistenly >misrecognizes the same words, can I make the system do a global >correction??? No...you can't do a global correction but you can use the FIND/REPLACE option on the TOOLS pull-down menu (or Cntrl F) to at least halfway automate this process. glg +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 21-Feb-1996 17:22:32-GMT,2899;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA01346 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:22:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28503; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:58:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28468 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:58:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:53:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199602211553.HAA18139@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Multiplatform CD's correction To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960221143042.0075c6e0@emrg.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com $.02 more: Be sure to adhere to ISO-9660. It's a bit fussier than DOS 8.3 For example, a hyphen ( - ) is *not* allowed in a file name. The best thing is to enable the auditing feature of your CD-writer software, so that it checks for ISO-9660 compliance automatically. We use GEAR from Elektroson, and it has this feature, both on the Mac and Windows versions. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Glenn Gernert wrote: >One correction to my statement below. This should read "keep everything in >UPPER case. > >Be aware that if you are doing alot of your PDF file creating on a Mac you >may end up with lots of lower case file names which will need to be >converted to upper case. > >>Creating a hybrid CD is not difficult but can be trickey to get it right and >>to do it with some degree of sophistication. File naming is probably the >>most critical part. Stick with the DOS 8.3 file naming convention and keep >>everything lower case.....anything else will not be visible to a Windows >>box. Giving files a non-DOS compliant name, however, is a good way to >>"hide" Mac only files to the Windows users. >+----------------------------------------------------------+ >| Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | >| EMERGE | >| Knowledge In Motion | >|----------------------------------------------------------| >| 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | >| Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | >| Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | >| 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | >+----------------------------------------------------------+ > Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions > Acrobat Capture Service Bureau > > > > 21-Feb-1996 18:03:00-GMT,2186;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA04797 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:02:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA29053; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:57:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA29010 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:54:49 -0600 Message-Id: <01BB005B.7D803A00@fontben.statcan.ca> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= To: "'Acrobat List @ Blue World'" , "'PDF-L @ EMERGE'" Subject: Acrobat Capture problem Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:51:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= To all Capture fan, The Setup: - I'm using Acrobat Capture 1.01 with Win95. - I'm processing TIFF files to PDF images only. The problem: - Whenever Capture is done processing the content of a directory, it tries to launch a program (probably the Reviewer...) but fails - Win95 (or Capture) display this error message: Quick View (in the title bar) "There are no viewers registered for this type of file. Would you like to try the default viewers?" - If I click "NO" everything is OK but if I click Yes, a second error message appears: Quick View (in the title bar) "The file can not be opened for Quick View. It may be open or locked by another application or you may not have access to it." The real thing: - Since I'm processing TIFF files to PDF images only, I'm not interested in launching the Reviewer... - I kind of remember seeing something about an option for launching or not the Reviewer but I looked everywhere and can't find anything... - I have close to 10,000 images to process with the "Collate Pages by Common Prefix". It will generate many, many, many PDF and I will have many, many, many error messages to click. There must be some way to fix this... Benoit 21-Feb-1996 18:26:57-GMT,2166;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA05088 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:26:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA29320; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:25:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA29286 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:24:46 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 13:13:30 PST Message-Id: <9601218249.AA824927034@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: maf3@cornell.edu, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Reviewer Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Do remember to add words that are consistently misrecognized to Capture's Custom Distionary. I've seem medical textbooks Captured, for example, where every simgle occurance of the word "pancreatic" was highlighted, even though the scan was perfectly clear. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Reviewer From: maf3@cornell.edu at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/21/96 6:47 AM Hello to all, I am currently attempting to get an Electronic Reserves system up and running here at Mann Library. We have opted to use none other than Adobe Capture and the related Adobe products. Currently I am scanning some old government pamphlets to use as examples for the Professors to see what the system is capable of and to allay any fears they might have about the up and coming system. My question is: I am using the Reviewer to 'correct' and 'clean up' the sample items, this will not be done in the production phase but we want them to see the 'best' and then talk to the Profs about proper photocopying techniques. I am correcting a document that consistenly misrecognizes the same words, can I make the system do a global correction??? any help would be greatly appreciated. michael -- Michael A. Friedman Full Text Specialist Albert R. Mann Library Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 607-255-5680 maf3@cornell.edu 21-Feb-1996 18:42:39-GMT,1702;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA05316 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:42:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA29567; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:42:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA29529 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:41:07 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:40:52 -0500 From: Michael Robertson Subject: [Fwd: installing acrobat reader] on Mac To: PDF Discussion Group Cc: Marion French , Dave Bradstreet Reply-to: marwml@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Message-id: <312B6734.2373@rit.edu> Organization: Wallace Library, Rochester Institute of Technology MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Michael Robertson PDF folks: I received the message below from a colleague who was trying to install Acrobat Reader 2.1 on a Mac. Appreciate any advice on how to respond. Michael Robertson Wallace Library, RIT marwml@rit.edu, 716-475-2050 > > I was trying to install Acrobat 2.1 for Linda Coppola. > She had an old version of ATM Font Database. The acrobat installer > file doc. claimed that it would update old versions to the 3.83 > version, but it did not. > > Any advice, Acrobat will apparently give errors without it. > Is there an updater? > > Thanks, > Marion 21-Feb-1996 19:08:27-GMT,2304;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA05709 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:07:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA29842; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:06:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA29794 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:03:38 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 13:55:24 PDT Message-Id: <9601218249.AA824929332@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Bo Parker , PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Black -> gray - why? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Bo: Sounds like MacDraw and Excel and the Printer Driver are emitting gray instead of black fills. This could be intentional on the part of the software designer (thanks!) or it could be a result of interaction with the printer driver. Try this test: download the PostScript they created to a PostScript printer and see if the fils have halfton dots; that would confirm this thesis. Of course, the dots may be to small to see if the tint is very dark, like 95%. What tint of gray does Illustrator say? You could try emitting PostScript using another PPD. Did you use the Distiller PPD? Which printer driver version did you use? If you plan to be doing this a lot you could prepend a transfer curve to the PostScript file that would map certain tones darker. I could tell you how to do it if this is a producion issue. But chances are you just want it to work! Gary Cosimini Adobe Syustems NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Black -> gray - why? From: Bo Parker at cc_smtp5 Date: 2/21/96 9:05 AM Greetings I have taken a couple of PostScript print-to-disk files from MacDraw Pro and from Microsoft Excel 4.0 through Distiller and opened the resulting PDF's in Adobe Illustrator 5.5. I have found that the objects that are black in MacDraw Pro and Excel 4.0 come out dark gray in Illustrator. Any ideas why this is happening? Thanks in advance -Bo Parker bo_parker@fbpmac.msfc.nasa.gov fbparker@hiwaay.net 21-Feb-1996 19:35:51-GMT,4714;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA06061 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:35:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA30044; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:21:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA30010 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:21:07 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:50:44 +1030 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-19-96 [V1 #168] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) Kyle Clarke queried: >htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi)wrote: >> The simple answer is that once you have a certain OLE extension and plugin >> in place, an extra command gets added to Acrobat Exchange's EDIT menu >> called "Copy File to Clipboard". The 1.2Mb woth of software is available >> from http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Plug-Ins/ if it doesn't happen to have >> accompanied the version that you currently use. > >What plug-in was it? I looked at all the plug-ins on that page, and none >sounded like what you are describing. I downloaded the OLE server one, >which is >only about 20K (not 1.2 megs), that sure wasn't it. None of the others sounded >like likely candidates. This is functionality that would be real useful to me >and some of my users (exporting text from a pdf file). Kyle, As I mentioned in the first line of my post, I am working with the MacOS. The "OLE Server Plug-In" is the only OLE-related plug-in in the list, it *is* the one that does the job, and for the Macintosh, it is 1.7Mb while it resides on the server in its .sea.hqx format (the 1.2Mb worth of software that I refer to is the *actual* size of the software, once de-binhexed and expanded). The 20k version that you refer to is the WinDOS version. Installing the MacOS plugin was a breeze (had to click a whole five times), and it worked first-go. I can't comment on the WinDOS version - I don't know what is included, or what you need to do to make it work. I have copied the relevant section from the Plug-Ins page below to help you identify what you should be looking for - I'll be willing to field any questions from Mac users who may be experiencing difficulties. Take it easy. -------------------- OLE Server Plug-In These OLE Plug-Ins enable Acrobat Exchange and Reader to act as an OLE server to view PDF documents embedded in other OLE-enabled container applications. PDF documents can be incorporated into other documents created by any OLE 1.0 or OLE 2.0 container application. Container applications allow data from other applications to be incorporated within their documents. For example, a PDF file can be embedded into a Lotus Notes document or a Microsoft Access form. When Acrobat is used with OLE, visually rich documents can be distributed without requiring the recipient to have the applications, fonts, or platform used to create the document. For example, a brochure created in PageMaker on a Macintosh and converted to PDF can be embedded within a Lotus Notes database and viewed by someone on a PC running Microsoft Windows. Requirements for Macintosh: Acrobat Exchange 2.0 or later or Acrobat Reader 2.1 or later. The Macintosh version includes all of the required OLE 2.0 libraries and OLE-enables Acrobat Exchange and Reader. Requirements for Windows: Acrobat Reader 2.1 or later and OLE 2.0 or later. Note that Acrobat Exchange 2.0 and later is already OLE-enabled and this Plug-In is not required. Macintosh Version: (.hqx file 1747434 bytes) Download OLE Plug-In and librarires via http or Download OLE Plug-In and librarires via ftp Windows Version: (.ZIP file is 19029 bytes) Download OLE Plug-In via http or Download OLE Plug-In via ftp -------------------- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Henry Penninkilampi (htp@dove.mtx.net.au) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Join "EvangeList", Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple list-server of good| |news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. To subscribe to| |EvangeList, send an e-mail to: listproc@solutions.apple.com, and include| |in the body of the message the text: Subscribe Macway | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 21-Feb-1996 20:27:08-GMT,2626;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA06676 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:26:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA30407; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:14:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30368 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:12:55 -0600 From: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 13:36:38 CDT Message-Id: <9601218249.AA824938384@odp.tamu.edu> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, mdf@mdf.com.au Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-20-96 [V1 #169] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Martin, We are using Quicktopix for mastering cross-platform CDs. I can send you the address tomorrow (I'm on the wrong machine today). Let me know if you want it. The software runs on Mac or PC, but you will need to produce it on a Mac in order to retain the Mac links. (This is true if you're loading Mac files such as art files, but is it true if you're loading PDF files? I'm not sure. A grayer, wiser mind than mine might speak.) I write my files to ISO 9960 standards, which are the file equivalent to an ASCII format. It makes all the files capable of being reproduced to a hybrid format (Mac, PC, and UNIX compatible). All file names need to be written to ISO 9660 standards, which mean you can't use characters like hyphens. If you can't find this list, let me know, and I'll send you a copy of that, too. The importance of using a Mac for the CD production is to retain Mac links. The importance of using ISO 9660 file names, is that when you write the CD, you won't lose any of your file links. If you link to a file that is named document-new.pdf, the links will be lost because ISO 9660 will translate that to document.new (or it might keep the document.pdf). Anyway, your link will disappear, because Acrobat will be looking for that Mac name. It's not hard to write the master, and it's cheaper than paying a firm to do it...if you're going to do it on a regular basis. Otherwise, have the CD manufacturer do it for you. You will probably burn a few CDs to get it right. Be sure to test every file and every link on both a Mac and PC. (I learned this the hard way.) Jennifer Pattison Hall Chief Production Editor Ocean Drilling Program 21-Feb-1996 21:00:06-GMT,1844;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA07053 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA30895; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:55:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30854 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:55:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199602212054.AA13342@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:54:06 -0800 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Subject: Wildcards in links? To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Can DOS wildcards be used when creating hyperlinks for Acrobat to follow? For example, I'm creating PDF documents from FrameMaker. When I create a hyperlink in Frame, I use the complete path + filename. Then it gets converted to PDF mark. If I include a wildcard in the filename (e.g., the revision letter associated with a document) will my link work? This way I wouldn't have to re-create the link everytime I updated the desitination document. +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Ideas withheld or repressed are automatically imbued - Jeff Heiskell with a false sense of mystery and intrigue." The JudyBats 21-Feb-1996 21:04:18-GMT,1579;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA07131 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:04:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA30819; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:53:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30738 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:52:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 15:47:01 EST From: "itr" Encoding: 22 Text Message-Id: <9601218249.AA824946690@relay1.proteon.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat Reader for UNIX Install Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "itr" We have found a problem with the instguid.txt file for SunOS. It should say 2 Change to the Acrobat Reader directory on the CD-ROM: # /cdrom/acro_v2/acrounix (It now says cd /cdrom/acroread) 3 Start the installation script: - If you're using SunOS or Solaris 2, type: sh install ( It now says # ./install) Also, on the cover the requirements say 6 MB available hard-disk space and it should say 8 MB for UNIX. I haven't tried the readme.rdr file for Silicon Graphics. Actually, it tells you to see the readme.txt file, which is the wrong name. Are there any other errors in these two reader installation files? If so, what? Thanks. Irene Rubin 21-Feb-1996 23:50:43-GMT,3488;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA09081 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:50:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA32013; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:48:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA31968 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:45:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: Srinking views To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com, ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu, mwb@frame.com Message-id: <9601218249.AA824957018@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: PDF-L@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson Does anyone have an idea what is happening and how to fix PDF files after the fact in the following situation? 1. A PDF file begins life as a series of FrameMaker 5 files (13 files plus a book file) in a Windows 3.1 environment. There are autogenerated TOCs and about 12 hypertext links at the bottom of each page to other documents within the Frame book and to external files. 2. Next the files move to a Macintosh environment to fix the multiple master font problem caused by Windows. 3. Then we print the book as one postscript file with the generate Acrobat information and bookmarks turned on a PPC 8500. This is the only environment that seems capable of producing the correct links when two "../" are part of the path. At times this fails if not free memory is available during printing. You only get one "../" instead of two "../" in a path. (Michelle Bergmark, Frame case number 242628 still pending, Customer ID 120483) 4. The resulting PDF file returns to the Windows environment for verification and addition of hyperlinks. We also correct the order of the bookmarks since they gererate out of order. There is a pattern, but we have not figured it out yet. 5. Sometime a page hypertext link does not go where it should. There are various reason for this, including bad information in the source files. Sometimes when we use the edit destination function in Acrobat 2.1 and change the page destination from the generated destination to a different page within the PDF document it sets the view of the destination to a small view. By this I mean the view appears correct during the edit process, however when the link is checked, often it is much smaller. The amount varies according to how long Acrobat has been used. The more we use Acrobat, without exiting and restarting, the smaller the image. The smallest image we are aware of is 47 percent. If after we discover a small view, we exit Exchange and restart it, the view will increase in size, but never to full size. Editing the link again sometimes fixes the problem and sometimes it does not. It appears to be a memory problem with Exchange since the view continues to decrease as time goes on and restarting Exchange can correct the problem. =========== I now have over 150 PDF files that range from 60 to 120 pages and each page contain about 12 links. Next to impossible to check by hand. These files go to press on Monday, the 26th. (I hope, was to be done mid December 95) Once again -- any ideas why and how we can fix the files???????????? Jim watson@battelle.org 22-Feb-1996 0:24:50-GMT,1177;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA09365 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:24:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA32292; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:22:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA32258 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:21:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199602220019.KAA14568@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:33:11 -1000 To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Looking for a Movie API to run in Reader 2.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater Does anyone know whether there is a free or chargeable API to run embedded movies in Reader Thanks Aaron Qmail P.O. Box 363 Morningside Queensland Australia 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 22-Feb-1996 0:46:25-GMT,3821;000000000000 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA09549 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:46:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id PAA23991; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:49:13 -0800 Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id PAA23630; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:44:52 -0800 Received: from bclcl1.im.battelle.org by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id PAA12096; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:44:49 -0800 Received: from ccmailgw.im.battelle.org by BCLCL1 (PMDF V4.3-9 #3705) id <01I1HH9QD2C0HSOV2K@BCLCL1>; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by ccmailgw.im.battelle.org id AA824957018; Wed, 21 Feb 96 17:39:03 EST Message-Id: <9601218249.AA824957018@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:39:03 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: watson@battelle.org Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: James R Watson To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com, ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu, mwb@frame.com Subject: Srinking views Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Envelope-to: ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Does anyone have an idea what is happening and how to fix PDF files after the fact in the following situation? 1. A PDF file begins life as a series of FrameMaker 5 files (13 files plus a book file) in a Windows 3.1 environment. There are autogenerated TOCs and about 12 hypertext links at the bottom of each page to other documents within the Frame book and to external files. 2. Next the files move to a Macintosh environment to fix the multiple master font problem caused by Windows. 3. Then we print the book as one postscript file with the generate Acrobat information and bookmarks turned on a PPC 8500. This is the only environment that seems capable of producing the correct links when two "../" are part of the path. At times this fails if not free memory is available during printing. You only get one "../" instead of two "../" in a path. (Michelle Bergmark, Frame case number 242628 still pending, Customer ID 120483) 4. The resulting PDF file returns to the Windows environment for verification and addition of hyperlinks. We also correct the order of the bookmarks since they gererate out of order. There is a pattern, but we have not figured it out yet. 5. Sometime a page hypertext link does not go where it should. There are various reason for this, including bad information in the source files. Sometimes when we use the edit destination function in Acrobat 2.1 and change the page destination from the generated destination to a different page within the PDF document it sets the view of the destination to a small view. By this I mean the view appears correct during the edit process, however when the link is checked, often it is much smaller. The amount varies according to how long Acrobat has been used. The more we use Acrobat, without exiting and restarting, the smaller the image. The smallest image we are aware of is 47 percent. If after we discover a small view, we exit Exchange and restart it, the view will increase in size, but never to full size. Editing the link again sometimes fixes the problem and sometimes it does not. It appears to be a memory problem with Exchange since the view continues to decrease as time goes on and restarting Exchange can correct the problem. =========== I now have over 150 PDF files that range from 60 to 120 pages and each page contain about 12 links. Next to impossible to check by hand. These files go to press on Monday, the 26th. (I hope, was to be done mid December 95) Once again -- any ideas why and how we can fix the files???????????? Jim watson@battelle.org 22-Feb-1996 3:59:29-GMT,1400;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA10800 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:59:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00566; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:59:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA00509 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:53:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199602220341.VAA08819@sells.sells.com> Subject: Re: Looking for a Movie API to run in Reader 2.1 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 21:52:10 -0600 From: Brian R Bezanson To: "Aaron Goldwater" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brian R Bezanson Reader 2.1 comes with a QuickTime Movie Player for mac/Windows. It isn't in the default installation if memory serves. Brian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian R Bezanson Manager of Multimedia Development Sells Printing Company 414/784-9500 16000 West Rogers Drive 414/784-7876 (fax) New Berlin, WI 53151 bezanson@sells.com http://www.sells.com/ 22-Feb-1996 15:35:24-GMT,1710;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA15402 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:35:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03508; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:33:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA03383 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:25:35 -0600 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:01:00 +0100 (MET) From: "Cyril BLANC, DCC/USD" Subject: Question : a web acrobat exchange To: pdf-l Message-id: <01I1IQO7VDQQ90PSF7@mr.oecd.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; Name="MSG.TXT " Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:23:00 +0100 (MET) Importance: normal Priority: normal X400-MTS-identifier: [;61427122206991/1169619@OECDHQ] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Cyril BLANC, DCC/USD" Hello I am looking for a software that will run on a WEB server. This software should be able to search in a big document data base. As we have big documents (around 100 pages) this search engine must be able to bring the user to the words he has been searching for, those words must highlight. The user should also have the possibility to navigate in the hits. To make a long story short we are looking for an ACROBAT EXCHANGE that will be working with a WEB server. Does anybody know such a software ? Thank you in advance Cyril.blanc@oecd.org 22-Feb-1996 16:22:13-GMT,1935;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA15931 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:22:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04049; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:20:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA04013 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:20:08 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: "Cyril BLANC, DCC/USD" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:19:21 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Question : a web acrobat exchange CC: pdf-l@emrg.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <13F812566B@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Hello > > I am looking for a software that will run on a WEB server. > This software should be able to search in a big document data base. > > As we have big documents (around 100 pages) this search engine must be > able to bring the user to the words he has been searching for, those words must > highlight. The user should also have the possibility to navigate in the hits. > > To make a long story short we are looking for an ACROBAT EXCHANGE that > will be working with a WEB server. > > Does anybody know such a software ? Verity offers a web server solution that indexes PDF files. (Looks expensive though) Look at their site www.verity.com. ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 22-Feb-1996 17:07:58-GMT,2213;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA16509 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:07:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04314; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:06:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA04270 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:05:00 -0600 From: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 11:01:54 CDT Message-Id: <9601228250.AA825015862@odp.tamu.edu> To: watson@battelle.org, pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Subject: Frame and PDF files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Jim, Regarding this problem: (4) "We also correct the order of the bookmarks since they gererate out of order. There is a pattern, but we have not figured it out yet." The problem with the bookmark generation usually comes in how you create the original file. One of the bookmarks I commonly call for is the figure caption tag in Frame 5. The problem is that I have three different tags for figure captions (we have a centered less than one line caption, a justified caption, and a ragged right caption). The three different tags go into bookmarks in three groups, which is a logical problem. (The software is logical, my design is not.) The other problem is caused by the person who builds the page. Sometimes that person puts the caption in a text box, sometimes they place it in the original frame, sometimes it is part of the anchor. It is done differently because the humans involved choose to use the methodology they like best, and because sometimes one way works better than another. This variation in how the caption is placed also causes the bookmarks to fall out of sequence. Do you notice a common thread among my problems? Unfortunately, the common thread is the human element, not the software. Jennifer Hall Chief Production Editor Ocean Drilling Program 22-Feb-1996 17:59:05-GMT,3401;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA17178 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04710; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:57:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA04669 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:54:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:45:46 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brailsford X-Sender: dfb@quiver To: Martin Allen cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Multiplatform CD's In-Reply-To: <199602210707.XAA10876@ccnet.ccnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David Brailsford On Tue, 20 Feb 1996 thiersch@ccnet.com wrote: > Martin, > > At this point, you should plan to use a Mac to create a Mac-compatible > CD -- the Mac requires its own HFS files to be present, or it won't be > able to execute anything (such as the Installer) from the CD. On the > Mac, you create what's known as a "hybrid" CD, that contains both the > HFS part for the Mac and the "shared" part (ISO-9660) for the Mac plus > everyone else. > > Adobe is squarely behind the 8-ball on this problem as we speak, > because they have falsely advertised that you can create a > multiplatform CD such as you describe from a Windows environment for > their "Acrobat Search for CD-ROM" product; the latest status from them > on this is that they "haven't figured out how to do it". > It *is* possible to create a Mac/UNIX/PC compatible CD-ROM from a Windows platform without having to cheat by replicating the whole file system -- once for Mac users and once for PC/UNIX users -- on the same CD. We did this for our CAJUN project CD-ROM in April '94. However, it was *far* from straightforward with the PC CD-ROM software that we had available. Not only do you have to stick to 8.3 uppercase filenames (as indicated in Glenn Gernert's reply) you also have to do the most hair-raising editing of the ISO9660 format right down at the bit level on the hard disk image of the CD just before you burn it on to the CD-ROM itself. All this bit fiddling is to set up the optional parts of ISO9660 that PC's *don't* use but Mac's *do* use (for the "resource fork"). Essentially the suppliers of PC-based CD-ROM mastering software seem incapable of generalising this software to comprehend the needs of Macs. On the other hand, Mac based CD-mastering software will do all the bit twiddling for you that Macs need and these "extras" will be happily ignored by PCs just so long as the filenames themsleves don't transgress the 8.3 uppercase rule. So, yes, if you don't want to get up to your eyeballs in esoteric bit twiddling the easiest option is probably to prepare your multi-platform CD on a Mac-based system. David B. ----------------------------------------------------------- David F. Brailsford Dept. of Computer Science e-mail: dfb@cs.nott.ac.uk University of Nottingham Tel: +44 (0)115 951 4251 NOTTINGHAM NG7 2RD, Fax: +44 (0)115 951 4254 UK. ----------------------------------------------------------- 22-Feb-1996 18:53:52-GMT,2555;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA17891 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05195; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:51:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05149 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:48:55 -0600 X-Sender: mail11609@192.48.96.22 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:45:28 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: janosh@alphamedia.com (Jan Janosh Ivan) Subject: Subject: Multiplatform CD's Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: janosh@alphamedia.com (Jan Janosh Ivan) Martin Allen wrote on 21 Feb 1996: >We have been asked to produce PDF documents ...a CD which is Mac and >Windows >compatible... Tom Thiersch pointed on 20 Feb 1996: >execute anything (such as the Installer) from the CD... >Adobe is squarely behind the 8-bal... Only basic comments: 1/ You can excecute installer from ISO9660 CD on Mac [if it is a Mac programm] 2/ You can record ISO9660 CD with Mac names Advice: Use Toaster with HP CD-R on Mac. There is posibility to change during "the process" the naming from lower case to upper case, use ISO extension which allow Mac naming within ISO assets etc. If you want record a hybrid, with Toast it is easy and simple [you can mail me for step by step "how to do"]. Well, you can read also Manuall. BTW1: with Toast I was able to record a SGI CD, but it is more hack as for regular use. BTW2: published by ISO on 15 December 1995. ISO/IEC 13490 may be viewed as the successor to ISO 9660:1988, Information processing Volume and file structure of CD-ROM for information interchange. In particular, ISO/IEC 13490 <<< corrects >>> all of the known shortcomings of ISO 9660, including: allowing long filenames, providing for multibyte character sets, providing for Posix attributes, allowing for incremental recording and specifying how multisession is to be used. --janosh Disclaimer: nothing to do with Astarte, am only happy Toaster user since 1993, it's mean from version 0.9beta. -- **** -- ALPHA MEDIA, Inc. Media Integration & Consulting 208 D Granada Ave. Belmont Shore, CA 90803-5512 Phone: (310) 438-1661 Fax: (310) 438-3297 E-mail: janosh@alphamedia.com (Jan Janosh Ivan) -- **** -- 23-Feb-1996 7:24:56-GMT,1608;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA25984 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:24:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA08832; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:23:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA08678 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:20:38 -0600 X-Sender: hal9001@popserver.panix.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Mac Eudora Pro 2.1.4 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:20:39 -0500 To: thiersch@ccnet.com From: "Robert A. Rosenberg" Subject: Re: Multiplatform CD's Cc: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen), pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Robert A. Rosenberg" At 23:07 2/20/96, thiersch@ccnet.com wrote: >At this point, you should plan to use a Mac to create a Mac-compatible >CD -- the Mac requires its own HFS files to be present, or it won't be >able to execute anything (such as the Installer) from the CD. On the >Mac, you create what's known as a "hybrid" CD, that contains both the >HFS part for the Mac and the "shared" part (ISO-9660) for the Mac plus >everyone else. Why not do it the Simple Way by just making the CD a Multi-Partition SCSI Format (just like a HD) and have a Mac HFS Partition and a MS-DOS/Windows Format Partition? The Type-on-Call Font CD-ROM uses this format I think. 23-Feb-1996 7:25:23-GMT,2343;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA25993 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:25:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA08838; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:23:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA08697 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:20:50 -0600 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:43:00 +0100 (MET) From: "Cyril BLANC, DCC/USD" Subject: Re: Question : a web acrobat exchange To: Mark Czajka Cc: "Cyril BLANC, DCC/USD" , pdf-l Message-id: <01I1JO1KIWOM90PJHW@mr.oecd.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; Name="MSG.TXT " Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:11:00 +0100 (MET) Importance: normal Priority: normal X400-MTS-identifier: [;05919032206991/1171461@OECDHQ] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Cyril BLANC, DCC/USD" O C D E O E C D M E M O R A N D U M CC: pdf-l A / To : Cyril BLANC, DCC/USD De / From : Mark Czajka Paris, 22-Feb-1996 Objet / Subject Re: Question : a web acrobat exchange Hello > > I am looking for a software that will run on a WEB server. > This software should be able to search in a big document data base. > > As we have big documents (around 100 pages) this search engine must be > able to bring the user to the words he has been searching for, those words must > highlight. The user should also have the possibility to navigate in the hits. > > To make a long story short we are looking for an ACROBAT EXCHANGE that > will be working with a WEB server. > > Does anybody know such a software ? >Verity offers a web server solution that indexes PDF files. (Looks expensive though) >Look at their site www.verity.com. Thanks for your answer, but Verity told me last week that there are not able to highlight in the PDF. 23-Feb-1996 8:05:40-GMT,2452;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA26219 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:05:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA09318; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:04:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA09285 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:04:10 -0600 Message-Id: <312D73B7.1FD6@esrin.esa.it> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:58:47 +0100 From: Jurgen Scholz Organization: European Space Agency(ESA) - ESRIN DPE/IM X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-22-96 [V1 #171] References: <199602230550.XAA07775@grandcanyon.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jurgen Scholz Beside what is offered by Adobe (Verity Search Engine), you might want to look at what Fulcrum is doing. In the mid/long-term this might be a solution. (http://www.fulcrum.com:80/Eng/press/adobe.htm) > > From: "Cyril BLANC, DCC/USD" > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:01:00 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Question : a web acrobat exchange > > Hello > > I am looking for a software that will run on a WEB server. > This software should be able to search in a big document data base. > > As we have big documents (around 100 pages) this search engine must be > able to bring the user to the words he has been searching for, those words must > highlight. The user should also have the possibility to navigate in the hits. > > To make a long story short we are looking for an ACROBAT EXCHANGE that > will be working with a WEB server. > > Does anybody know such a software ? > > Thank you in advance > > Cyril.blanc@oecd.org > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Juergen Scholz EUROPEAN SPACE AGENCY ESRIN DPE/IM Phone: +39 - 6 - 94180-434 Fax: +39 - 6 - 94180-412 via Galileo Galilei I-00044 Frascati(RM) E-Mail: Jurgen.Scholz@esrin.esa.it *** DISCLAIMER: Opinions expressed might not be those of the European Space Agency. 23-Feb-1996 10:10:40-GMT,2149;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA26737 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 03:10:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA09820; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 04:09:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA09780 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 04:08:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199602231007.EAA37470@glacier.binc.net> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Capture questions Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:01:29 +0000 From: William S Lovegrove Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: William S Lovegrove I have been asked by the Acrobat user forum in England to give a seminar in London in March on using Acrobat Capture, the advantages and disadvantages, my experiences, and so on. I have a couple of questions which would I anticipate being asked about. * Are their plans to allow Capture to process colour images, if so when? * Are their plans to allow Capture to process foreign character sets? If so when, and which languages? * I understand that the latest release of Adobe Illustrator accepts PDF file format input. If this is the case is it possible to load Capture output into this version of Illustrator and edit the images. I.e. replace bitmap pictures with rescaned colour images which have been tidied and cropped/filter with Photoshop? * I read recently on the PDF-L mail list that there is an alternative way to view the errors that reviewer produces. I cannot remember who produced this package, I think it may be Emerge, can you point me towards some information regarding this product. Thanks in advance, William Lovegrove ____________________________________________________________________________ William Lovegrove wsl@cs.nott.ac.uk Electronic Publishing Research Group University Of Nottingham ____________________________________________________________________________ 23-Feb-1996 14:32:38-GMT,2959;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA28040 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:32:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA10627; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:31:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA10586 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:29:12 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:04:19 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brailsford X-Sender: dfb@quiver To: "Robert A. Rosenberg" cc: thiersch@ccnet.com, Martin Allen , pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Multiplatform CD's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David Brailsford On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > > Why not do it the Simple Way by just making the CD a Multi-Partition SCSI > Format (just like a HD) and have a Mac HFS Partition and a MS-DOS/Windows > Format Partition? The Type-on-Call Font CD-ROM uses this format I think. > Yes -- this way saves a lot of grief provided you have plenty of spare space on the CD-ROM to allow for duplicating the file system. But there really ought to be amore elegant way to prepare cross-platform CDs. We can only hope that the new ISO standard is all-embracing and will solve many of the problems we've been discussing on this thread. But the real pressure has to be put on the software suppliers to implement *all* of the agreed standard rather than implementing only that subset which applies to the Platform/OS on which the mastering software itself is being run. As we've seen Windows/DOS based software is particularly bad in this regard. Another point to watch ====================== If you are preparing cross-platform CDs then do be sure, with plain text files (e.g README.TXT) to end all lines with CR and LF. The problem here is that UNIX uses LF to mark end of line, DOS uses CR LF and Macs (I think) use CR (?) So if you use both of CR and LF then everything works OK apart from the pain of seeing (for example) superfluous ^J characters on your UNIX screen at the end of every line. This applies only to plain text files of course -- PDFs are no problem because the PDF design (being aware of these differences on various platforms) accepts either CR *or* LF *or* CR LF as marking the end of a line ----------------------------------------------------------- David F. Brailsford Dept. of Computer Science e-mail: dfb@cs.nott.ac.uk University of Nottingham Tel: +44 (0)115 951 4251 NOTTINGHAM NG7 2RD, Fax: +44 (0)115 951 4254 UK. ----------------------------------------------------------- 23-Feb-1996 22:56:02-GMT,2098;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA04044 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:55:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA12285; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:52:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA12228 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:44:28 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 14:43 PST X-Sender: twurtz@mail.cts.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: TODD WURTZ Subject: Capture, WWW Servers, and large amounts of PDF documents Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: TODD WURTZ I can see some of the advantages of using Capture to digitize documents. What I have not found is a WWW site with massive amounts of PDF information that have used Adobe's Capture product (or any site using scanned documents created by Capture) . What if a company had a 50,000 page product catalog of information they would like to make available on the WWW. Assuming they do not have the electronic version of any of these files, they would scan and create PDF files using Capture. The Capture created pdf files would range between 30k to 100k per page in size. If you made this information available on a WWW server it seems to me the rate to transfer a single 100k page using a 14,400 modem would be unacceptable. My questions are: Are there any sites that have done anything similar? If there are no sites currently doing this, is this because the bandwidth is not yet there to make this a viable solution? I can see how Capture could be used to publish this information and distribute it on CD-ROM, but is there a viable solution to distribute the information on the WWW using PDF and Capture? If anyone has any insight on this please respond, Thanks Todd S Wurtz 24-Feb-1996 1:39:11-GMT,2642;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA06046 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13149; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:38:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA13111 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:36:15 -0600 Message-Id: <9602240135.AA2293@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: TODD WURTZ Cc: PDF-L From: Bob Marsh Date: 23 Feb 96 17:43:24 EDT Subject: Re: Capture, WWW Servers, and large amounts of PDF documents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >Are there any sites that have done anything similar? > >I can see how Capture could be used to publish this information and >distribute it on CD-ROM, but is there a viable solution to distribute the >information on the WWW using PDF and Capture? We (Sony) are in the midst of doing something like this for IEEE. We've converted approximately 1.5 million pages of scanned images to PDF format (IEEE and IEE published journals, conference proceedings, standards, etc.). The collection first shipped on (~200) CD-ROMs this week together with a two CD-ROM bibliographic index built using Verity's search engine. We did not, however, use Capture to do the scanning and conversion. It wasn't available when we started the project and recently decided not to substitute it for the tools we developed in-house. We're capturing other information as we scan, QA and ultimately create PDFs (i.e. article definitions). The result is virtually the same except we've embedded article identifiers in the PDF. We're using Capture for other projects but with the same data. We were hoping that we could eliminate most of the scanned image and significantly reduce the page sizes. Doesn't work well enough to be acceptable for this kind of application (despite very clean source documents). Capture introduces too many font substitutions and errors to make volume processing feasible. Ultimately this database will be made available on the Net. And, relative to the other alternatives (e.g. fax, FedEx), the time to deliver pages is acceptable. Amber makes delivering parts of PDFs tolerable. The business issues are far more serious than the technical issues for this database. Bob Marsh Sony Electronic Publishing Services 24-Feb-1996 1:59:25-GMT,3897;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA06171 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13350; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:57:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA13302 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:56:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:49:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199602240149.RAA13499@napalm.noc.best.net> X-Sender: paknad@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Deidre Paknad Subject: Re: Capture, WWW Servers, and large amounts of PDF documents Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Deidre Paknad In response to Todd Wurtz's message re: Capture conversion and downloading>> Good questions.... we certainly hope and believe that Capture-gathered documents belong on web sites. I recently took a 200 page (PDF) manual off of a site. I don't know the size of the file, but it was completely downloaded before I could get another cup of coffee. To me, that exercise was simple and fast. Of course electronic transmission speeds can (and should) increase. But, let's face it, in the manual world Fed Ex still takes 24 hours, a phone call still takes 10 minutes, you can still be put on hold for 25 minutes on a tech support line, US mail takes 3-5 business days..... in other words, the OTHER methods of getting the same information are orders of magnitude slower, more complex, and more expensive. And methods one would otherwise use cost both the requestor and the supplier. Printing color catalogs, mailing them, servicing requests, etc. costs BIG bucks. I would guess that the shift from printing to PDF alone would be well worth any associated costs! The day you start converting documents to PDF and making them available on the web is the day you move forward. The adoption of the technology makes me certain that improved methods of handling, distributing, and downloading are imminent. Bottom line, even if it takes 3-5 minutes to download a catalog it is an exponential improvement! Humbly submitted as my personal opinion, Deidre Paknad Glyphica Solutions Document Conversion Systems & Services (predictable, huh?) 415/493-0620 paknad@glyphica.com p.s. Are you refering to PAGE size or FILE size in your text? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 02:43 PM 2/23/96 PST, you wrote: >I can see some of the advantages of using Capture to digitize documents. >What I have not found is a WWW site with massive amounts of PDF information >that have used Adobe's Capture product (or any site using scanned documents >created by Capture) . What if a company had a 50,000 page product catalog of >information they would like to make available on the WWW. Assuming they do >not have the electronic version of any of these files, they would scan and >create PDF files using Capture. The Capture created pdf files would range >between 30k to 100k per page in size. If you made this information available >on a WWW server it seems to me the rate to transfer a single 100k page using >a 14,400 modem would be unacceptable. > > >My questions are: > >Are there any sites that have done anything similar? > >If there are no sites currently doing this, is this because the bandwidth is >not yet there to make this a viable solution? > >I can see how Capture could be used to publish this information and >distribute it on CD-ROM, but is there a viable solution to distribute the >information on the WWW using PDF and Capture? > >If anyone has any insight on this please respond, Thanks >Todd S Wurtz > > 24-Feb-1996 4:23:41-GMT,4958;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA06966 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:23:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14147; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:22:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA14021 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:14:38 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960224041329.006ed8ac@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:13:29 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Capture, WWW Servers, and large amounts of PDF documents Cc: TWURTZ@CTS.COM Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert At 02:43 PM 2/23/96 PST, you wrote: >I can see some of the advantages of using Capture to digitize documents. >What I have not found is a WWW site with massive amounts of PDF information >that have used Adobe's Capture product (or any site using scanned documents >created by Capture) . What if a company had a 50,000 page product catalog of >information they would like to make available on the WWW. Assuming they do >not have the electronic version of any of these files, they would scan and >create PDF files using Capture. The Capture created pdf files would range >between 30k to 100k per page in size. If you made this information available >on a WWW server it seems to me the rate to transfer a single 100k page using >a 14,400 modem would be unacceptable. Sounds like you have scoped out the situation pretty well on your own. There are many places Captur-ing documents in substantial qunatity but few of these PDFs make it to public web sites for the reasons you state above. >My questions are: > >Are there any sites that have done anything similar? I know many sites that have massive amounts of Capture-d documents...but I do not personally know of any who are making these materials available on the web. >If there are no sites currently doing this, is this because the bandwidth is >not yet there to make this a viable solution? Partly. And most clients that we work with at EMERGE are not interested in putting the Capture-d documents on a public web site. For most, Capture is a way to get documents into PDF for easy archiving and retrieval. These companies are simply sitting on paper archives that have become too large to manage and too costly to maintain. Capture is a solution for eliminating or reducing this paper. Most of these Capture-d PDFs end up on CD or a LAN where they can be searched, retrieved, and if necessary printed back out to paper with the same fidelity as the original. >I can see how Capture could be used to publish this information and >distribute it on CD-ROM, but is there a viable solution to distribute the >information on the WWW using PDF and Capture? Acrobat Amber may offer some advantages with it's ability to serve up PDFs one page at a time. Whether Capture produced PDFs can be 'linearized' to make use of Amber is another question. We are working on a project this week for a client who wants to put back-issues of their corporate newsletter on a web site. However, these will be completely 'cleaned-up' with Capture Reviewer so file size will be comparable to that produced through PDF-Writer directly from an electronic source. >If anyone has any insight on this please respond, Thanks Capture is probably _not_ a suitable tool for getting the 50,000 page catalog you mention above on the web. There are several things you can do to reduce file size that I would be more than happy to discuss in detail if you would like. Bottom line.....if a client came to Emerge wanting to Capture a 50,000 page catalog specifally for web distribution.....I would probably strongly advise against it unless the layout of this catalog was extremely simple so that full text clean-up with Reviewer was a viable and cost effective option. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 24-Feb-1996 4:23:55-GMT,2518;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA06968 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14149; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:22:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA13997 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:13:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:13:08 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Crumpler To: Deidre Paknad cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Capture, WWW Servers, and large amounts of PDF documents In-Reply-To: <199602240149.RAA13499@napalm.noc.best.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gary Crumpler On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Deidre Paknad wrote: > In response to Todd Wurtz's message re: Capture conversion and downloading>> > > Good questions.... we certainly hope and believe that Capture-gathered > documents belong on web sites. I recently took a 200 page (PDF) manual off > of a site. I don't know the size of the file, but > it was completely downloaded before I could get another cup of coffee. > > > The day you start converting documents to PDF and making them available > on the web is the day you move forward. The adoption of the technology > Well said Deidre, frankly I've been amazed at the speed of download and quality of material I've been able to nab off the net. Previous comments about file sizes text and graphics vs pdf and my own experiments lead me to believe PDF is the wave of the future. Heck, just think of the alternatives. If your content is graphically rich and layout is important, i.e. you created you document in pagemaker, Xpress, etc. File sizes are huge when compared to the resulting PDF. Or if the electronic source isn't available, just think of the embodied energy in photocopying or reprinting, this is the problem Capture was created for wasn't it. Not to mention the economies gained from elecronic distribution. |>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>| Gary Crumpler (704) 264-1983 gc11040@xx.acs.appstate.edu http://www.acs.appstate.edu/~gc11040 |<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<| 24-Feb-1996 4:26:20-GMT,3725;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA06982 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14306; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:26:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA14235 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:23:57 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960224042238.00c01ae4@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:22:38 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: Capture questions Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert At 10:01 AM 2/23/96 +0000, you wrote: > > I have been asked by the Acrobat user forum in England to give > a seminar in London in March on using Acrobat Capture, the advantages > and disadvantages, my experiences, and so on. I have a couple of > questions which would I anticipate being asked about. > > * Are their plans to allow Capture to process colour images, if so when? Hopefully someone from Adobe will jump in on this one. Have you ever tried processing a 400 dpi grayscale image with Capture? This process alone can bring a Pentium 100 to its knees for several minutes. Add color and the HUGE file sizes that go along with it and your Pentium will be 'down for the count'. I think we can specualte this this will happen but I would not want to hold my breath waiting. > * Are their plans to allow Capture to process foreign character sets? > If so when, and which languages? Yes....and again maybe someone from Adobe will jump in with more specifics. Suffice it to say that foreign dictionaries are currently licensed and plans are being made to release non-English Capture versions. > * I understand that the latest release of Adobe Illustrator accepts PDF > file format input. If this is the case is it possible to load Capture > output into this version of Illustrator and edit the images. I.e. replace > bitmap pictures with rescaned colour images which have been tidied > and cropped/filter with Photoshop? Yes...this can be done. I recently ran across some documents produced by Los Alamos National Lab that used this procedure. > * I read recently on the PDF-L mail list that there is an alternative > way to view the errors that reviewer produces. I cannot remember who > produced this package, I think it may be Emerge, can you point me > towards some information regarding this product. The product you refer to is called ReviewZ and is available from a company called VerTec. See ReviewZ is one piece of a product called VerZions. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 26-Feb-1996 11:08:13-GMT,2048;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA24099 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA25987; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:06:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA25863 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:54:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199602261052.LAA27910@utrecht.knoware.nl> X-Sender: mkluwer@pop.knoware.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:52:18 -0100 To: pdf-l From: mkluwer@universal.nl (Manou Kluwer) Subject: Re: Question : a web acrobat exchange Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mkluwer@universal.nl (Manou Kluwer) Cyril BLANC wrote: >Hello > > I am looking for a software that will run on a WEB server. > This software should be able to search in a big document data base. > > As we have big documents (around 100 pages) this search engine must be >able to bring the user to the words he has been searching for, those words must >highlight. The user should also have the possibility to navigate in the hits. > > To make a long story short we are looking for an ACROBAT EXCHANGE that >will be working with a WEB server. > > Does anybody know such a software ? > > >Thank you in advance > >Cyril.blanc@oecd.org > Cyril, You should take a look at PLWeb from Personal Library Software. (T.I.M. is VAR for the PLS products in the Benelux). PLWeb will do all you want and much more (like relevance ranking and finding related words on a statistical basis). You find PLS at http://www.pls.com prices start at $ 4995 Kind regards, Manou Kluwer Manou Kluwer | Text Information Management mkluwer@universal.nl | Viermorgen 27 http://www.universal.nl/tim | 6681WH Bemmel tel. +31-481-465335 | The Netherlands fax +31-481-464345 26-Feb-1996 18:14:52-GMT,1682;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27996 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:14:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01967; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:10:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA01894 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:04:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3131E806.750@sejm.gov.pl> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:04:06 +0200 From: Zbigniew Jablonski Organization: Chancellory of The Sejm X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l Subject: Question:a web acrobat exchange Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Zbigniew Jablonski Cyril BLANC wrote: >Hello > > I am looking for a software that will run on a WEB server. > This software should be able to search in a big document data base. > > As we have big documents (around 100 pages) this search engine must be >able to bring the user to the words he has been searching for, those words must >highlight. The user should also have the possibility to navigate in the hits. > > To make a long story short we are looking for an ACROBAT EXCHANGE that >will be working with a WEB server. > > Does anybody know such a software ? > > >Thank you in advance > >Cyril.blanc@oecd.org Cyril, Take a look at TOPIC from Verity (http://www.verity.com) and their Customer Demos. Zbigniew 26-Feb-1996 20:02:53-GMT,2575;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29575 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02509; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:59:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA02467 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:57:15 -0600 Message-ID: <31323B2D.10A0@cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:58:53 -0800 From: "Michael A. Friedman" Reply-To: maf3@cornell.edu Organization: Albert R. Mann Library X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com CC: Howard Raskin , Bill Garrison Subject: Capture Crashes!!! Arrg!!! References: <199602230550.XAA07775@grandcanyon.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Michael A. Friedman" Folks, While scanning a document (8 1/2 x 11, photocopy of an article.), I got the message: "This program has preformed and illegal operation and will be shut down. Capture caused and invalid page fault in module Capture,exe at 0137:04d4dcc. I then clicked on details and got: EAX=00000000 CS=0137 EIP=004d4dcc EFLGS=00010246 EBX=00000000 SS=0137 ESP=00c4f538 EBP=00c4f544 ECX=00000000 DS=013f ESI=01361664 FS=1c37 EDX=00000016 ES=013f EDI=00c40002 GS=0000 BYTES at CS:EIPS 8b 10 8b c8 ff 92 44 01 00 00 5e c3 8d 64 24 00 Stack Dump: 00000144 00511 ea6 00000144 00c4f558 00525030 000003a4 00000144 013603a4 00c4f57c 00514085 013603a4 00c4f5f8 00008668 01363cf4 00524f50 01363cf4 Right after I got that messageI rebooted my system, (yes, I am running Windows95 on a Pentium 100 MHz machine with 64MBS of RAM) then I went back into Capture and all my output folders were gone! I attempted to create a folder and got a similar message at above. Now you all know it took me a long time to type all the above message in, am I doing something obviousoy wrong??? this has happened when using the Reviewer too. We just cleaned off the PC of all Windows 3.1 files and re-installed Win95 and re-installed all the Adobe software. Can anyone give me some usefull advice??? thanks in advance. michael -- Michael A. Friedman Full Text Specialist Albert R. Mann Library Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 607-255-5680 maf3@cornell.edu 26-Feb-1996 20:33:46-GMT,6587;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29933 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:33:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02713; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:29:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA02677 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:27:07 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960226202605.00722a24@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:26:05 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Capture, WWW Servers, etc again Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert I want to jump in on this thread one more time as I am somewhat concerned as to the mixed message we sent Mr Wurtz. I advised against the proposed project while others advocated a full speed ahead approach. As always, feel free to contradict as what follows is opinion only. In response to Todd Wurtz's message re: Capture conversion and downloading >> Good questions.... we certainly hope and believe that Capture-gathered >> documents belong on web sites. I recently took a 200 page (PDF) manual off >> of a site. I don't know the size of the file, but >> it was completely downloaded before I could get another cup of coffee. >> You dont say if this was a Capture produced PDF....but I'm guessing it was not. >> >> The day you start converting documents to PDF and making them available >> on the web is the day you move forward. The adoption of the technology...... >> >Well said Deidre, frankly I've been amazed at the speed of download and >quality of material I've been able to nab off the net. Previous comments >about file sizes text and graphics vs pdf and my own experiments lead me >to believe PDF is the wave of the future. First, I applaude your enthusiastic support of PDF as a document distribution format for the web. And the good is soon to become better when Acrobat Amber becomes a working reality. A living testimonial to the proliferation of PDF on the web can be found on the Adobe 'Cool PDFs' pages. If you have not visited these pages recently, you will be bowled over by both quantity and quality. HOWEVER, I think some of you have unintentially skirted the original question posed by Mr Wurtz. If I may summarize and restate, here is what I hear Mr Wurtz asking....correct me if I'm wrong: 'I have a 50,000 page catalog that I want to get on the web. No electronic version is available. Is Capture a suitable tool to accomplish this task. In my opinion the answer is an emphatic NO.....Capture is probably _not_ the tool to use for this project. Granted, it may be the _only_ way to get this material on the web but if it is unusable or marginally usable once you get it there you have done little more than create a monument to your own good intentions. When the word *catalog* is mentioned I conjure up ideas of somewhat graphically rich pages....use of some color...probably lots of B$W photos....colorized backgrouds....dot backgrounds.....graphic bleeds....possibly tabular info with small fonts and less than optimum print quality etc etc etc. Typically you will find some or all of the above in the average catalog. If I have sized this situation up correctly, I would maintain that Capture is probably _not_ a suitable tool for getting these pages into PDF no less a means for getting it on the web. The above suppositions about the catalog would tell me one would need 300 dpi grayscale scans on many or all pages to achieve even _marginal_ graphic quality. If this is the case, the Capture-d pages can easily approach 1 MB in size (each). I must also speculate that Capture "image + text" processing will be mandatory throughout as Capture will probably not be able to adequately handle the complexity of the layout. Keep in mind that Capture was designed and intended for the 'average business type document'. Outside that realm the Capture technology begins to be stretched. Also remember Capture is a 1.0(1) product....better things are obviously in store....but for now this is what we have to work with. I am a _strong_ Capture advocate. My livlihood and the success of the company I work for quite literally hinge on the success of Capture and the Acrobat technology. When I find a dissatisfied Capture user, however, I frequently find that the Capture technology has been oversold with far too much 'can do' talk. Capture is a great piece of technology but it does have its limitations. Keep these limitatins in mind and you are a happy user. Treat Capture as a 'do-all PDF maker' and you are probably in for some disappontment. I feel relatively certain that if Mr Wurtz were to pursue this project using Capture....we would soon see him posting to this list saying he now has 5 GIGs of murky looking PDFs that are slated to go on his web site. What have I done wrong?....you folks told me this would work. Without seeing the pages I can't be sure, but my guess is that the reallity of the situation would suggest Capture is not a viable option for getting this catalog on the web. It may be suitable for creating a fully searchable electronic version of these pages for internal use...and in fact we are currently working on just such a project for one of our clients. Knowing what Capture can _not_ do is equally important to knowing what it can do. I too hope to see more Capture produced PDFs on the web but there are currently limits as to what is practical. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 27-Feb-1996 5:38:23-GMT,1489;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06267 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:38:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA05279; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:37:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA05227 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:30:43 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960227053332.006b0be8@sky.net> X-Sender: brud@sky.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:33:32 -0600 To: pdf-l@binc.net From: Brud Jones Subject: SciTex to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brud Jones Does anyone have any experience in getting SciTex output into PDF. The printers or design firms I have been working with seem to provide extremely large files for conversion when they are working with Scitex Systems. Any input would be greatly appreciated! _______________________________________________________________ Brud Jones Phone: (816)421-0683 Corporate Document Systems Fax: (816)474-1237 913 Baltimore Voice Mail: (816)840-4755 Kansas City, MO 64105 Pager: (816)691-9969 Email: brud@irin.com brud@sky.net 27-Feb-1996 6:39:33-GMT,1241;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06692 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:39:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA06247; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:38:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA06210 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:37:30 -0600 From: mbuhr@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 10:00:30 PDT Message-Id: <9601268253.AA825398406@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: New Mac and Win versions of Amber Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mbuhr@mv.us.adobe.com PDF-L'ers, Adobe is pleased to announce the posting of a pre-release demo version of the Acrobat "Amber" (codename) Reader for Macintosh and an updated release for Windows95, or WindowsNT. We have also posted new Acrobat Amber example files that include bookmarks, Article threads and Weblinks! Make sure you check it out at http://www.adobe.com/Amber. Thank you for your continued enthusiasm for Acrobat Amber! Best Regards- Michael Buhr Acrobat Product Team, Adobe Systems Inc. 27-Feb-1996 9:52:18-GMT,2009;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08417 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 02:52:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA07106; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 03:51:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA07004 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 03:40:17 -0600 Message-Id: <3132D1F8.75F3@deltanet.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 01:42:16 -0800 From: "David P. Dugan" Reply-To: bezonian@deltanet.com Organization: Bezonian Design Works X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Amber question References: <199602270550.XAA05422@grandcanyon.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "David P. Dugan" Hello all. I can't remember if I've signed in on this list, so I'll do that first. My name is Dave Dugan and I'm team director at Bezonian Design Works in Tustin, California. We've turned 90% of our efforts to Internet publishing, and Acrobat is a big part of our day to day operations. I can't wait to use Amber to its full advantages, especially with today's press release about Adobe, Apple & Netscape joining forces to bring better typefaces to the WWW, which brings me to my question. Now that I've loaded the Amber alpha plug-in into my Netscape 2.0 release, is there any way to download PDFs to my drive anymore, or will they only open into Netscape now? Do I have to remove the plug-in from my Netscape folder? I am, of course, on a Macintosh, if that helps. And thank you in advance for any suggestions. David P. Dugan Bezonian Design Works Tustin, California bezonian@deltanet.com "I asked for God to give me her love, but upon seeing her He wanted it for Himself." 27-Feb-1996 14:33:17-GMT,1412;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09785 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA08234; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:32:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA08110 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:19:13 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:20:49 -0500 From: Theresa Norton To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Pagemaker-to-Acrobat: Cut-off pages Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Theresa Norton We have a manual in Pagemaker 5.0 for Windows that has facing pages for landscape tables. We set up the Pagemaker file to "build booklet" in order to keep the facing pages when we print to PDFWriter. Unfortunately, though, when we view the file in Acrobat Reader, the pages are shifted and cut-off. Everything looks fine in Pagemaker. Does anyone have a suggestion for fixing this? We tried changing the page size, but are still having the problem. Thanks in advance. Theresa Norton theresan@wpo.jhpiego.org JHPIEGO/Johns Hopkins Program for International Education in Reproductive Health 27-Feb-1996 15:30:47-GMT,2210;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10220 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:30:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08502; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:27:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA08454 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:25:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:20:58 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pdf-l@emrg.com CC: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <960227152058.21e2702a@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Ambr32a1 for Windows'95: don't waste your time trying :-( Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) [Copy of letter to Adobe] -------- Michael -- >> Adobe is pleased to announce the posting of a pre-release demo version of the >> Acrobat "Amber" (codename) Reader for Macintosh and an updated release for >> Windows95, or WindowsNT. We have also posted new Acrobat Amber example files >> that include bookmarks, Article threads and Weblinks! >> Make sure you check it out at http://www.adobe.com/Amber. >> Thank you for your continued enthusiasm for Acrobat Amber! Any enthusiasm that I may once have had for Amber disappeared when I found that this new release appears to be just as catastrophically incomplete as your first version. You will remember that when Ambr32d1 was first announced, half the world could not install it, since some vital element had been omitted from the kit; apparently in-house tests had failed to reveal this problem since all in-house machines had the vital element. I have now downloaded Ambr32a1 and find its installation pattern is just like the first release: complete and utter failure, resulting in intense frustration and an unbearable desire to throw the entire machine out of the window. Is it really beyond Adobe's ability to release _reliable_ and _complete_ software packages to the user community? Yours very sincerely, Philip Taylor, University of London. 27-Feb-1996 15:56:49-GMT,1409;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10509 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08710; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:53:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA08652 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:47:41 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 27 Feb 1996 09:18:49 U From: Blankenship-CIC-TI Subject: Capture Problem To: PDF Question X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Blankenship-CIC-TI We have installed the new version of Capture (1.01) and have discovered that we cannot open ACD files which were created with Capture Reviewer (1.0). Adobe has a case number (1400855) assigned to our problem, it has been over two weeks since we first discussed it with Adobe Tech. Support and we still have not received any advice on how to fix the problem. Has anyone else had this problem??? We installed Windows 95 to see if it would help the problem, but it makes no difference which Windows package is running. Any help will be appreciated Bob Blankenship 27-Feb-1996 17:38:01-GMT,1847;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11647 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:37:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09322; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:35:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09260 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:32:28 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:30:35 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com, mbuhr@mv.us.adobe.com CC: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <960227173035.21e48a51@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: An apology to Adobe Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Phil Smith has kindly pointed out that the UK copy of Ambr32a1 is about 4K bytes shorter than the US reference copy, a fact which I should have noticed before sounding off at Adobe. I therefore apologise most sincerely to Adobe for suggesting that their quality control procedures had failed them on this occasion: I have no evidence of this, and unless and until I can download a copy from the US reference site, I have no way of determining whether or not it is defective. Philip Taylor, University of London. [I would also point out that all copies of Ambr32a1 which Ftpsearch.Unit.No is able to locate are also about 4k short; readers should therefore avoid all such copies. It would, of course, be a great service to those of us separated from the US reference site by several thousand miles and a badly overloaded piece of wet string if Adobe would create a European reference site on which we could reply.] 27-Feb-1996 18:54:31-GMT,7651;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12638 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:54:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA09911; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:45:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA09826 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:42:15 -0600 X-Sender: kfoss@emrg.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Header: (C)1996_Kurt Foss: I own my words, for better or worse. X-Header: Join the PDF-L discussion list--> X-Header: Send message -->subscribe PDF-L X-Header: Send to: majordomo@binc.net Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:53:14 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: FWD>Adobe, Apple and Netscape to Collaborate on New Internet Font Technology Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss The sort of announcement one might expect on the week of the Spring Seybold Conference ... ---forwarded---> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:58:16 -0800 From: Kawasaki@eworld.com To: macway-for-guy@solutions.apple.com Subject: PR--Internet Fonts Agreement Adobe, Apple and Netscape to Collaborate on New Internet Font Technology Collaboration to Establish the Standard For High-Quality, High-Performance Fonts on the Web; Companies to Submit Proposal to Industry Standards Organizations MOUNTAIN VIEW, California--February 26, 1996--Adobe Systems Incorporated, Apple Computer, Inc., and Netscape Communications Corporation (NASDAQ: ADBE, AAPL, NSCP) today announced that they will work together to define and deliver HTML extensions for type on the Web. The three companies expect to provide an open, cross-platform technology solution for using Type 1 and TrueType fonts in HTML and PDF documents. This new Web font technology marks a significant advance in the visual appeal of Internet information. People viewing information on the Internet will benefit from a rich font assortment on a page with excellent performance. People creating information for the Web will be able to choose from numerous fonts and ensure that users see their pages as they were originally intended to be seen. With Adobe's long-standing leadership in developing digital type, Netscape's leadership in open Internet software, and Apple's font expertise as the inventors of TrueType, users will benefit from: --Anti-aliased type for higher screen quality for both large and small type sizes --Embedded, compressed fonts for fast performance over 14.4 kilobit/second modem connections and font fidelity --Progressively rendered fonts which enable the screen to display text immediately --Font subsetting which improves performance because only the characters needed will be downloaded. This new Web font technology exploits technology already under development as part of Adobe's Acrobat "Amber" Plug-in for Netscape Navigator. The new font technology will be supported in the next version of "Amber," and later this year in Netscape Navigator client software. Apple bundles Adobe Acrobat and Netscape Navigator with the Apple Internet Connection Kit and the Apple Internet Server Solution. The companies plan a submission of this technology to the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) and Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) as a proposed extension to HTML. The new Web font technology will be usable by style sheet designs such as the one the W3C is developing for HTML 3.0. "This new Web font technology adds dramatic new dimensions to the Internet experience enabling Netscape users to view and create pages with new richness," said Dr. James Clark, chairman and founder of Netscape. "This marks a collective effort by the industry to evolve type and content on the Internet and we are pleased to be collaborating with world leaders in font technology." "By working closely with Netscape and Apple, we intend to bring to the Internet the kind of visually compelling information users have come to expect in other media, such as print publications and CD-ROMs," said John Warnock, chairman and CEO of Adobe. "This effort marries well with Adobe's current strategy to make electronic publishing a graphically rich and rewarding experience for both authors and consumers." "Apple was involved in introducing to the market the two most pervasive font formats: Adobe's Type 1 and our own TrueType," said Dr. Gilbert Amelio, chairman and CEO of Apple. "Working with Netscape and Adobe, we intend to adapt these technologies to the World Wide Web, a medium which is growing rapidly in importance to the customers we serve. Apple's goal is to bring the ease of use and multimedia richness for which the Macintosh is known to the emerging Internet platform." Based in Mountain View, Calif., Adobe Systems Incorporated is the world's third largest personal computer software company, with 1995 revenue of $762.3 million. The company develops and supports products to help people express and use information in more imaginative and meaningful ways, across all print and electronic media. Founded in 1982, Adobe helped launch the desktop publishing revolution. Today, the company offers a market-leading line of application software and type products for creating and distributing visually rich communication materials; licenses its industry-standard technologies to major hardware manufacturers, software developers, and service providers; and offers integrated software solutions to businesses of all sizes. For more information, see Adobe's home page at http://www.adobe.com on the World Wide Web. Apple Computer, Inc., a recognized innovator in the information industry and leader in multimedia technologies, creates powerful solutions based on easy-to-use personal computers, servers, peripherals, software, online services, and personal digital assistants. Headquartered in Cupertino, California, Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL) develops, manufactures, licenses and markets solutions, products, technologies and services for business, education, consumer, entertainment, scientific and engineering and government customers in over 140 countries. Apple's home page on the World Wide Web: http://www.apple.com/ Netscape Communications Corporation is a premier provider of open software to link people and information over enterprise networks and the Internet. The company offers a full line of clients, servers, development tools and Netscape Commercial Applications to create a complete platform for next-generation, live online applications. Traded on NASDAQ under the symbol "NSCP", Netscape Communications Corporation is based in Mountain View, California. Additional information on Netscape Communications Corporation is available on the Internet at http://home.netscape.com or by sending email to info@netscape.com. Adobe, Postscript, and Acrobat are trademarks of Adobe Systems Incorporated. Netscape Communications, Netscape and Netscape Navigator are trademarks of Netscape Communications Corporation. Apple, the Apple logo, TrueType, and Macintosh are registered trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc. All other brand names mentioned are registered trademarks or trademarks of their respective holders, and are hereby acknowledged. ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com/ ---<<#>>--- 27-Feb-1996 19:53:11-GMT,2140;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13497 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10406; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:49:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA10317 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:45:30 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 14:30:41 PST Message-Id: <9601278254.AA825446424@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: bezonian@deltanet.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Amber question Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Dave: Netscape 2.0 allows you to download the file to disk easily, just hold the mouse button down over the link instead of clicking it. A popup will appear with Save options. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Amber question From: bezonian@deltanet.com at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/27/96 12:47 AM Hello all. I can't remember if I've signed in on this list, so I'll do that first. My name is Dave Dugan and I'm team director at Bezonian Design Works in Tustin, California. We've turned 90% of our efforts to Internet publishing, and Acrobat is a big part of our day to day operations. I can't wait to use Amber to its full advantages, especially with today's press release about Adobe, Apple & Netscape joining forces to bring better typefaces to the WWW, which brings me to my question. Now that I've loaded the Amber alpha plug-in into my Netscape 2.0 release, is there any way to download PDFs to my drive anymore, or will they only open into Netscape now? Do I have to remove the plug-in from my Netscape folder? I am, of course, on a Macintosh, if that helps. And thank you in advance for any suggestions. David P. Dugan Bezonian Design Works Tustin, California bezonian@deltanet.com "I asked for God to give me her love, but upon seeing her He wanted it for Himself." 28-Feb-1996 19:25:07-GMT,1231;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28049 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17175; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:15:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16996 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:10:54 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 14:30:41 PST Message-Id: <9601278254.AA825446424@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: bezonian@deltanet.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Amber question X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com ----- Message body suppressed ----- --NAA18993.825456806/dns1.noc.best.net-- ** NOTICE **: A mailer error at BEST caused this ** message to get messed up. 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BEST apologizes for the inconvenience. 28-Feb-1996 19:25:13-GMT,2026;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28048 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17356; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:18:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16979 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:10:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:05:17 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pns@Cs.Nott.AC.UK CC: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com, CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <960228120517.21e100ba@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Second UK source for Ambr32a1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Having committed such a faux pas yesterday by wrongly accusing Adobe of releasing an incomplete second version of Amber for Windows'95/NT, perhaps I can partially compensate for my error by offering a second UK source for the package: as well as Phil Smith's copy at Nottingham, it can now by found at ftp://vms.rhbnc.ac.uk/ambr32a1.exe But whilst there is no excuse for my premature tirade yesterday, it does seem that the present method of distributing and installing Amber leaves much to be desired: surely software engineering has by now advanced to the stage where a self-installing binary should carry out sanity checks before commencing installation? As it is, the distributed version of Amber appears unable to detect that it has been corrupted in transmission (the UK mirror copy is about 4K short), and just goes ahead blindly. If self-checking is impossible for reasons of self-reference, then might it not be better to distribute Amber (and all similar products) as industry-standard ZIP files, and take advantage of (PK)UNZIP to detect errors in the ZIPfile? Philip Taylor, University of London. 28-Feb-1996 19:31:14-GMT,1306;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28129 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:30:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17259; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:17:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16989 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:10:46 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:26:51 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Forcing Fonts in Capture Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <8C1B764671@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Is it possible to force Capture to use only a select few fonts: ie. instead of Times, Palatino? ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 28-Feb-1996 19:35:02-GMT,3956;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28183 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:34:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17469; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:21:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA17032 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:11:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:36:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199602272036.MAA08983@dns2.noc.best.net> X-Sender: paknad@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Deidre Paknad Subject: Mixed messages and Capture capabilities Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Deidre Paknad In response to Glenn Gernert's message ..... >I want to jump in on this thread one more time as I am somewhat concerned as >to the mixed message we sent Mr Wurtz. I advised against the proposed >project while others advocated a full speed ahead approach. > >As always, feel free to contradict as what follows is opinion only. >[long discussion of Capture technical and mechanical issues removed] As the "other" in question, I feel compelled to respond... to the listening public, I apologize for the intrusion on your mailboxes! I assume (rightly, I hope) this is a forum for opinion, concerns, questions, and commentary. As such, we need not all be of the same opinion on any single topic; "mixed messages" are a hazard of asking questions in this forum! I appreciate your haste to defend your original response as Emerge is heavily in the business of pushing Acrobat products and conversion services. Perhaps the crux of our disagreement is that I was talking a bit more philosophically and you were more focused on the mechanics. While we both agree that we like fruit, I may be talking about apples while you are talking about oranges. I think for most people who sit at desks during the day, the availability and cost of information continues to be a major concern each and every day. I attempted in my message to draw some comparison between the actual choices people have for information distribution. My intent in so doing was to push us past the all-too-common dialog about the imperfections of technology. Life, technology, business, and philosophy are all continuous processes, and everything is relevent. In today's business climate, changes are made on incentives far less than a 100% improvement. A 10% increase in productivity or decrease in costs is a real gain. As we advise our clients, EVERYTHING may not be necessary; SOME probably is... in other words, develop a strategy to stratify information and tackle the critical or highest value. A 50,000 page catalog seems a little odd to me. After all, does one really print a 50K page catalog??? How would one carry such a thing?! More likely, it is a collection of information. Take a rational approach and parse the content; move forward in increments that benefit your business and your customers' businesses. Acrobat and Capture offer the best method today and the best partner for tomorrow. Not having seen Todd's project yet, I obviously can't "quote" the business; I simply expressed a philosophy or attitude about moving from where we are in terms of information sharing to another, better place. The stock market, price of a Netscape share, and every s/w company on the west coast is speculative on the same bet: the distribution of information will take place on the web. Plan for that in your business today; build a strategy on it for the future. "Full speed ahead" to tomorrow. Nothing new or unique in my rhetoric... just advocating the vehicle. Regards, Deidre Paknad Glyphica Solutions 415/493-0620 paknad@glyphica.com 28-Feb-1996 19:36:17-GMT,1416;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28197 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17300; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:17:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA17031 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:11:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:08:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Bowman@admin.njit.edu (Bill Bowman) Subject: Amber for mac Question Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bowman@admin.njit.edu (Bill Bowman) Hello All: I installed the alpha release of Amber for the Mac today, but when I tried to open up one of the sample documents listed on the Adobe Amber page, I was given a message that said, essentially, that the "autoindex plug-in" could not be initialized. Then my machine just froze. After rebooting, I searched for this plug-in, but could not find it. I also can't find any mention of it in the Adobe Amber information (FAQ, etc.) Does anyone know what's going on? Thanks, Bill Bowman Electronic Publishing Project Manager New Jersey Institute of Technology Bowman@admin.njit.edu 28-Feb-1996 19:39:51-GMT,3980;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28234 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:39:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17675; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:26:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16982 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:10:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199602281050.EAA66776@glacier.binc.net> To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com, mbuhr@mv.us.adobe.com, CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Unable to confirm address in preceding line at pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK Subject: Amber works! Hooray! In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 27 Feb 96 17:30:35 +0000. <960227173035.21e48a51@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 10:35:07 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith In your message of Tue, 27 Feb 96 17:30:35 +0000 you said: >Phil Smith has kindly pointed out that the UK >copy of Ambr32a1 is about 4K bytes shorter than the US reference copy, >a fact which I should have noticed before sounding off at Adobe. >I therefore apologise most sincerely to Adobe for suggesting that >their quality control procedures had failed them on this occasion: >I have no evidence of this, and unless and until I can download >a copy from the US reference site, I have no way of determining >whether or not it is defective. >Philip Taylor, University of London. >[I would also point out that all copies of Ambr32a1 which Ftpsearch.Unit.No > is able to locate are also about 4k short; readers should therefore avoid > all such copies. It would, of course, be a great service to those of us > separated from the US reference site by several thousand miles and a badly > overloaded piece of wet string if Adobe would create a European reference > site on which we could reply.] I managed to download the complete AMBER32A1.EXE from Adobe last night and everything installs perfectly. At first I thought it hadn't worked, but that was because it had put the Netscape plugin in a version of Netscape I'd forgotten I had! In fact, to its credit, the installer found this (the latest) version of Netscape even though it was installed in a non-standard directory. I've made the file publically available via my home page at http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ but this might have to go if our server grinds to a halt. I couldn't agree more about the need for an official European mirror of the Adobe site. I was very lucky to get the file last night at a staggering 800 bytes per second. Listen up, over there! Averaging 800 bytes per second across the Atlantic really is about the best you can hope for. It makes downloading Adobe's pretty web pages a real pain, and any worthwhile files virually impossible. There must be thousands of people in the half of the world outside California who never sample the "Acrobat Experience" simply because they can't download anything from mv.us.adobe.com. I've been playing around with PDF for years, and Amber for months, and I've never yet managed to download one of the sample Amber optimised test files. I got a few pages on Sunday, but that's the best I've ever managed. There is an Adobe UK. There is an Adobe Europe. They don't use quill pens and parchment any more (apart from the sales department). We have a good network; I downloaded the duff version of Amber from Imperial College at over 150KBytes/sec. Let us have a mirror site! Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 28-Feb-1996 21:40:14-GMT,2816;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29972 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA19116; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:08:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA19033 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:03:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:18:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Theresa Norton From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: preserving 2-page spreads Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) >I hope you don't mind another question on this topic. I saw your >response to the preserving 2-page spread question via the PDF-L. > ><< >Using PageMaker, the Make booklet plug-in is a fairly simple way of >converting your documents to two page spreads prior to distilling them. ><< > >I face the same challenge, so I tried to follow your advice. For some odd >reason, when we view the file in Acrobat Reader, the pages are shifted >and cut-off (but they are two-page spreads!). Do you have any idea >why? Thanks. > >Theresa Norton >theresan@wpo.jhpiego.org >JHPIEGO/A Johns Hopkins Program for International Education in >Reproductive Health Theresa, This sounds like a page sizing problem in the PDF creation process, usually arising from improper print dialog settings. Some things to check for: If you are using the distiller, are you using the Acrobat PPD? Make sure you choose the correct paper size for the document after it's been made into a booklet (ie. tabloid rather than letter). Make sure you do not have "printers marks" or "page information" chosen in the "Paper" portion of the print dialog, as these require larger print areas and will force your document off the selected page if you don't have "center page in print area" chosen. I'd recommend turning all three settings off when generating PDFs. If you are using the PDFWriter, make sure your page size is specified correctly for the new booklet sized pages. Hope this helps. -Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Creative Director, Electronic and Print Media http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- User Services, USC Computing Services / USCweb Development Team ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Feb-1996 22:48:07-GMT,3345;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00893 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA19996; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:12:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA19954 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:08:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 22:07 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-26-96 [V1 #173] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199602270550.XAA05422@grandcanyon.binc.net> In the last PDF-DIGEST, Glenn Gernert wrote (and I paraphrase the following) <> Glenn, I agree with you wholeheartedly on this subject. When we were originally part of the Green Giant beta programme here in the UK, we tried (somewhat unsuccessfully) to get Adobe to licence Capture through a specific, highly trained channel. Capture is a brilliant piece of technology which I love to demonstrate (and sell). However, if not fully understood, people can waste money and get a little annoyed at the ones who sold them the product. Therefore, if people are interested in the product - buy it from people who know the product intimately, and who can support the product (independant of Adobe). I'm sure regular users of "the Digest" will know who they are. Regards Peter Mathews Computerstream, Manchester, UK pmathews@computerstream.co.uk ps: Thanks to all of you who responded to my note on "Text Link Coloriser" api. We are going through a de-bug phase, and hope to have a product real soon. I shall contact those who are interested by email. 28-Feb-1996 23:13:25-GMT,1077;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01292 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:13:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17024; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:11:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16679 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:04:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199602281621.KAA15433@mailhost.onramp.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Glenner" To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:21:41 +0000 Subject: How to set to NOMAIL Reply-to: rtglennr@onramp.net Priority: urgent X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Richard Glenner" Can anyone tell me what the commands are to set NOMAIL for a period of time for the PDF_L list and digest. TIA, Richard Glenner rtglennr@onramp.net 28-Feb-1996 23:15:49-GMT,1274;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01332 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA20513; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:00:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA20464 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:58:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:57:37 -0800 From: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Message-Id: <199602282257.OAA04431@engel.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, Bowman@admin.njit.edu Subject: Re: Amber for mac Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: tLMBshAEVeDQRunm6C9pGw== Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Bill, Find the autoindex.api file in the plugins folder and move it to the optional folder (or somewhere else). It's not part of the MacAmber release and was apparently left around from something else. This is why it's not mentioned in the release information-- the only plugins to be installed with MacAmber are weblink and ewh. Mark 28-Feb-1996 23:33:27-GMT,1589;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01571 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:33:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17033; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:11:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16698 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:04:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:32:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199602281332.IAA27111@atlas.odyssee.net> X-Sender: chenette@mail.odyssee.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: chenette@odyssee.net (Benoit Chenette) Subject: Forms Plug-In developper follow-up Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chenette@odyssee.net (Benoit Chenette) Hello to all, Recently, I posted a query for developpers for a "form" plug-in. I have received a couple of responses and some users showing interest for this potential plug-in. Unfortunately, I deleted a message I received very recently from UK. Would that person resubmit its message to me please. Things have been hectic recently but we should see some real action on this item in the next few weeks. I will keep the list posted Benoit Chenette Senior Consultant, Document Technology E-mail: chenette@odyssee.net 90 des Pins avenue St-Luc(Quebec) Canada H2M 2P2 phone: (514) 349-8060 "We prefer to receive all documentation electronically, in PDF format" 28-Feb-1996 23:51:41-GMT,1707;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01732 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:51:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17028; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:11:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16685 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:04:23 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 16:49 GMT+0200 X-Sender: tosolini@bcs-pop.iafrica.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: tosolini@lib.siu.edu (Paolo Tosolini, Italy) Subject: Non-HTML version of the Toolbook User's Web now available Cc: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: tosolini@lib.siu.edu (Paolo Tosolini, Italy) I'm pleased to announce that a Non-HTML version of the Toolbook User's Web is now available. The goal of this experimental site is finding new ways to publish effective and eye catching documents on the Web using Adobe Acrobat. The site is accessible at the following addresses: The Non-HTML Toolbook User's Web http://www.lib.siu.edu/tbkwww/tbkwww.html USA site http://www.intec.edu.za/tbkwww/ South Africa mirror I welcome as usual your comments pt -- Paolo Tosolini - tosolini@lib.siu.edu - tel. +39-360-877243 -- Visiting Researcher, Instructional Services, Library Affairs -- Southern Illinois University at Carbondale - Illinois, 62901 -- Personal WWW Home Page: http://www.lib.siu.edu/tosolini/ 29-Feb-1996 1:15:19-GMT,1842;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA02549 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA21781; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:58:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA21699 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:47:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:46:39 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) Subject: Troubleshooting Mac->Unix pdx Problem Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Matthew J. Conlon) I just made an index of a set of pdf files on my Mac. The same pdf's are set up in an identical directory structure (as far as I know) on a Unix box elsewhere, but we can't get the search to work on that index. The directory hierarchy and relative location of all components should be the same on both machines, and the files are the same, but it's not working. Arrgghh!!! Can someone suggest an ordered list of likely troubleshooting areas I can investigate, or know of any possible problems that arise in doing this? Thanks Matt ============================================================================== Matt Conlon Taunton, Massachusetts, USA conlonm@gtec3.ndhm.gtegsc.com Systems Support Analyst GTE Communications Systems Division GTE Government Systems Corporation "Views expressed here are not to be taken as representative of my employer's." ============================================================================ == 29-Feb-1996 8:44:44-GMT,2270;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA06084 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 01:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA25001; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 02:40:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA24968 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 02:36:30 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:25:26 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brailsford X-Sender: dfb@quiver To: Mark Czajka cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Forcing Fonts in Capture In-Reply-To: <8C1B764671@agsadmin.ags.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David Brailsford On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Mark Czajka wrote: > Is it possible to force Capture to use only a select > few fonts: ie. instead of Times, Palatino? As far as I know this isn't yet possible in Capture but it's one of the things we at Nottingham have requested very strongly for some future release of Capture. We have a large corpus of material that we *know* was typeset using the Monotype Imprint typeface. We have this typeface family installed under ATM and we'd dearly like to be able to say "use this font family throughout the document wherever you need standard seriffed fonts". At the moment it's necessary to go through the material on the page a block at a time and to convert it to Imprint by hand. This being said there are some very good reasons why Capture uses Times, Bookman Schoolbook etc. -- not only are these faces in the standard "Adobe 35" that you get on Laserwriters they are also the shapes on which Capture's recognition algorithms have been "trained". David B. ----------------------------------------------------------- David F. Brailsford Dept. of Computer Science e-mail: dfb@cs.nott.ac.uk University of Nottingham Tel: +44 (0)115 951 4251 NOTTINGHAM NG7 2RD, Fax: +44 (0)115 951 4254 UK. ----------------------------------------------------------- 29-Feb-1996 15:39:19-GMT,1473;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08411 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26794; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:35:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA26743 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:32:30 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 09:04:48 CST From: CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil Message-Id: <9601298256.AA825613533@clsmtp.redstone.army.mil> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: File Size Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil We are about to start a new project using the Adobe products Capture and Exchange. We are going to be saving each page as an individual pdf image file. The reason for the individual files is that we are going to be using the Document Info fields for search capabilities. The problem we foresee that might occur is that we do not know how many files that can be safely saved under one directory or its subdirectories. We are looking at about 6,000 files. Has anyone else taken on a project such as this or might be able to give us any insight? Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Thank You Cassandra 29-Feb-1996 16:56:55-GMT,2370;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09404 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:56:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA27191; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:51:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA27146 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:49:11 -0600 Message-ID: <31360391.452D@cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:50:41 -0800 From: "Michael A. Friedman" Reply-To: maf3@cornell.edu Organization: Albert R. Mann Library X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com CC: Bill Garrison , Howard Raskin , Jeff Diver Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-28-96 [V1 #175] References: <199602290550.XAA23663@grandcanyon.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Michael A. Friedman" Hi there, It's me again with more Capture horror stories!! We just recently reformatted the whole 850MB drive on our HP Vectra. We then loaded Windows95, and all the Adobe stuff. That's about all that is on the darn machine. Scanning yesterday I got a message that said, "Insufficient room on drive C for temporary file, job cancelled." It was an Adobe PDFWriter Error. No PDF was created bt the ACD was so I opened that and tried to save ti as a PDF, got the same error. Fine, I copied the same 12 files into the IN folder and tried just processing the files, got the same error message. I went home at that point in time. Today we started scanning again and got the ole, "an illegal operation has occurred. My question is: "Are there really people out there using Capture 1.1 on Windows95 and does it really work??" I will also contact Adobe and see what they have to say. thanks for letting me rant and rave. I need to scan 40,000 pages in the next 6 months and the way it is going now I am not sure that will be enough time!!! michael -- Michael A. Friedman Full Text Specialist Albert R. Mann Library Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 607-255-5680 maf3@cornell.edu 29-Feb-1996 17:24:44-GMT,3232;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09791 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:24:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA27375; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:17:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA27348 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:15:56 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960229171433.008eecb0@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:14:33 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: File Size Cc: CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert > We are about to start a new project using the Adobe products Capture > and Exchange. We are going to be saving each page as an individual > pdf image file. The reason for the individual files is that we are > going to be using the Document Info fields for search capabilities. > > The problem we foresee that might occur is that we do not know how > many files that can be safely saved under one directory or its > subdirectories. We are looking at about 6,000 files. > > Has anyone else taken on a project such as this or might be able to > give us any insight? I ran into a similar situation before XMAS on a large Capture project we were working on....not with the PDF files but with all the TIFFs, ACIs ACDs etc that began to pile up in certain directories on our NT server. I found in Windows (3.1 and NT) that things began to fall apart at around 2600 files. Beyond that point FileManager (atleast) could not handle the numbers. When trying to view a directory with FileManager an error message would pop up stating something to the effect that there were more files in the directory than could be viewed. BUT....nothing was lost. Files were still there....I could still access them....but I could no longer see the bottom of the list with FileManager. Ultimately I slid a few hundred files into a new directory and everything was happy again. That's my experience with it....surely not the complete story...but a start anyway. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 29-Feb-1996 18:49:10-GMT,4161;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10838 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27994; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:43:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA27956 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:42:06 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960229184032.008fef90@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:40:32 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-28-96 [V1 #175] Cc: maf3@cornell.edu Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert ....stuff deleted >My question is: "Are there really people out there using Capture 1.1 on >Windows95 and does it really work??" Yes....at Emerge there are days when we have several Win95 Pentiums running around the clock. Moving Capture 1.01 to boxes running Win95 has solved far more problems than were created when compared to running Capture 1.0 under Win 3.1 >I will also contact Adobe and see what they have to say. > >I need to scan 40,000 pages in the next 6 months and the way it is going >now I am not sure that will be enough time!!! See the below from the Capture 1.01 ReadMe. This may be part of the key as to why you are having trouble....though this sounds as though it may address 'scanning' problems rather than Capture processing problems. Still....something you might want to investigate For HP Vectra systems to work properly when scanning with Acrobat Capture the system BIOS must be release 5.5 or greater and the onboard SCSI interface must be 2.0 or greater. Both these updates are available from the HP BBS. The other thing that comes to mind is the PDF-Writer print driver. The rev of PDF-Writer that comes with Capture is slightly different than the one that ships with Exchange. If you installed Capture first and Acrobat Exchange next, you may have overwritten the PDF-Writer drivers that were specifically 'tuned' for Capture. You should be using PDF-Writer version 2.01. You can check this by: #1. Going to Control Panel #2. Double Click PRINTERS #3. Left Click the PDF-Writer Icon #4. Click Properties #5. Click Details #6. Click Setup It should say "Acrobat PDF-Writer 2.01 at the top left. If not, reinstall PDF-Writer from the Capture install disks. You can do this without reinstalling all Capture software. One other thought. How is your swap space allocated in Win 95? In Win 3.1 you had to set up a permanent swap file. Win95 will automatically handle swap space for you and I have found this to work well. To check this out: #1. Open Control Panel #2. Double Click SYSTEM #3. Click Performance #4. Click Virtual Memory #5. The 'Let Windows manage my virtual memory settings' radio button should be ON. If for some reason you want to set up your own permanent swap....I would recommend at least 30 to 40 MB. The best option, however, is to let Windows handle. Hope a couple of these ideas might get you out of the woods. Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 29-Feb-1996 19:16:20-GMT,1467;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11338 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27905; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:38:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA27867 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:33:59 -0600 Message-Id: Date: 28 Feb 1996 11:57:02 U From: "Dedrick Howard" Subject: nice shortcut... To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Dedrick Howard" Subject: nice shortcut... Forgive my zeal, but I must share A shortcut I didn't know was there: For one-shot PDFWriter use, hold down the Control key when you select = Print from the File menu. PDFWriter kicks in for that one print job. = Saves your having to (on Macs) select Chooser to select PDFWriter before = you print--after which you usually go back to Chooser and deselect = PDFWriter in favor of your hardcopy printer. (I suspect there's equivalent relief in Windows.) That's it. Please excuse if it's old news. 29-Feb-1996 23:03:36-GMT,1007;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14368 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29447; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:55:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA29359 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:51:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199602292251.QAA65848@glacier.binc.net> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 17:45:32 -0500 From: Peter Crimmin To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: FrameMaker PS / Distiller Error Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Peter Crimmin I'm also getting a PS error when distilling a postscript file created by FM5. The only change to my environment is the upgrade to Windows95. Anyone have advice? Windows95 Framemaker 5.0 Distiller 2.1 Error is: Offending Command: @PJL peter 29-Feb-1996 23:36:45-GMT,4585;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14900 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:35:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29105; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:18:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA29018 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:01:05 -0600 From: chunt@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 13:54:27 PST Message-Id: <9601298256.AA825630868@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, Glenn Gernert Cc: maf3@cornell.edu Subject: Re[2]: PDF-DIGEST for February-28-96 [V1 #175] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chunt@mv.us.adobe.com Glenn's suggestion re the PDFWriter installation is correct. If you have installed Acrobat Exchange 2.1 after Capture you will get an earlier version of PDFWriter that produces that error msg. Just re-install PDFWriter from the Capture media and the problem should go away. Chris Hunt Adobe Systems ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for February-28-96 [V1 #175] Author: Glenn Gernert at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/29/96 11:43 AM ....stuff deleted >My question is: "Are there really people out there using Capture 1.1 on >Windows95 and does it really work??" Yes....at Emerge there are days when we have several Win95 Pentiums running around the clock. Moving Capture 1.01 to boxes running Win95 has solved far more problems than were created when compared to running Capture 1.0 under Win 3.1 >I will also contact Adobe and see what they have to say. > >I need to scan 40,000 pages in the next 6 months and the way it is going >now I am not sure that will be enough time!!! See the below from the Capture 1.01 ReadMe. This may be part of the key as to why you are having trouble....though this sounds as though it may address 'scanning' problems rather than Capture processing problems. Still....something you might want to investigate For HP Vectra systems to work properly when scanning with Acrobat Capture the system BIOS must be release 5.5 or greater and the onboard SCSI interface must be 2.0 or greater. Both these updates are available from the HP BBS. The other thing that comes to mind is the PDF-Writer print driver. The rev of PDF-Writer that comes with Capture is slightly different than the one that ships with Exchange. If you installed Capture first and Acrobat Exchange next, you may have overwritten the PDF-Writer drivers that were specifically 'tuned' for Capture. You should be using PDF-Writer version 2.01. You can check this by: #1. Going to Control Panel #2. Double Click PRINTERS #3. Left Click the PDF-Writer Icon #4. Click Properties #5. Click Details #6. Click Setup It should say "Acrobat PDF-Writer 2.01 at the top left. If not, reinstall PDF-Writer from the Capture install disks. You can do this without reinstalling all Capture software. One other thought. How is your swap space allocated in Win 95? In Win 3.1 you had to set up a permanent swap file. Win95 will automatically handle swap space for you and I have found this to work well. To check this out: #1. Open Control Panel #2. Double Click SYSTEM #3. Click Performance #4. Click Virtual Memory #5. The 'Let Windows manage my virtual memory settings' radio button should be ON. If for some reason you want to set up your own permanent swap....I would recommend at least 30 to 40 MB. The best option, however, is to let Windows handle. Hope a couple of these ideas might get you out of the woods. Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 1-Mar-1996 0:15:55-GMT,2160;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15249 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:15:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29958; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:54:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA29910 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:51:06 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 18:51:05 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Splitting a PostScript file Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Is anyone aware of a utility to break up a PS file into individual PS page files, or EPS files? We want to break up a directory into separate company files, and our front end does not have an automated process. By the way, if anyone is interested in doing this on the desktop, there is a Quark extension called PageShot that will print a multipage document into individual eps files named with an incremented number ie. FILE001.EPS, FILE002.EPS ... These files can then be distilled! Now all we need is someone to develop a way to apply data from the pages to the document fields in Acrobat, for each one of these files. It would seem to me that Adobe could develop a nifty way for people to use PageMaker, output individual pages as PDF files, and attach each file with field info from each of the pages. Do I smell a nice option for distributing directories on CD or what? Although this can be done today, the community needs easier ways to do this! ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 1-Mar-1996 3:10:48-GMT,1344;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23092 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:10:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA31588; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:58:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA31546 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:52:43 -0600 From: dhancock@arinc.com Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:50:31 -0500 To: Peter Crimmin , pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker PS / Distiller Error Message-Id: <96Feb29.215103est.30757-2@interlock.arinc.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dhancock@arinc.com > I'm also getting a PS error when distilling a postscript file created > by FM5. The only change to my environment is the upgrade to > Windows95. Anyone have advice? > > Windows95 Framemaker 5.0 Distiller 2.1 > > Error is: > Offending Command: @PJL This sounds like you may be printing to a Laserjet III Si or other printer that switches modes from PostScript to PCL and back. Try selecting a "plainer" PostScript printer (such as an Apple Laserwriter), print to a PostScript file, and try distilling again. Good luck! David Hancock | dhancock@arinc.com 1-Mar-1996 4:37:14-GMT,2794;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA27221 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:37:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA32175; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:29:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA32140 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:26:23 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 22:21:17 PST From: Bill Behr Subject: Create PDF from w/in PM6 To: Emerge PDF Discussion Group X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bill Behr I have had a number of conversations with Adobe Tech support and they have so far been uncertain how to solve my problem. They have not been certain whether this is a PageMaker 6.0-Win 3.1 problem or an Acrobat compatibility problem. Forgive me if you feel this is a PageMaker problem and therefore shouldn't be posted to this list. If you have also had this problem, I would really appreciate hearing from you--especially if you were able to correct the problem! :) One of the big feature enhancements Adobe has touted with PM6 is its ability to create PDF's directly from within PM6. You simply select File...Create PDF. PM6 then proceeds to create a ps file and launch Distiller and create a great looking (and compact file size) PDF. When I first installed PM6 this feature worked fine. Now after a month or two of use, I am getting the following message right before PM6 launches Distiller. >>Encryptor can't open the postscript file<< Everything seems to work fine in the creation of the ps file and then when it is about to launch Distiller is when I am getting this message. I am able to create a postscript file manually and Distill it separately but not directly from within PM6. Adobe folks say they have encountered this problem before with PM6 and don't know if it is a compatibility problem with Acrobat, or a specific problem with PM6 or Acrobat. If you have any ideas on this problem, I would greatly appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance. Bill ----------------------------------------------- From: William G. Behr, Senior Associate CB Commercial Real Estate Group, Inc. Fort Worth/Dallas, Texas (817) 861-7711 E-mail: wgbehr@onramp.net WWW: http://rampages.onramp.net/~wgbehr/ Date: 02/29/96 Time: 22:21:17 Central Time This message was sent by Chameleon ----------------------------------------------- 1-Mar-1996 13:47:19-GMT,1630;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA00998 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 06:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA02335; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:31:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA02302 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:28:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199603011327.AA06671@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:59:57 -0800 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Subject: Optimized PDFs for Amber? To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Well, I finally FTPed a copy of of Amber. In checking out the README file, I saw this. Best viewing performance over the web comes from optimized PDF files... What are optimized files and how do I create them? +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Ideas withheld or repressed are automatically imbued - Jeff Heiskell with a false sense of mystery and intrigue." The JudyBats 1-Mar-1996 13:49:35-GMT,1447;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA01005 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 06:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA02395; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:33:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA02353 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:31:42 -0600 Message-ID: <6C98FE2F01D40200@smtp.barrsys.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 96 8:17:00 -0500 From: Craig Lee Organization: Barr Systems, Inc. To: mczajka@agsadmin.ags.com (mail@smtp{mczajka@agsadmin.ags.com}), pdf-l@emrg.com (mail@smtp{pdf-l@emrg.com}) Subject: Re: Splitting a PostScript file X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Craig Lee Mark Czajka wrote: >Is anyone aware of a utility to break up a PS file >into individual PS page files, or EPS files? Transverter Pro from TechPool Software ought to do this trick. E-mail them at info@techpool.com or check out their web site at http://www.techpool.com. I just checked and there's even an eval copy there. I have no connection with TechPool other than that of being a very satisfied customer. Craig Lee Publications Editor at Barr Systems in Gainesville, FL Webmaster of http://www.barrsys.com 1-Mar-1996 14:47:26-GMT,2057;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA01337 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:47:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA02641; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:53:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA02609 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:50:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199603011350.AA09581@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:49:04 -0800 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Subject: Amber vs. HTML? To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Well, I finally got Amber loaded and working.....FANTASTIC! Now, some questions.... A while ago there was some discussion on the list about download times PDF vs. HTML. I tried to look through the archives but couldn't find anything. Does anyone remember what I'm talking about? Is there a more recent comparison of HTML display times vs. Amber? Also, now that PDFs can be displayed 1 page at a time, is anyone planning to create Web pages entirely from PDFs? I posed this question to the list several months ago, and most of the responses seemed to be, "We'll wait and see how good Amber is." Well, is this a truly viable solution to overcome HTML's shortcomings? +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Ideas withheld or repressed are automatically imbued - Jeff Heiskell with a false sense of mystery and intrigue." The JudyBats 1-Mar-1996 15:33:35-GMT,1753;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01929 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:33:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03358; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:01:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA03298 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:57:45 -0600 From: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Date: Fri, 01 Mar 96 08:55:55 CDT Message-Id: <9602018256.AA825699439@odp.tamu.edu> To: peter@vis.com, pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Subject: printing with Framemaker 5 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Peter, I've had similar problems in Framemaker 5 with Windows 95. I always use the Distiller or PDF writer when I write files. File/print setup and choose either the Acrobat Distiller or Acrobat PDF writer for your printer. The Distiller makes the file smaller; that may be important to you. I found that I could not print to my Lino 230 because I was printing a file with color (and the Lino, mine anyway, doesn't run color). Also, my Lino drivers are so old that I assume they don't work well with Acrobat files because Acrobat came along after the drivers were written. After you've chosen the right printer, be sure to use GENERATE ACROBAT DATA in the print dialogue box. This may be in there just to translate tags to bookmarks, but it seems to make the files work better. Jennifer Pattison Hall Chief Production Editor Ocean Drilling Program 1-Mar-1996 18:08:53-GMT,4118;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03765 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:08:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA04371; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:01:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA04309 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:58:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:16:04 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brailsford X-Sender: dfb@quiver To: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com cc: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Optimized PDFs for Amber? In-Reply-To: <199603011327.AA06671@hoover.gilbarco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David Brailsford On Thu, 29 Feb 1996 rick_sapir@gilbarco.com wrote: > Well, I finally FTPed a copy of of Amber. In checking out the > README file, I saw this. > > Best viewing performance over the web comes from > optimized PDF files... > > What are optimized files and how do I create them? > > As far as I know the optimiser is an experimental piece of software developed at Mountain View. I don't think it has been released in alpha or beta form as yet. The basic dilemma is this: HTML works fine for relatively small files and has the great advantage of being in "page order". Display PostScript, and any PostScript going to a printer, will also, typically, be in page order -- which is fine for printing out pages in order but is less wonderful when a Display PostScript interpreter suddenly gets a request to "go to page 80" and has to go linearly searching through megabytes of PostScript to find out where page 80 starts. For all of these reasons most of PDF's innate structure has been designed by some very good computer scientists at MV, to allow for fast page access and browsing, given that all the file is present. The reason for needing all of the file is that the balanced tree structure which gives this fast page access is implemented via the cross-reference table at the *end* of the pdf file. This table uses indirect references and byte offsets to say whereabouts all the imageable material for a given page is really located in the file. There is no need for the material to be in "page order" -- the byte pointers in xref will take care of everything. Indeed this arbitrary ordering makes it easier to update the xref table and to add/delete pages etc. Unfortunately, if you are serving files up across a (relatively slow) WWW it really does help to have the PDF file arranged in page order -- and *not* to have to dart around the tree structure picking up all the components of page 3 (say) from here there and everywhere. Moreover, there may be some shared resources (e.g exotic fonts) that could be downloaded as a priority while the human browser is gazing in wonderment at the sheer quality of fonts on page 1 of his/her Amber-downloaded PDF. You might have embedded "Acme Dingbats" (all 7 Mbytes of them, say) used on only 3 pages of an 80 page doct. but if the optimiser has determined that they are used for the *first* time on page 2 of the doct. then it's a darned good idea to be sneakily downloading them so that they're ready when aforesaid human browser moves from page 1 to page 2. I think these are the sort of things the optimiser does but I'm open to correction if I have gained the wrong impression. Certainly Phil Smith tells me that optimised PDFs downloaded from the MV server under Amber perform markedly better than non-optimised ones. David B. ----------------------------------------------------------- David F. Brailsford Dept. of Computer Science e-mail: dfb@cs.nott.ac.uk University of Nottingham Tel: +44 (0)115 951 4251 NOTTINGHAM NG7 2RD, Fax: +44 (0)115 951 4254 UK. ----------------------------------------------------------- 1-Mar-1996 20:15:37-GMT,3075;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05187 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:15:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05181; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:08:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05097 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:54:43 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:05:54 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) Subject: Mac Distilling vs. Mac PDFWriter and then some Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) OK, I've been lurking on this site for some time, tossing out the occassional comment. I have my first question. I'm converting Quark XPress 3.3.1 newsletters to pdfs so that I can upload them to our website. I've tried both PDFWriter as well as printing to postscript, then distilling with Distiller 2.1 Mac. I get radically different files sizes, 1.5MB for the PDFWriter vs. 400K for Distillation. I am guessing this is a matter of including the fonts, but I am not certain. Of course, as I expected from my reading on this group, image rendering and the accompanying rates of screen redraw are different between the two methods. To test the appearance of the two types when the fonts I used were not loaded, I turned them off in Suitcase. The PDFWriter version was unchanged. Type looks good at X 100-400. The distilled version opened the first time with a sans replacement for my serif typeface (Adobe Garamond), and the difference was obvious. Oddly, though, when I closed the file and re-opened it, it came up looking like I had A. Garamond installed again. So, my questions to the pros out there are: 1. What method do you suggest? 2. How can I hold down file size and ensure that people on other PCs will see the newsletter as it looks in print? I can believe I need to have 1.5 - 2 meg files. 3. Any idea why the phenomenon described inmy last sentence above occurred? A BIG thanks to any and all with ideas. Dean Norton +----------------------------------------------------+ | | | AGRICULTURAL BIOTECHNOLOGY | | FOR SUSTAINABLE PRODUCTIVITY | | ABSP Project | | Michigan State University | | 414 Plant & Soil Sciences Building | | East Lansing, MI 48824-1325 | | voice: (517) 353-2290 | | FAX: (517) 432-1982 | | | +----------------------------------------------------+ | DEAN P. NORTON e-mail: nortond@isl.msu.edu | +----------------------------------------------------+ 1-Mar-1996 23:14:42-GMT,3976;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07643 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:14:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06136; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:08:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA06110 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:06:23 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:05:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: Mac Distilling vs. Mac PDFWriter and then some Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 8:05 PM 3/1/96, Dean Norton wrote: >1. What method do you suggest? I use the Distiller for EVERYTHING. Basically, if you're doing anything with anything more complex that text and tables, I'd use Distiller. The markedly different file sizes are due, perhaps in a small part to font inclusion (depending on the number of fonts, this can add up), but most likely it's the fact that Distiller can handle conversion of EPS graphics, while PDFWriter simply puts screen bitmaps in their place, which are inherently much larger than their vector counterparts. Also, though Distiller in almost all cases will give you better rendered and compressed PDFs, I'd bet that the drastic size difference can also be attributed to the compression settings your have set in PDFWriter and Distiller. Distiller will do a better job, but you also have to play around with the compression options to get the optimal results for you particular document. >2. How can I hold down file size and ensure that people on other PCs will >see the newsletter as it looks in print? I can believe I need to have 1.5 - >2 meg files. Again, you may have to sacrifice some bitmap image quality to get better compression ratios. Also, not including the fonts will help. If you must include the fonts, Distiller has the option of creating Font subsets, meaning it will only stor the characters used within the documnt rather than the entire character set for a particular font. We've got a newsletter online in PDF with full font inclusion, many eps graphics and a handful of photographs, including a full page cover photo. The latest issue, which was 28 pages came out to be 2.1 Mb. It's a little big for my taste, but I consciously chose not to over compress the images to preserve some extra quality. It's at: http://www.usc.edu/UCS/userserv/Networker/ >3. Any idea why the phenomenon described inmy last sentence above occurred? As I implied above, It shounds like you had had the fonts included in one document and not the other, but you weren't clear on that point. The fonts appearing after you close and open the document seems odd, and might be related to some weird Suitcase anomaly where it wasn't properly shutting off the fonts, or perhaps something to do with Acrobat not realizing that the fonts were not present. I'd guess it was Suitcase weirdness rather than Acrobat. BTW, you can always select File>Document Info>Fonts within Acrobat to see a listing of all the fonts originally used in the document. The list also tells you when Acrobat is using a Multiple Master font for onscreen rendering. Hope this helps. -Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Creative Director, Electronic and Print Media http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- User Services, USC Computing Services / USCweb Development Team ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Mar-1996 2:15:49-GMT,3147;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA23071 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:15:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA17440; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:58:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA17384 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:45:27 -0600 From: mikrichter@interramp.com Date: Sun, 3 Mar 96 17:42:06 PST Subject: FW: RE: Those Darn PDF Files To: pdf-l@emrg.com, Elizabeth Endsley X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mikrichter@interramp.com --- On Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:21:10 -0800 Elizabeth Endsley wrote to me about problems with a PDF file she had received from my site. It was written with Exchange 2.1 on a PC. I can't help due to vast MacIgnorance on my part. Can any of you make a suggestion to her? >Hello Mike, > >Thanks so much for responding. > > >>Are you on a Mac? The latest version of the Windows Reader is 2.1. > >Yes, I'm on a PowerMac 6100/ 24 mg RAM. I recently had a DOS compatibility >card installed with Windows 3.1 - it has 16 mgs RAM. > >>In any event, the Adobe site I point to from the Opera on Video page has the >>latest and greatest readers - and they're all free. If that doesn't solve it, >>I'll ask on a list I subscribe to. > > >I checked, and the current download version for MAC is 2.1 (which I have). >I had a whale of a time trying to download the PDF files at your site. It >kept asking me to reinstall the Acrobat Reader (!), which I had already >downloaded and installed. I tried and tried but couldn't figure out the >glitch, so I "started over" - reinstalled the Reader, downloaded and >installed Netscape 2.0, rebuilt the desktop, assigned more RAM to >everything. Finally I was able to successfully downloaded the PDF files at >your web site. Then a message told me it couldn't find the Reader (o.k. !) >I saved the PDF file and tried to open it with the Acrobat Reader. Then >another message said that I needed Reader Version 3.6 or higher (!!) >Hmmmmmmm. I'm stumped. I'd be willing to get version 3.6 if necessary, >but assume I'll have to purchase it. Maybe other MAC users are experiencing >the same message/glitch ? > >PowerMac, 28.8 Global Village TelePort platinum modem, PPP set-up - does >this help ? > >I really appreciate your help and hope it's not too much trouble for you. >This is one of the few times I wish I had a computer whiz teenager in the >house (!) > > >Thank you again for your time and effort, > >Elizabeth > >eendsley@primenet.com > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- Any computer whiz teenagers in the vast INet house?? Mike ******** Mike Richter mikrichter@interramp.com http://www.webcom.com/mrichter/ ******** 4-Mar-1996 16:20:26-GMT,2353;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28214 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:20:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21298; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:15:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21254 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:11:12 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 10:18:35 -0600 From: Elizabeth Gregory To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: FW: RE: Those Darn PDF Files -Reply Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Elizabeth Gregory I am running Distiller 2.1, Reader 2.1, Exchange 2.0 (I've been waiting 6 weeks for my Exchange upgrade to arrive from Adobe), and Netscape 1.1 and 2.0 on a Mac Centris 610. I'd like to suggest that the error message Elizabeth Endsley reported is requesting _ATM_ 3.6 or higher, not Reader or Exchange 3.6. I got the same message when I was having some trouble with my control panels. I just reinstalled ATM, and everything worked fine. Perhaps correcting this will correct the problem Netscape is having, once the applications can be launched successfully. If not, check the way Netscape is configured to handle PDFs and make sure it's all correct--that it knows where the applications are, etc., and that it is launching the actual application, not the Installer. The vast majority of the PDFs on our site (agcomwww.tamu.edu--follow the print media, publications links) were created on the Mac, but have been successfully downloaded and viewed on a number of different Macs and PCs within our department. The Mac-PC thing has mattered only in terms of filenaming. Hope this helps! (Could someone please forward this to Elizabeth Endsley? For some reason, my e-mail package keeps saying her address in unknown and refuses to send. Thanks!) Elizabeth Gregory Assistant Professor and Extension Communications Specialist Texas Agricultural Extension Service 111C Reed McDonald Building Texas A&M University College Station, Texas 77843-2112 Phone: 409-862-4468 FAX: 409-862-1202 4-Mar-1996 20:42:36-GMT,3800;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02371 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22273; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:31:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA22244 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:27:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:56:41 +1030 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) Subject: Re: FW: RE: Those Darn PDF Files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: htp@dove.mtx.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi) >- --- On Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:21:10 -0800 Elizabeth Endsley > wrote to me about problems with a PDF file she had >received from my site. It was written with Exchange 2.1 on a PC. I can't help >due to vast MacIgnorance on my part. Can any of you make a suggestion to her? ... >>I checked, and the current download version for MAC is 2.1 (which I have). >>I had a whale of a time trying to download the PDF files at your site. It >>kept asking me to reinstall the Acrobat Reader (!), which I had already >>downloaded and installed. I tried and tried but couldn't figure out the >>glitch, so I "started over" - reinstalled the Reader, downloaded and >>installed Netscape 2.0, rebuilt the desktop, assigned more RAM to >>everything. Finally I was able to successfully downloaded the PDF files at >>your web site. Then a message told me it couldn't find the Reader (o.k. !) >>I saved the PDF file and tried to open it with the Acrobat Reader. Then >>another message said that I needed Reader Version 3.6 or higher (!!) >>Hmmmmmmm. I'm stumped. I'd be willing to get version 3.6 if necessary, >>but assume I'll have to purchase it. Maybe other MAC users are experiencing >>the same message/glitch ? I've experienced the "You must reinstall..." message because of moving fonts around - unless the Adobe Sans/Serif MM fonts are in the active font folder, Acrobat Reader will fail to launch and ask for a reinstall. As for version numbers - surely the PC world isn't up to 3.6 already? Maybe this is a confused reference for ATM 3.6? If Elizabeth doesn't have the minimum ATM required it could do all sorts of weird things (though I'm not speaking from experience). As for getting the file intact in the first place - if you are ever given a choice between ftp... and http... versions, always choose ftp (aside: and if anyone ever sets up a site as a web server, do everyone a favour and set up a ftp server as well). Netscape is shocking when it comes to downloading files, so I (and everyone I know) uses Anarchie (or your favourite ftp client) to do the job behind the scenes, with a minimum of fuss and without having to stuff around with memory settings. If you must use Netscape, set Options/General Preferences/Helpers/application/pdf to Acrobat Reader and SAVE (not launch). Start with the above and see how it goes. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Henry Penninkilampi (htp@dove.mtx.net.au) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Join "EvangeList", Guy Kawasaki's (un)official Apple list-server of good| |news about Apple, Macintosh, and third-party developers. To subscribe to| |EvangeList, send an e-mail to: listproc@solutions.apple.com, and include| |in the body of the message the text: Subscribe Macway | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 4-Mar-1996 21:50:18-GMT,2105;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03362 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA22648; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:45:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA22609 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:42:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:41:23 -0500 X-Sender: tmc1@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: tmc1@cornell.edu (Teresa M. Craighead) Subject: Reader questions Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: tmc1@cornell.edu (Teresa M. Craighead) Hello, I'm getting a new Web site ready which will include links to a small library of pdf files--about 40 documents and growing. The pdf documents reside on an ftp server. My audience will include users from the U.S. and Australia. When I set up the page and tell people how to link to these pdf files, I want to be as helpful as possible in terms of telling them how to get and configure a Reader. I'm also wondering, though, if there are things to avoid so that I'm not tripping over myself when Amber becomes available in production form. I'd like to know how other folks are handling distribution of the Reader. Do you: --tell people where to get one and leave them on their own to retrieve it? --give a link to Adobe's site for purposes on downloading a Reader? --keep a Reader at a local site and have people download from there? --give instructions for making the Reader into a Helper Application? What other solutions are you using to help people integrate Readers with their browsers while we are waiting for Amber to mature? Thanks for your thoughts. Regards, Teresa M. Craighead Teresa M. Craighead, Technical Writer Cornell Information Technologies Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 tmc1@cornell.edu 607-255-8320 5-Mar-1996 2:30:30-GMT,2098;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06291 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:30:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA23999; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:00:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA23952 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:53:16 -0600 From: mikrichter@interramp.com Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 17:32:24 PST Subject: RE: Reader questions To: "Teresa M. Craighead" , pdf-l@emrg.com X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mikrichter@interramp.com --- On Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:41:23 -0500 "Teresa M. Craighead" wrote: >I'd like to know how other folks are handling distribution of the Reader. >Do you: >--tell people where to get one and leave them on their own to retrieve it? >--give a link to Adobe's site for purposes on downloading a Reader? >--keep a Reader at a local site and have people download from there? >--give instructions for making the Reader into a Helper Application? > >What other solutions are you using to help people integrate Readers with >their browsers while we are waiting for Amber to mature? Thanks for your >thoughts. I do only 2) - link to Adobe. I don't try to tell SGI/Sun/etc. users how to run their systems (or even how to sweet-talk their administrators into installing it). I don't make assumptions at all. Adobe provides all the information required and I know too little to do more. Oh, if they are running Netscape Navigator 2 on a PC with Windows 3.1, I can help a lot, but by then I'm addressing too few users (though a plurality) to be worth the effort. Mike ******** Mike Richter mikrichter@interramp.com http://www.webcom.com/mrichter/ ******** 5-Mar-1996 7:41:05-GMT,1656;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08893 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:40:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA26535; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:35:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA26493 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:33:15 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 96 09:32 GMT+0200 X-Sender: tosolini@bcs-pop.iafrica.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: tosolini@lib.siu.edu (Paolo Tosolini, Italy) Subject: Toolbook OnLine goes 3D Cc: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: tosolini@lib.siu.edu (Paolo Tosolini, Italy) I'm glad to announce that Toolbook OnLine goes 3D with the new Asymetrix 3D Scene Viewer. Toolbook OnLine is an example of integration of different technologies, such as multimedia applications (Asymetrix Toolbook), electronic documents (Adobe Acrobat), 3D views (Asymetrix Web3D) and the Internet (Netscape). Toolbook OnLine is visible at the following addresses: http://www.lib.siu.edu/tbonline/ USA site http://www.ets.bris.ac.uk/tosolini/tbonline/ European mirror Comments and suggestions are welcome as usual. -- Paolo Tosolini tosolini@lib.siu.edu -- Visiting Researcher, INTEC College, Cape Town, South Africa -- Personal Home Page: http://www.lib.siu.edu/tosolini/ 5-Mar-1996 12:51:51-GMT,4050;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10338 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:51:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA27681; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:45:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA27591 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:42:22 -0600 Message-Id: <9603051238.AA29172@i-2000.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:47:27 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: threlk@i-2000.com (Julie Threlkeld) Subject: A couple of things Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: threlk@i-2000.com (Julie Threlkeld) FTPing: >always choose ftp >everyone I know) uses Anarchie (or your >favourite ftp client) You can also use Netscape itself as your favorite ftp client by just typing ftp://ftp.yaddayaddayadda.com in the address window. If the place has an ftp server, it should take you there with no problem, and you'll get a nice graphical list of clickable folders. ----------------- Acrobat Instructions: >- --tell people where to get one and leave them on their own to retrieve it? >- --give a link to Adobe's site for purposes on downloading a Reader? >- --keep a Reader at a local site and have people download from there? >- --give instructions for making the Reader into a Helper Application? Teresa, I am experiencing the same quandry. I want to take as little responsibility for offering technical support for a product that is not my own as possible. Here's my plan: On the Home page and pages with PDF docs, put the acrobat logo and a link to a page that gives the rundown on what acrobat/pdf is. On this page is: 1. A definition of PDF files and a sample of the PDF icon. 2. How we are using PDF files on this site, and clarifying that downloading them is not necessary to fully experiencing the site, but is an enhancement (in our case, people can download and save recipes for later viewing and printing. But the recipes are also in HTML.) 3. Adobe's yellow GET ACROBAT button...takes them to Adobe's site. I'd caution against uploading the readers on your site. First, you have to constantly monitor to make sure you've got the most current versions. Plus, why put redundant information up? It may also communicate that since you are providing the software, you are also supporting its users. 4. Since I haven't a clue as to how to install Readers on Sun, etc...I'm not going to assume to give people installation instructions. That's Adobe's responsibility. But I will give a generic explanation of how to configure it as a helper app for your average browser. 5. Include an e-mail address for people to mail questions or problems (or compliments!) ;) 6. A link out of the page, back to the main Home page. My site's not up yet. Will be in about two weeks. I'm sure I'll learn a lot about how to handle this part. I may even take down the PDF stuff altogether if it turns out to be too much of a technical/support headache. Most people who visit the site will be non-technies...so I'm trying to make everything as simple as possible. It's also going to be a high-profile site, and I don't want to embarrass my client with a bunch of confused users. I've had installation problems with the readers myself (ATM is often put in the wrong place on the Mac). So I'm a little dubious about Adobe's methods already. Perhaps those of us who are setting up PDF enhanced web sites could share our experiences with each other here in the list? I know I'd love the opportunity to learn from other people's mistakes or successes (and hopefully help other people too). Keep us posted. Julie ---------------------------------------- julie ------------------------------------ threlkeld threlk@i-2000.com http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~student/threlkeld ---------------------------------------------- 5-Mar-1996 12:51:53-GMT,4050;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10334 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:51:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA27679; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:45:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA27587 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:42:21 -0600 Message-Id: <9603051238.AA29172@i-2000.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:47:27 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: threlk@i-2000.com (Julie Threlkeld) Subject: A couple of things Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: threlk@i-2000.com (Julie Threlkeld) FTPing: >always choose ftp >everyone I know) uses Anarchie (or your >favourite ftp client) You can also use Netscape itself as your favorite ftp client by just typing ftp://ftp.yaddayaddayadda.com in the address window. If the place has an ftp server, it should take you there with no problem, and you'll get a nice graphical list of clickable folders. ----------------- Acrobat Instructions: >- --tell people where to get one and leave them on their own to retrieve it? >- --give a link to Adobe's site for purposes on downloading a Reader? >- --keep a Reader at a local site and have people download from there? >- --give instructions for making the Reader into a Helper Application? Teresa, I am experiencing the same quandry. I want to take as little responsibility for offering technical support for a product that is not my own as possible. Here's my plan: On the Home page and pages with PDF docs, put the acrobat logo and a link to a page that gives the rundown on what acrobat/pdf is. On this page is: 1. A definition of PDF files and a sample of the PDF icon. 2. How we are using PDF files on this site, and clarifying that downloading them is not necessary to fully experiencing the site, but is an enhancement (in our case, people can download and save recipes for later viewing and printing. But the recipes are also in HTML.) 3. Adobe's yellow GET ACROBAT button...takes them to Adobe's site. I'd caution against uploading the readers on your site. First, you have to constantly monitor to make sure you've got the most current versions. Plus, why put redundant information up? It may also communicate that since you are providing the software, you are also supporting its users. 4. Since I haven't a clue as to how to install Readers on Sun, etc...I'm not going to assume to give people installation instructions. That's Adobe's responsibility. But I will give a generic explanation of how to configure it as a helper app for your average browser. 5. Include an e-mail address for people to mail questions or problems (or compliments!) ;) 6. A link out of the page, back to the main Home page. My site's not up yet. Will be in about two weeks. I'm sure I'll learn a lot about how to handle this part. I may even take down the PDF stuff altogether if it turns out to be too much of a technical/support headache. Most people who visit the site will be non-technies...so I'm trying to make everything as simple as possible. It's also going to be a high-profile site, and I don't want to embarrass my client with a bunch of confused users. I've had installation problems with the readers myself (ATM is often put in the wrong place on the Mac). So I'm a little dubious about Adobe's methods already. Perhaps those of us who are setting up PDF enhanced web sites could share our experiences with each other here in the list? I know I'd love the opportunity to learn from other people's mistakes or successes (and hopefully help other people too). Keep us posted. Julie ---------------------------------------- julie ------------------------------------ threlkeld threlk@i-2000.com http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~student/threlkeld ---------------------------------------------- 5-Mar-1996 14:50:21-GMT,1375;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11037 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA28586; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:21:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA28555 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:19:05 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:19:59 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Fonts disappearing on PCI Powermac Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <13202D951C9@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Has anyone experienced fonts disappearing in PDF documents (possibly font subsets) not displaying on a 7200/90 powermac. 2.1 distiller used, 2.1 reader used! ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 5-Mar-1996 14:50:28-GMT,2051;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11040 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:50:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA28108; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:22:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA28064 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:20:41 -0600 Message-Id: <01BB0A6C.7B7C25A0@fontben.statcan.ca> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= To: "'CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil'" Cc: "'pdf-l@emrg.com'" Subject: RE: File Size Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:19:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= Win95 can easily show 8000+ files The root directory of a hard disk contains 512 directory or\and files = max. Benoit ---------- From: = CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil[SMTP:CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redsto= ne.army.mil] Sent: jeudi f=E9vrier 29 1996 10:05 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: File Size We are about to start a new project using the Adobe products = Capture=20 and Exchange. We are going to be saving each page as an individual = pdf image file. The reason for the individual files is that we are = going to be using the Document Info fields for search capabilities. =20 The problem we foresee that might occur is that we do not know how=20 many files that can be safely saved under one directory or its=20 subdirectories. We are looking at about 6,000 files. =20 Has anyone else taken on a project such as this or might be able to = give us any insight? =20 Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. =20 Thank You Cassandra 5-Mar-1996 15:32:52-GMT,1228;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11472 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:32:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29134; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:24:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29091 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:21:01 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:20:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199603051520.HAA10594@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: davezub@ix.netcom.com (David&Donna Zubrowski ) Subject: Scanners - Capture To: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: davezub@ix.netcom.com (David&Donna Zubrowski ) We are in the process of evaluating Capture V1.01 and need some advice on scanners that work "well" with Capture. I have the approved list of scanners, but need some real life feedback on scanners. Speed is not a critical issue, but accuracy, dependability, and ADF support is essential. The documents will mainly be 8.5X11 business documents. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Dave Zubrowski (Network Specialist) davezub@ix.netcom.com 5-Mar-1996 15:53:07-GMT,2972;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11736 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:53:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29301; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:42:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29261 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:40:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:35:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199603051535.HAA09898@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: RE: File Size To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <01BB0A6C.7B7C25A0@fontben.statcan.ca> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Cassandra, I'd advise against having all of the files in a single directory: 1. If you're going to place the files on a CD-ROM, you'll be out of compliance with the 2000-file-per-directory restriction of ISO-9660. 2. Even on networked hard disks, each user's performance will suffer every time they access the single large directory with anything other than Search. 3. The Windows File Manager will not, as you know, be able to display a directory with that many files. There is no problem with having multiple subdirectories when it comes to the Distiller, Catalog, or Exchange tools. I'd recommended dividing the 6000 files up into logical categories (e.g.: one subdirectory for each Chapter of a large book). Keep it down to about 200 files per subdirectory for best performance, both on hard disk as well as on CD-ROM. Other than that, 6000 documents is no big deal. Good luck, Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= wrote: >Win95 can easily show 8000+ files >The root directory of a hard disk contains 512 directory or\and files max. > >Benoit > > >---------- >From: CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil[SMTP:CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.red stone.army.mil] >Sent: jeudi fivrier 29 1996 10:05 >To: pdf-l@emrg.com >Subject: File Size > > We are about to start a new project using the Adobe products Capture > and Exchange. We are going to be saving each page as an individual > pdf image file. The reason for the individual files is that we are > going to be using the Document Info fields for search capabilities. > > The problem we foresee that might occur is that we do not know how > many files that can be safely saved under one directory or its > subdirectories. We are looking at about 6,000 files. > > Has anyone else taken on a project such as this or might be able to > give us any insight? > > Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. > > Thank You > Cassandra > > > > > > 5-Mar-1996 18:42:24-GMT,1822;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14333 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:42:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA30252; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:37:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA30217 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:33:37 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Header: (C)1996_Kurt Foss: I own my words, for better or worse. X-Header: Join the PDF-L discussion list--> X-Header: Send message -->subscribe PDF-L X-Header: Send to: majordomo@binc.net Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:45:04 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: Re: Reader questions - Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss FYI> We also have the latest Mac and Windows Reader apps available on the EMERGE web site, with hotlinks to download them from most of our web pages: http://www.emrg.com/ rgds ~ Kurt >--- =>>I'd like to know how other folks are handling distribution of the Reader. =>>Do you: =>>--tell people where to get one and leave them on their own to retrieve it? =>>--give a link to Adobe's site for purposes on downloading a Reader? =>>--keep a Reader at a local site and have people download from there? =>>--give instructions for making the Reader into a Helper Application? ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719-2054 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com/ ---<<#>>--- 6-Mar-1996 17:27:41-GMT,2783;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29598 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:27:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04681; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:18:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA04559 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:09:00 -0600 From: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU To: acrobat@blueworld.com, PDF-L@EMRG.COM cc: leann@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Help: PDF printing error Date: Wed, 06 Mar 96 11:39:44 EST Message-ID: <5634.826130384@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU> Sender: owner-pdf-l@EMRG.COM Precedence: bulk X-Sender: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU Hi, I'm having a problem that I hope someone can help me with. I lay out 30" x 40" posters using Illustrator, which I usually print tiled before trimming and pasting up. While using Illustrator 5.5, I realized I could save these posters in pdf format, open them in Acrobat Exchange 2.1, and print them to 8 1/2" by 11" by checking off the "shrink to fit" option. This ability has become essential for providing handouts at poster presentations. Recently, I upgraded to Illustrator 6.0. This time, when saving to pdf format, I found that the poster was tiled using the last PPD I'd used when printing -- which means I no longer get a single pdf page. I then found a workaround -- the PDFwriter driver 2.0. Now I choose it, set the page size to Custom (30" x 40") and check off "Use Page Setup" in the Document Setup dialog for Illustrator. This allows me to print a single page in pdf format. I have placed postscript files output from Framemaker 5 into an Illustrator file, printed it to pdf, then printed successfully from Acrobat Exchange to an 8 1/2" by 11" page. However, I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints partially with this postscript error message: ERROR: limitcheck OFFENDING COMMAND: save STACK: I've tried everything I know about (and some things I don't know very well). I've placed postscript; opened the postscript and copied it directly into the Illustrator file then checked off "split long paths" and lowered the print resolution; and, finally, opened and copied eps into the Illustrator file, also with "split long paths" and a lower print resolution. (There are total of 3 files -- single pages -- which I have either placed or copied into the Illustrator file.) The Illustrator file itself prints correctly as tiled. Any suggestions? Please copy my personal email address as well as the newsgroup. Thank you. LeAnn 6-Mar-1996 18:12:54-GMT,2044;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00315 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:12:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05056; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:07:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05030 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:07:01 -0600 From: Gernot Huber To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots Date: Wed, 06 Mar 96 10:00:00 P Message-ID: <313DD3E1@hamachi> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gernot Huber I am distilling files (Distiller 2.1 for Windows) which contain screenshots of dialog boxes taken on various Windows machines generally with 8 bit displays. I switched from JPEG compression to LZW to remove the compression noise that was created in the grey background of the dialog box around boxes and text. LZW is supposed to be lossless and specifically intended for such things as screenshots according to the Distiller manual. It looks to me like LZW is simply not working. I have searched the pdf files and they do seem to be using LZW (at least I find references to "/Filter /LZWDecode" in some BUT NOT ALL of the pdf files). However, I am getting exactly the same noise as I do when using JPEG compression. Only when I turn off all compression do I get a reasonable image, but the file size grows over 200 times! When distilling the same files on Distiller 1.0 for Mac (latest one I have) using the LZW settings, the result is PERFECT. Tiny file size, and perfectly smooth grey background. Adobe, what gives? Why does the first generation Mac product work as advertised while the THIRD generation Windows product doesn't? Thanks for any help you can provide; this is driving me batty. Gernot Huber EPR, Inc. 6-Mar-1996 19:23:57-GMT,3383;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01130 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:23:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA05445; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:02:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05411 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:00:53 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960306190000.0074d770@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 13:00:00 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: ANNOUNCING CAPTURE-L LIST Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert The amount of interest in Acrobat Capture has risen markedly since the first of the year and we at EMERGE envision this trend continuing at an increasing rate. While the PDF-L list (and ACROBAT-L) are serving the needs of the general 'Acrobat-ic' community, we see the need for a more specialized discussion group addressing only Capture issues. Though Capture is obviously a member of the Acrobat family, the issues and problems associated with Capture are generally far removed from the mainstream Acrobat discussion threads. ANNOUNCING CAPTURE-L Starting today a new list called CAPTURE-L is operational to specifically address the needs of the growing installed base of Capture users as well as those who are thinking about venturing into this arena. Our ultimate goal is to loosely form an Acrobat Capture 'users group' and Capture-L is the first step in that direction. In the weeks to follow, look for expansion on the user group concept as we begin to build on the CAPTURE-L foundation. To subscribe to CAPTURE-L send mail to: majordomo@binc.net with the following command in the BODY of your email message: subscribe CAPTURE-L A digest version of this list is also available by sending the command 'subscribe capture-digest' to the same e-mail address CAPTURE-L is an unmoderated list brought to you by EMERGE, a Madison (WI)-based information management company. The Acrobat family of software products is the core technology used at EMERGE, both as a part of a document/image management solution (using Acrobat Capture) and for electronic publishing on CD-ROM and on the Internet/World Wide Web. Hope to see you on CAPTURE-L. Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 6-Mar-1996 20:17:38-GMT,2087;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01755 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:17:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA05771; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:56:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05729 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:54:05 -0600 From: Gernot Huber To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: Gernot Huber Subject: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots Date: Wed, 06 Mar 96 10:24:00 P Message-ID: <313DD9F8@hamachi> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gernot Huber I am distilling files (Distiller 2.1 for Windows) which contain screenshots of dialog boxes taken on various Windows machines generally with 8 bit displays. I switched from JPEG compression to LZW to remove the compression noise that was created in the grey background of the dialog box around boxes and text. LZW is supposed to be lossless and specifically intended for such things as screenshots according to the Distiller manual. It looks to me like LZW is simply not working. I have searched the pdf files and they do seem to be using LZW (at least I find references to "/Filter /LZWDecode" in some BUT NOT ALL of the pdf files). However, I am getting exactly the same noise as I do when using JPEG compression. Only when I turn off all compression do I get a reasonable image, but the file size grows over 200 times! When distilling the same files on Distiller 1.0 for Mac (latest one I have) using the LZW settings, the result is PERFECT. Tiny file size, and perfectly smooth grey background. Adobe, what gives? Why does the first generation Mac product work as advertised while the THIRD generation Windows product doesn't? Thanks for any help you can provide; this is driving me batty. Gernot Huber EPR, Inc. 6-Mar-1996 20:41:48-GMT,5360;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02090 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:41:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06028; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:20:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA05964 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:18:35 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199603062017.PAA12600@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots To: gernot@hamachi.epr.com (Gernot Huber) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:17:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <313DD3E1@hamachi> from "Gernot Huber" at Mar 6, 96 10:00:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > I am distilling files (Distiller 2.1 for Windows) which contain screenshots > of dialog boxes taken on various Windows machines generally with 8 bit > displays. > > I switched from JPEG compression to LZW to remove the compression noise that [. . .] > It looks to me like LZW is simply not working. [. . . > When distilling the same files on Distiller 1.0 for Mac (latest one I have) > using the LZW settings, the result is PERFECT. Tiny file size, and perfectly > smooth grey background. > > Adobe, what gives? Why does the first generation Mac product work as > advertised while the THIRD generation Windows product doesn't? > > Thanks for any help you can provide; this is driving me batty. Gernot: What you're seeing is probably due to the "automatic image filtering" feature of Acrobat 2.1. Acrobat Distiller 2.1 provides a new feature designed to make automatically give you the best compression alternative for converting the color and grayscale images in your PostScript file into PDF. The Distiller looks at the data in each image to see whether the image appears to be a representation of a "continuous tone" image (such as a photograph) or an image with large areas of consistent color (such as a screen capture of a Windows dialog box). If it appears to a continuous tone image, the Distiller uses JPEG compression and if it's a "flat" image it uses LZW. In general, this is a very helpful feature that automatically solves problems many people were having using earlier versions of the Distiller. Unfortunately, this feature is not integrated into the Distiller's user interface. When automatic image filtering is turned on (as it is by default), changing the compression from JPEG to LZW has no effect. The decisions of the Distiller's automatic filtering always override. (Changes to the *level* of JPEG compress or the downsampling rate *are* implemented, I believe, but changes to the *type* of compression filter -- JPEG vs. LZW -- are not.) For most applications, this is not a problem. But in some cases -- like yours -- it is. What can you do? Well, it you want to know you have control over which compression filters are used, you can turn off automatic image filtering. There's no menu selection for this, but you can turn it off by editing the "Example.ps" file in the Distiller's Startup directory. Open Example.ps with a plain text editor and locate the section "AUTOMATIC IMAGE COMPRESSION FILTER SELECTION" Delete the "%" from the beginning of the follow two lines: <> setdistillerparams <> setdistillerparams If you want to be really slick, also add the following line: (Automatic image filtering OFF for color and grayscale images\n) print flush This will display a message when the Distiller starts to remind you that you've turned off the defaults. For a future incarnation of the Distiller, I'd like to see Adobe better integrate this feature into the Distiller's user interface. Ideally there would be a menu selection to enable or disable automatic image filtering. But -- whether achieved through a menu selection or by editing the startup file -- the Distiller should provide the user with reasonable feedback about what options are available. Currently, the Distiller's user interface gives you the impression that you have control over the selection of the compression filter when, in fact, you don't. When the this feature is enabled, the options to change from JPEG to LZW should be "grayed out" to make it clear that they're not available to you. Automatic image filtering is a great new addition to version 2.1 of Acrobat Distiller. Adobe needs to update the product's user interface to better communicate the behavior of this feature. In the meantime, you'll need to edit the Distiller's Startup file if you want to take full control of the Distiller's settings. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Mar-1996 21:15:38-GMT,1403;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02494 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:15:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06094; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:22:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06035 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:21:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:20:40 -0500 (EST) From: Lee Katterman X-Sender: leekatt@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu To: PDF-L Subject: reader questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Lee Katterman We have started using pdf files to post some information on our web site (University of Michinga Office of Vice President for Research). I've taken a minimalist approach....a paragraph saying if you see the acrobat log, then this links you to a pd file. Then a couple button to the adobe downloading site and one to a simple set of instructions for configuring Navigator to display Reader files. I realize that some users do use Netscape, but so far, no one has complained. lee katterman u of michigan 6-Mar-1996 23:49:22-GMT,2678;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04562 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:49:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07199; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:20:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07168 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:16:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 96 15:15:13 PST From: "Alexander, Larry" Encoding: 44 Text Message-Id: <9602068261.AA826154079@clink.acad.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PDF Font Reencoding Errors Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Alexander, Larry" Here's a problem that has us stumped. I thought that perhaps someone has seen this one before and could tell us the cause and perhaps what to do about it. We are receiving PDF files from three of our typesetters which, in some instances, display the following error message while viewing an "offending" page: "Some text in the font and character Times-Roman 202 could not be displayed or printed correctly. The font could not be reencoded." Does this mean that the character in position 202 of the font (in some other documents, the number is 207 instead of 202) could not be pulled from the font table? The strange thing is that I am running Reader 2.1 (I have ATM installed on my Pentium) and this error message *does not* occur. I have tried another Pentium running Reader 2.1 under Windows NT and the error *does* occur. Our production folks are running PCs with Windows 3.11 for Workgroups and the error *does* occur (Reader 2.1). Our typesetter, who by the way, has been instructed only to embed special math and pi fonts, receives the error under an older version of ATM on one Mac, but does not get the error on another Mac running the latest ATM rev. It is most puzzling that those running the 2.0 Reader *always* get the reencoding error, whereas those running Exchange or Reader with ATM may or may not get the error. Perhaps this is a Reader-only problem? P.S. Our typesetters claim they are using Adobe fonts, new and untouched. However, by the nature of our journal publishing, we do tend to give our fonts a complete workout in terms of using just about *all* of the characters in a font. So if there is a problem, we will tend to find it quicker than many others. I have a sample file which contains this problem at: http://www.apnet.com/www/gfxtest/pdftest.htm Any ideas on how to solve this? Workarounds? Many thanks in advance, Larry Alexander AP 7-Mar-1996 0:37:40-GMT,2421;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA05109 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:37:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07625; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:12:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA07582 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:10:43 -0600 X-Sender: mcdough@merle.acns.nwu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:11:08 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: m-dougherty@nwu.edu (Claire Dougherty) Subject: watched folders in Capture Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: m-dougherty@nwu.edu (Claire Dougherty) I don't believe I've seen this discussed before, but apologies if I'm mistaken: We've been trying to set up Capture to run on one workstation connected to a server and have watched folders (directories) on the server volume for 3 remote units to drop their raw TIFFs in. With Adobe's new licensing scheme for the Reviewer, these remote units can at least do their own checking, but we can't seem to figure out why the watched directories setup in Capture is so clumsy. Specifically (and this actually goes for all folders but is particularly vexatious for watched folders, which one would like to leave to do their thing while one is doing something else) it doesn't seem to be possible to match an IN folder with and OUT folder. Thus, anything processed from a particular IN folder won't always go to its partner, but rather to whatever out folder happens to be selected at any given time. Secondly, the watched directories option can be applied to several folders at once (that is, they all get the googly "I'm watching..." eyes icon next to them), but it appears that, in order to really WATCH and process, you have to select the folder, then click the process button. Has anyone else had any experiences with this? We're considering looking into a scripting program to do this if we can't get it to work any other way ... ___________________________________________ M. Claire Dougherty Reserve/Multimedia Services Librarian Northwestern University Library (847) 467-1437 m-dougherty@nwu.edu http://www.library.nwu.edu/staff/cdougherty 7-Mar-1996 1:55:41-GMT,4290;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05859 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:55:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA08298; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:29:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA08229 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:27:12 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 06 Mar 96 16:48:00 PDT Message-Id: <9602068261.AA826161728@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Gernot Huber , pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Gernot: For all the world it sounds like you still have Distiller set to JPEG images! Make sure you've chosen LZW for both Grayscale and Color images. Then try this test on a simple one-page document, one page with one screen shot: Turn OFF LZW for Text and Graphics in Distiller Job Options, then distill a sample file. Now open it up in a text editor and search for the "/Filter / LZWDecode". You should see it ahead of each image object in the PDF file. Then open the file in Acrobat and see if you still have the distortion. If the PDF file says LZW but your image is noisy, something is happening long before the image reaches Distiller. It sounds like you've done this. So: Distiller 2.1 incorporates an automatic filter, in fact, that evaluates images to see if they are screen captures and then switches to LZW without having to be asked. This filter can be defeated by editing the file "Example.ps" in Distiller's Startup directory: see comments below. While it might be possible for this filter to be confused, I haven't heard of this before. Try disabling it if you still seem to be getting JPEGged screen captures. >From "Example.ps": %%% AUTOMATIC IMAGE COMPRESSION FILTER SELECTION %%% Automatic filter selection enables the proper handling of documents %%% containing photographic and screen shot images. The Distiller examines %%% samples in 8-bits-per-component images looking for sharp color changes. %%% If it has sharp color changes, LZW compression is used; if it has smooth %%% color changes, JPEG compression is used. The default setting for this %%% option is true, but can be disabled via this file. % <> setdistillerparams % <> setdistillerparams To turn off autofiltering, uncomment the two lines above by removing the leading % sign, save, and restart Distiller. It should now read: <> setdistillerparams <> setdistillerparams Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots From: Gernot Huber at cc_smtp5 Date: 3/6/96 10:00 AM I am distilling files (Distiller 2.1 for Windows) which contain screenshots of dialog boxes taken on various Windows machines generally with 8 bit displays. I switched from JPEG compression to LZW to remove the compression noise that was created in the grey background of the dialog box around boxes and text. LZW is supposed to be lossless and specifically intended for such things as screenshots according to the Distiller manual. It looks to me like LZW is simply not working. I have searched the pdf files and they do seem to be using LZW (at least I find references to "/Filter /LZWDecode" in some BUT NOT ALL of the pdf files). However, I am getting exactly the same noise as I do when using JPEG compression. Only when I turn off all compression do I get a reasonable image, but the file size grows over 200 times! When distilling the same files on Distiller 1.0 for Mac (latest one I have) using the LZW settings, the result is PERFECT. Tiny file size, and perfectly smooth grey background. Adobe, what gives? Why does the first generation Mac product work as advertised while the THIRD generation Windows product doesn't? Thanks for any help you can provide; this is driving me batty. Gernot Huber EPR, Inc. 7-Mar-1996 2:38:19-GMT,2042;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06159 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:38:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA08780; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:19:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA08738 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:17:10 -0600 Message-ID: <313FC211.414B@netville.com.br> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 21:13:53 -0800 From: Aguinaldo CamposJr Organization: netville.com.br X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Some doubts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aguinaldo CamposJr Hello All I have some questions about PDF, I'm entering this group now and I'm implementing PDF Format files in the company I work. I would like to know about some product to make redline comments over a PDF file. I heard about a product from rosetta (www.rosetta.com), but I left a bunch of message and I got no response. Could someone help me indicating some product that do that. I'm using Acrobat files in conjunction with TDM-Formtek's Product/ Thanks in advance Best Regards -- +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Aguinaldo CamposJr INTERNET Consultor | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Joinville - BR | Phone: 55-47-441-2834 | | | Fax: 55-47-441-2225 | | | E-mail: acj2net@netvill.com.br | |----------------------------------------------------------| | WWW: http://www.netville.com.br/~acj2net/aguinco1.html | +----------------------------------------------------------+ 7-Mar-1996 4:29:09-GMT,1968;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06997 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA09687; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:08:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA09655 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:05:31 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:04:40 -0800 (PST) From: Dick Gaskill Message-Id: <199603070404.UAA17152@birch.ag3d.com> To: acj2net@netville.com.br Subject: Re: Some doubts Cc: dickg@ag3d.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Dick Gaskill Your message sounded like you are the one who wants to redline the pdf files, not your customers. If that's right, why not use Acrobat Exchange? It allows making notes in the file, etc. Click on Save As and then on Security. Set options as desired and overwrite the file. You can set security to allow users to add and/or change notes as well. -dg ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 21:13:53 -0800 From: Aguinaldo CamposJr To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Some doubts Hello All I have some questions about PDF, I'm entering this group now and I'm implementing PDF Format files in the company I work. I would like to know about some product to make redline comments over a PDF file. I heard about a product from rosetta (www.rosetta.com), but I left a bunch of message and I got no response. Could someone help me indicating some product that do that. I'm using Acrobat files in conjunction with TDM-Formtek's Product/ Thanks in advance Best Regards -- +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Aguinaldo CamposJr INTERNET Consultor | ----- End Included Message ----- 7-Mar-1996 5:24:14-GMT,1739;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07336 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:24:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA10316; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:11:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA10278 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:09:19 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960307051211.006b5e30@sky.net> X-Sender: brud@sky.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 23:12:11 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Brud Jones Subject: PS to PDF and Margins Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brud Jones I have an application that produces a PS file for distiller, but when the PS file is distilled, the margins on the right and bottom are cut off. Does anyone have any ideas how to correct this? Is their a PS printer driver that works best with WFW 3.11 and has an option for "shrink to fit"? I thought about using PDF Writer but the PS file has a Laser form built in it and I feel that Distiller would create a more eficient PDF file. If I am mistaken please feel free to comment on this. Brud Jones _______________________________________________________________ Brud Jones Phone: (816)421-0683 Corporate Document Systems Fax: (816)474-1237 913 Baltimore Voice Mail: (816)840-4755 Kansas City, MO 64105 Pager: (816)691-9969 Email: brud@irin.com brud@sky.net 7-Mar-1996 8:19:00-GMT,1829;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09191 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:18:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA12052; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:11:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA12020 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:09:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199603070809.CAA23245@falcon.inetnebr.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:10:38 +0008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: A request and a question. Reply-to: snake@inetnebr.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" Hello all. Does anybody have a copy of PDFMAKER.PM6 for the PC? This allows you to set the preferences for "Create Adobe PDF..." option in PageMaker, but I can't find a copy of it. Second, I'm pretty careful and only used Times and Helvetica (and yes, I do like beehive hairdos) in a document, expecting that it would the built in fonts. On examination, I see its using "Custom5." What the heck is that? The size of the PDF is a critical issue here, so how can I save a few bytes (or am I already?) TIA, ~~~~~~~~~~~~:> Kent "Snake" Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake --------------------------------------------------- "The sad thing about artificial intelligence is that it lacks artifice and therefore intelligence." -- Jean Baudrillard 7-Mar-1996 9:55:18-GMT,2586;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA09579 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA12562; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:51:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA12529 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:48:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199603070947.DAA27576@glacier.binc.net> To: snake@inetnebr.com cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: A request and a question. In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 07 Mar 1996 02:10:38 +0008. <199603070809.CAA23245@falcon.inetnebr.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 09:34:17 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith In your message of Thu, 07 Mar 1996 02:10:38 +0008 you said: >Second, I'm pretty careful and only used Times and Helvetica (and >yes, I do like beehive hairdos) in a document, expecting that it >would the built in fonts. On examination, I see its using "Custom5." No it isn't! The "Custom 5" sounds to me like the encoding, not the font. Applications can reencode fonts however they like, so as to match the character set of the system they're running on. I think that in this case, Custom 5 is a name which Acrobat Exchange/Reader (whatever you're using) has given to the custom encoding in the PDF file. This should be clear from the column headings in File > Document Info > Fonts... I'm currently looking at this dialog in Solaris Reader. For each font, it gives the original font name and type, the encoding (e.g. Standard, MacRoman or Custom 5) and the name and type of the font actually used. If a font is embedded the used font will be "Embedded". If the font is not embedded and is not available on your system, it will be a substitute "AdobeSansMM" or "AdobeSerifMM". If a font subset has been embedded, it's original font name will be preceded by 6 upper-case letters and a plus sign. I hope this clears things up. Of course there's a very slim chance that you actually have a font called "Custom5" perhaps generated on the fly by whatever generated the PDF, but this really is pretty unlikely. Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 7-Mar-1996 14:08:31-GMT,2421;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10586 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:08:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13918; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:03:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA13881 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:01:10 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 7 Mar 1996 07:53:58 U From: "Ted Goessling" Subject: Re- Help- PDF printing erro To: "LeAnn Neal Reilly" , "PDF-L Readers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Ted Goessling" Subject: Re: Help: PDF printing error Date:3/7/96 Time: 7:28 AM LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU writes: > I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which > won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints > partially with this postscript error message: > > ERROR: limitcheck > OFFENDING COMMAND: save > STACK: If you are working with a Macintosh, (which I assume you are) this may help. I had a similar problem (not with PDF) that I traced to the "Smooth Text" and "Smooth Graphics" commands in the Page Setup... options. I was trying to print a document at a smaller scale. When I turned these features off, it printed just fine. My only guess was that enabling them somehow overwhelmed some computational process on the machine. The problem sure sounds like it has to do with the degree to which you are shrinking the file. It might help diagnose the problem if you experiment with various page reduction settings in the Page Setup... dialog that will shrink the poster, but not all the way to 1 page. See if you get the same message if the poster is shrunken to fit onto 2 pages. Good Luck! ====================================================================== Ted Goessling ted.goessling@mts.com Technology Analyst 14000 Technology Drive MTS Systems Corporation Eden Prairie, MN 55344 ====================================================================== 7-Mar-1996 14:16:37-GMT,2130;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10632 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:16:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA14017; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:14:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA13988 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:12:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199603071408.AA09576@interlock.halnet.com> X-Sender: lavonna@pigeon X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 07:59:54 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: LaVonna Funkhouser Subject: Exchange prints/Reader doesn't Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: LaVonna Funkhouser Situation: I have Acrobat Exchange 2.1, but when I installed it, I kept Acrobat Reader 2.1 so I could "test" my files. However, sometimes documents that print fine from Exchange give me an error and won't print from my Reader. (The error is "An error occurred while downloading a font. This document might not print correctly," but I always check "include downloadable fonts.") I worried about this for several hours until I realized that it prints fine from other people's Reader 2.1 apps. These other people don't have Exchange, and they might have different printers. (I have a Lexmark 4079 color printer and an HP4MV postscript laser printer.) My theory: Reader and Exchange share some .ini or DLL file somewhere that doesn't like for me to have both of them installed at the same time. Question: Can anyone expand on this theory or help me solve this mystery? Thanks! LaVonna LaVonna F. Funkhouser, COREComm lffunkhouser@halnet.com (work) You are invited to browse our web site: http://www.corecomm.com/corecomm/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My opinions do not officially represent anyone other than me. 7-Mar-1996 14:39:13-GMT,2263;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10825 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA14151; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:20:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA14092 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:19:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:30:58 -0500 To: "Mark Czajka" From: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) Subject: Re: Fonts disappearing on PCI Powermac Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) >Has anyone experienced fonts disappearing in PDF documents >(possibly font subsets) not displaying on a 7200/90 >powermac. 2.1 distiller used, 2.1 reader used! MacWorld and MacWeek (I think) have recently reported that there is a mysterious font corruption phenomenon occurring on new Macs everywhere. I wish I could provide you with the citation for the article. If you really want it, log onto their web sites and search the index by keyword. Perhaps what you're experiencing is related. We have just invested in FontBox to help address some of these reported problems. Dean Norton +----------------------------------------------------+ | | | AGRICULTURAL BIOTECHNOLOGY | | FOR SUSTAINABLE PRODUCTIVITY | | ABSP Project | | Michigan State University | | 414 Plant & Soil Sciences Building | | East Lansing, MI 48824-1325 | | voice: (517) 353-2290 | | FAX: (517) 432-1982 | | | +----------------------------------------------------+ | DEAN P. NORTON e-mail: nortond@isl.msu.edu | +----------------------------------------------------+ 7-Mar-1996 14:49:47-GMT,3674;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10862 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:49:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA14597; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:46:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA14550 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:44:37 -0600 From: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU To: Ted Goessling cc: LeAnn Neal Reilly , PDF-L Readers Subject: Re: Re- Help- PDF printing erro In-reply-to: Your message of "07 Mar 96 07:53:58 +0800." Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 09:43:46 EST Message-ID: <11465.826209826@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU> Sender: owner-pdf-l@EMRG.COM Precedence: bulk X-Sender: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU In message you write: >Subject: Re: Help: PDF printing error Date:3/7/96 Time: 7:28 AM > >LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU writes: > >> I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which >> won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints >> partially with this postscript error message: >> >> ERROR: limitcheck >> OFFENDING COMMAND: save >> STACK: > >If you are working with a Macintosh, (which I assume you are) this may help. >I had a similar problem (not with PDF) that I traced to the "Smooth Text" and >"Smooth Graphics" commands in the Page Setup... options. I was trying to >print a document at a smaller scale. When I turned these features off, it >printed just fine. My only guess was that enabling them somehow overwhelmed >some computational process on the machine. > >The problem sure sounds like it has to do with the degree to which you are >shrinking the file. It might help diagnose the problem if you experiment with >various page reduction settings in the Page Setup... dialog that will shrink >the poster, but not all the way to 1 page. See if you get the same message if >the poster is shrunken to fit onto 2 pages. > >Good Luck! > >====================================================================== > Ted Goessling ted.goessling@mts.com > Technology Analyst 14000 Technology Drive > MTS Systems Corporation Eden Prairie, MN 55344 >====================================================================== Thanks for the tip -- I hadn't quite gotten to trying that one yet. However, I did think of another approach before I got your advice that turned out to work (while your tip about unchecking the "Smooth Text" and "Smooth Graphics" unfortunately didn't work for the page reduction I was looking for; I suspect trying various page reductions would also not matter given my final solution). And, yes, I am working on a Macintosh. Sorry for forgetting that detail. The graphics created in Framemaker contained equations (the main reason I didn't just recreate them in Illustrator) and they were saved as eps files. I finally realized that PDF Writer just wasn't going to convert them well enough to print out. So, I used Distiller to convert the graphics themselves into pdf format, then copied and pasted them into a pdf version of my poster (created with PDF Writer so that I could get the large-format output). I was able to print this out successfully on an 8 1/2" by 11" sheet. I can't tell you how happy I am now. LeAnn 7-Mar-1996 15:20:36-GMT,1541;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11100 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:20:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA14994; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:16:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA14916 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:13:01 -0600 X-Sender: ggati@master Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:15:07 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) Subject: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) The answer may be obvious to everyone but me, but I''ve never understood why someone would choose creating a pdf file via PDF Writer vs. using Distiller. Are there advantages/disadvantages to each method? Does it depend on your authoring software, or perhaps the complexity of your document? I can't find any clear statement on this in the Adobe literature. Does anyone understand why and when I'd want to select one method of creating pdf files over another? Thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment you can provide. Gary. Gary M. Gatien Mechanical Dynamics 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48105 email: ggati@adams.com FAX: (313) 994-6418 ph: (313) 913-2525 7-Mar-1996 15:25:34-GMT,2479;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11153 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:25:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA15179; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:22:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA15120 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:20:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:20:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199603071520.JAA28308@glacier.binc.net> X-Sender: kschmidt@buckaroo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Aguinaldo CamposJr From: Karl Schmidtmann Subject: Re: Some doubts Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Karl Schmidtmann Aguinaldo: At Software Partners we have a redlining tool that works with Acrobat Exchange on the Mac and Windows platforms. Called Re:mark, you can download an evaluation copy from either our Web site (www.buckaroo.com) or from that of our friends at Emerge (www.emrg.com). Please contact me directly if you have any questions. Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners kschmidt@buckaroo.com 804-984-5500 At 09:13 PM 3/7/96 -0800, Aguinaldo CamposJr wrote: >Hello All > > I have some questions about PDF, I'm entering this group now and >I'm implementing PDF Format files in the company I work. I would like to know >about some product to make redline comments over a PDF file. I heard about a >product from rosetta (www.rosetta.com), but I left a bunch of message and I >got no response. >Could someone help me indicating some product that do that. I'm using Acrobat >files in conjunction with TDM-Formtek's Product/ > >Thanks in advance > >Best Regards >-- > >+----------------------------------------------------------+ >| Aguinaldo CamposJr INTERNET Consultor | >|----------------------------------------------------------| >| Joinville - BR | Phone: 55-47-441-2834 | >| | Fax: 55-47-441-2225 | >| | E-mail: acj2net@netvill.com.br | >|----------------------------------------------------------| >| WWW: http://www.netville.com.br/~acj2net/aguinco1.html | >+----------------------------------------------------------+ > > 7-Mar-1996 19:17:39-GMT,2604;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14239 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:16:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA16746; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:08:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16654 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:00:18 -0600 From: Gernot Huber To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: Gernot Huber Subject: Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screens Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 10:55:00 P Message-ID: <313F31D1@hamachi> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gernot Huber Thank you everyone who told me how to turn off the autofilter in the example.ps file to force LZW rather than JPEG compression. Gary Cosimini (gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com) writes: >[The automatic compression method] filter can be defeated by editing the >file "Example.ps" in Distiller's Startup directory: see comments below. >While it might be possible for this filter to be confused, I haven't heard >of this before. Try disabling it if you still seem to be getting JPEGged >screen captures. Disabling the autofilter did the trick. Thank you. That does mean that the autofilter is indeed confused. I knew about the autofilter before I sent off my query, but because neither the GUI nor the online help gave an option to turn it off and because the online help assured me (page 78 of help_d.pdf) that the autofilter uses JPEG compression only for 16 and 24 bit images (while mine were only 8 bit) I didn't think that doing something to the autofilter would solve this problem. I don't think that I have to point out what a great example of abysmal interface design this situation is. Providing a dialog box that allows the user to chose between JPEG or LZW compression and then adding a "feature" that overrides this user selection without telling the user is careless at best. I have a feeling that the answer is that Adobe wanted to add the autofilter feature but didn't have time to rewrite the dialog box. Maybe it would have been better to leave out the autofilter then. Even if you decided to put it in anyway, there still is no excuse for not explaining the situation in the online help and explaining how to turn off the autofilter. A blemish on an otherwise great product, Gernot Huber EPR, Inc. 7-Mar-1996 20:00:46-GMT,1742;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14870 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:00:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17152; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:48:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA17110 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:46:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 13:26:27 CST From: CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil Message-Id: <9602078262.AA826233994@clsmtp.redstone.army.mil> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: ENDLESS LOOP Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil We are about to start a new project in which we will be using the security option in Exchange to protect the document from changes. We will also be using Catalog to index our files. The problem we have experienced in testing this, is that after we save a file with the Security option enabled, this changes the document and we have to reindex the file. Otherwise, we get an error message that file has been updated and words won't be highlighted. When we go to reindex the file in Catalog we get the message that the file isn't able to be opened (because the Security function is on). If we turn the security feature off so it can be reindexed then the document is no longer protected from changes and we have defeated our original purpose. Has anyone else came across this problem or might have a solution? Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Thank You Cassandra 7-Mar-1996 21:04:49-GMT,2238;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15597 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:04:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17559; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:37:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA17511 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:34:44 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 15:22:36 PST Message-Id: <9602078262.AA826230451@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Aguinaldo CamposJr , PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: no doubts please! Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Aguinaldo: Software Partners' Re:mark plugin lets you do just that. You can download a demo from www.emrg.com. What is TDM-Formtek? Do they integrate Exchange in some way? Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Some doubts From: Aguinaldo CamposJr at cc_smtp2 Date: 3/6/96 7:06 PM Hello All I have some questions about PDF, I'm entering this group now and I'm implementing PDF Format files in the company I work. I would like to know about some product to make redline comments over a PDF file. I heard about a product from rosetta (www.rosetta.com), but I left a bunch of message and I got no response. Could someone help me indicating some product that do that. I'm using Acrobat files in conjunction with TDM-Formtek's Product/ Thanks in advance Best Regards -- +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Aguinaldo CamposJr INTERNET Consultor | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Joinville - BR | Phone: 55-47-441-2834 | | | Fax: 55-47-441-2225 | | | E-mail: acj2net@netvill.com.br | |----------------------------------------------------------| | WWW: http://www.netville.com.br/~acj2net/aguinco1.html | +----------------------------------------------------------+ 7-Mar-1996 21:25:38-GMT,2801;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15880 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:25:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17799; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:46:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA17729 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:44:42 -0600 From: Prentiss Riddle Message-Id: <199603072044.OAA12528@brazos.is.rice.edu> Subject: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? To: PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:44:13 -0600 (CST) X-WWW-Page: http://is.rice.edu/~riddle/ X-Bundle-Of-Joy: http://is.rice.edu/~riddle/mango.html X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Prentiss Riddle I'm not heavily into PDF and related technology, so forgive me if I'm asking a question which has already been addressed, but here goes. I've been reading the documents at http://www.adobe.com/Amber and I see that taking advantage of the "page-at-a-time" features supported by Amber will require special capabilities on the web server. The Amber FAQ says: Page-at-a-time display requires a web server with byteserver capability, either built-in (as with future Netscape and Open Market server products) or using a CGI script. Adobe plans to freely distribute the CGI script when it is finalized. My question concerns the CGI script. A common problem with CGI scripts which provide special access to web documents is that they fail to honor the access control restrictions imposed when documents are accessed through normal HTTP requests. This is usually the case whether the CGI script accesses the files locally (because the CGI script doesn't understand or honor the local web server's access control mechanism, e.g., NCSA httpd .htaccess files) or the CGI script makes retrievals via HTTP (because the ultimate server will see the request as coming from the gateway's IP address rather than the end-client's IP address). For this reason, CGI scripts which can be used to request an arbitrary document constitute a serious security risk for any site which has documents it doesn't want the whole world to see. Is there any indication that the folks at Adobe working on the byteserver CGI script have thought of this problem? -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- RiceInfo Administrator, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle -- Home office: 2002-A Guadalupe St. #285, Austin, TX 78705 / 512-323-0708 7-Mar-1996 21:36:55-GMT,1831;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16107 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:36:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17920; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:51:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA17872 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:49:54 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 15:32:22 PST Message-Id: <9602078262.AA826231386@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Theresa Norton , pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Pagemaker-to-Acrobat: Cut-off pages Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Theresa: Use Distiller to process PageMaker documents. This will fix your problem. PDFWriter is for simple desktop applications like word processors and spreadsheets. PM 6.0 upgrades come with a Distiller. Gary _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Pagemaker-to-Acrobat: Cut-off pages From: Theresa Norton at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/27/96 5:24 AM We have a manual in Pagemaker 5.0 for Windows that has facing pages for landscape tables. We set up the Pagemaker file to "build booklet" in order to keep the facing pages when we print to PDFWriter. Unfortunately, though, when we view the file in Acrobat Reader, the pages are shifted and cut-off. Everything looks fine in Pagemaker. Does anyone have a suggestion for fixing this? We tried changing the page size, but are still having the problem. Thanks in advance. Theresa Norton theresan@wpo.jhpiego.org JHPIEGO/Johns Hopkins Program for International Education in Reproductive Health 7-Mar-1996 21:47:35-GMT,1613;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16207 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:47:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA18533; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:35:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA18398 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:31:24 -0600 From: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil Message-Id: <9603072130.AA08407@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 13:30:36 -0800 Subject: Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199603062017.PAA12600@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Kendall Whitehouse wrote: >Automatic image filtering is a great new addition to version 2.1 of >Acrobat Distiller. Adobe needs to update the product's user interface >to better communicate the behavior of this feature. In the meantime, >you'll need to edit the Distiller's Startup file if you want to take >full control of the Distiller's settings. I completely agree! The automatic image filtering is a needed feature. Since I wasn't aware of it, I assumed the dialog box let me control the type of compression. This is something that Adobe needs to resolve in their next release. -- Patrick R. Kane 7-Mar-1996 22:05:27-GMT,2302;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16411 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:04:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17735; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:44:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA17651 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:42:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: Dick Gaskill Message-Id: <199603072027.MAA22680@birch.ag3d.com> To: ggati@adams.com Subject: Re: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Cc: dickg@ag3d.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Dick Gaskill Hi Gary, I see that others on the framers list are now subscribing to the Acrobat lists too. I have the feeling Adobe is making a lot of money on Acrobat because they give the reader away. Works for me, anyway, I just published my first online manual and the boss is happy because we reduced the cost of publishing the docs by 85%. The only answer I know about is that the PDF file is a lot smaller when you use the distiller instead of the PDFwriter. Makes a big difference if you have to get the file on one floppy for distribution. -dg ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:15:07 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) Subject: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com The answer may be obvious to everyone but me, but I''ve never understood why someone would choose creating a pdf file via PDF Writer vs. using Distiller. Are there advantages/disadvantages to each method? Does it depend on your authoring software, or perhaps the complexity of your document? I can't find any clear statement on this in the Adobe literature. Does anyone understand why and when I'd want to select one method of creating pdf files over another? Thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment you can provide. Gary. Gary M. Gatien Mechanical Dynamics 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48105 email: ggati@adams.com FAX: (313) 994-6418 ph: (313) 913-2525 ----- End Included Message ----- 7-Mar-1996 22:14:09-GMT,2157;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16541 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA18964; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:08:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA18926 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:05:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:05:38 -0700 (MST) From: Carlos I McEvilly To: Prentiss Riddle cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? In-Reply-To: <199603072044.OAA12528@brazos.is.rice.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Carlos I McEvilly On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Prentiss Riddle wrote: > My question concerns the CGI script. A common problem with CGI scripts > which provide special access to web documents is that they fail to > honor the access control restrictions imposed when documents are > accessed through normal HTTP requests. ... Yes, CGI scripts can cheerfully dish out internal documents if you are not careful. However, the author of the CGI script can, by paying attention to security issues, make sure that only certain documents or directories are visible. People who install others' CGI scripts on their own systems should examine the scripts carefully first and make sure access is controlled. An insecure script would allow the user to type in directory and filename for retrieval (or worse, a command), then would oblige without first making sure the input was in a list of allowed directories, files, or commands. A secure script would allow access only to certain files or directories. It's hard to imagine that Adobe would botch this too badly, but thoroughly understanding any CGI script before installing it is always a good idea. Carlos McEvilly cim@lanl.gov 7-Mar-1996 22:30:07-GMT,2854;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16709 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:28:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA19170; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:18:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA19115 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:16:52 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 00:14 GMT+0200 X-Sender: tosolini@bcs-pop.iafrica.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: tosolini@lib.siu.edu (Paolo Tosolini, Italy) Subject: INTEC Virtual Book Project Demo Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: tosolini@lib.siu.edu (Paolo Tosolini, Italy) Hello all, Since the original RFC on this project was posted just two months ago, substantial progress has been made, which would not have been possible without the helpful participation of all the bright and interested people who responded and contributed their knowledge so readily. In a nutshell, the objective of the Virtual Book Project is to devise a practical means to convert existing text-based distance learning course material into an electronic format that will allow a student to read and study such courses directly off a PC screen without the need to print it out. The course would be enhanced with multimedia features, but would essentially retain its linear structure and would resemble a pageable book on the student's screen. The INTEC Virtual Book Project web site can be accessed at: http://www.intec.edu.za/book/v_book.htm There you can view sample pages from the prototypes that have been developed by Paolo Tosolini from Italy. Paolo has spent the past month at INTEC College in Cape Town researching and developing the project. The web demonstration he has constructed makes innovative use of frames to allow you to probe every feature of the Virtual Book so if you still don't have Netscape Ver.2.0, this is a good reason to get it now. The demo shows one prototype in ToolBook, and one in Adobe Acrobat. Our main reason for inviting you to look over our prototype is to request your comments and suggestions, so please make a point of sending us a comment, even if its just to introduce yourself. If you are unable to access the web, then feel free to contact me to ask for details about the project by e-mail and/or by attachments. We hope you find the project and the prototype interesting and look forward to hearing from you. KARL H. VON STADEN Director - INTEC College, Cape Town, South Africa karl@intec.edu.za (college) karlvs@iafrica.com (after hours) 7-Mar-1996 23:03:37-GMT,2464;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17785 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:03:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA19604; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:48:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA19545 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:46:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199603072245.QAA29060@glacier.binc.net> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:43:14 -0800 X-Sender: lynnt@inet1.inetworld.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: lynn teuscher Subject: Scanners - Capture Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: lynn teuscher Dave on March 5 you asked >We are in the process of evaluating Capture V1.01 and need some advice >on scanners that work "well" with Capture. I have the approved list of >scanners, but need some real life feedback on scanners. Speed is not a >critical issue, but accuracy, dependability, and ADF support is >essential. The documents will mainly be 8.5X11 business documents. Any >help will be appreciated. > >Thanks > I have been using a HP3C with an automatic document feeder with capture 1.0 since October. About 6 weeks ago I upgraded to Capture 1.01. I had some difficulty with the transition but generally it was successful. I am using windows 3.11. With the latest HP drivers and capture 1.01, the system does very well. I have found it to be very reliable. During the past two weeks, 4000 pages were scanned with only 3 or 4 paper jambs and no other major difficulties. With capture conversion to PDF (scanning and OCR) takes about 1 min per page. Then the document must be reviewed to correct errors. However, the scanner is reliable and the ADF works well. The OCR portion, depends critically on the quality of the original. I have had some material that is completed with almost no errors (a page from a magazine for example) whereas poor copies of typed material where the letters are not formed properly (bleeding or streaking has occured) will result is significantly more errors. Hope this helps - If you need more info let me know. Sorry about the delay in responding. I have been out for a few days. Lynn 7-Mar-1996 23:43:49-GMT,4743;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18242 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:43:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA19430; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:39:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA19391 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:37:20 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 17:15:50 PDT Message-Id: <9602078262.AA826237851@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU, acrobat@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: leann@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Help: PDF printing error Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com To print embedded EPS graphics placed in Illustrator, you should use Distiller. PDFWriter does not support embedded EPS graphics except as screen previews (bitmaps). To get full page sizes from AI 6.0, the ideal technique is: use your PostScript printer driver to select the Acrobat Distiller PPD. Then select Page Setup:Paper Size:Custom and type in the size of the poster in inches. Finally, Print to File as PostScript. Distiller's maximum page size is 45 x 45 inches. Alternatively, select Page Setup and type in a percentage reduction like 25% before creating your PostScript file from Illustrator. This will shrink the "virtual" imageable area by 25%. Acrobat doesn't care since all page sizes are virtual anyway in an electronic document! *** To specify an alternate PPD file, if you are using LaserWriter 8.x, select a PS printer,, then click Setup, then click Manual setup to select the Distiller PPD manually (it can be found in the Distiller:Xtras directory). If you are using PSPrinter 8.3 (Adobe Part Number 0197-3153) you can select an alternative PPD by using the Virtual Printer popup. Follow the instructions that come with PSPrinter. It lets you quickly switch from a networked printer to alternate PPDs like Distiller's. Regarding the Limitcheck error: if the path that was too complex for your printer's RAM was found in a placed EPS file, Illustrator's "split long paths" command won't effect it. The solution to this problem is to get more printer RAM or reduce path complexity in the originating application. If your printer is a Level 2 PostScript device, it uses RAM more efficiently so you should not have this problem as often. Hope this helps! Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems Inc _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Help: PDF printing error From: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU at cc_smtp5 Date: 3/6/96 11:39 AM Hi, I'm having a problem that I hope someone can help me with. I lay out 30" x 40" posters using Illustrator, which I usually print tiled before trimming and pasting up. While using Illustrator 5.5, I realized I could save these posters in pdf format, open them in Acrobat Exchange 2.1, and print them to 8 1/2" by 11" by checking off the "shrink to fit" option. This ability has become essential for providing handouts at poster presentations. Recently, I upgraded to Illustrator 6.0. This time, when saving to pdf format, I found that the poster was tiled using the last PPD I'd used when printing -- which means I no longer get a single pdf page. I then found a workaround -- the PDFwriter driver 2.0. Now I choose it, set the page size to Custom (30" x 40") and check off "Use Page Setup" in the Document Setup dialog for Illustrator. This allows me to print a single page in pdf format. I have placed postscript files output from Framemaker 5 into an Illustrator file, printed it to pdf, then printed successfully from Acrobat Exchange to an 8 1/2" by 11" page. However, I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints partially with this postscript error message: ERROR: limitcheck OFFENDING COMMAND: save STACK: I've tried everything I know about (and some things I don't know very well). I've placed postscript; opened the postscript and copied it directly into the Illustrator file then checked off "split long paths" and lowered the print resolution; and, finally, opened and copied eps into the Illustrator file, also with "split long paths" and a lower print resolution. (There are total of 3 files -- single pages -- which I have either placed or copied into the Illustrator file.) The Illustrator file itself prints correctly as tiled. Any suggestions? Please copy my personal email address as well as the newsgroup. Thank you. LeAnn 7-Mar-1996 23:47:48-GMT,3105;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18298 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:47:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA20320; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:38:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA20254 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:35:32 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199603072335.SAA13222@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? To: riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:35:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199603072044.OAA12528@brazos.is.rice.edu> from "Prentiss Riddle" at Mar 7, 96 02:44:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse [. . .] > The Amber FAQ says: > > Page-at-a-time display requires a web server with byteserver > capability, either built-in (as with future Netscape and Open > Market server products) or using a CGI script. Adobe plans to > freely distribute the CGI script when it is finalized. > > My question concerns the CGI script. A common problem with CGI scripts > which provide special access to web documents is that they fail to > honor the access control restrictions imposed when documents are > accessed through normal HTTP requests. [. . .] > Is there any indication that the folks at Adobe working on the > byteserver CGI script have thought of this problem? Prentiss: This is a very interesting question (to which I do not know the answer -- maybe someone from Adobe will chime in with a more definitive response). Keep in mind that (as I understand it) the CGI script is for those web servers that do not natively support byte-range URLs -- which I believe the current versions of the Netscape and Open Market servers do. Byte-range downloading is a proposed IETF standard which will hopefully be supported by all web servers in the future. For the details take a look at: ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-http-range-retrieval-00.txt In other words, if you need file- or directory-level access controls on your web server (such as that maintained through .htaccess files) and you want to deliver Amberized files, you might want to consider one of these options. Again, I should point out that all this is pure speculation on my part -- I haven't actually done any of this. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8-Mar-1996 4:20:58-GMT,1777;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA27176 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:20:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA22236; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:16:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA22079 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:02:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:08:42 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199603080408.NAA22207@gol1.gol.com> X-Sender: roger@popmail.gol.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: "Roger D. Williams" Subject: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Roger D. Williams" We are nearing the end of the production of our first complete PDF version of a magazine we had previously been producing in PM5 only for printing. We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. Any suggestions what this could be? We are looking into whether we've been using the fine tracking commands to bring hyphens to a more desirable point, or other track-related things, but this is grasping at straws. Knowledgeable help would be really appreciated! Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: www.gol.com/adex Niftyserve: CXQ10206 8-Mar-1996 4:20:58-GMT,1777;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA27176 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:20:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA22236; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:16:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA22079 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:02:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:08:42 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199603080408.NAA22207@gol1.gol.com> X-Sender: roger@popmail.gol.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: "Roger D. Williams" Subject: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Roger D. Williams" We are nearing the end of the production of our first complete PDF version of a magazine we had previously been producing in PM5 only for printing. We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. Any suggestions what this could be? We are looking into whether we've been using the fine tracking commands to bring hyphens to a more desirable point, or other track-related things, but this is grasping at straws. Knowledgeable help would be really appreciated! Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: www.gol.com/adex Niftyserve: CXQ10206 8-Mar-1996 6:35:42-GMT,1146;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA27899 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:35:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA23704; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:29:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA23672 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:27:15 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:26:59 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199603080726.RAA01711@tornado.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: mdf@pop.netspace.net.au (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Subject: Win32s Error Distiller X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Have tried to install Distiller 2.1 on a machine running Windows 95. Before setup.exe launches a mesage comes up on the screen which says something like "this program is not a Win32s application". Can't get past this point. Any ideas? 8-Mar-1996 13:04:41-GMT,3806;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.3]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00687; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:04:37 -0700 (MST) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id GAA05350; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:04:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:04:35 -0700 (MST) To: "Roger D. Williams" Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, pdf-l@emrg.com X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF Message-ID: >> ... >> ... We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not >> accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, >> but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) >> shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. ... >> ... One possibility is a mismatch in font metrics, notably, character widths, between the time the text formatting system produced the PostScript, and Distiller converted the PostScript to PDF. Alternatively, you may be running into what in the TeX world is called the ``maxdrift'' problem, which arises because of differences in rounding precise character widths to pixel widths on the output device. TeX DVI drivers often have an option to allow the user to control how far off the error in character positioning can be, e.g. -maxdrift 3 says that when the error is larger than 3 pixels on the output device, correct the positioning by an absolute move. To understand where this comes from, consider the string "abcdefg" in a fixed-width font size where each character's width is 6.52 pixels on the current output device. The true width of the string is then 45.64 pixels. However, the device must display those characters either with width 6, or with width 7. In the former case, the string will have width 42 pixels, and in the latter, 49 pixels, for errors of -3.64, or +3.36, pixels. Since even at 300dpi, a 1-pixel error is observable to a human reader, this is a large error. If the horizontal positioning is not corrected within the word, but only between words, then the error will be less noticeable, since it is absorbed by interword spacing. However, in a long string, the error may become so large that the string could potentially overlap with a following string, so a correction must be undertaken in the middle of the word. The abnormal intercharacter spacing that ensues is jarring to the eye. Where this problem is seen most often is in fixed-width fonts because the error in each character width is the same, whereas with variable width fonts, some of the errors will have opposite signs, so there will be some cancellation of error. Thus, a worst case is seen with text like this in a font such as Courier: ************************************************************************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ************************************************************************* ======================================================================== Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 Department of Mathematics, 105 JWB Internet: beebe@math.utah.edu University of Utah URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA ======================================================================== 8-Mar-1996 13:09:58-GMT,4088;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA00719 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:09:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA25781; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 07:08:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA25747 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 07:04:57 -0600 From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:04:35 -0700 (MST) To: "Roger D. Williams" Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, pdf-l@emrg.com X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" >> ... >> ... We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not >> accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, >> but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) >> shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. ... >> ... One possibility is a mismatch in font metrics, notably, character widths, between the time the text formatting system produced the PostScript, and Distiller converted the PostScript to PDF. Alternatively, you may be running into what in the TeX world is called the ``maxdrift'' problem, which arises because of differences in rounding precise character widths to pixel widths on the output device. TeX DVI drivers often have an option to allow the user to control how far off the error in character positioning can be, e.g. -maxdrift 3 says that when the error is larger than 3 pixels on the output device, correct the positioning by an absolute move. To understand where this comes from, consider the string "abcdefg" in a fixed-width font size where each character's width is 6.52 pixels on the current output device. The true width of the string is then 45.64 pixels. However, the device must display those characters either with width 6, or with width 7. In the former case, the string will have width 42 pixels, and in the latter, 49 pixels, for errors of -3.64, or +3.36, pixels. Since even at 300dpi, a 1-pixel error is observable to a human reader, this is a large error. If the horizontal positioning is not corrected within the word, but only between words, then the error will be less noticeable, since it is absorbed by interword spacing. However, in a long string, the error may become so large that the string could potentially overlap with a following string, so a correction must be undertaken in the middle of the word. The abnormal intercharacter spacing that ensues is jarring to the eye. Where this problem is seen most often is in fixed-width fonts because the error in each character width is the same, whereas with variable width fonts, some of the errors will have opposite signs, so there will be some cancellation of error. Thus, a worst case is seen with text like this in a font such as Courier: ************************************************************************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ************************************************************************* ======================================================================== Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 Department of Mathematics, 105 JWB Internet: beebe@math.utah.edu University of Utah URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA ======================================================================== 8-Mar-1996 14:46:21-GMT,5053;000000000001 Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01232 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 07:46:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp5.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP id QQagdv04259; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from fisc.UUCP by uucp5.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:46:14 -0500 Received: by fisc (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0tv3AC-0001cYC; Fri, 8 Mar 96 09:29 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri Mar 8 09:28:59 1996 From: TIE-MAILER-DAEMON@fisc.com Subject: Return Mail--Invalid TAO ID(s) To: beebe@math.utah.edu The TAO Internet E-mail Gateway could NOT deliver your message to the following invalid @fisc.com TAO mail ID's (all other @fisc.com TAO recipients addressed received your message): Tina.Thompson@fisc.com ----------------------> Document Follows <--------------------- Received: from uunet by fisc with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0tv34i-0001cga; Fri, 8 Mar 96 09:23 EST Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP id QQagdr29801; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA25767; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 07:05:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA25747 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 07:04:57 -0600 From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 06:04:35 -0700 (MST) To: "Roger D. Williams" Cc: uunet!math.utah.edu!beebe, uunet!emrg.com!pdf-l X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF Message-ID: Sender: fisc!uunet!emrg.com!owner-pdf-l Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" >> ... >> ... We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not >> accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, >> but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) >> shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. ... >> ... One possibility is a mismatch in font metrics, notably, character widths, between the time the text formatting system produced the PostScript, and Distiller converted the PostScript to PDF. Alternatively, you may be running into what in the TeX world is called the ``maxdrift'' problem, which arises because of differences in rounding precise character widths to pixel widths on the output device. TeX DVI drivers often have an option to allow the user to control how far off the error in character positioning can be, e.g. -maxdrift 3 says that when the error is larger than 3 pixels on the output device, correct the positioning by an absolute move. To understand where this comes from, consider the string "abcdefg" in a fixed-width font size where each character's width is 6.52 pixels on the current output device. The true width of the string is then 45.64 pixels. However, the device must display those characters either with width 6, or with width 7. In the former case, the string will have width 42 pixels, and in the latter, 49 pixels, for errors of -3.64, or +3.36, pixels. Since even at 300dpi, a 1-pixel error is observable to a human reader, this is a large error. If the horizontal positioning is not corrected within the word, but only between words, then the error will be less noticeable, since it is absorbed by interword spacing. However, in a long string, the error may become so large that the string could potentially overlap with a following string, so a correction must be undertaken in the middle of the word. The abnormal intercharacter spacing that ensues is jarring to the eye. Where this problem is seen most often is in fixed-width fonts because the error in each character width is the same, whereas with variable width fonts, some of the errors will have opposite signs, so there will be some cancellation of error. Thus, a worst case is seen with text like this in a font such as Courier: ************************************************************************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ************************************************************************* ======================================================================== Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 Department of Mathematics, 105 JWB Internet: beebe@math.utah.edu University of Utah URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA ======================================================================== 8-Mar-1996 17:31:06-GMT,1398;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05306 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:30:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA27104; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:28:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA27067 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:24:28 -0600 From: megazine@usa.net Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:23:56 -0700 Reply-To: Kathy Prochnow/Prochnow and Prochnow Message-Id: <199603081723.KAA29983@mail.usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New PDFs To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: megazine@usa.net P.publishing has opened a site for the distribution of six PDF journals. These twice monthly FREE PDFs are available @: http://www.p-pub.com Here is a brief rundown on each journal along with its intended audience and current issue topics: Studio [architect & designers] Green Architecture 350F [cooks & food lovers] Mardi Gras miniatura [model makers] Origami eVO [Internet users] Computer Decency Act 78 [Internet programmers] VRML 10x [biologists & naturalists] Crayfish Dave Prochnow MrDave@p-pub.com 8-Mar-1996 19:13:43-GMT,1427;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06522 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:09:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27598; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:05:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA27557 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:02:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 18:59 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: A simple request To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199603080550.XAA22899@grandcanyon.binc.net> >From Peter Mathews Computerstream (pmathews@computerstream.co.uk) Manchester Hello world - I have been asked this afternoon, if any research materials exist on the subject of paper information -vs- screen based information. Our client is a PR Consultancy who have agreed to provide information on this subject to one of their clients. I guess we're talking ergonomics, acceptability, costs etc. Any web sites or PDF files lurking around, please point me towards them, or just send them to me on the above address. Regards to all Peter Mathews. 8-Mar-1996 20:12:28-GMT,1210;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07122 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27914; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:38:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA27851 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:34:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller From: Wm Pitzer To: "Gary Gatien" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:33:05 +0000 Message-Id: 14330560600453@westvirginia.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Wm Pitzer Gary: I'm not sure if anyone else has had this problem, but I have some Illustrator 5.5 files on a Mac that didn't completly translate to PDF when using Distiller. I could only get them to work by using the PDF Writer. These are large (3 Mb) illustrated graphics with lots of gradients and blends. Wm Pitzer PitzoGraphics 8-Mar-1996 20:12:31-GMT,3320;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07126 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:12:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27721; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:14:03 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA27653 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:11:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:24:00 -0800 (PST) From: Dick Gaskill Message-Id: <199603081824.KAA29927@birch.ag3d.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, roger@gol.com Subject: Re: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF Cc: dickg@ag3d.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Dick Gaskill Roger, You didn't say anything about the system you are running, but I know for sure that it can make a LOT of difference. We make video cards here and (of course) have tested a lot of cards besides our own. The problem may be caused by your display driver, not the PDF file. Many video cards and/or their drivers do not handle fonts the same way at different magnifications. The fonts seem to spread out or contract on the screen. This is especially true for spaces, and justified text is full of odd spaces. Try other applications and see what happens. Also, what happens when you PRINT the file. Does it stay correctly justified? I'd bet it does. The problem could also be caused by the font metrics of the particular font you are using. Try a different font and see what happens. -dg AccelGraphics, Inc. @@ 1942 Zanker Road, @@@@ San Jose, CA 95112 @@ @@@@@@ @@ Dick Gaskill (408)441-1556 (main) @ @@@ @@@ @@ Technical Publications Manager (408)441-1599 (fax) @ @@@ @@@ @@ (408)467-5020 dickg@ag3d.com ____________________ @ @@@ @@@ @@@ _____________________________ (800)444-5699 (sales) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@ Customer Support http://www.ag3d.com @@@@ @@@@ (408)441-1582 info@ag3d.com @@@@ @@@@@@ support@ag3d.com ftp.ag3d.com @@@@ @@@@ ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:08:42 +0900 (JST) To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: "Roger D. Williams" Subject: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com We are nearing the end of the production of our first complete PDF version of a magazine we had previously been producing in PM5 only for printing. We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. Any suggestions what this could be? We are looking into whether we've been using the fine tracking commands to bring hyphens to a more desirable point, or other track-related things, but this is grasping at straws. Knowledgeable help would be really appreciated! Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: www.gol.com/adex Niftyserve: CXQ10206 ----- End Included Message ----- 8-Mar-1996 20:42:38-GMT,1975;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07377 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:42:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28446; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:19:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA28403 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:16:59 -0600 Message-ID: <3140C044.60C6@cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 15:18:28 -0800 From: "Michael A. Friedman" Reply-To: maf3@cornell.edu Organization: Albert R. Mann Library X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com CC: Howard Raskin , Bill Garrison , jreuer@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Capture and Vectra References: <199603070550.XAA10603@grandcanyon.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Michael A. Friedman" I have been trying to scan documents with Adobe Capture since the middle of February with very little success. I have followed all of the advice I have gotten on this list and from Adobe. I thank all of you who have tried to help us. Does anyone else run Capture on a HP Vectra XM series 3 5/100???? There was a documented problem from Adobe with an earlier version of HP's BIOS and the Capture. The word from Adobe is that they don't know of any conflict with the newer BIOS. We just purchased our Vectra 2/15/96 and according to HP we have the most recent BIOS. In essence the Vectra is unusable for using Capture as it stands now. Any help would be greatly appreciated. michael -- Michael A. Friedman Full Text Specialist Albert R. Mann Library Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 607-255-5680 maf3@cornell.edu 8-Mar-1996 20:53:06-GMT,37287;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07380 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:42:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27996; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:42:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA27953 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:40:46 -0600 From: owner-pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:50:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199603080550.XAA22899@grandcanyon.binc.net> To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Subject: PDF-DIGEST for March-7-96 [V1 #182] Reply-To: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: owner-pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net PDF-DIGEST Thursday, 7 March 1996 Volume 01 : Number 182 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 21 messages totalling 1057 lines in this issue. Topics of the Day: 1. A request and a question. 2. Re: A request and a question. 3. Re- Help- PDF printing erro 4. Exchange prints/Reader doesn't 5. Re: Fonts disappearing on PCI Powermac 6. Re: Re- Help- PDF printing erro 7. Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller 8. Re: Some doubts 9. Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screens 10. ENDLESS LOOP 11. Re: no doubts please! 12. Re: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller 13. Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? 14. Re: Pagemaker-to-Acrobat: Cut-off pages 15. Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots 16. Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? 17. INTEC Virtual Book Project Demo 18. Re: Help: PDF printing error 19. Scanners - Capture 20. Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? 21. Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:10:38 +0008 Subject: A request and a question. Hello all. Does anybody have a copy of PDFMAKER.PM6 for the PC? This allows you to set the preferences for "Create Adobe PDF..." option in PageMaker, but I can't find a copy of it. Second, I'm pretty careful and only used Times and Helvetica (and yes, I do like beehive hairdos) in a document, expecting that it would the built in fonts. On examination, I see its using "Custom5." What the heck is that? The size of the PDF is a critical issue here, so how can I save a few bytes (or am I already?) TIA, ~~~~~~~~~~~~:> Kent "Snake" Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake - --------------------------------------------------- "The sad thing about artificial intelligence is that it lacks artifice and therefore intelligence." - -- Jean Baudrillard ------------------------------ From: Phil Smith Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 09:34:17 +0000 Subject: Re: A request and a question. In your message of Thu, 07 Mar 1996 02:10:38 +0008 you said: >Second, I'm pretty careful and only used Times and Helvetica (and >yes, I do like beehive hairdos) in a document, expecting that it >would the built in fonts. On examination, I see its using "Custom5." No it isn't! The "Custom 5" sounds to me like the encoding, not the font. Applications can reencode fonts however they like, so as to match the character set of the system they're running on. I think that in this case, Custom 5 is a name which Acrobat Exchange/Reader (whatever you're using) has given to the custom encoding in the PDF file. This should be clear from the column headings in File > Document Info > Fonts... I'm currently looking at this dialog in Solaris Reader. For each font, it gives the original font name and type, the encoding (e.g. Standard, MacRoman or Custom 5) and the name and type of the font actually used. If a font is embedded the used font will be "Embedded". If the font is not embedded and is not available on your system, it will be a substitute "AdobeSansMM" or "AdobeSerifMM". If a font subset has been embedded, it's original font name will be preceded by 6 upper-case letters and a plus sign. I hope this clears things up. Of course there's a very slim chance that you actually have a font called "Custom5" perhaps generated on the fly by whatever generated the PDF, but this really is pretty unlikely. Phil. - ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK ------------------------------ From: "Ted Goessling" Date: 7 Mar 1996 07:53:58 U Subject: Re- Help- PDF printing erro Subject: Re: Help: PDF printing error Date:3/7/96 Time: 7:28 AM LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU writes: > I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which > won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints > partially with this postscript error message: > > ERROR: limitcheck > OFFENDING COMMAND: save > STACK: If you are working with a Macintosh, (which I assume you are) this may help. I had a similar problem (not with PDF) that I traced to the "Smooth Text" and "Smooth Graphics" commands in the Page Setup... options. I was trying to print a document at a smaller scale. When I turned these features off, it printed just fine. My only guess was that enabling them somehow overwhelmed some computational process on the machine. The problem sure sounds like it has to do with the degree to which you are shrinking the file. It might help diagnose the problem if you experiment with various page reduction settings in the Page Setup... dialog that will shrink the poster, but not all the way to 1 page. See if you get the same message if the poster is shrunken to fit onto 2 pages. Good Luck! ====================================================================== Ted Goessling ted.goessling@mts.com Technology Analyst 14000 Technology Drive MTS Systems Corporation Eden Prairie, MN 55344 ====================================================================== ------------------------------ From: LaVonna Funkhouser Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 07:59:54 -0600 Subject: Exchange prints/Reader doesn't Situation: I have Acrobat Exchange 2.1, but when I installed it, I kept Acrobat Reader 2.1 so I could "test" my files. However, sometimes documents that print fine from Exchange give me an error and won't print from my Reader. (The error is "An error occurred while downloading a font. This document might not print correctly," but I always check "include downloadable fonts.") I worried about this for several hours until I realized that it prints fine from other people's Reader 2.1 apps. These other people don't have Exchange, and they might have different printers. (I have a Lexmark 4079 color printer and an HP4MV postscript laser printer.) My theory: Reader and Exchange share some .ini or DLL file somewhere that doesn't like for me to have both of them installed at the same time. Question: Can anyone expand on this theory or help me solve this mystery? Thanks! LaVonna LaVonna F. Funkhouser, COREComm lffunkhouser@halnet.com (work) You are invited to browse our web site: http://www.corecomm.com/corecomm/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My opinions do not officially represent anyone other than me. ------------------------------ From: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:30:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Fonts disappearing on PCI Powermac >Has anyone experienced fonts disappearing in PDF documents >(possibly font subsets) not displaying on a 7200/90 >powermac. 2.1 distiller used, 2.1 reader used! MacWorld and MacWeek (I think) have recently reported that there is a mysterious font corruption phenomenon occurring on new Macs everywhere. I wish I could provide you with the citation for the article. If you really want it, log onto their web sites and search the index by keyword. Perhaps what you're experiencing is related. We have just invested in FontBox to help address some of these reported problems. Dean Norton +----------------------------------------------------+ | | | AGRICULTURAL BIOTECHNOLOGY | | FOR SUSTAINABLE PRODUCTIVITY | | ABSP Project | | Michigan State University | | 414 Plant & Soil Sciences Building | | East Lansing, MI 48824-1325 | | voice: (517) 353-2290 | | FAX: (517) 432-1982 | | | +----------------------------------------------------+ | DEAN P. NORTON e-mail: nortond@isl.msu.edu | +----------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 09:43:46 EST Subject: Re: Re- Help- PDF printing erro In message you write: >Subject: Re: Help: PDF printing error Date:3/7/96 Time: 7:28 AM > >LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU writes: > >> I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which >> won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints >> partially with this postscript error message: >> >> ERROR: limitcheck >> OFFENDING COMMAND: save >> STACK: > >If you are working with a Macintosh, (which I assume you are) this may help. >I had a similar problem (not with PDF) that I traced to the "Smooth Text" and >"Smooth Graphics" commands in the Page Setup... options. I was trying to >print a document at a smaller scale. When I turned these features off, it >printed just fine. My only guess was that enabling them somehow overwhelmed >some computational process on the machine. > >The problem sure sounds like it has to do with the degree to which you are >shrinking the file. It might help diagnose the problem if you experiment with >various page reduction settings in the Page Setup... dialog that will shrink >the poster, but not all the way to 1 page. See if you get the same message if >the poster is shrunken to fit onto 2 pages. > >Good Luck! > >====================================================================== > Ted Goessling ted.goessling@mts.com > Technology Analyst 14000 Technology Drive > MTS Systems Corporation Eden Prairie, MN 55344 >====================================================================== Thanks for the tip -- I hadn't quite gotten to trying that one yet. However, I did think of another approach before I got your advice that turned out to work (while your tip about unchecking the "Smooth Text" and "Smooth Graphics" unfortunately didn't work for the page reduction I was looking for; I suspect trying various page reductions would also not matter given my final solution). And, yes, I am working on a Macintosh. Sorry for forgetting that detail. The graphics created in Framemaker contained equations (the main reason I didn't just recreate them in Illustrator) and they were saved as eps files. I finally realized that PDF Writer just wasn't going to convert them well enough to print out. So, I used Distiller to convert the graphics themselves into pdf format, then copied and pasted them into a pdf version of my poster (created with PDF Writer so that I could get the large-format output). I was able to print this out successfully on an 8 1/2" by 11" sheet. I can't tell you how happy I am now. LeAnn ------------------------------ From: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:15:07 -0400 Subject: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller The answer may be obvious to everyone but me, but I''ve never understood why someone would choose creating a pdf file via PDF Writer vs. using Distiller. Are there advantages/disadvantages to each method? Does it depend on your authoring software, or perhaps the complexity of your document? I can't find any clear statement on this in the Adobe literature. Does anyone understand why and when I'd want to select one method of creating pdf files over another? Thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment you can provide. Gary. Gary M. Gatien Mechanical Dynamics 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48105 email: ggati@adams.com FAX: (313) 994-6418 ph: (313) 913-2525 ------------------------------ From: Karl Schmidtmann Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:20:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Some doubts Aguinaldo: At Software Partners we have a redlining tool that works with Acrobat Exchange on the Mac and Windows platforms. Called Re:mark, you can download an evaluation copy from either our Web site (www.buckaroo.com) or from that of our friends at Emerge (www.emrg.com). Please contact me directly if you have any questions. Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners kschmidt@buckaroo.com 804-984-5500 At 09:13 PM 3/7/96 -0800, Aguinaldo CamposJr wrote: >Hello All > > I have some questions about PDF, I'm entering this group now and >I'm implementing PDF Format files in the company I work. I would like to know >about some product to make redline comments over a PDF file. I heard about a >product from rosetta (www.rosetta.com), but I left a bunch of message and I >got no response. >Could someone help me indicating some product that do that. I'm using Acrobat >files in conjunction with TDM-Formtek's Product/ > >Thanks in advance > >Best Regards >-- > >+----------------------------------------------------------+ >| Aguinaldo CamposJr INTERNET Consultor | >|----------------------------------------------------------| >| Joinville - BR | Phone: 55-47-441-2834 | >| | Fax: 55-47-441-2225 | >| | E-mail: acj2net@netvill.com.br | >|----------------------------------------------------------| >| WWW: http://www.netville.com.br/~acj2net/aguinco1.html | >+----------------------------------------------------------+ > > ------------------------------ From: Gernot Huber Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 10:55:00 P Subject: Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screens Thank you everyone who told me how to turn off the autofilter in the example.ps file to force LZW rather than JPEG compression. Gary Cosimini (gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com) writes: >[The automatic compression method] filter can be defeated by editing the >file "Example.ps" in Distiller's Startup directory: see comments below. >While it might be possible for this filter to be confused, I haven't heard >of this before. Try disabling it if you still seem to be getting JPEGged >screen captures. Disabling the autofilter did the trick. Thank you. That does mean that the autofilter is indeed confused. I knew about the autofilter before I sent off my query, but because neither the GUI nor the online help gave an option to turn it off and because the online help assured me (page 78 of help_d.pdf) that the autofilter uses JPEG compression only for 16 and 24 bit images (while mine were only 8 bit) I didn't think that doing something to the autofilter would solve this problem. I don't think that I have to point out what a great example of abysmal interface design this situation is. Providing a dialog box that allows the user to chose between JPEG or LZW compression and then adding a "feature" that overrides this user selection without telling the user is careless at best. I have a feeling that the answer is that Adobe wanted to add the autofilter feature but didn't have time to rewrite the dialog box. Maybe it would have been better to leave out the autofilter then. Even if you decided to put it in anyway, there still is no excuse for not explaining the situation in the online help and explaining how to turn off the autofilter. A blemish on an otherwise great product, Gernot Huber EPR, Inc. ------------------------------ From: CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 13:26:27 CST Subject: ENDLESS LOOP We are about to start a new project in which we will be using the security option in Exchange to protect the document from changes. We will also be using Catalog to index our files. The problem we have experienced in testing this, is that after we save a file with the Security option enabled, this changes the document and we have to reindex the file. Otherwise, we get an error message that file has been updated and words won't be highlighted. When we go to reindex the file in Catalog we get the message that the file isn't able to be opened (because the Security function is on). If we turn the security feature off so it can be reindexed then the document is no longer protected from changes and we have defeated our original purpose. Has anyone else came across this problem or might have a solution? Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Thank You Cassandra ------------------------------ From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 15:22:36 PST Subject: Re: no doubts please! Aguinaldo: Software Partners' Re:mark plugin lets you do just that. You can download a demo from www.emrg.com. What is TDM-Formtek? Do they integrate Exchange in some way? Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Some doubts From: Aguinaldo CamposJr at cc_smtp2 Date: 3/6/96 7:06 PM Hello All I have some questions about PDF, I'm entering this group now and I'm implementing PDF Format files in the company I work. I would like to know about some product to make redline comments over a PDF file. I heard about a product from rosetta (www.rosetta.com), but I left a bunch of message and I got no response. Could someone help me indicating some product that do that. I'm using Acrobat files in conjunction with TDM-Formtek's Product/ Thanks in advance Best Regards - -- +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Aguinaldo CamposJr INTERNET Consultor | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Joinville - BR | Phone: 55-47-441-2834 | | | Fax: 55-47-441-2225 | | | E-mail: acj2net@netvill.com.br | |----------------------------------------------------------| | WWW: http://www.netville.com.br/~acj2net/aguinco1.html | +----------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Dick Gaskill Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:27:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Hi Gary, I see that others on the framers list are now subscribing to the Acrobat lists too. I have the feeling Adobe is making a lot of money on Acrobat because they give the reader away. Works for me, anyway, I just published my first online manual and the boss is happy because we reduced the cost of publishing the docs by 85%. The only answer I know about is that the PDF file is a lot smaller when you use the distiller instead of the PDFwriter. Makes a big difference if you have to get the file on one floppy for distribution. - -dg - ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:15:07 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) Subject: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com The answer may be obvious to everyone but me, but I''ve never understood why someone would choose creating a pdf file via PDF Writer vs. using Distiller. Are there advantages/disadvantages to each method? Does it depend on your authoring software, or perhaps the complexity of your document? I can't find any clear statement on this in the Adobe literature. Does anyone understand why and when I'd want to select one method of creating pdf files over another? Thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment you can provide. Gary. Gary M. Gatien Mechanical Dynamics 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48105 email: ggati@adams.com FAX: (313) 994-6418 ph: (313) 913-2525 - ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ From: Prentiss Riddle Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:44:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? I'm not heavily into PDF and related technology, so forgive me if I'm asking a question which has already been addressed, but here goes. I've been reading the documents at http://www.adobe.com/Amber and I see that taking advantage of the "page-at-a-time" features supported by Amber will require special capabilities on the web server. The Amber FAQ says: Page-at-a-time display requires a web server with byteserver capability, either built-in (as with future Netscape and Open Market server products) or using a CGI script. Adobe plans to freely distribute the CGI script when it is finalized. My question concerns the CGI script. A common problem with CGI scripts which provide special access to web documents is that they fail to honor the access control restrictions imposed when documents are accessed through normal HTTP requests. This is usually the case whether the CGI script accesses the files locally (because the CGI script doesn't understand or honor the local web server's access control mechanism, e.g., NCSA httpd .htaccess files) or the CGI script makes retrievals via HTTP (because the ultimate server will see the request as coming from the gateway's IP address rather than the end-client's IP address). For this reason, CGI scripts which can be used to request an arbitrary document constitute a serious security risk for any site which has documents it doesn't want the whole world to see. Is there any indication that the folks at Adobe working on the byteserver CGI script have thought of this problem? - -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu - -- RiceInfo Administrator, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle - -- Home office: 2002-A Guadalupe St. #285, Austin, TX 78705 / 512-323-0708 ------------------------------ From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 15:32:22 PST Subject: Re: Pagemaker-to-Acrobat: Cut-off pages Theresa: Use Distiller to process PageMaker documents. This will fix your problem. PDFWriter is for simple desktop applications like word processors and spreadsheets. PM 6.0 upgrades come with a Distiller. Gary _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Pagemaker-to-Acrobat: Cut-off pages From: Theresa Norton at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/27/96 5:24 AM We have a manual in Pagemaker 5.0 for Windows that has facing pages for landscape tables. We set up the Pagemaker file to "build booklet" in order to keep the facing pages when we print to PDFWriter. Unfortunately, though, when we view the file in Acrobat Reader, the pages are shifted and cut-off. Everything looks fine in Pagemaker. Does anyone have a suggestion for fixing this? We tried changing the page size, but are still having the problem. Thanks in advance. Theresa Norton theresan@wpo.jhpiego.org JHPIEGO/Johns Hopkins Program for International Education in Reproductive Health ------------------------------ From: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 13:30:36 -0800 Subject: Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Kendall Whitehouse wrote: >Automatic image filtering is a great new addition to version 2.1 of >Acrobat Distiller. Adobe needs to update the product's user interface >to better communicate the behavior of this feature. In the meantime, >you'll need to edit the Distiller's Startup file if you want to take >full control of the Distiller's settings. I completely agree! The automatic image filtering is a needed feature. Since I wasn't aware of it, I assumed the dialog box let me control the type of compression. This is something that Adobe needs to resolve in their next release. - -- Patrick R. Kane ------------------------------ From: Carlos I McEvilly Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:05:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Prentiss Riddle wrote: > My question concerns the CGI script. A common problem with CGI scripts > which provide special access to web documents is that they fail to > honor the access control restrictions imposed when documents are > accessed through normal HTTP requests. ... Yes, CGI scripts can cheerfully dish out internal documents if you are not careful. However, the author of the CGI script can, by paying attention to security issues, make sure that only certain documents or directories are visible. People who install others' CGI scripts on their own systems should examine the scripts carefully first and make sure access is controlled. An insecure script would allow the user to type in directory and filename for retrieval (or worse, a command), then would oblige without first making sure the input was in a list of allowed directories, files, or commands. A secure script would allow access only to certain files or directories. It's hard to imagine that Adobe would botch this too badly, but thoroughly understanding any CGI script before installing it is always a good idea. Carlos McEvilly cim@lanl.gov ------------------------------ From: tosolini@lib.siu.edu (Paolo Tosolini, Italy) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 00:14 GMT+0200 Subject: INTEC Virtual Book Project Demo Hello all, Since the original RFC on this project was posted just two months ago, substantial progress has been made, which would not have been possible without the helpful participation of all the bright and interested people who responded and contributed their knowledge so readily. In a nutshell, the objective of the Virtual Book Project is to devise a practical means to convert existing text-based distance learning course material into an electronic format that will allow a student to read and study such courses directly off a PC screen without the need to print it out. The course would be enhanced with multimedia features, but would essentially retain its linear structure and would resemble a pageable book on the student's screen. The INTEC Virtual Book Project web site can be accessed at: http://www.intec.edu.za/book/v_book.htm There you can view sample pages from the prototypes that have been developed by Paolo Tosolini from Italy. Paolo has spent the past month at INTEC College in Cape Town researching and developing the project. The web demonstration he has constructed makes innovative use of frames to allow you to probe every feature of the Virtual Book so if you still don't have Netscape Ver.2.0, this is a good reason to get it now. The demo shows one prototype in ToolBook, and one in Adobe Acrobat. Our main reason for inviting you to look over our prototype is to request your comments and suggestions, so please make a point of sending us a comment, even if its just to introduce yourself. If you are unable to access the web, then feel free to contact me to ask for details about the project by e-mail and/or by attachments. We hope you find the project and the prototype interesting and look forward to hearing from you. KARL H. VON STADEN Director - INTEC College, Cape Town, South Africa karl@intec.edu.za (college) karlvs@iafrica.com (after hours) ------------------------------ From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 17:15:50 PDT Subject: Re: Help: PDF printing error To print embedded EPS graphics placed in Illustrator, you should use Distiller. PDFWriter does not support embedded EPS graphics except as screen previews (bitmaps). To get full page sizes from AI 6.0, the ideal technique is: use your PostScript printer driver to select the Acrobat Distiller PPD. Then select Page Setup:Paper Size:Custom and type in the size of the poster in inches. Finally, Print to File as PostScript. Distiller's maximum page size is 45 x 45 inches. Alternatively, select Page Setup and type in a percentage reduction like 25% before creating your PostScript file from Illustrator. This will shrink the "virtual" imageable area by 25%. Acrobat doesn't care since all page sizes are virtual anyway in an electronic document! *** To specify an alternate PPD file, if you are using LaserWriter 8.x, select a PS printer,, then click Setup, then click Manual setup to select the Distiller PPD manually (it can be found in the Distiller:Xtras directory). If you are using PSPrinter 8.3 (Adobe Part Number 0197-3153) you can select an alternative PPD by using the Virtual Printer popup. Follow the instructions that come with PSPrinter. It lets you quickly switch from a networked printer to alternate PPDs like Distiller's. Regarding the Limitcheck error: if the path that was too complex for your printer's RAM was found in a placed EPS file, Illustrator's "split long paths" command won't effect it. The solution to this problem is to get more printer RAM or reduce path complexity in the originating application. If your printer is a Level 2 PostScript device, it uses RAM more efficiently so you should not have this problem as often. Hope this helps! Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems Inc _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Help: PDF printing error From: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU at cc_smtp5 Date: 3/6/96 11:39 AM Hi, I'm having a problem that I hope someone can help me with. I lay out 30" x 40" posters using Illustrator, which I usually print tiled before trimming and pasting up. While using Illustrator 5.5, I realized I could save these posters in pdf format, open them in Acrobat Exchange 2.1, and print them to 8 1/2" by 11" by checking off the "shrink to fit" option. This ability has become essential for providing handouts at poster presentations. Recently, I upgraded to Illustrator 6.0. This time, when saving to pdf format, I found that the poster was tiled using the last PPD I'd used when printing -- which means I no longer get a single pdf page. I then found a workaround -- the PDFwriter driver 2.0. Now I choose it, set the page size to Custom (30" x 40") and check off "Use Page Setup" in the Document Setup dialog for Illustrator. This allows me to print a single page in pdf format. I have placed postscript files output from Framemaker 5 into an Illustrator file, printed it to pdf, then printed successfully from Acrobat Exchange to an 8 1/2" by 11" page. However, I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints partially with this postscript error message: ERROR: limitcheck OFFENDING COMMAND: save STACK: I've tried everything I know about (and some things I don't know very well). I've placed postscript; opened the postscript and copied it directly into the Illustrator file then checked off "split long paths" and lowered the print resolution; and, finally, opened and copied eps into the Illustrator file, also with "split long paths" and a lower print resolution. (There are total of 3 files -- single pages -- which I have either placed or copied into the Illustrator file.) The Illustrator file itself prints correctly as tiled. Any suggestions? Please copy my personal email address as well as the newsgroup. Thank you. LeAnn ------------------------------ From: lynn teuscher Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:43:14 -0800 Subject: Scanners - Capture Dave on March 5 you asked >We are in the process of evaluating Capture V1.01 and need some advice >on scanners that work "well" with Capture. I have the approved list of >scanners, but need some real life feedback on scanners. Speed is not a >critical issue, but accuracy, dependability, and ADF support is >essential. The documents will mainly be 8.5X11 business documents. Any >help will be appreciated. > >Thanks > I have been using a HP3C with an automatic document feeder with capture 1.0 since October. About 6 weeks ago I upgraded to Capture 1.01. I had some difficulty with the transition but generally it was successful. I am using windows 3.11. With the latest HP drivers and capture 1.01, the system does very well. I have found it to be very reliable. During the past two weeks, 4000 pages were scanned with only 3 or 4 paper jambs and no other major difficulties. With capture conversion to PDF (scanning and OCR) takes about 1 min per page. Then the document must be reviewed to correct errors. However, the scanner is reliable and the ADF works well. The OCR portion, depends critically on the quality of the original. I have had some material that is completed with almost no errors (a page from a magazine for example) whereas poor copies of typed material where the letters are not formed properly (bleeding or streaking has occured) will result is significantly more errors. Hope this helps - If you need more info let me know. Sorry about the delay in responding. I have been out for a few days. Lynn ------------------------------ From: Kendall Whitehouse Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:35:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? [. . .] > The Amber FAQ says: > > Page-at-a-time display requires a web server with byteserver > capability, either built-in (as with future Netscape and Open > Market server products) or using a CGI script. Adobe plans to > freely distribute the CGI script when it is finalized. > > My question concerns the CGI script. A common problem with CGI scripts > which provide special access to web documents is that they fail to > honor the access control restrictions imposed when documents are > accessed through normal HTTP requests. [. . .] > Is there any indication that the folks at Adobe working on the > byteserver CGI script have thought of this problem? Prentiss: This is a very interesting question (to which I do not know the answer - -- maybe someone from Adobe will chime in with a more definitive response). Keep in mind that (as I understand it) the CGI script is for those web servers that do not natively support byte-range URLs -- which I believe the current versions of the Netscape and Open Market servers do. Byte-range downloading is a proposed IETF standard which will hopefully be supported by all web servers in the future. For the details take a look at: ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-http-range-retrieval-00.txt In other words, if you need file- or directory-level access controls on your web server (such as that maintained through .htaccess files) and you want to deliver Amberized files, you might want to consider one of these options. Again, I should point out that all this is pure speculation on my part - -- I haven't actually done any of this. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ From: "Roger D. Williams" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:08:42 +0900 (JST) Subject: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF We are nearing the end of the production of our first complete PDF version of a magazine we had previously been producing in PM5 only for printing. We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. Any suggestions what this could be? We are looking into whether we've been using the fine tracking commands to bring hyphens to a more desirable point, or other track-related things, but this is grasping at straws. Knowledgeable help would be really appreciated! Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: www.gol.com/adex Niftyserve: CXQ10206 ------------------------------ End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #182 ************************* 8-Mar-1996 21:31:05-GMT,1869;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08149 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29020; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:24:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA28971 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:22:30 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 15:53:28 PDT Message-Id: <9602088263.AA826319889@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Gernot Huber , pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: LZW Compress Not Working for Screens Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Gernot: Regarding UI blemishes: the point is taken. "Hidden" Distiller features should be exposed. That is something we could fix in an upgrade. One minor correction: You said: >I knew about the >autofilter before I sent off my query, but because neither the GUI nor the >online help gave an option to turn it off and because the online help assured >me (page 78 of help_d.pdf) that the autofilter uses JPEG compression only for >16 and 24 bit images (while mine were only 8 bit) I didn't think that doing >something to the autofilter would solve this problem. >From Distiller's Help file: "Automatic compression selection Acrobat Distiller determines the best compression method for your images (JPEG or LZW) and applies the correct setting. For example, JPEG compression is used for scanned photographs, and LZW compression is used for screenshots of dialog boxes. Since JPEG compression is applicable only for images with 8 bits per component, automatic compression selection is used only for 8 bit images." Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems Inc. 8-Mar-1996 21:44:16-GMT,38337;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08292 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:42:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29007; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:23:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA28918 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:20:03 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri Mar 8 15:47:54 1996 From: TIE-MAILER-DAEMON@fisc.com Subject: Return Mail--Invalid TAO ID(s) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: TIE-MAILER-DAEMON@fisc.com The TAO Internet E-mail Gateway could NOT deliver your message to the following invalid @fisc.com TAO mail ID's (all other @fisc.com TAO recipients addressed received your message): Tina.Thompson@fisc.com ----------------------> Document Follows <--------------------- Received: from uunet by fisc with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0tv91D-0001cka; Fri, 8 Mar 96 15:44 EST Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP id QQager23885; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27975; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:41:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA27953 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:40:46 -0600 From: fisc!uunet!grandcanyon.binc.net!owner-pdf-digest Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:50:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199603080550.XAA22899@grandcanyon.binc.net> To: uunet!grandcanyon.binc.net!pdf-digest Subject: PDF-DIGEST for March-7-96 [V1 #182] Reply-To: uunet!emrg.com!pdf-l Sender: fisc!uunet!emrg.com!owner-pdf-l Precedence: bulk X-Sender: owner-pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net PDF-DIGEST Thursday, 7 March 1996 Volume 01 : Number 182 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 21 messages totalling 1057 lines in this issue. Topics of the Day: 1. A request and a question. 2. Re: A request and a question. 3. Re- Help- PDF printing erro 4. Exchange prints/Reader doesn't 5. Re: Fonts disappearing on PCI Powermac 6. Re: Re- Help- PDF printing erro 7. Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller 8. Re: Some doubts 9. Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screens 10. ENDLESS LOOP 11. Re: no doubts please! 12. Re: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller 13. Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? 14. Re: Pagemaker-to-Acrobat: Cut-off pages 15. Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots 16. Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? 17. INTEC Virtual Book Project Demo 18. Re: Help: PDF printing error 19. Scanners - Capture 20. Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? 21. Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:10:38 +0008 Subject: A request and a question. Hello all. Does anybody have a copy of PDFMAKER.PM6 for the PC? This allows you to set the preferences for "Create Adobe PDF..." option in PageMaker, but I can't find a copy of it. Second, I'm pretty careful and only used Times and Helvetica (and yes, I do like beehive hairdos) in a document, expecting that it would the built in fonts. On examination, I see its using "Custom5." What the heck is that? The size of the PDF is a critical issue here, so how can I save a few bytes (or am I already?) TIA, ~~~~~~~~~~~~:> Kent "Snake" Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake - --------------------------------------------------- "The sad thing about artificial intelligence is that it lacks artifice and therefore intelligence." - -- Jean Baudrillard ------------------------------ From: Phil Smith Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 09:34:17 +0000 Subject: Re: A request and a question. In your message of Thu, 07 Mar 1996 02:10:38 +0008 you said: >Second, I'm pretty careful and only used Times and Helvetica (and >yes, I do like beehive hairdos) in a document, expecting that it >would the built in fonts. On examination, I see its using "Custom5." No it isn't! The "Custom 5" sounds to me like the encoding, not the font. Applications can reencode fonts however they like, so as to match the character set of the system they're running on. I think that in this case, Custom 5 is a name which Acrobat Exchange/Reader (whatever you're using) has given to the custom encoding in the PDF file. This should be clear from the column headings in File > Document Info > Fonts... I'm currently looking at this dialog in Solaris Reader. For each font, it gives the original font name and type, the encoding (e.g. Standard, MacRoman or Custom 5) and the name and type of the font actually used. If a font is embedded the used font will be "Embedded". If the font is not embedded and is not available on your system, it will be a substitute "AdobeSansMM" or "AdobeSerifMM". If a font subset has been embedded, it's original font name will be preceded by 6 upper-case letters and a plus sign. I hope this clears things up. Of course there's a very slim chance that you actually have a font called "Custom5" perhaps generated on the fly by whatever generated the PDF, but this really is pretty unlikely. Phil. - ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK ------------------------------ From: "Ted Goessling" Date: 7 Mar 1996 07:53:58 U Subject: Re- Help- PDF printing erro Subject: Re: Help: PDF printing error Date:3/7/96 Time: 7:28 AM LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU writes: > I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which > won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints > partially with this postscript error message: > > ERROR: limitcheck > OFFENDING COMMAND: save > STACK: If you are working with a Macintosh, (which I assume you are) this may help. I had a similar problem (not with PDF) that I traced to the "Smooth Text" and "Smooth Graphics" commands in the Page Setup... options. I was trying to print a document at a smaller scale. When I turned these features off, it printed just fine. My only guess was that enabling them somehow overwhelmed some computational process on the machine. The problem sure sounds like it has to do with the degree to which you are shrinking the file. It might help diagnose the problem if you experiment with various page reduction settings in the Page Setup... dialog that will shrink the poster, but not all the way to 1 page. See if you get the same message if the poster is shrunken to fit onto 2 pages. Good Luck! ====================================================================== Ted Goessling ted.goessling@mts.com Technology Analyst 14000 Technology Drive MTS Systems Corporation Eden Prairie, MN 55344 ====================================================================== ------------------------------ From: LaVonna Funkhouser Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 07:59:54 -0600 Subject: Exchange prints/Reader doesn't Situation: I have Acrobat Exchange 2.1, but when I installed it, I kept Acrobat Reader 2.1 so I could "test" my files. However, sometimes documents that print fine from Exchange give me an error and won't print from my Reader. (The error is "An error occurred while downloading a font. This document might not print correctly," but I always check "include downloadable fonts.") I worried about this for several hours until I realized that it prints fine from other people's Reader 2.1 apps. These other people don't have Exchange, and they might have different printers. (I have a Lexmark 4079 color printer and an HP4MV postscript laser printer.) My theory: Reader and Exchange share some .ini or DLL file somewhere that doesn't like for me to have both of them installed at the same time. Question: Can anyone expand on this theory or help me solve this mystery? Thanks! LaVonna LaVonna F. Funkhouser, COREComm lffunkhouser@halnet.com (work) You are invited to browse our web site: http://www.corecomm.com/corecomm/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My opinions do not officially represent anyone other than me. ------------------------------ From: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:30:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Fonts disappearing on PCI Powermac >Has anyone experienced fonts disappearing in PDF documents >(possibly font subsets) not displaying on a 7200/90 >powermac. 2.1 distiller used, 2.1 reader used! MacWorld and MacWeek (I think) have recently reported that there is a mysterious font corruption phenomenon occurring on new Macs everywhere. I wish I could provide you with the citation for the article. If you really want it, log onto their web sites and search the index by keyword. Perhaps what you're experiencing is related. We have just invested in FontBox to help address some of these reported problems. Dean Norton +----------------------------------------------------+ | | | AGRICULTURAL BIOTECHNOLOGY | | FOR SUSTAINABLE PRODUCTIVITY | | ABSP Project | | Michigan State University | | 414 Plant & Soil Sciences Building | | East Lansing, MI 48824-1325 | | voice: (517) 353-2290 | | FAX: (517) 432-1982 | | | +----------------------------------------------------+ | DEAN P. NORTON e-mail: nortond@isl.msu.edu | +----------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 09:43:46 EST Subject: Re: Re- Help- PDF printing erro In message you write: >Subject: Re: Help: PDF printing error Date:3/7/96 Time: 7:28 AM > >LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU writes: > >> I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which >> won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints >> partially with this postscript error message: >> >> ERROR: limitcheck >> OFFENDING COMMAND: save >> STACK: > >If you are working with a Macintosh, (which I assume you are) this may help. >I had a similar problem (not with PDF) that I traced to the "Smooth Text" and >"Smooth Graphics" commands in the Page Setup... options. I was trying to >print a document at a smaller scale. When I turned these features off, it >printed just fine. My only guess was that enabling them somehow overwhelmed >some computational process on the machine. > >The problem sure sounds like it has to do with the degree to which you are >shrinking the file. It might help diagnose the problem if you experiment with >various page reduction settings in the Page Setup... dialog that will shrink >the poster, but not all the way to 1 page. See if you get the same message if >the poster is shrunken to fit onto 2 pages. > >Good Luck! > >====================================================================== > Ted Goessling ted.goessling@mts.com > Technology Analyst 14000 Technology Drive > MTS Systems Corporation Eden Prairie, MN 55344 >====================================================================== Thanks for the tip -- I hadn't quite gotten to trying that one yet. However, I did think of another approach before I got your advice that turned out to work (while your tip about unchecking the "Smooth Text" and "Smooth Graphics" unfortunately didn't work for the page reduction I was looking for; I suspect trying various page reductions would also not matter given my final solution). And, yes, I am working on a Macintosh. Sorry for forgetting that detail. The graphics created in Framemaker contained equations (the main reason I didn't just recreate them in Illustrator) and they were saved as eps files. I finally realized that PDF Writer just wasn't going to convert them well enough to print out. So, I used Distiller to convert the graphics themselves into pdf format, then copied and pasted them into a pdf version of my poster (created with PDF Writer so that I could get the large-format output). I was able to print this out successfully on an 8 1/2" by 11" sheet. I can't tell you how happy I am now. LeAnn ------------------------------ From: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:15:07 -0400 Subject: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller The answer may be obvious to everyone but me, but I''ve never understood why someone would choose creating a pdf file via PDF Writer vs. using Distiller. Are there advantages/disadvantages to each method? Does it depend on your authoring software, or perhaps the complexity of your document? I can't find any clear statement on this in the Adobe literature. Does anyone understand why and when I'd want to select one method of creating pdf files over another? Thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment you can provide. Gary. Gary M. Gatien Mechanical Dynamics 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48105 email: ggati@adams.com FAX: (313) 994-6418 ph: (313) 913-2525 ------------------------------ From: Karl Schmidtmann Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:20:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Some doubts Aguinaldo: At Software Partners we have a redlining tool that works with Acrobat Exchange on the Mac and Windows platforms. Called Re:mark, you can download an evaluation copy from either our Web site (www.buckaroo.com) or from that of our friends at Emerge (www.emrg.com). Please contact me directly if you have any questions. Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners kschmidt@buckaroo.com 804-984-5500 At 09:13 PM 3/7/96 -0800, Aguinaldo CamposJr wrote: >Hello All > > I have some questions about PDF, I'm entering this group now and >I'm implementing PDF Format files in the company I work. I would like to know >about some product to make redline comments over a PDF file. I heard about a >product from rosetta (www.rosetta.com), but I left a bunch of message and I >got no response. >Could someone help me indicating some product that do that. I'm using Acrobat >files in conjunction with TDM-Formtek's Product/ > >Thanks in advance > >Best Regards >-- > >+----------------------------------------------------------+ >| Aguinaldo CamposJr INTERNET Consultor | >|----------------------------------------------------------| >| Joinville - BR | Phone: 55-47-441-2834 | >| | Fax: 55-47-441-2225 | >| | E-mail: acj2net@netvill.com.br | >|----------------------------------------------------------| >| WWW: http://www.netville.com.br/~acj2net/aguinco1.html | >+----------------------------------------------------------+ > > ------------------------------ From: Gernot Huber Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 10:55:00 P Subject: Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screens Thank you everyone who told me how to turn off the autofilter in the example.ps file to force LZW rather than JPEG compression. Gary Cosimini (gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com) writes: >[The automatic compression method] filter can be defeated by editing the >file "Example.ps" in Distiller's Startup directory: see comments below. >While it might be possible for this filter to be confused, I haven't heard >of this before. Try disabling it if you still seem to be getting JPEGged >screen captures. Disabling the autofilter did the trick. Thank you. That does mean that the autofilter is indeed confused. I knew about the autofilter before I sent off my query, but because neither the GUI nor the online help gave an option to turn it off and because the online help assured me (page 78 of help_d.pdf) that the autofilter uses JPEG compression only for 16 and 24 bit images (while mine were only 8 bit) I didn't think that doing something to the autofilter would solve this problem. I don't think that I have to point out what a great example of abysmal interface design this situation is. Providing a dialog box that allows the user to chose between JPEG or LZW compression and then adding a "feature" that overrides this user selection without telling the user is careless at best. I have a feeling that the answer is that Adobe wanted to add the autofilter feature but didn't have time to rewrite the dialog box. Maybe it would have been better to leave out the autofilter then. Even if you decided to put it in anyway, there still is no excuse for not explaining the situation in the online help and explaining how to turn off the autofilter. A blemish on an otherwise great product, Gernot Huber EPR, Inc. ------------------------------ From: CHarris-CIC-TI@ccsmtp.redstone.army.mil Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 13:26:27 CST Subject: ENDLESS LOOP We are about to start a new project in which we will be using the security option in Exchange to protect the document from changes. We will also be using Catalog to index our files. The problem we have experienced in testing this, is that after we save a file with the Security option enabled, this changes the document and we have to reindex the file. Otherwise, we get an error message that file has been updated and words won't be highlighted. When we go to reindex the file in Catalog we get the message that the file isn't able to be opened (because the Security function is on). If we turn the security feature off so it can be reindexed then the document is no longer protected from changes and we have defeated our original purpose. Has anyone else came across this problem or might have a solution? Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Thank You Cassandra ------------------------------ From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 15:22:36 PST Subject: Re: no doubts please! Aguinaldo: Software Partners' Re:mark plugin lets you do just that. You can download a demo from www.emrg.com. What is TDM-Formtek? Do they integrate Exchange in some way? Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Some doubts From: Aguinaldo CamposJr at cc_smtp2 Date: 3/6/96 7:06 PM Hello All I have some questions about PDF, I'm entering this group now and I'm implementing PDF Format files in the company I work. I would like to know about some product to make redline comments over a PDF file. I heard about a product from rosetta (www.rosetta.com), but I left a bunch of message and I got no response. Could someone help me indicating some product that do that. I'm using Acrobat files in conjunction with TDM-Formtek's Product/ Thanks in advance Best Regards - -- +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Aguinaldo CamposJr INTERNET Consultor | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Joinville - BR | Phone: 55-47-441-2834 | | | Fax: 55-47-441-2225 | | | E-mail: acj2net@netvill.com.br | |----------------------------------------------------------| | WWW: http://www.netville.com.br/~acj2net/aguinco1.html | +----------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Dick Gaskill Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:27:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Hi Gary, I see that others on the framers list are now subscribing to the Acrobat lists too. I have the feeling Adobe is making a lot of money on Acrobat because they give the reader away. Works for me, anyway, I just published my first online manual and the boss is happy because we reduced the cost of publishing the docs by 85%. The only answer I know about is that the PDF file is a lot smaller when you use the distiller instead of the PDFwriter. Makes a big difference if you have to get the file on one floppy for distribution. - -dg - ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:15:07 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) Subject: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com The answer may be obvious to everyone but me, but I''ve never understood why someone would choose creating a pdf file via PDF Writer vs. using Distiller. Are there advantages/disadvantages to each method? Does it depend on your authoring software, or perhaps the complexity of your document? I can't find any clear statement on this in the Adobe literature. Does anyone understand why and when I'd want to select one method of creating pdf files over another? Thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment you can provide. Gary. Gary M. Gatien Mechanical Dynamics 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48105 email: ggati@adams.com FAX: (313) 994-6418 ph: (313) 913-2525 - ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ From: Prentiss Riddle Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:44:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? I'm not heavily into PDF and related technology, so forgive me if I'm asking a question which has already been addressed, but here goes. I've been reading the documents at http://www.adobe.com/Amber and I see that taking advantage of the "page-at-a-time" features supported by Amber will require special capabilities on the web server. The Amber FAQ says: Page-at-a-time display requires a web server with byteserver capability, either built-in (as with future Netscape and Open Market server products) or using a CGI script. Adobe plans to freely distribute the CGI script when it is finalized. My question concerns the CGI script. A common problem with CGI scripts which provide special access to web documents is that they fail to honor the access control restrictions imposed when documents are accessed through normal HTTP requests. This is usually the case whether the CGI script accesses the files locally (because the CGI script doesn't understand or honor the local web server's access control mechanism, e.g., NCSA httpd .htaccess files) or the CGI script makes retrievals via HTTP (because the ultimate server will see the request as coming from the gateway's IP address rather than the end-client's IP address). For this reason, CGI scripts which can be used to request an arbitrary document constitute a serious security risk for any site which has documents it doesn't want the whole world to see. Is there any indication that the folks at Adobe working on the byteserver CGI script have thought of this problem? - -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu - -- RiceInfo Administrator, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle - -- Home office: 2002-A Guadalupe St. #285, Austin, TX 78705 / 512-323-0708 ------------------------------ From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 15:32:22 PST Subject: Re: Pagemaker-to-Acrobat: Cut-off pages Theresa: Use Distiller to process PageMaker documents. This will fix your problem. PDFWriter is for simple desktop applications like word processors and spreadsheets. PM 6.0 upgrades come with a Distiller. Gary _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Pagemaker-to-Acrobat: Cut-off pages From: Theresa Norton at cc_smtp2 Date: 2/27/96 5:24 AM We have a manual in Pagemaker 5.0 for Windows that has facing pages for landscape tables. We set up the Pagemaker file to "build booklet" in order to keep the facing pages when we print to PDFWriter. Unfortunately, though, when we view the file in Acrobat Reader, the pages are shifted and cut-off. Everything looks fine in Pagemaker. Does anyone have a suggestion for fixing this? We tried changing the page size, but are still having the problem. Thanks in advance. Theresa Norton theresan@wpo.jhpiego.org JHPIEGO/Johns Hopkins Program for International Education in Reproductive Health ------------------------------ From: pkane@nfesc.navy.mil Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 13:30:36 -0800 Subject: Re: LZW Compress Not Working for Screenshots On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Kendall Whitehouse wrote: >Automatic image filtering is a great new addition to version 2.1 of >Acrobat Distiller. Adobe needs to update the product's user interface >to better communicate the behavior of this feature. In the meantime, >you'll need to edit the Distiller's Startup file if you want to take >full control of the Distiller's settings. I completely agree! The automatic image filtering is a needed feature. Since I wasn't aware of it, I assumed the dialog box let me control the type of compression. This is something that Adobe needs to resolve in their next release. - -- Patrick R. Kane ------------------------------ From: Carlos I McEvilly Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:05:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Prentiss Riddle wrote: > My question concerns the CGI script. A common problem with CGI scripts > which provide special access to web documents is that they fail to > honor the access control restrictions imposed when documents are > accessed through normal HTTP requests. ... Yes, CGI scripts can cheerfully dish out internal documents if you are not careful. However, the author of the CGI script can, by paying attention to security issues, make sure that only certain documents or directories are visible. People who install others' CGI scripts on their own systems should examine the scripts carefully first and make sure access is controlled. An insecure script would allow the user to type in directory and filename for retrieval (or worse, a command), then would oblige without first making sure the input was in a list of allowed directories, files, or commands. A secure script would allow access only to certain files or directories. It's hard to imagine that Adobe would botch this too badly, but thoroughly understanding any CGI script before installing it is always a good idea. Carlos McEvilly cim@lanl.gov ------------------------------ From: tosolini@lib.siu.edu (Paolo Tosolini, Italy) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 00:14 GMT+0200 Subject: INTEC Virtual Book Project Demo Hello all, Since the original RFC on this project was posted just two months ago, substantial progress has been made, which would not have been possible without the helpful participation of all the bright and interested people who responded and contributed their knowledge so readily. In a nutshell, the objective of the Virtual Book Project is to devise a practical means to convert existing text-based distance learning course material into an electronic format that will allow a student to read and study such courses directly off a PC screen without the need to print it out. The course would be enhanced with multimedia features, but would essentially retain its linear structure and would resemble a pageable book on the student's screen. The INTEC Virtual Book Project web site can be accessed at: http://www.intec.edu.za/book/v_book.htm There you can view sample pages from the prototypes that have been developed by Paolo Tosolini from Italy. Paolo has spent the past month at INTEC College in Cape Town researching and developing the project. The web demonstration he has constructed makes innovative use of frames to allow you to probe every feature of the Virtual Book so if you still don't have Netscape Ver.2.0, this is a good reason to get it now. The demo shows one prototype in ToolBook, and one in Adobe Acrobat. Our main reason for inviting you to look over our prototype is to request your comments and suggestions, so please make a point of sending us a comment, even if its just to introduce yourself. If you are unable to access the web, then feel free to contact me to ask for details about the project by e-mail and/or by attachments. We hope you find the project and the prototype interesting and look forward to hearing from you. KARL H. VON STADEN Director - INTEC College, Cape Town, South Africa karl@intec.edu.za (college) karlvs@iafrica.com (after hours) ------------------------------ From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 17:15:50 PDT Subject: Re: Help: PDF printing error To print embedded EPS graphics placed in Illustrator, you should use Distiller. PDFWriter does not support embedded EPS graphics except as screen previews (bitmaps). To get full page sizes from AI 6.0, the ideal technique is: use your PostScript printer driver to select the Acrobat Distiller PPD. Then select Page Setup:Paper Size:Custom and type in the size of the poster in inches. Finally, Print to File as PostScript. Distiller's maximum page size is 45 x 45 inches. Alternatively, select Page Setup and type in a percentage reduction like 25% before creating your PostScript file from Illustrator. This will shrink the "virtual" imageable area by 25%. Acrobat doesn't care since all page sizes are virtual anyway in an electronic document! *** To specify an alternate PPD file, if you are using LaserWriter 8.x, select a PS printer,, then click Setup, then click Manual setup to select the Distiller PPD manually (it can be found in the Distiller:Xtras directory). If you are using PSPrinter 8.3 (Adobe Part Number 0197-3153) you can select an alternative PPD by using the Virtual Printer popup. Follow the instructions that come with PSPrinter. It lets you quickly switch from a networked printer to alternate PPDs like Distiller's. Regarding the Limitcheck error: if the path that was too complex for your printer's RAM was found in a placed EPS file, Illustrator's "split long paths" command won't effect it. The solution to this problem is to get more printer RAM or reduce path complexity in the originating application. If your printer is a Level 2 PostScript device, it uses RAM more efficiently so you should not have this problem as often. Hope this helps! Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems Inc _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Help: PDF printing error From: LeAnn_Neal_Reilly@NIAGARA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU at cc_smtp5 Date: 3/6/96 11:39 AM Hi, I'm having a problem that I hope someone can help me with. I lay out 30" x 40" posters using Illustrator, which I usually print tiled before trimming and pasting up. While using Illustrator 5.5, I realized I could save these posters in pdf format, open them in Acrobat Exchange 2.1, and print them to 8 1/2" by 11" by checking off the "shrink to fit" option. This ability has become essential for providing handouts at poster presentations. Recently, I upgraded to Illustrator 6.0. This time, when saving to pdf format, I found that the poster was tiled using the last PPD I'd used when printing -- which means I no longer get a single pdf page. I then found a workaround -- the PDFwriter driver 2.0. Now I choose it, set the page size to Custom (30" x 40") and check off "Use Page Setup" in the Document Setup dialog for Illustrator. This allows me to print a single page in pdf format. I have placed postscript files output from Framemaker 5 into an Illustrator file, printed it to pdf, then printed successfully from Acrobat Exchange to an 8 1/2" by 11" page. However, I have a pdf file with graphics originally created in Framemaker which won't print successfully from Acrobat Exchange. The page prints partially with this postscript error message: ERROR: limitcheck OFFENDING COMMAND: save STACK: I've tried everything I know about (and some things I don't know very well). I've placed postscript; opened the postscript and copied it directly into the Illustrator file then checked off "split long paths" and lowered the print resolution; and, finally, opened and copied eps into the Illustrator file, also with "split long paths" and a lower print resolution. (There are total of 3 files -- single pages -- which I have either placed or copied into the Illustrator file.) The Illustrator file itself prints correctly as tiled. Any suggestions? Please copy my personal email address as well as the newsgroup. Thank you. LeAnn ------------------------------ From: lynn teuscher Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:43:14 -0800 Subject: Scanners - Capture Dave on March 5 you asked >We are in the process of evaluating Capture V1.01 and need some advice >on scanners that work "well" with Capture. I have the approved list of >scanners, but need some real life feedback on scanners. Speed is not a >critical issue, but accuracy, dependability, and ADF support is >essential. The documents will mainly be 8.5X11 business documents. Any >help will be appreciated. > >Thanks > I have been using a HP3C with an automatic document feeder with capture 1.0 since October. About 6 weeks ago I upgraded to Capture 1.01. I had some difficulty with the transition but generally it was successful. I am using windows 3.11. With the latest HP drivers and capture 1.01, the system does very well. I have found it to be very reliable. During the past two weeks, 4000 pages were scanned with only 3 or 4 paper jambs and no other major difficulties. With capture conversion to PDF (scanning and OCR) takes about 1 min per page. Then the document must be reviewed to correct errors. However, the scanner is reliable and the ADF works well. The OCR portion, depends critically on the quality of the original. I have had some material that is completed with almost no errors (a page from a magazine for example) whereas poor copies of typed material where the letters are not formed properly (bleeding or streaking has occured) will result is significantly more errors. Hope this helps - If you need more info let me know. Sorry about the delay in responding. I have been out for a few days. Lynn ------------------------------ From: Kendall Whitehouse Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:35:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Adobe's byteserver CGI script and access control issues? [. . .] > The Amber FAQ says: > > Page-at-a-time display requires a web server with byteserver > capability, either built-in (as with future Netscape and Open > Market server products) or using a CGI script. Adobe plans to > freely distribute the CGI script when it is finalized. > > My question concerns the CGI script. A common problem with CGI scripts > which provide special access to web documents is that they fail to > honor the access control restrictions imposed when documents are > accessed through normal HTTP requests. [. . .] > Is there any indication that the folks at Adobe working on the > byteserver CGI script have thought of this problem? Prentiss: This is a very interesting question (to which I do not know the answer - -- maybe someone from Adobe will chime in with a more definitive response). Keep in mind that (as I understand it) the CGI script is for those web servers that do not natively support byte-range URLs -- which I believe the current versions of the Netscape and Open Market servers do. Byte-range downloading is a proposed IETF standard which will hopefully be supported by all web servers in the future. For the details take a look at: ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-http-range-retrieval-00.txt In other words, if you need file- or directory-level access controls on your web server (such as that maintained through .htaccess files) and you want to deliver Amberized files, you might want to consider one of these options. Again, I should point out that all this is pure speculation on my part - -- I haven't actually done any of this. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ From: "Roger D. Williams" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:08:42 +0900 (JST) Subject: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF We are nearing the end of the production of our first complete PDF version of a magazine we had previously been producing in PM5 only for printing. We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. Any suggestions what this could be? We are looking into whether we've been using the fine tracking commands to bring hyphens to a more desirable point, or other track-related things, but this is grasping at straws. Knowledgeable help would be really appreciated! Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: www.gol.com/adex Niftyserve: CXQ10206 ------------------------------ End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #182 ************************* 8-Mar-1996 21:45:56-GMT,2019;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08257 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:40:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29151; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:28:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA29086 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:26:51 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 15:56:47 PDT Message-Id: <9602088263.AA826319894@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: "Roger D. Williams" , pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Are you using Distiller 2.1 or PDFWriter? PDFWriter usually will not reproduce justified columns accurately from any page layout program. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems Inc. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF From: "Roger D. Williams" at cc_smtp5 Date: 3/7/96 8:55 PM We are nearing the end of the production of our first complete PDF version of a magazine we had previously been producing in PM5 only for printing. We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. Any suggestions what this could be? We are looking into whether we've been using the fine tracking commands to bring hyphens to a more desirable point, or other track-related things, but this is grasping at straws. Knowledgeable help would be really appreciated! Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: www.gol.com/adex Niftyserve: CXQ10206 8-Mar-1996 22:13:37-GMT,4638;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08617 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:09:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29565; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:56:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA29518 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:54:47 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 16:19:19 PDT Message-Id: <9602088263.AA826321048@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien), pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com This is becoming a hot topic on this forum! I understand what you are saying. To quote from Exchange's Help file: "Creating PDF files with PDF Writer You can use the PDF Writer driver, installed with the Acrobat Exchange program, to create PDF files from most applications. This driver creates PDF files by "printing" documents to a file when you select the Print command from your application. The PDF Writer printer driver may not, however, always produce the highest- quality PDF documents. For example, if the application file contains Encapsulated PostScript (EPS) artwork or images, the application sends a screen- resolution preview image (if it exists) of the EPS object to the PDF Writer, which is placed into the PDF file. The preview image may be in color or black- and-white. If the EPS file doesn't have a preview image, a gray box is typically printed instead. If you are able to print your file to a PostScript printer but are not getting satisfactory results with PDF Writer, you may need Acrobat Distiller. See Acrobat Distiller for more information." Distiller's Help file is a bit more specific: "Acrobat PDF Writer may not always successfully process documents that contain Encapsulated PostScript (EPS) artwork or images, or documents that use features available only with PostScript printers. For documents with EPS, PDF Writer uses the bitmap preview image that accompanies the EPS file instead of the EPS graphic itself. If you are not getting satisfactory results with Acrobat PDF Writer, you may need to use Acrobat Distiller instead." In a nutshell, many programs print differently to a PostScript printer driver than they do to a non-PostScript printer driver like PDFWriter. PostScript is a very powerful "page description language" and can hold detail better in a sense, like character positioning and vector graphics, so desktop publishing programs always are optimized to print best to PS printers as a result. Distiller converts PS files exactly. PDFWriter in effect gets QuickDraw or GDI screen drawing commands direct from an application which may in fact _not_ be WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get), especially high-quality page layout and graphics applications. Try printing a pagelayout file to a fax modem or dot matrix printer if you want to see what I mean. Distiller also has a lot more horsepower available to it since it's a standalone application, and therefore has capabilities that PDFWriter cannot: it can resample images, subset fonts, and make smaller files through consolidation of text strings. In addition, Distiller has a special language called PDFMark that can receive hypertext parameters from DTP applications and embed them in the PDF file as it is produced. These are many good reasons for switching to Distiller is you are serious about electronic publishing. I hope this is detail enough! Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller From: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) at cc_smtp5 Date: 3/7/96 8:38 PM The answer may be obvious to everyone but me, but I''ve never understood why someone would choose creating a pdf file via PDF Writer vs. using Distiller. Are there advantages/disadvantages to each method? Does it depend on your authoring software, or perhaps the complexity of your document? I can't find any clear statement on this in the Adobe literature. Does anyone understand why and when I'd want to select one method of creating pdf files over another? Thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment you can provide. Gary. Gary M. Gatien Mechanical Dynamics 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48105 email: ggati@adams.com FAX: (313) 994-6418 ph: (313) 913-2525 8-Mar-1996 22:31:53-GMT,1567;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08841 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:31:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29904; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:11:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA29831 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:08:53 -0600 From: Gernot Huber To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: Gernot Huber Subject: Re[2]: LZW Compress Not Working for Scre Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 13:46:00 P Message-ID: <3140AB3E@hamachi> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gernot Huber Gary-- You are correct that page 75 of the distiller help file reads as you quote ("Since JPEG compression is applicable only for images with 8 bits per component, automatic compression selection is used only for 8 bit images."). However, you probably should have checked page 78--to which I referred in my message--before correcting my statement that the help file lead me to believe that JPEG is used only for 16- and 24-bit images. Page 78 states "Compression uses either JPEG compression for 16-bit and 24- bit color images or LZW for compression of color and grayscale images." Looks like Adobe has some work to do on the help file as well as the UI. Sincerely, Gernot Huber 8-Mar-1996 22:57:06-GMT,1479;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09094 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:56:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA30414; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:45:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA30371 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:42:42 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 AF 39 4E F8 BE 75 EC 3A 35 77 CF D2 DB 9C DD X-Pgp-Key-Id: 151F6315 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:42:10 -0700 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: "Jim Lando, MD" Subject: Adobe Acrobat Reader 2.1 and Quickdraw GX Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Jim Lando, MD" I am having trouble using n-up printing under Quickdraw GX (on Macintosh). Prior to using Quickdraw GX and Laserwriter GX printer drivers, I had no problem printing 4 pdf pages on one page, now I can no longer do this. When I go to page setup and select 4 (or 6 or 9) up printing, the selection doesn't hold. That is to say, it reverts to 1 up printing. N-up printing works fine in other applications (Word 6.0.1, Excel, simple text, Eudora). Any ideas why it doesn't work in Adobe Acrobat Reader 2.1 (or Amber for that matter)??????? TIA, Jim 8-Mar-1996 23:11:38-GMT,1919;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09262 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:11:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA30742; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:03:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA30647 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:02:08 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 17:51:27 PST Message-Id: <9602088263.AA826325642@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Gernot Huber , pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: babcock@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re[3]: LZW Compress Not Working for Scre Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Gernot: Right you are. Just distilled an 8-bit image and Distiller JPEGed it (which is logical, since it can JPEG an 8 bit grayscale image, why not a color one). That means Page 78 is in error. I'll report it to product management. The same statement is made on page 82 as well. Thanks! Gary __________________________________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: LZW Compress Not Working for Scre From: Gernot Huber at cc_smtp Date: 3/8/96 1:46 PM Gary-- You are correct that page 75 of the distiller help file reads as you quote ("Since JPEG compression is applicable only for images with 8 bits per component, automatic compression selection is used only for 8 bit images."). However, you probably should have checked page 78--to which I referred in my message--before correcting my statement that the help file lead me to believe that JPEG is used only for 16- and 24-bit images. Page 78 states "Compression uses either JPEG compression for 16-bit and 24- bit color images or LZW for compression of color and grayscale images." 8-Mar-1996 23:25:48-GMT,1837;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09399 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:25:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA30852; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:07:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA30808 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:06:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:05:55 -0800 (PST) From: Dick Gaskill Message-Id: <199603082305.PAA01912@birch.ag3d.com> To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, dickg@ag3d.com, ggati@adams.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Dick Gaskill Hi Gary, Thanks for all the good info. One thing you might want to mention, however, that is not in the docs, is that PDF Writer does not run under Windows NT, but the Distiller works great. I have discovered a printing problem with PDf, however, and advice would be greatly appreciated. It may be a user error, not sure. Docs created on FM5/Win NT and printed to a .ps with print set to a color QMS printer, and Generate Acrobat turned on. PS file converted to PDF via Distiller 2.1 (Acrobat Pro 2.1). The PDF file displays perfectly on the screen with AcroRead 2.1, but when I print it to my b/w QMS B1700, the file prints the first 4 or 5 pages of a 70 page manual and then stops, with the last 2 or 3 pages showing Stack Errors. However, one of my customers says it printed fine on his system. It may be that the error is caused because I'm trying to print a color PDF file to a b/w printer, but the pages that do print, print correctly. Advice appreciated. Thanks, -dg 9-Mar-1996 0:51:20-GMT,2531;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10392 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA32064; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:49:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA32023 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:46:56 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 19:24:33 PDT Message-Id: <9602088263.AA826332216@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Dick Gaskill Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, dickg@ag3d.com, ggati@adams.com Subject: Re[2]: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Sounds like a memory or decompression error. I've heard of this on QMS printers before. You might try printing small batches at a time, but usually this occurs when a slightly underpowered printer hits a complex page. Sometimes turning off Both Serif and Sans in Reader's Prefrence menu helps. Try Sans only, it takes less memory. If it's a Level 2 PostScript decompression issue, then only memory in the printer might fix it, or a ROM upgrade (call QMS). Gary _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Use PDF Writer versus Print to PS and using Distiller From: Dick Gaskill at cc_smtp5 Date: 3/8/96 3:05 PM Hi Gary, Thanks for all the good info. One thing you might want to mention, however, that is not in the docs, is that PDF Writer does not run under Windows NT, but the Distiller works great. I have discovered a printing problem with PDf, however, and advice would be greatly appreciated. It may be a user error, not sure. Docs created on FM5/Win NT and printed to a .ps with print set to a color QMS printer, and Generate Acrobat turned on. PS file converted to PDF via Distiller 2.1 (Acrobat Pro 2.1). The PDF file displays perfectly on the screen with AcroRead 2.1, but when I print it to my b/w QMS B1700, the file prints the first 4 or 5 pages of a 70 page manual and then stops, with the last 2 or 3 pages showing Stack Errors. However, one of my customers says it printed fine on his system. It may be that the error is caused because I'm trying to print a color PDF file to a b/w printer, but the pages that do print, print correctly. Advice appreciated. Thanks, -dg 9-Mar-1996 7:22:05-GMT,2767;000000000001 Received: from gol1.gol.com (root@gol1.gol.com [202.243.48.4]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16752 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 00:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from ORFYFPEK (ppp175.gol.com [202.243.48.175]) by gol1.gol.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00939 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:29:40 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:29:40 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199603090729.QAA00939@gol1.gol.com> X-Sender: roger@popmail.gol.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" To: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" From: "Roger D. Williams" Subject: Re: Loss of justification from PM5 to PDF At 06:04 96/03/08 -0700, you kindly replied to the following query: > >> ... > >> ... We have been horrified to see that the right-justification is not > >> accurately retained. It doesn't look too bad in the full-page view, > >> but any enlargement of the text (like, er, needed to actually READ it) > >> shows up a recognizably wavy right edge. ... > >> ... ...saying... > One possibility is a mismatch in font metrics, notably, character > widths, between the time the text formatting system produced the > PostScript, and Distiller converted the PostScript to PDF. I think I can rule that out because the PostScript is produced by the Distiller "printer driver" immediately before we run it through the Distiller program. > Alternatively, you may be running into what in the TeX world is called > the ``maxdrift'' problem, which arises because of differences in > rounding precise character widths to pixel widths on the output > device. I followed your explanation of this (deleted) with great interest. The font we are using is an Adobe font (Trump Medieval), proportionally spaced. We are using PageMaker to create the original documents, so we don't have access to any of the TeX controls. Since we encountered this problem I have paid more attention to how fonts are rendered on the screen, and I notice some unacceptable letter-spacing within words in titles at large font sizes. The larger size of the font, making one pixel a much smaller error (proportionately) would seem to reduce the effect you mention but I suppose it could be the culprit here, too. Thanks for the input. When I get back to the office on Monday I will print out the PDF to see if it is only a display problem, in which case I can reassure the client that the apparent lack of justification is an artifact of the viewing computer/screen/video driver. Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: www.gol.com/adex Niftyserve: CXQ10206 10-Mar-1996 5:58:01-GMT,1750;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21975 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:57:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA06015; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:55:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA05930 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:44:24 -0600 Message-ID: From: Bob Duffett To: "'PDF-L'" Subject: Using VB to Created PDF Files Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:43:39 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.17.736 Encoding: 24 TEXT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Duffett We want to write reports using Visual Basic. If we run them thru the PDF writer, we're unable to embed PDFMARKS and thus the resulting PDF files don't contain bookmarks. If we use Distiller, we'll have to create PostScript files directly which means every user would have to have Distiller (which I've never done). Does anyone know how hard is it to write reports using PostScript code? Our choice is to not create bookmarks / links automatically or learn PostScript programming? Any suggestions would be welcome. Bob ====================================================== Bob Duffett mailto:Bob.Duffett@ccc.uab.edu UAB-Comprehensive Cancer Center (205) 975-8240 Wallace Tumor Institute-285 (205) 975-7684 FAX 1824 6th Avenue South Birmingham, AL 35294-3300 ====================================================== 10-Mar-1996 16:19:10-GMT,2362;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24718 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:19:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA08482; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:17:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA08449 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:12:13 -0600 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 08:07:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199603101607.IAA08390@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Using VB to Created PDF Files To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Bob, If you have a LAN environment, you can set up Distiller on a Server, and have the Postscript files created by individual users processed through the Server by taking advantage of the "watched directory" feature; any PS file that appears in a watched dir is automatically Distilled into PDF using the standard defaults. This would allow you to take advantage of any PDFMarks you've inserted. BTW, would you like to share the techiques you've used to *create* the PDFMarks in VB? I'd be interested in seeing a sample. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, Bob Duffett wrote: >We want to write reports using Visual Basic. > >If we run them thru the PDF writer, we're unable to embed PDFMARKS and >thus the resulting PDF files don't contain bookmarks. If we use >Distiller, we'll have to create PostScript files directly which means >every user would have to have Distiller (which I've never done). > >Does anyone know how hard is it to write reports using PostScript code? > >Our choice is to not create bookmarks / links automatically or learn >PostScript programming? > >Any suggestions would be welcome. > >Bob > >====================================================== >Bob Duffett mailto:Bob.Duffett@ccc.uab.edu > >UAB-Comprehensive Cancer Center (205) 975-8240 >Wallace Tumor Institute-285 (205) 975-7684 FAX >1824 6th Avenue South >Birmingham, AL 35294-3300 >====================================================== 10-Mar-1996 16:38:32-GMT,1417;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24790 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA08595; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:36:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA08568 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:34:04 -0600 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 16:33 GMT From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for March-9-96 [V1 #184] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) In-Reply-To: <199603100550.XAA05998@grandcanyon.binc.net> > From: Bob Duffett > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:43:39 -0600 > Subject: Using VB to Created PDF Files > > We want to write reports using Visual Basic. Bob, have a look at Gymnast, a shareware program that I wrote, which generates PDF files from plain ASCII text. It's written in Visual Basic 3 and comes with full source code. It already supports hypertext links, via metacommands in the source text file. I'm sure you could adapt it to your purpose. You can get the file from CompuServe - GO ACR-41. R. 11-Mar-1996 3:28:37-GMT,5012;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA27371 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:28:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA11240; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:26:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA11164 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:22:15 -0600 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:21:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199603110321.VAA27122@glacier.binc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: jcook@emrg.com (John Cook) Subject: SPI Plug-ins for sale from EMERGE!! 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As an Adobe Authorized "Value Added Reseller" EMERGE is also able to offer outstanding pricing on "volume" purchases of 100 or more copies of ACROBAT Exchange. So please do NOT hesitate to ask for a price quote on any such large-scale ACROBAT-ic purchases!! ****************************************************************************= **** Compose 2.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ten Terrific Publishing Tools for Adobe=AEAcrobat=AESoftware *Bookmarks by Example automatically creates bookmarks from chapter and section headings. *Page Linker automatically links table of contents and index pages. *Copy Link copies hypertext links throughout a document. *Batch Meister sets file security options and file open defaults in batch. *Auditor checks for broken links and bookmarks and fixes them right on the spot. *Chain Linker automatically links together all instances of a word or text string. *Document Composer assembles and repaginates composite documents. *Table of Contents Builder constructs a master table of contents linked to associated PDF documents. *InfoFill populates the General Information Fields in a group of PDF documents. *PDF Launcher launches documents by title or author instead of DOS file name. ****************************************************************************= **** 11-Mar-1996 11:45:11-GMT,1961;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA00491 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 04:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA13735; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 05:42:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA13698 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 05:34:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199603111134.FAA24886@glacier.binc.net> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Acrobatics X-Organisation: Electronic Publishing Research Group, Dept of Computer Science, X-Organisation: University of Nottingham, England X-Phone: (+44) 115 9514230 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:27:16 +0000 From: David R Evans Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David R Evans The next issue of Acrobatics, our quarterly journal about things Acrobat, is due for publication in about three weeks' time. We would be interested in receiving information from anyone on topics such as: O Experiences with Exchange, Distiller, PDFWriter, Capture O Acrobat problems and solutions O Product developments: plug-ins, stand-alone applications using the Acrobat API, third-party viewers O Meetings, courses, seminars on Acrobat and related technologies Information can be posted or e-mailed to `The Editor, Acrobatics' at the address below. Regards David ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9860048 Merlin Open Systems (+44) 115 9514230 (direct) P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@cs.nott.ac.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/merlin/ NG2 1LJ, UK Acrobat resellers, publishers of Acrobatics, specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software 11-Mar-1996 17:57:17-GMT,2240;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03828 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:57:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15299; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:46:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA15222 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:30:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199603111730.LAA32106@glacier.binc.net> To: "pdf-l@emrg.com" Subject: Re: Tranzform Demo Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 12:23:48 -0500 From: "Bradley M. Small" X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Bradley M. Small" -- [ From: Bradley M. Small * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- Hi Annette, I'd love to help you with this problem, however, you will need to be a bit more specific aboiut the problem. Bradley >-------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > >Date: Wednesday, 06-Mar-96 02:55 PM > >From: Annette Burgin \ Internet: (annnetteb@dis.wa.gov) >To: webmaster@vertec.com \ Internet: (webmaster@vertec.com) > >Subject: Tranzform Demo > >I downloaded the file to my network drive and I cannot figure out how to >run the demo. Attempts I have made to install give me error codes. Is >there something simple I am overlooking? >-------- REPLY, End of original message -------- >-- ____________________________________________________ Please insert standard disclaimer about opinions. Bradley M. Small Software Engineer VerTec Solutions Inc. Ph. (910)855-9555 5601 Roanne Way, Ste 606 Fax (910)855-1766 Greensboro, NC 27409 bsmall@vertec.com URL - http://www.vertec.com -- ____________________________________________________ Please insert standard disclaimer about opinions. Bradley M. Small Software Engineer VerTec Solutions Inc. Ph. (910)855-9555 5601 Roanne Way, Ste 606 Fax (910)855-1766 Greensboro, NC 27409 bsmall@vertec.com URL - http://www.vertec.com 12-Mar-1996 7:16:42-GMT,3907;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11863 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:16:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA19203; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:00:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA19143 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:58:50 -0600 From: Administrator_at_seahub@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 22:48:09 PST Message-Id: <9602118266.AA826613338@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Message not deliverable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Administrator_at_seahub@mv.us.adobe.com PDF-DIGEST Monday, 11 March 1996 Volume 01 : Number 186 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 2 messages totalling 93 lines in this issue. Topics of the Day: 1. Acrobatics 2. Re: Tranzform Demo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David R Evans Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:27:16 +0000 Subject: Acrobatics The next issue of Acrobatics, our quarterly journal about things Acrobat, is due for publication in about three weeks' time. We would be interested in receiving information from anyone on topics such as: O Experiences with Exchange, Distiller, PDFWriter, Capture O Acrobat problems and solutions O Product developments: plug-ins, stand-alone applications using the Acrobat API, third-party viewers O Meetings, courses, seminars on Acrobat and related technologies Information can be posted or e-mailed to `The Editor, Acrobatics' at the address below. Regards David - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9860048 Merlin Open Systems (+44) 115 9514230 (direct) P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@cs.nott.ac.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/merlin/ NG2 1LJ, UK Acrobat resellers, publishers of Acrobatics, specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software ------------------------------ From: "Bradley M. Small" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 12:23:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Tranzform Demo - -- [ From: Bradley M. Small * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- Hi Annette, I'd love to help you with this problem, however, you will need to be a bit more specific aboiut the problem. Bradley >-------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > >Date: Wednesday, 06-Mar-96 02:55 PM > >From: Annette Burgin \ Internet: (annnetteb@dis.wa.gov) >To: webmaster@vertec.com \ Internet: (webmaster@vertec.com) > >Subject: Tranzform Demo > >I downloaded the file to my network drive and I cannot figure out how to >run the demo. Attempts I have made to install give me error codes. Is >there something simple I am overlooking? >-------- REPLY, End of original message -------- >-- ____________________________________________________ Please insert standard disclaimer about opinions. Bradley M. Small Software Engineer VerTec Solutions Inc. Ph. (910)855-9555 5601 Roanne Way, Ste 606 Fax (910)855-1766 Greensboro, NC 27409 bsmall@vertec.com URL - http://www.vertec.com - -- ____________________________________________________ Please insert standard disclaimer about opinions. Bradley M. Small Software Engineer VerTec Solutions Inc. Ph. (910)855-9555 5601 Roanne Way, Ste 606 Fax (910)855-1766 Greensboro, NC 27409 bsmall@vertec.com URL - http://www.vertec.com ------------------------------ End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #186 ************************* 12-Mar-1996 15:29:57-GMT,1157;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14380 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 08:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA21065; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:27:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA21029 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:23:54 -0600 X-Sender: syssen@miso.wwa.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:22:44 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: syssen@wwa.com (Peter Christofferson) Subject: Memory problem Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: syssen@wwa.com (Peter Christofferson) One of our clients installed the Acrobat Reader 2.0 on a Win 3.11 system with 16MB of RAM. After installation, when the system restarts, he gets a message that there is no system memory available, and he is unable to launch any applications. Does anyone know what's causing this problem? Thanks, P. 12-Mar-1996 20:40:36-GMT,3159;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18068 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:40:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22110; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:33:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA22059 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:21:00 -0600 X-Sender: ggati@master Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:23:02 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) Subject: Summary: Using PDF Writer vs Distiller Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggati@adams.com (Gary Gatien) To All, "Thank you" to everyone who responded. Here's a summary, FYI, of the input I received. In general, Use PDF Writer if you: 1. want to convert simple documents from word processors and spreadsheets. 2. want to quickly convert internal, mostly text docs for archival purposes or intranet distribution. 3. only want a pdf file, not a book or more complex document. 4. don't care that you will lose FrameMaker hypertext links in the conversion to pdf. 5. don't use eps artwork or images. 6. don't care about the size of the pdf file. Use Distiller if you: 1. have more complex documents (e.g., PageMaker comes with Distiller; that's a hint all by itself). 2. want to preserve FrameMaker links. 3. have eps files in your document. 4. want smaller pdf files. 5. need a postscript printer driver (PDF writer has a non-ps driver). NOTE: "In a nutshell, many programs print differently to a PostScript printer driver than they do to a non-PostScript printer driver like PDFWriter. PostScript is a very powerful "page description language" and can hold detail better in a sense, like character positioning and vector graphics, so desktop publishing programs always are optimized to print best to PS printers as a result. "Distiller converts PS files exactly. PDFWriter in effect gets QuickDraw or GDI screen drawing commands direct from an application which may in fact _not_ be WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get), especially high-quality page layout and graphics applications. Try printing a pagelayout file to a fax modem or dot matrix printer if you want to see what I mean." 6. just need more horse power. "Distiller also has a lot more horsepower available to it since it's a standalone application, and therefore has capabilities that PDFWriter cannot: it can resample images, subset fonts, and make smaller files through consolidation of text strings. In addition, Distiller has a special language called PDFMark that can receive hypertext parameters from DTP applications and embed them in the PDF file as it is produced. These are many good reasons for switching to Distiller is you are serious about electronic publishing." Regards, Gary. Gary M. Gatien Mechanical Dynamics 2301 Commonwealth Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48105 email: ggati@adams.com FAX: (313) 994-6418 ph: (313) 913-2525 13-Mar-1996 14:59:28-GMT,1431;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA26528 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 07:59:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27458; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:56:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA27365 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:53:34 -0600 X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 13-Mar-1996 9:55:15 -0500; at im_sna_norwalk_2.mustmhs X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 13-Mar-1996 09:48:50 -0500 From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com Subject: Copyright, etc. Date: 13 Mar 96 09:48:42 EST Message-Id: <139A46318180BCD1@-SMF-> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) We'll be sending our first PDF document out to customers this month. We'll send Reader 2.1 and one PDF file. I don't want to forget any important "legal" pieces, so I'd appreciate your help. I know I have to send the ACROREAD.EXE and the README_R.TXT file. I also have to include the Adobe copyright information, which, along with being in the README_R.TXT file, I will put on the copyright page of my PDF file. Is there anything else I have to include? Thanks, for your help. Sue Liptak Thomson Software Products email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com 13-Mar-1996 14:59:35-GMT,2440;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA26533 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 07:59:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27460; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:56:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA27414 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:54:36 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:35:33 -0500 From: Theresa Norton To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: ELIZABET@wpo.jhpiego.org Subject: Summary: PM5-to-Acrobat: cutoff pages (was preserving 2-page spreads) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Theresa Norton Thanks to all who responded to my question about problems we were having converting a Pagemaker 5.0 for Windows document with 2-page spreads to Acrobat and retaining the 2-page layout properly. (We don't yet have PM6.) Piecing together all the tips people gave us, and a tip from Adobe tech support, here's the solution that worked for us. Maybe someone will find this useful. 1. In Pagemaker, select Utilities | Aldus Additions | Build Booklet. For Layout, select 2-up consecutive. (Note: Since our document is a half-size booklet, the resulting spread size is 11 x 8.5.) 2. Under File | Print, for Print To, select Acrobat Distiller. For Orientation, select the landscape icon. Under Options, be sure Printer Marks is deselected. Select Write to Postscript file and enter the filename. 3. Under File | Page Setup, for Page Size, select Custom. For Compose to Printer, select Distiller. 4. Print to the Postscript file. 5. Using Distiller, create the Acrobat file. Note that the resulting .PDF document at this point appears sideways (landscape) when viewed in Reader. 6. Using Exchange, open the .PDF file you just created. 7. Select Edit | Pages | Rotate. 8. In the Rotate dialog box, select Right and All Pages. After selecting OK and Yes in response to a prompt, you should see your document with the 2-page spread in the correct orientation. (If the orientation is wrong, you can keep fiddling with the rotation until it is correct.) 9. Save the .PDF file. The rotation you set should be saved with the file. 13-Mar-1996 16:46:21-GMT,2477;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27816 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA28103; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:42:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA28066 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:39:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:32:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199603131632.IAA16540@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. To: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <139A46318180BCD1@-SMF-> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Sue, There's also a file from Adobe called LICENSE.TXT that comes with the Reader. I recommend that you download a fresh copy of the Reader from Adobe's Web site onto a "clean" machine, install it, and see what README's, etc. there are -- include *everything* you get from Adobe on your disc and you're covered. I suggest supplying the Reader image as-is from Adobe (before it's installed) so that users can use the Adobe-supplied installation program -- it'll take care of resolving the differences between the different flavors of Windows environments your customers will have (3.1, 3.11, 95, and NT). Be sure to burn your CD following ISO 9660 file/directory naming rules so that both your Windows and Mac users will be able to use the disc (Mac users will have to download or otherwise acquire their own Reader, of course). Good luck. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. http://www.env-sol.com On 13 Mar 96, SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) wrote: >We'll be sending our first PDF document out to customers this month. >We'll send Reader 2.1 and one PDF file. > >I don't want to forget any important "legal" pieces, so I'd >appreciate your help. > >I know I have to send the ACROREAD.EXE and the README_R.TXT file. >I also have to include the Adobe copyright information, which, along >with being in the README_R.TXT file, I will put on the copyright page >of my PDF file. > >Is there anything else I have to include? > >Thanks, for your help. > >Sue Liptak >Thomson Software Products >email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com > > > 13-Mar-1996 18:28:00-GMT,1833;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29187 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:27:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28760; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:19:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA28664 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:15:49 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 13:07:20 PDT Message-Id: <9602138267.AA826740113@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak), PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com For users to properly run Acrobat you must send the full Acrobat Reader Installer and the ReadMe file that accompanies it. The installer includes Adobe's legal notice. Raeder has to be installed to funcytion properly. If you just send the Acrobat Reader, you will have font reproduction errors. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Copyright, etc. From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) at cc_smtp5 Date: 3/13/96 9:48 AM We'll be sending our first PDF document out to customers this month. We'll send Reader 2.1 and one PDF file. I don't want to forget any important "legal" pieces, so I'd appreciate your help. I know I have to send the ACROREAD.EXE and the README_R.TXT file. I also have to include the Adobe copyright information, which, along with being in the README_R.TXT file, I will put on the copyright page of my PDF file. Is there anything else I have to include? Thanks, for your help. Sue Liptak Thomson Software Products email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com 13-Mar-1996 21:45:13-GMT,1824;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01806 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00228; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:10:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA00176 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:01:15 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:49:54 -0500 (EST) From: Sharon Lensky To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Dynamic generation of PS files? In-Reply-To: <199602190550.XAA11340@grandcanyon.binc.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Sharon Lensky Hi folks, We have several online journal projects going, and we are at a premium for file space. What we'd like to do is store our PDF's on disk, and dynamically generate PostScript files from the PDF's if someone feels like viewing, printing, or downloading PostScript instead of PDF. (Of course *we* prefer PDF! :) It's been suggested to me that we use acroread (which we now have running on a Sparc) to do this. Anyone have any other slick ideas? We would want to generate a PS file when a user clicked on an HTML hyperlink or button of some kind. Thanks in advance for your brain power. Sharon Lensky --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manager, Journal Information Systems Internet: lensky@aps.org The American Physical Society telephone: (516) 576-2366 Woodbury, NY 11797-2999 FAX: (516) 349-7817 13-Mar-1996 22:21:14-GMT,2327;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02246 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00674; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:20:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA00636 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:18:21 -0600 X-btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 13:41 PST From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: lensky@aps.org, petrisjs@cbs.fiserv.com CC: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: Conversion of PDF to PS Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) The very latest Aladdin Ghostscript versions do a fine job of converting PDF to PS, aside from the fact that they don't have Adobe's Multiple Master fonts available to do font substitution, and there is a utility that comes with Ghostscript called ps2epsi that will create an EPS by computing the bounding box and (if desired) a bitmap preview at any resolution. The Ghostscript versions that really do PDF to PS properly haven't hit the streets yet, but I'll be happy to share them on an evaluation basis with anyone who is considering using them for production work. Regarding petrisjs's problem with line screens: I can't imagine why a conversion program would change the line screen in the process of converting PDF to PS. PDF files don't have any screening information at all, and well-behaved PS files don't either: it's provided by the RIP at rasterizing time. If you want a bitmap preview in the EPS file, ps2epsi will use whatever screen Ghostscript thinks is appropriate for the resolution you've asked for, but you can change this easily enough by feeding an appropriate setscreen command through Ghostscript as part of the ps2epsi job. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 Menlo Park, CA 94025 | -&- Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 13-Mar-1996 23:25:42-GMT,2501;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02983 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:25:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA01233; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:27:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA01176 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:25:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) From: Dick Gaskill Message-Id: <199603132222.OAA05482@birch.ag3d.com> To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com, SML@dart.thomsoft.com Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. Cc: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com, framers@uunet.uu.net, dickg@ag3d.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Dick Gaskill All, I recently received a message from the Adobe Legal Department via Adobe Marketing regarding what the requirements are for distributing AcroRead. Although I cannot post the message, I can say that there are currently no rules about distirbuting AcroRead. You do NOT have to use Adobe's installer or send any specific files. But it's YOUR responsibility to make sure it works RIGHT before you send it. I found if safer to simply compress the whole ACROREAD tree as it is installed on my hard disk by the Adobe installer, including the fonts, pfm, and help directories, but not the one called plug-ins (to save space). That way, everything works as advertised, including your PDFs. If your installer faithfully reporduces the tree, everything works fine, the readme is there, etc., and the compressed file fits neatly on one MSDOS 1.44 MB floppy. -dg > From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) > To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com > Subject: Copyright, etc. > Date: 13 Mar 96 09:48:42 EST > Message-Id: <139A46318180BCD1@-SMF-> > We'll be sending our first PDF document out to customers this month. > We'll send Reader 2.1 and one PDF file. > > I don't want to forget any important "legal" pieces, so I'd > appreciate your help. > > I know I have to send the ACROREAD.EXE and the README_R.TXT file. > I also have to include the Adobe copyright information, which, along > with being in the README_R.TXT file, I will put on the copyright page > of my PDF file. > > Is there anything else I have to include? > > Thanks, for your help. > > Sue Liptak > Thomson Software Products > email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com > 14-Mar-1996 2:38:57-GMT,1925;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA04687 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 19:38:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00185; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 21:46:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA00149 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 21:44:39 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 21:31:10 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Bowen To: Dick Gaskill Cc: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com, SML@dart.thomsoft.com, acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com, framers@uunet.uu.net, dickg@ag3d.com Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <199603132222.OAA05482@birch.ag3d.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Ken Bowen > I recently received a message from the Adobe Legal Department via ...snip... > I found if safer to simply compress the whole ACROREAD tree as it is > installed on my hard disk by the Adobe installer, including the fonts, We do two (alternative) things: A. We point our users at Adobe's Acrobat Web site: http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat to get things themselves. or B. We simply ship the installer as it comes from Adobe. The Mac 2.1 fits on a single disk, as does the Windows version. For DOS, we used pkzip to spread it over two disks. For Unix, we just throw everything (as received from Adobe) on the tape. || Ken Bowen Applied Logic Systems, Inc. PO Box 180, ||==== Voice: +1 (617)965-9191 Newton Centre, || FAX: +1 (617)965-1636 MA 02159 USA Email: ken@als.com WWW: http://www.als.com 14-Mar-1996 4:14:43-GMT,1980;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA05231 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 21:14:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00984; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:20:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA00949 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:19:19 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960314040342.0068a088@akgu01.ak.att.com> X-Sender: hpd@akgu01.ak.att.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:03:42 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Paul Debban Subject: Create Composite PDF Documents Using Batch Processing Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Paul Debban I have a series of reports in Postscript format which are generated by a variety of tools ranging from spreadsheets and word processors to statistical analysis programs and mainframe report generators. These reports are distilled automatically into PDF using an NT workstation and made available using a web server. I would like to create a batch file to combine related charts together into single bookmarked documents for web distribution. SPI Compose looks good for this application except that I do not see a way of doing this using a batch file or script without sending keystrokes between applications. I am willing to attempt the send keystroke method if there is no better way, but I would like to use a more robust programming method. Is there a better way? OLE? Secret command line incantations? Postscript wizardry? PDFmark secrets? Do I simply concatenate the .ps files before I distill them? _________________________________________________________________ Paul Debban hpd@smtp-gw.ak.att.com Phone: 770 798-2039 14-Mar-1996 5:53:35-GMT,13417;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05776 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 22:53:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01843; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:47:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA01805 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:45:14 -0600 From: Administrator_at_seahub@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 21:34:35 PDT Message-Id: <9602138267.AA826781706@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Message not deliverable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Administrator_at_seahub@mv.us.adobe.com PDF-DIGEST Wednesday, 13 March 1996 Volume 01 : Number 188 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 9 messages totalling 404 lines in this issue. Topics of the Day: 1. Copyright, etc. 2. Summary: PM5-to-Acrobat: cutoff pages (was preserving 3. Re: Copyright, etc. 4. Re: Copyright, etc. 5. Dynamic generation of PS files? 6. Re: Conversion of PDF to PS 7. Re: Copyright, etc. 8. Re: Copyright, etc. 9. Create Composite PDF Documents Using Batch Processing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) Date: 13 Mar 96 09:48:42 EST Subject: Copyright, etc. We'll be sending our first PDF document out to customers this month. We'll send Reader 2.1 and one PDF file. I don't want to forget any important "legal" pieces, so I'd appreciate your help. I know I have to send the ACROREAD.EXE and the README_R.TXT file. I also have to include the Adobe copyright information, which, along with being in the README_R.TXT file, I will put on the copyright page of my PDF file. Is there anything else I have to include? Thanks, for your help. Sue Liptak Thomson Software Products email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com ------------------------------ From: Theresa Norton Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:35:33 -0500 Subject: Summary: PM5-to-Acrobat: cutoff pages (was preserving 2-page spreads) Thanks to all who responded to my question about problems we were having converting a Pagemaker 5.0 for Windows document with 2-page spreads to Acrobat and retaining the 2-page layout properly. (We don't yet have PM6.) Piecing together all the tips people gave us, and a tip from Adobe tech support, here's the solution that worked for us. Maybe someone will find this useful. 1. In Pagemaker, select Utilities | Aldus Additions | Build Booklet. For Layout, select 2-up consecutive. (Note: Since our document is a half-size booklet, the resulting spread size is 11 x 8.5.) 2. Under File | Print, for Print To, select Acrobat Distiller. For Orientation, select the landscape icon. Under Options, be sure Printer Marks is deselected. Select Write to Postscript file and enter the filename. 3. Under File | Page Setup, for Page Size, select Custom. For Compose to Printer, select Distiller. 4. Print to the Postscript file. 5. Using Distiller, create the Acrobat file. Note that the resulting .PDF document at this point appears sideways (landscape) when viewed in Reader. 6. Using Exchange, open the .PDF file you just created. 7. Select Edit | Pages | Rotate. 8. In the Rotate dialog box, select Right and All Pages. After selecting OK and Yes in response to a prompt, you should see your document with the 2-page spread in the correct orientation. (If the orientation is wrong, you can keep fiddling with the rotation until it is correct.) 9. Save the .PDF file. The rotation you set should be saved with the file. ------------------------------ From: thiersch@ccnet.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:32:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. Sue, There's also a file from Adobe called LICENSE.TXT that comes with the Reader. I recommend that you download a fresh copy of the Reader from Adobe's Web site onto a "clean" machine, install it, and see what README's, etc. there are -- include *everything* you get from Adobe on your disc and you're covered. I suggest supplying the Reader image as-is from Adobe (before it's installed) so that users can use the Adobe-supplied installation program -- it'll take care of resolving the differences between the different flavors of Windows environments your customers will have (3.1, 3.11, 95, and NT). Be sure to burn your CD following ISO 9660 file/directory naming rules so that both your Windows and Mac users will be able to use the disc (Mac users will have to download or otherwise acquire their own Reader, of course). Good luck. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. http://www.env-sol.com On 13 Mar 96, SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) wrote: >We'll be sending our first PDF document out to customers this month. >We'll send Reader 2.1 and one PDF file. > >I don't want to forget any important "legal" pieces, so I'd >appreciate your help. > >I know I have to send the ACROREAD.EXE and the README_R.TXT file. >I also have to include the Adobe copyright information, which, along >with being in the README_R.TXT file, I will put on the copyright page >of my PDF file. > >Is there anything else I have to include? > >Thanks, for your help. > >Sue Liptak >Thomson Software Products >email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com > > > ------------------------------ From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 13:07:20 PDT Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. For users to properly run Acrobat you must send the full Acrobat Reader Installer and the ReadMe file that accompanies it. The installer includes Adobe's legal notice. Raeder has to be installed to funcytion properly. If you just send the Acrobat Reader, you will have font reproduction errors. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Copyright, etc. From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) at cc_smtp5 Date: 3/13/96 9:48 AM We'll be sending our first PDF document out to customers this month. We'll send Reader 2.1 and one PDF file. I don't want to forget any important "legal" pieces, so I'd appreciate your help. I know I have to send the ACROREAD.EXE and the README_R.TXT file. I also have to include the Adobe copyright information, which, along with being in the README_R.TXT file, I will put on the copyright page of my PDF file. Is there anything else I have to include? Thanks, for your help. Sue Liptak Thomson Software Products email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com ------------------------------ From: Sharon Lensky Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:49:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dynamic generation of PS files? Hi folks, We have several online journal projects going, and we are at a premium for file space. What we'd like to do is store our PDF's on disk, and dynamically generate PostScript files from the PDF's if someone feels like viewing, printing, or downloading PostScript instead of PDF. (Of course *we* prefer PDF! :) It's been suggested to me that we use acroread (which we now have running on a Sparc) to do this. Anyone have any other slick ideas? We would want to generate a PS file when a user clicked on an HTML hyperlink or button of some kind. Thanks in advance for your brain power. Sharon Lensky - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manager, Journal Information Systems Internet: lensky@aps.org The American Physical Society telephone: (516) 576-2366 Woodbury, NY 11797-2999 FAX: (516) 349-7817 ------------------------------ From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 13:41 PST Subject: Re: Conversion of PDF to PS The very latest Aladdin Ghostscript versions do a fine job of converting PDF to PS, aside from the fact that they don't have Adobe's Multiple Master fonts available to do font substitution, and there is a utility that comes with Ghostscript called ps2epsi that will create an EPS by computing the bounding box and (if desired) a bitmap preview at any resolution. The Ghostscript versions that really do PDF to PS properly haven't hit the streets yet, but I'll be happy to share them on an evaluation basis with anyone who is considering using them for production work. Regarding petrisjs's problem with line screens: I can't imagine why a conversion program would change the line screen in the process of converting PDF to PS. PDF files don't have any screening information at all, and well-behaved PS files don't either: it's provided by the RIP at rasterizing time. If you want a bitmap preview in the EPS file, ps2epsi will use whatever screen Ghostscript thinks is appropriate for the resolution you've asked for, but you can change this easily enough by feeding an appropriate setscreen command through Ghostscript as part of the ps2epsi job. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 Menlo Park, CA 94025 | -&- Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." ------------------------------ From: Dick Gaskill Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. All, I recently received a message from the Adobe Legal Department via Adobe Marketing regarding what the requirements are for distributing AcroRead. Although I cannot post the message, I can say that there are currently no rules about distirbuting AcroRead. You do NOT have to use Adobe's installer or send any specific files. But it's YOUR responsibility to make sure it works RIGHT before you send it. I found if safer to simply compress the whole ACROREAD tree as it is installed on my hard disk by the Adobe installer, including the fonts, pfm, and help directories, but not the one called plug-ins (to save space). That way, everything works as advertised, including your PDFs. If your installer faithfully reporduces the tree, everything works fine, the readme is there, etc., and the compressed file fits neatly on one MSDOS 1.44 MB floppy. - -dg > From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) > To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com > Subject: Copyright, etc. > Date: 13 Mar 96 09:48:42 EST > Message-Id: <139A46318180BCD1@-SMF-> > We'll be sending our first PDF document out to customers this month. > We'll send Reader 2.1 and one PDF file. > > I don't want to forget any important "legal" pieces, so I'd > appreciate your help. > > I know I have to send the ACROREAD.EXE and the README_R.TXT file. > I also have to include the Adobe copyright information, which, along > with being in the README_R.TXT file, I will put on the copyright page > of my PDF file. > > Is there anything else I have to include? > > Thanks, for your help. > > Sue Liptak > Thomson Software Products > email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com > ------------------------------ From: Ken Bowen Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 21:31:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. > I recently received a message from the Adobe Legal Department via ...snip... > I found if safer to simply compress the whole ACROREAD tree as it is > installed on my hard disk by the Adobe installer, including the fonts, We do two (alternative) things: A. We point our users at Adobe's Acrobat Web site: http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat to get things themselves. or B. We simply ship the installer as it comes from Adobe. The Mac 2.1 fits on a single disk, as does the Windows version. For DOS, we used pkzip to spread it over two disks. For Unix, we just throw everything (as received from Adobe) on the tape. || Ken Bowen Applied Logic Systems, Inc. PO Box 180, ||==== Voice: +1 (617)965-9191 Newton Centre, || FAX: +1 (617)965-1636 MA 02159 USA Email: ken@als.com WWW: http://www.als.com ------------------------------ From: Paul Debban Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:03:42 -0500 Subject: Create Composite PDF Documents Using Batch Processing I have a series of reports in Postscript format which are generated by a variety of tools ranging from spreadsheets and word processors to statistical analysis programs and mainframe report generators. These reports are distilled automatically into PDF using an NT workstation and made available using a web server. I would like to create a batch file to combine related charts together into single bookmarked documents for web distribution. SPI Compose looks good for this application except that I do not see a way of doing this using a batch file or script without sending keystrokes between applications. I am willing to attempt the send keystroke method if there is no better way, but I would like to use a more robust programming method. Is there a better way? OLE? Secret command line incantations? Postscript wizardry? PDFmark secrets? Do I simply concatenate the .ps files before I distill them? _________________________________________________________________ Paul Debban hpd@smtp-gw.ak.att.com Phone: 770 798-2039 ------------------------------ End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #188 ************************* 14-Mar-1996 13:34:05-GMT,1962;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA08355 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:32:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA05198; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:29:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA05160 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:26:51 -0600 Message-Id: <199603141318.AA05218@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:19:42 -0800 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Subject: Problems creating PDF from Excel To: acrobat@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Help! I'm trying to create a PDF file from MS Excel (Windows). I've created a postscript file using the Apple Laser Writer NTX driver (from Windows) then distilled the PS file on a Mac. When I view the PDF file, it looks fine _except_ the page breaks are all wrong. There appears to be some sort of problem with defining the top/bottom margins. I'm not sure if the problem is when I created the PS file, or when the PS file got distilled to PDF. Anyone have any ideas? I've also retried with the Windows generic PS driver -- but the same thing happened. Are there any "gotchas" in the Excel-to-PDF process that I should be aware of? TIA, +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. ---===[ This space for rent ]===--- 14-Mar-1996 16:35:51-GMT,1512;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09850 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06599; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:32:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA06545 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:29:41 -0600 X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 14-Mar-1996 11:31:23 -0500; at im_sna_norwalk_2.mustmhs X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 14-Mar-1996 11:23:12 -0500 From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: Copyright, etc. Date: 14 Mar 96 11:10:59 EST Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) Thanks to all of you who responded to my "copyright" question. Following is a comment that was sent to me that provides additional information. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: jkirkpat@im{MHS:jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com} Date: 13-Mar-1996 08:21:05 -0700 To: SML@hsys (Sue M Liptak) Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. Sue- You've covered all the bases. You don't need to put the copyright information in your PDF file if you don't want to. The license agreement that "pops up" with the install of the Acrobat Reader is all we are concerned about. Thanks for asking! Judy 14-Mar-1996 16:42:10-GMT,1272;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09945 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06676; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:36:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA06650 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:36:32 -0600 From: Ansani_Marian_R/atc_mail3-id@atc.alcoa.com X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 11:40:06 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Scanning into PDF files using Adobe Capture To: PDF-L@emrg.com Encoding: 15 text Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Ansani_Marian_R/atc_mail3-id@atc.alcoa.com Is anyone out there using Adobe Capture to convert TIFF files to PDF files? We are having problems with accuracy, especially tables with borders, percent signs, fonts. Data is being changed and is inaccurate. We have very little experience in scanning. A vendor is doing our scanning and has run into these problems. Any helpful comments are welcome! What are the alternatives? Please reply to me at - ansani_mr@atc.alcoa.com. Thank you, Marian 14-Mar-1996 18:49:02-GMT,1585;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11624 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:48:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA07716; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:45:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA07680 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:43:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:35:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199603141935.LAA31744@fosse.virage.com> X-Sender: robertc@cliff X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Robert Crews Subject: txt2pdf or dvi2pdf ? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Robert Crews Does any one know of a program that will create PDF files from plain text? I'm looking for something that will run under IRIX, but I'll be satisfied if I can get something that runs under Solaris. It would be great if I could get freeware source code. Any ideas? Also, a dvi to PDF converter would be great too. Thanks in advance, Robert ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert Crews Virage Incorporated Senior Technical Writer 9605 Scranton Road, Suite 240 robertc@virage.com San Diego, CA 92121 Phone: (619) 587-4062 www.virage.com Fax: (619) 587-4070 ----------------------------------------------------------- 14-Mar-1996 19:38:43-GMT,6832;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12255 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08010; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:32:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA07976 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:30:21 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 14:26:03 PST Message-Id: <9602148268.AA826831146@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: PDF FORMAT CHOSEN FOR GRAPHIC ARTS EXCHANGE Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Hot off the wires! -------------------------------------------------------- For Immediate Release For More Information February 26, 1996 Contact Mary Abbott 703/264-7200 PDF FORMAT CHOSEN FOR GRAPHIC ARTS EXCHANGE The Committee for Graphic Arts Technologies Standards (CGATS) has announced that Subcommittee 6 of CGATS has selected Adobe System's Portable Document Format (PDF) as a basis for a standard to address the industry requirement for digital distribution of printing data. CGATS formed SC6 in response to a need to develop standards to permit transmission of digital ad data electronically. According to Gerd Koehler, Chairman of SC6: "The Digital Distribution of Advertising for Publications (DDAP) Association has been lobbying for the use of industry standards to allow digital ad distribution for some time. SC6, in response to this need, is developing standards that will allow for digital ad distribution as well as facilitate digital data exchange of composite page data for other print applications." SC6 is finalizing the user technical requirements to summarize the needs of the industry. Based on these requirements, two standards will be written. One will focus on the exchange of raster data based on the work of IT8 and ISO TC 130. TIFF/IT-P1 (ANSI IT8.8-1993 and ISO 12639) will be the basis for this work which will allow the exchange of rendered pages targeted to a variety of printing processes in a transport-independent format. The challenge of transferring a combination of object-oriented data and raster data concurrently has been more difficult to resolve. The solution will be a second standard, titled "Graphic technology exchange of digital page data in final form using PDF". The standard will detail a transport independent exchange mechanism based on Adobe's PDF data exchange format. The PDF format is open-ended and allows TIFF/IT-P1 raster data objects to be packaged within a PDF file and linked to PDF objects. Application software that accepts PDF, such as Adobe Acrobat, could view the TIFF/IT-P1 information with an appropriate TIFF/IT viewing plug-in. Steve Zilles, Manager of Standards for Adobe Systems, said: "Adobe is delighted that SC6 has chosen this path forward. PDF was developed to meet the needs of many industries transferring, in a device-independent form, data targeted for rendering on a variety of different rendering engines from personal computer screens to printing presses. We are working closely with SC6 to define a process that fits this specialized application." PDF is a file format used to represent a document in a manner independent of the application software, hardware and operating system used to create it. PDF, the Portable Document Format, has been published as a publicly available specification by Adobe Systems. Some of the key elements to be included in this CGATS standard: #007# Fonts will be included with the PDF to assure rendering with the exact same font and font metrics. #007# Raster data will be accommodated by incorporating or calling external files, including TIFF/IT-P1. #007# Data to be exchanged will include single colors or CMYK process colors with colorimetric characterization data to assure correct color rendering. The initial requirements for these standards are based on The Digital Distribution of Advertising for Publications (DDAP) User Requirement Specification - Version 3.2, published by the DDAP Association. SC6 is seeking additional input and participation from the industry as it finalizes these standards to assure a process that can be utilized by the printing industry with as broad an applicability as possible. CGATS was formed in 1987 following a year-long assessment of the need for an umbrella standards committee by the Image Technology Standards Board (ITSB) of the American National Standards Institute (ANSI), and received ANSI accreditation in 1989. CGATS' responsibility is to coordinate the entire scope of printing and publishing technologies in one national standardization effort, while respecting the established activities of existing accredited standards committees and industry standards developers. CGATS writes standards only where the need exists and no other committee is undertaking the writing. Thus, in addition to developing standards for the industry, CGATS also provides a vehicle for other industry organizations who have specifications to work under the CGATS "umbrella" to move their work into the standards arena, and have the work further developed and approved as an American National Standard. The committee works to improve the efficiency of national standards development, facilitates information exchange, coordinates multi-discipline standards activities and provides liaison for international standards development. The committee currently has more than 65 members, with over 100 organizations represented in the various CGATS subcommittees. NPES The Association for Suppliers of Printing and Publishing Technologies serves as Secretariat to CGATS. Information on CGATS activities and how you can become involved can be obtained by contacting Mary Abbott, Director of Standards Programs; Voice: 703-264-7200; Fax: 703-620-0994; E-mail: 70732.2023@compuserve.com. Information on standards development is also available through the NPES site on the World Wide Web: http://www.npes.org. NPES is a national trade association representing more than 300 member companies engaged in the manufacture, sale and distribution of equipment, supplies, systems, software and services for printing, publishing and graphic communications. NPES is a co-sponsor of the GRAPH EXPO and PRINT shows, the leading exhibitions of printing, publishing and graphic communications technology in the Americas, and CONCEPPTS , The Prepublishing Conference and Exhibition. # # # 14-Mar-1996 19:42:27-GMT,992;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12305 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08110; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:36:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA08083 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:36:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:36:00 -0700 (MST) From: Mark Doyle Message-Id: <199603141936.MAA09801@mmm.lanl.gov> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: txt2pdf or dvi2pdf ? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Mark Doyle > Also, a dvi to PDF converter would be great too. See http://xxx.lanl.gov/hypertex/ for more information about this. You will also want Sebastian Rahtz's hyperref package for LaTeXe available from the CTAN sites. Cheers, Mark 14-Mar-1996 22:17:07-GMT,2063;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13765 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:16:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09170; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:58:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA09072 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:50:22 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 15:58:14 PST Message-Id: <9602148268.AA826839601@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Dynamic generation of PS files? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com I don't know how scriptable Acroread is on Sun, but this process works very well on Sun with Exchange, and is being used by integrators like Casacde. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Dynamic generation of PS files? From: Sharon Lensky at cc_smtp2 Date: 3/13/96 1:37 PM Hi folks, We have several online journal projects going, and we are at a premium for file space. What we'd like to do is store our PDF's on disk, and dynamically generate PostScript files from the PDF's if someone feels like viewing, printing, or downloading PostScript instead of PDF. (Of course *we* prefer PDF! :) It's been suggested to me that we use acroread (which we now have running on a Sparc) to do this. Anyone have any other slick ideas? We would want to generate a PS file when a user clicked on an HTML hyperlink or button of some kind. Thanks in advance for your brain power. Sharon Lensky --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manager, Journal Information Systems Internet: lensky@aps.org The American Physical Society telephone: (516) 576-2366 Woodbury, NY 11797-2999 FAX: (516) 349-7817 15-Mar-1996 4:10:16-GMT,2802;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16187 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:10:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA12173; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:07:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA12131 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:04:05 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960315040154.006b709c@rudy.mv.us.adobe.com> X-Sender: pkoolish@rudy.mv.us.adobe.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:01:54 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Pete Koolish Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Pete Koolish Let me clarify the situation with regards to the installation of the Acrobat Reader - it MUST be installed using the installer that comes from Adobe. It is NOT permissable to simply copy the applicable files and distribute them as stated in the message below. The end-user license agreement, agreed to when installing the Reader, states the following: 1. ... . You may make unlimited copies of the Software and give copies to other persons or entities as long as the copies contain this Agreement and the same copyright and other proprietary notices that appear on or in the Software. Pete Koolish Acrobat Evangelist Adobe Developers Association >Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) >From: Dick Gaskill >To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com, SML@dart.thomsoft.com >Subject: Re: Copyright, etc. >Cc: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com, framers@uunet.uu.net, > dickg@ag3d.com >Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com >X-Sender: Dick Gaskill > >All, > >I recently received a message from the Adobe Legal Department via >Adobe Marketing regarding what the requirements are for distributing >AcroRead. Although I cannot post the message, I can say that there are >currently no rules about distirbuting AcroRead. You do NOT have to use >Adobe's installer or send any specific files. But it's YOUR responsibility >to make sure it works RIGHT before you send it. > >I found if safer to simply compress the whole ACROREAD tree as it is >installed on my hard disk by the Adobe installer, including the fonts, >pfm, and help directories, but not the one called plug-ins (to save >space). That way, everything works as advertised, including your >PDFs. If your installer faithfully reporduces the tree, everything >works fine, the readme is there, etc., and the compressed file fits >neatly on one MSDOS 1.44 MB floppy. > >-dg > > 15-Mar-1996 7:34:36-GMT,1701;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA17816 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:34:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA14401; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:33:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA14364 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:31:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:41:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199603150741.QAA09754@gol1.gol.com> X-Sender: roger@popmail.gol.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: "Roger D. Williams" Subject: Is my face red! Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Roger D. Williams" To those who suggested what might have been responsible for text with a wavy right margin in a PDF file when the original PM5 file was justified, thank you! I was embarassed to discover than an unintentional change in the style for text in the original document by an inexperienced member of staff had in fact substituted ragged-right for justified, so the PDF was mirroring the PM5 perfectly! Next time I will do a little more checking before bothering all you busy and knowledgeable people!! We missed this for a while because we were looking at the PRINTED PM5 file and comparing it with the PDF. Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: www.gol.com/adex Niftyserve: CXQ10206 15-Mar-1996 13:28:52-GMT,2226;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA19148 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 06:28:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA16558; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:27:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA16526 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:26:16 -0600 Message-ID: <31492A15.15FF@cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:28:05 +0000 From: "Michael A. Friedman" Reply-To: maf3@cornell.edu Organization: Albert R. Mann Library X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com CC: Bill Garrison , Howard Raskin Subject: Capture and HP Vectra XM References: <199603150550.XAA13079@grandcanyon.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Michael A. Friedman" Is anyone using Capture with a HP Vectra XM?? We tried to but it doesn't work. Adobe isn't being very helpful in solving the problem. They claim they know of a problem with earlier version of the BIOS on the Vectras (there are a dozen or so models of Vectras and Adobe suggested using the newest BIOS available). We have a Vectra that is one month old and Adobe claims they know of no troubles with the new Vectra. They have not continued to work with us on this problem and we are very discouraged with their lack of support. We have since installed Capture on a Gateway 486 66MHz and it works amazingly well!! I love the program but don't like the technical support. We are going to run the Capture on an IBM 133MHz with 40MB ram and I hope that it will work. I would like to hear how others have found Adobe's support. I recommend and do recommend Adobe Products but am leary of their support. thanks for listening to me rant and rave. michael -- Michael A. Friedman Full Text Specialist Albert R. Mann Library Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 607-255-5680 maf3@cornell.edu 15-Mar-1996 18:27:28-GMT,3183;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21299 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:27:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA18518; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:17:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA18464 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:14:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199603151813.MAA24260@glacier.binc.net> To: Robert Crews cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: txt2pdf or dvi2pdf ? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:35:51 -0800. <199603141935.LAA31744@fosse.virage.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:12:30 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith In your message of Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:35:51 -0800 you said: >Does any one know of a program that will create PDF files from plain >text? I'm looking for something that will run under IRIX, but I'll be >satisfied if I can get something that runs under Solaris. It would be >great if I could get freeware source code. Any ideas? Try http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/pdfcorner/text2pdf/ I wrote this program ages ago, but never got round to tidying it up. It's really a very simple program. Normally you just do something like text2pdf myfile > myfile.pdf The full help is appended below. Binaries for Solaris 2.4, SunOS 4.1.1 and MS-DOS are at the above web page. The source is also there, and should be easy to compile. Hope this helps. Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK me@mymachine> text2pdf -h text2pdf [options] [filename] text2pdf makes a 7-bit clean PDF file (version 1.0) from any input file. It reads from standard input or a named file, and writes to standard output. Note that it doesn't write to standard output initially, but creates a temporary file and copies this to stdout at the end. There are various options as follows: -h show this message -f use PostScript (must be in standard 14, default: Courier) -s use font at given pointsize (default 10) -v use given line spacing (default 12 points) -l lines per page (default 60, determined automatically if unspecified) -c maximum characters per line (default 80) -t spaces per tab character (default 8) -A4 use A4 paper (default Letter) -A3 use A3 paper (default Letter) -x independent paper width in points -y independent paper height in points -2 format in 2 columns -L landscape mode Note that where one variable is implied by two options, the second option takes precedence for that variable. (e.g. -A4 -y500) In landscape mode, page width and height are simply swapped over before formatting, no matter how or when they were defined. text2pdf v1.0 (c) Phil Smith, 1996 15-Mar-1996 19:03:01-GMT,2447;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21661 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:02:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA18805; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:55:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA18760 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:53:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:51:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199603151851.NAA27790@tequesta.gate.net> X-Sender: chrisl@pop.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Subject: Re: Scanning into PDF files using Adobe Capture X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) >Is anyone out there using Adobe Capture to convert TIFF files to PDF files? >We are having problems with accuracy, especially tables with borders, >percent signs, fonts. Data is being changed and is inaccurate. Unfortunately, this is the nature of the OCR business and is not a shortcoming of Capture. We have done a number of large jobs using Capture and found it to be at least as good at the OCR as other packages. The added capability of font and format approximation make it superior to most other packages (most other packages just give you a text file). However you will never get 100% accuracy when doing OCR (70% to 99% is probably a better guess) which means that a manual clean-up phase must always be involved if you need high accuracy (even with manual clean up I wouldn't promise a customer 100% accuracy... might go to 99.5%). In order to increase the accuracy of the initial OCR process you should use at least 300dpi scans of clean pages (preferably with white background). In addition the fonts used on the paper can make a big difference in OCR results. If you can control the print fonts, try serif fonts (maybe someone from Adobe would care to venture what the BEST fonts to use would be). I believe that Capture uses a dictionary during the OCR process which would be nice if you could turn off (I believe that is the source if your "data is being changed" problem) but I am not aware of a way to do it (maybe someone else has the answer to that). Chris Lane Computer Multimedia Productions 15-Mar-1996 20:45:00-GMT,1932;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22493 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:44:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA19641; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:35:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA19598 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:33:15 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:32:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603152032.MAA10656@ferrari.sfu.ca> X-Sender: lmartin@popserver.sfu.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: LMARTIN@SFU.CA (Lindsey Thomas Martin) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: LMARTIN@SFU.CA (Lindsey Thomas Martin) >I believe that Capture uses a >dictionary during the OCR process which would be nice if you could turn off >(I believe that is the source if your "data is being changed" problem) but = I >am not aware of a way to do it (maybe someone else has the answer to that). Mr Lane is probably correct. We use OmniPage Pro to scan a variety of copy.= The negative effect of the application's sophistication is that it only= marks (~) those instances where it has not been able to supply an= interpretation of the character scanned. If the application finds an= acceptable interpretation in its dictionary, it will insert that character= and only close proof-reading will detect the inaccuracy. But close= proof-reading is necessary for any printed piece and I doubt whether= anything is published more than 95% free from errors. >If you can control >the print fonts, try serif fonts Non-proportional fonts are also relatively easy to scan but I imagine that= changing to non-proportional from proportional would mean re-formatting the= tables. LTM 15-Mar-1996 22:25:47-GMT,1691;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23256 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA20508; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:19:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA20433 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:13:21 -0600 X-btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 12:12 PST From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: pns@Cs.Nott.AC.UK CC: robertc@virage.com, PDF-L@emrg.com In-reply-to: <199603151813.MAA24260@glacier.binc.net> (pns@Cs.Nott.AC.UK) Subject: Re: txt2pdf or dvi2pdf ? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) >>Does any one know of a program that will create PDF files from plain >>text? I'm looking for something that will run under IRIX, but I'll be >>satisfied if I can get something that runs under Solaris. It would be >>great if I could get freeware source code. Any ideas? Another approach is to use genscript (or Ghostscript's gslp program, or any of a number of other free text-to-PostScript programs) and then your favorite distiller for converting PostScript to PDF. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only); fax +1-415-322-1734 Menlo Park, CA 94025 | -&- Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 15-Mar-1996 23:44:48-GMT,1774;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23863 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21199; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:36:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA21158 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:35:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199603152330.AA16616@interlock.halnet.com> X-Sender: lavonna@pigeon X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:27:31 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: LaVonna Funkhouser Subject: Indexing PDFs on an internal web Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: LaVonna Funkhouser This might be an unusual request, so please stand by. My client has an internal web network or "intranet." It consists mostly of HTML files, but some documents are in PDF and linked to HTML indexes. The administrator uses Harvest to find and index every word in the HTML documents, but it is not able to index the text of the PDF documents. Q: Is it possible to create an index (perhaps with Catalog) of PDF documents that can be read and indexed by a Harvester? If you need more explanation, please let me know. Thanks, LaVonna LaVonna F. Funkhouser, COREComm lffunkhouser@halnet.com (work) You are invited to browse our web site: http://www.corecomm.com/corecomm/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My opinions do not officially represent anyone other than me. 18-Mar-1996 18:10:23-GMT,1297;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12793 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:10:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03297; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:56:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03224 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:39:37 -0600 From: Jaspreet Singh Message-Id: <9603181655.AA01803@charlesworth.com> Subject: Cropping While Distilling To: PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:55:32 +0000 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jaspreet Singh Hi. I want to crop pages on a postsript file while it is being distilled. I've heard that you can pass commands to distiller inside the postscript file. So I was wondering if it was possible to pass commands to distiller telling it you want this file cropped a certain amount. ie An A3 page to A4 If it is possible, what form do these command take and is there any information on any other command availble. Thanks in advance jas@charlesworth.com 18-Mar-1996 19:47:09-GMT,2992;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13702 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA03813; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:36:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA03786 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:35:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:35:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199603181935.NAA14934@glacier.binc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: jcook@emrg.com (John Cook) Subject: Sys-Print, Inc (Mainframe or PC based software generating PDF's) Cc: RBoer11692@aol.com, jcook@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jcook@emrg.com (John Cook) I recently received the following message from a vendor who has been working in the ACROBAT-ic marketplace for more than two years, and has a top-notch client list to show for it!! In the interests of providing the widest possible .PDF product awareness I am forwarding this message to the group. Please note that EMERGE is NOT now a re-seller of any Sys-Print products, and so all questions about them should be directed to Mr. Boerner, the author of this missive. ENJOY!! John Cook, EMERGE. ***************************************************************************** >From: RBoer11692@aol.com >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:26:43 -0500 >To: jcook@emrg.com >Subject: Sys-Print, Inc (Mainframe or PC based software generating PDF's) > >Hello ... > >My name is Robert R. Boerner and I work for Sys-Print, Inc. > >Sys-Print is listed in the Adobe product catalog as a high end tool for PDF >generation. > >Sys-Print software was developed in early 1994 and its major focus is to >convert print data from mainframe systems directly to PDF files without the >use of postscript files. > >Sys-Print software will run on mainframe computers both MVS and DOS/VSE >systems. >Sys-Print will also run on PC's (DOS) running under Windows or Windows 95. > >Sys-Print software can convert the following: > > SYSOUT DATA from mainframe systems. > METACODE used to drive Xerox Lasers > AFP IBM's Page lanuage > PC Print files From any PC > HP Systems HP Network printers > More to come > >The software will not only convert this data to PDF's (including ture PDF >FORMS) but will also Bookmark this data as it is being processed. > >Speeds of 15 to 20 pages per second are being reported by our users. > >Sys-Print has just released software that will create PDF's and Postscript >files during the same pass for clients that want to print and save documents >at the same time. > >Thanks, > >Robert R. Boerner >VP Product Devel. > >Voice 215-639-1108 >Fax 215-638-1180 >RBoer11692@aol.com > >Sys-Print Home Page www.libertynet.org/~sysprint > > 18-Mar-1996 23:23:46-GMT,1384;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15742 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:23:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA04652; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:48:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04633 for capture-outgoing; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:48:08 -0600 Message-Id: <9603182247.AA13607@nimbus.worldbank.org> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 17:55:41 -0500 From: "Larry W. Austin" Organization: The World Bank X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4c) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: capture-l@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat Capture v1.01 and WindowsNT X-Url: http://www.emrg.com/ed_lists.html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-capture-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: capture-l@emrg.com X-Sender: "Larry W. Austin" Hi, I've read the FAQ, but still want to ask this question... Am I to assume that Capture v1.01 will not run under WinNT? I've been testing multiuser-NT (e.g. NCD WinCenter) and would be interested in a scenario that allowed Capture users to use a centralized system - a Capture complete capture service, including the reviewer... Larry 19-Mar-1996 19:39:59-GMT,1422;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24700 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:39:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10637; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:16:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA10549 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:03:52 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:06:51 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Quark to PDF, banding in blends Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <286D499455F@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" We are using the Acrobat Distiller Printer Description File from Quark in the Page Setup, and when we Distill files, we are getting banding in the graduated tint areas. Does anyone have any suggestions? ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 19-Mar-1996 20:24:16-GMT,3281;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25273 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:23:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10947; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:01:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA10930 for capture-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:01:44 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960319195930.00757b64@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:59:30 -0600 To: capture-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: RE: Error Message Sender: owner-capture-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: capture-l@emrg.com X-Sender: Glenn Gernert >After spending many minutes on hold with Adobe, all they could offer was >"someone installed an older version of WIN32S after Capture was installed." >We know this was not the case. Perchance you want to follow that train of thought....here is what you need to do. It certainly would not hurt to reinstall the Win32 components....though my experience has been that this has not made a significant improvement. Give us a report if you try this glg xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reinstalling the Win32s Components From the Capture Installation Disks To reinstall the Win32s components from the Adobe Acrobat Capture 1.0 installation diskettes, you must first remove any Win32s files already on the system. The Capture installer will not reinstall the Win32s files when they are already present on the system. To remove the Win32s components: 1. Delete the WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WIN32S subdirectory. 2. Use the Windows File Manager to search for and delete any files with the following prefixes: WIN32*.* W32*.* NOTE: Make sure you search your entire hard drive, including any drive partitions. 3. Open the SYSTEM.INI file, located in the WINDOWS directory, in a text editor that saves in text-only format (e.g., Windows Write, Notepad) and remark out the "device=c:\windows\system\win32s\w32s.386" line in the [386Enh] section by placing a semicolon at the beginning of the line. For example: [386Enh] ;device=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WIN32S\W32S.386 4. Save the SYSTEM.INI file as text-only, then restart Windows and reinstall Capture. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 19-Mar-1996 23:25:23-GMT,1839;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27321 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:25:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA11840; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:40:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA11793 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:37:30 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:40:08 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Adobe Acrobat Reader/ Print Central Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <28A62973A29@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" I have a client testing a CD we developed, and are distributing with Adobe Acrobat Reader w/ Search. They installed it on a Mac that had Pagemaker 6, and uses a print spooler called Print Central. Since the installation, they have not been able to spool jobs (they are getting an error message: Pagemaker has lost connection w/ printer, publication or network problem, resume/continue) When they try to continue, nothing happens. Do I have a corrupt version of the Reader? Is the Reader packaged with the Search for CD-ROMs (Mac) newer than the version shipped with Pagemaker (Mac)? Any help would be appreciated! ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 19-Mar-1996 23:42:44-GMT,2247;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27553 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:42:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12288; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:27:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12248 for capture-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:26:43 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960319232424.0074c248@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:24:24 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, capture-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Capture $895 - AIIM Show Special Pricing Sender: owner-capture-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: capture-l@emrg.com X-Sender: Glenn Gernert EMERGE is happy to be partnering with Adobe Systems to offer special AIIM Show pricing on Acrobat Capture 1.01. During the show, Capture will be available for $895 (eight hundred ninety five dollars). AIIM 96 is a major document management industry conference and trade show set for March 31 to April 3 in Chicago. See for show details. EMERGE representatives will be in the Adobe booth to take your orders. See you at the show!! Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 20-Mar-1996 0:19:57-GMT,2210;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27946 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:19:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12308; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:28:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12249 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:26:43 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960319232424.0074c248@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:24:24 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, capture-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Capture $895 - AIIM Show Special Pricing Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert EMERGE is happy to be partnering with Adobe Systems to offer special AIIM Show pricing on Acrobat Capture 1.01. During the show, Capture will be available for $895 (eight hundred ninety five dollars). AIIM 96 is a major document management industry conference and trade show set for March 31 to April 3 in Chicago. See for show details. EMERGE representatives will be in the Adobe booth to take your orders. See you at the show!! Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 20-Mar-1996 0:52:16-GMT,1084;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28221 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12626; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:00:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12596 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:59:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:54:18 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199603200054.KAA03026@tornado.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: mdf@pop.netspace.net.au (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Subject: Install Distiller Win 95 Problem X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdf@mdf.com.au (Martin Allen) Trying to install Distiller 2.1 on Windows 95 system. Installation program comes up with error "this program is not a Win32s application". Can anybody advise? 20-Mar-1996 3:15:46-GMT,1663;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01964 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:15:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13704; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:48:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA13665 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:45:26 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960320024750.006aae08@irin.com> X-Sender: brud@irin.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:47:50 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Brud Jones Subject: Missing Pages in Exchange Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brud Jones I am distilling a PS file created in Quark and the page appears fine in the Distiller thumbnail window, however when you try to view the page in Exchange it says the data is too complex. I seems to be distilling correctly and gives no errors. All the other pages distilled fine. Contents: two column text box two Illustrator EPS's (signatures) one photo approx. 1"x1" Has anyone ever run into the same problem? _______________________________________________________________ Brud Jones Phone: (816)421-0683 Corporate Document Systems Fax: (816)474-1237 913 Baltimore Voice Mail: (816)840-4755 Kansas City, MO 64105 Pager: (816)691-9969 Email: brud@irin.com brud@sky.net 20-Mar-1996 5:55:57-GMT,2384;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05348 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA14752; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:49:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA14719 for capture-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:48:55 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960320054634.008afc00@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:46:34 -0600 To: Capture-l@emrg.com, PDF-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Capture Samples on Web Sender: owner-capture-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: capture-l@emrg.com X-Sender: Glenn Gernert Some nice Capture sample documents (if I do say so myself) are now available on the web at . These documents were produce by EMERGE for one of our clients, TranSwitch Corporation, of Shelton, Connecticut. TranSwitch designs, and develops highly integrated digital and mixed-signal semiconductor solutions for the telecommunications and data communications markets. FYI....these documents were scanned at 400 dpi on a Richo IS-60 scanner. The resulting TIFFs were processed with Capture 1.01 using the PDF 'normal' output option. Clean-up work was done with Capture Reviewer. Take a look!! Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 20-Mar-1996 6:16:10-GMT,2347;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05767 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:16:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA14766; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:50:03 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA14718 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:48:55 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960320054634.008afc00@emrg.com> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:46:34 -0600 To: Capture-l@emrg.com, PDF-l@emrg.com From: Glenn Gernert Subject: Capture Samples on Web Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Glenn Gernert Some nice Capture sample documents (if I do say so myself) are now available on the web at . These documents were produce by EMERGE for one of our clients, TranSwitch Corporation, of Shelton, Connecticut. TranSwitch designs, and develops highly integrated digital and mixed-signal semiconductor solutions for the telecommunications and data communications markets. FYI....these documents were scanned at 400 dpi on a Richo IS-60 scanner. The resulting TIFFs were processed with Capture 1.01 using the PDF 'normal' output option. Clean-up work was done with Capture Reviewer. Take a look!! Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 21-Mar-1996 14:50:16-GMT,1550;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19729 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:50:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA24149; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:41:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA24092 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:28:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 96 09:23:30 EST From: "itr" Encoding: 25 Text Message-Id: <9602218274.AA827429187@relay1.proteon.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: How do you get sharp art in .pdf files? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "itr" I have Frame 5.01 on the PC for windows, Acrobat for Workgroups, and Corel 5. I am distilling Frame files with the graphics imported by reference and making .pdf files. The graphics are detailed and shaded. o Is it better to use .tif files or .eps files for the graphics? I want the files to be clear when opened in Acrobat Reader and print out with reasonable clarity. o What are the best settings to use for each of the software? Frame Corel Acrobat Distiller o Is it easier to get clear graphics by using Adobe Illustrator instead of Corel? Thanks in advance for your help. Irene Rubin Proteon, Inc. Westborough, MA 22-Mar-1996 6:37:30-GMT,1351;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00623 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:37:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA28724; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:14:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA28205 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:05:42 -0600 From: PSSchroder@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 01:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: <960322003800_174429846@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, FreeHand-L@galileo.uafadm.alaska.edu Subject: TAN: Scanned maps to vector formats Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: PSSchroder@aol.com Hi all. Sorry for the brief distraction. Someone I know has a large number of maps that they need scanned and converted to vector graphics. I am finding out more details (such as whether the maps are color, and what the ultimate end use is). They want to find a company that will take these drawings and convert them to what they need. Anyone out there offering the service, or knows the best way to approach it? Please e-mail me directly, and I will in the meantime find out more information. Again, sorry for the digression. Phil Smith PSSchroder@aol.com 22-Mar-1996 7:43:07-GMT,1153;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA02944 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA29417; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 01:40:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA29379 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 01:38:14 -0600 From: rey@ams.org Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 02:37:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: I'm Out Of The Office To: PDF-L@EMRG.COM Reply-to: postmaster@MATH.AMS.ORG Message-id: <01I2MG9988IS0006T5@AXP14.AMS.ORG> Organization: American Mathematical Society MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@EMRG.COM Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rey@ams.org This message has been generated automatically. (To prevent mail loops, please do not reply to it.) REY will be out of the office until mid-April. If you need immediate attention please call Terri at (401)455-4033 or send e-mail to tmc@ams.org 22-Mar-1996 14:13:28-GMT,2006;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10972 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 07:13:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA30983; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 08:04:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA30933 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 08:00:00 -0600 X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 22-Mar-1996 9:04:28 -0500; at im_sna_norwalk_2.mustmhs X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 22-Mar-1996 08:53:54 -0500 From: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat 2.0 files with Reader 21. Date: 22 Mar 96 08:53:34 EST Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: SML@dart.thomsoft.com (Sue M Liptak) I have PDF files that were created from Exchange 2.0 (one of these is the PR2.PDF that was installed in my ACROREAD directory when I installed Reader 2.0 that can with Acrobat Pro). (I am on a PC with Windows.) When I try to print these files (with the latest printer driver), I get the following message in the Reader: "An error occurred while downloading a font. This document might not print correctly." On my HP printer, I get the following printed: "Offending Command = BlendAxisTypes Error = nametype:undefined this name is not defined in a dictionary Stack = false dvlen --nostringval--" Looking at the list of fonts for the PDF's that won't print from Reader 2.1, the common thing seems to be that they use a font, such as Palatino, that is being substituted with either AdobeSansMM or AdobeSerifMM. I'll appreciate any suggestions on resolving this problem. I hope I don't have to install Exchange 2.1 and re-distill all of my files. Thanks for your help. Sue Liptak Thomson Software Products email: sml@dart.thomsoft.com