From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 03:45:46 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA28949 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 03:45:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA32453 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:24:59 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA32450 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:24:57 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22405; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:28:48 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02490; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:29:14 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802021029.LAA02490@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Problem with pdf files from pdfTeX on Mac In-Reply-To: from Tobias Oetiker at "Jan 7, 98 11:55:46 pm" To: oetiker@ee.ethz.ch (Tobias Oetiker), roya@ee.ethz.ch (Roya Soleymani) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:29:14 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello Tobi a Roya, first, many thanks for your patience and willing to get my Mac work. I would never manage it without your help. second, I hope that the problem with pdf files from pdftex on Mac is fixed now. The last test was the source of TeX-- The program (tex.pdf). Well, my Mac is very old and slow, so I couldn't view each page (it takes about a minute to display a page!), but it seems to be ok. Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 04:23:43 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA29768 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:23:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA32605 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:05:31 -0500 Received: from ee.ethz.ch (ee00.ethz.ch [129.132.98.179]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA32602 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:05:28 -0500 Received: from engelberg.ee.ethz.ch (engelberg.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.7.69]) by ee.ethz.ch (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17022; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:09:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (oetiker@localhost) by engelberg.ee.ethz.ch (8.8.4/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA12024; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:09:08 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: engelberg.ee.ethz.ch: oetiker owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:09:08 +0100 (MET) From: Tobias Oetiker To: Han The Thanh cc: Roya Soleymani , PDFTEX Subject: Re: Problem with pdf files from pdfTeX on Mac In-Reply-To: <199802021029.LAA02490@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Han The Thanh wrote: > Hello Tobi a Roya, > > first, many thanks for your patience and willing to get my Mac work. I > would never manage it without your help. > > second, I hope that the problem with pdf files from pdftex on Mac is fixed now. > The last test was the source of TeX-- The program (tex.pdf). Well, my Mac is > very old and slow, so I couldn't view each page (it takes about a minute to > display a page!), but it seems to be ok. COOL ... if this already released ? cheers tobi > > Regards, > Thanh > -- ______ __ _ /_ __/_ / / (_) Oetiker, Timelord & SysMgr @ EE-Dept ETH-Zurich / // _ \/ _ \/ / TEL:+41(0)1-6325286 FAX:+41(0)1-6321194 /_/ \___/_.__/_/ oetiker@ee.ethz.ch http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 05:22:34 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA01064 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:22:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00175 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:51:56 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00172 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:51:54 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28025; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:55:43 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05356; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:56:08 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802021156.MAA05356@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Problem with pdf files from pdfTeX on Mac In-Reply-To: from Tobias Oetiker at "Feb 2, 98 12:09:08 pm" To: oetiker@ee.ethz.ch (Tobias Oetiker) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:56:08 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > second, I hope that the problem with pdf files from pdftex on Mac is fixed now. > > The last test was the source of TeX-- The program (tex.pdf). Well, my Mac is > > very old and slow, so I couldn't view each page (it takes about a minute to > > display a page!), but it seems to be ok. > > COOL ... if this already released ? not yet. I'm working on pdftex-0.12a release, but I'm not sure when it will be available. However if someone wants to test, I'm willing to put on very alpha testing sources. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 05:41:03 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA01429 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00343 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:29:44 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00340 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:29:42 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl43.pi.net [145.220.204.43]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA20810; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:32:56 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:32:56 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34D5B083.7675@pi.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:39:47 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: a consideration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk To Phil, Sebastian and Tanmoy, I'm discussing with Thanh some changes/extensions to pdftex. Than suggests to discuss the next one here: > > A consideration: > > > > At this moment pdfcatalog supports uri and pagemode. This > > primitive is, like any others, quite probably embedded in a > > macro package, and therefore hidden for the common user. > > Why not make this one a pdfliteral alike one? > > > > \pdfcatalog { /PageMode /FullScreen /Uri ..... } > > > > the same goes for the info dictionary. This way pdftex is > > far more flexible towards the future. To prevent problems, > > you could abort if users define /Type, /Pages, /Outlines, > > /Threads and /Names. I think pdftex should be as open to > > the future as possible. In fact, you already do this with > > the \pdfpageattr primitive > > this topic is really difficult for me to decide what to be implemented. At first > it was simply similiar to \pdfliteral and others, then I changed it by using > keywords "uri", "pagemode" etc. to prevent invalid specification. In the other > hand you are right that it would it more flexible to let it as \pdfpageattr. Can > you discuss it with others (Sebastian, Phil and Tanmoy)? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 06:43:27 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02747 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:43:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00593 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:30:38 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00590 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:30:36 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id NAA08221; hop 0; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:31:34 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:23:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:31:20 +0000 Message-ID: <8281-Mon02Feb1998133120+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pragma@pi.net Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: a consideration In-Reply-To: <34D5B083.7675@pi.net> References: <34D5B083.7675@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > this topic is really difficult for me to decide what to be > implemented. At first it was simply similiar to \pdfliteral and > others, then I changed it by using keywords "uri", "pagemode" > etc. to prevent invalid specification. In the other This seems to me an apt place for the saying "give them enough rope to hang themselves". I think the pdftex primitives should be very flexible, and that checks for invalid specifications should be done in macro packages. Most users will never type \pdfliteral, after all (I hope!), so I would say that the macro package writers should have as much access as possible to PDF. the present mixture of constraining keywords mixed with literal PDF does seem strange sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 07:16:29 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03459 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:16:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00757 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:05:48 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00754 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:05:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:06:57 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk CC: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980202140657.3678b@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: a consideration Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > This seems to me an apt place for the saying "give them enough rope to > hang themselves". I think the pdftex primitives should be very > flexible, and that checks for invalid specifications should be done in > macro packages. Most users will never type \pdfliteral, after all (I > hope!), so I would say that the macro package writers should have as > much access as possible to PDF. > > the present mixture of constraining keywords mixed with literal PDF > does seem strange Which brings me back to a suggestion I have made privately to Thanh more than once: that pdfTeX should have _one_ primitive, \pdf, through which all pdf-related functionality is implemented. In this way a document could be virtually transparent to TeX/pdfTeX, since in order to process such as pdfTeX document under TeX without error, one need only re-define \pdf. Would there be any support for this proposal? ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 08:05:47 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04667 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:05:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01012 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:52:46 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01009 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:52:43 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id OAA12770; hop 0; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:52:53 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:44:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:21:16 +0000 Message-ID: <9639-Mon02Feb1998142116+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Subject: Re: a consideration In-Reply-To: <980202140657.3678b@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <980202140657.3678b@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > Thanh more than once: that pdfTeX should have _one_ primitive, > \pdf, through which all pdf-related functionality is implemented. > > In this way a document could be virtually transparent to TeX/pdfTeX, > since in order to process such as pdfTeX document under TeX without > error, one need only re-define \pdf. Would there be any support for > this proposal? It doesn't excite me *that* much, to be honest. People shouldn't be littering their documents with low-level markup anyway, in my book. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 09:08:44 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06306 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:08:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01256 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:35:38 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01253 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:35:35 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA15315; hop 0; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:36:27 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:27:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:02:00 +0000 Message-ID: <9522-Mon02Feb1998150200+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU Subject: Re: a consideration In-Reply-To: <980202145932.289ab@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <980202145932.289ab@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > I agree, but nor did I expect them to: I expected them to use high-level > markup which _ultimately_ was expressed in terms of a single primitive; > if they do this, then only the single primitive need be redefined in the > absence of a pdfTeX implementation. > but that just makes life (very slightly) easier for macro package authors, not authors. who cares about them :-} i dont have anything against your suggestion, at first sight, but the access to functionality is the critical thing, not potential inner elegance of interfaces sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 09:10:25 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06351 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01292 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:41:54 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01289 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:41:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:44:27 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk CC: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980202154427.3678b@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: a consideration Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> but that just makes life (very slightly) easier for macro package >> authors, not authors. who cares about them :-} Hmmm... >> i dont have anything against your suggestion, at first sight, >> but the access to functionality is the critical thing, not potential >> inner elegance of interfaces I certainly wouldn't want to compromise (a) [access to functionality] to gain (b) [inner elegance of interface], but if both can be achieved then (b) is not to be dismissed. My underlying thesis is certainly philosophical rather than practical, but I see nothing to be ashamed of in that... ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 09:13:03 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06434 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01240 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:34:56 -0500 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01237 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:34:54 -0500 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id IAA11508 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:38:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA19184; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:32:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:32:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199802021532.IAA19184@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: a consideration Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <34D5B083.7675@pi.net> dated 12:39:47 +0100 Mon February 2, 1998, Hans Hagen writes > To Phil, Sebastian and Tanmoy, > > I'm discussing with Thanh some changes/extensions to pdftex. Than suggests to > discuss the next one here: > > > > A consideration: > > > > > > At this moment pdfcatalog supports uri and pagemode. This > > > primitive is, like any others, quite probably embedded in a > > > macro package, and therefore hidden for the common user. > > > Why not make this one a pdfliteral alike one? > > > > > > \pdfcatalog { /PageMode /FullScreen /Uri ..... } > > > > > > the same goes for the info dictionary. This way pdftex is > > > far more flexible towards the future. To prevent problems, > > > you could abort if users define /Type, /Pages, /Outlines, > > > /Threads and /Names. I think pdftex should be as open to > > > the future as possible. In fact, you already do this with > > > the \pdfpageattr primitive > > > > this topic is really difficult for me to decide what to be implemented. At first > > it was simply similiar to \pdfliteral and others, then I changed it by using > > keywords "uri", "pagemode" etc. to prevent invalid specification. In the other > > hand you are right that it would it more flexible to let it as \pdfpageattr. Can > > you discuss it with others (Sebastian, Phil and Tanmoy)? I agree with Hans (or whoever it is who is being quoted there). The documentation can clearly say that invalid use of \pdfliteral and \pdfcatalog will lead to invalid pdf file. I have in the past argued against producing invalid pdf files: at those points I have usually been careful to mention that it should not be TeX's responsibility if invalid `special's are used. I am not unhappy if \pdfcatalog and and \pdfliteral are both treated `special'ly. In any case, I believe that pdftex primitives should really be primitive: pdf is a fast changing, and hence almost non-, standard. Faced with the alternative of restricting functionality, I would rather demand discipline from the users. In fact, I would not favour aborting even in the cases mentioned above: A half-clever program is too subtle for efficient use. I do not mind a program checking my input for consistency, but there should be an `obvious' pattern in the kind of errors it checks for. Let us just declare caveat emptor as far as pdfcatalog (and pdfliteral) is concerned. Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 10:06:59 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08060 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:06:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01594 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:53:57 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01586 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:53:51 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl27.pi.net [145.220.204.27]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA05506; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:38 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34D5D10F.1D71@pi.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:58:39 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu, Sebastian Rahtz CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: a consideration References: <34D5B083.7675@pi.net> <8281-Mon02Feb1998133120+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Hans Hagen writes: > > > this topic is really difficult for me to decide what to be > > implemented. At first it was simply similiar to \pdfliteral and > > others, then I changed it by using keywords "uri", "pagemode" > > etc. to prevent invalid specification. In the other > > This seems to me an apt place for the saying "give them enough rope to > hang themselves". I think the pdftex primitives should be very > flexible, and that checks for invalid specifications should be done in > macro packages. Most users will never type \pdfliteral, after all (I > hope!), so I would say that the macro package writers should have as > much access as possible to PDF. Exactly. > the present mixture of constraining keywords mixed with literal PDF > does seem strange Indeed, but due to the fact that some things should be sorted out by pdftex (like the view, threads, annot/dest dictionaries, and some more) we're doomed to that mix, unless, pdftex provides enough hooks, but we can discuss that later. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 10:08:41 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08141 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:08:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01593 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:53:55 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01588 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:53:52 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl27.pi.net [145.220.204.27]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA05524; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:41 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34D5EFAE.7C28@pi.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:09:18 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk CC: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu, pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: a consideration References: <980202140657.3678b@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) wrote: > Which brings me back to a suggestion I have made privately to > Thanh more than once: that pdfTeX should have _one_ primitive, > \pdf, through which all pdf-related functionality is implemented. > > In this way a document could be virtually transparent to TeX/pdfTeX, > since in order to process such as pdfTeX document under TeX without > error, one need only re-define \pdf. Would there be any support for > this proposal? I've asked Thanh to implement \pdfobject{} \pdflastobject. When that one is available, I can see what can be done. The main problem is that for some pdf constructs one needs access to the object reference. Another very fundamental point is that supporting things like threads and bookmarks become nearly impossible, simply because one needs access to the associated dictionaries. This can be accomplished by predefining those as indirect references (by pdftex) that can be filled by TeX. Anyhow, one \pdf is not enough. We need at least: \pdfobject {} \pdflastobject and several pointers per page and per document. I'm pretty sure it can be done, but at quite some cost in memory (we need sorting, etc too, but that can be done externally). When (someday) Thanh provides a very special beta version, I can give it a try. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 10:14:13 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08286 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:14:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01648 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:04:16 -0500 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01639 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:02:45 -0500 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11693 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:06:22 +0100 (MET) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id SAA21764; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:14:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:14:37 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802021714.SAA21764@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU Subject: Re: a consideration In-Reply-To: <9522-Mon02Feb1998150200+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <980202145932.289ab@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <9522-Mon02Feb1998150200+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: a consideration », Sebastian Rahtz écrit : « Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: « > I agree, but nor did I expect them to: I expected them to use high-level « > markup which _ultimately_ was expressed in terms of a single primitive; « > if they do this, then only the single primitive need be redefined in the « > absence of a pdfTeX implementation. « > « « but that just makes life (very slightly) easier for macro package « authors, not authors. who cares about them :-} in my opinion, the only 2 different numbers are zero & one. Difference between one and few is really pointless if it makes the interface less intuitive. Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 10:21:06 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08539 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:21:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01684 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:09:45 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01681 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:09:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:12:58 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr CC: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980202171258.3678b@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: a consideration Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> in my opinion, the only 2 different numbers are zero & one. Difference >> between one and few is really pointless if it makes the interface less >> intuitive. Ah, I come from a _much_ more sophisticated culture: we count "zero, one, many"! :-) ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 11:15:13 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13451 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01965 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:04:37 -0500 Received: from by.genie.uottawa.ca (by.genie.uottawa.ca [137.122.20.226]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01962 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:04:35 -0500 Received: from zeus.genie.uottawa.ca by by.genie.uottawa.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05557; Mon, 2 Feb 98 13:06:29 EST Received: from yoho.uottawa.ca by zeus.genie.uottawa.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10027; Mon, 2 Feb 98 13:06:50 EST Received: by yoho.uottawa.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01221; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:05:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:05:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199802021805.NAA01221@yoho.uottawa.ca> From: Philippe Lavoie To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Cc: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk, PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU Subject: Re: a consideration In-Reply-To: <9522-Mon02Feb1998150200+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <980202145932.289ab@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <9522-Mon02Feb1998150200+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz writes: > > i dont have anything against your suggestion, at first sight, > but the access to functionality is the critical thing, not potential > inner elegance of interfaces > Usually in programming 'inner elegance' as the nice side effect of having less bugs. The more readable the code is, the more easy it is to find problems. This works in C++, it should work in any other language... Phil From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 11:21:51 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14227 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01944 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:02:09 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01941 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:02:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:05:58 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk CC: THIERRY.BOUCHE@ujf-grenoble.fr, PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980202180558.289ab@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: a consideration Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> I hereby discalim any cultural connection with Phil!:-)...whatever may >> appear to be happening. Apropos of my "more advanced culture" text? Still, it's understandable, since Chris as mathematician presumably recognises only "zero, and non-zero", like his illustrious predecessor George Boole :-) ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 11:30:04 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14539 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01158 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:19:08 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01152 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:18:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:22:45 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU CC: CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980202152245.289ab@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: a consideration Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> It doesn't excite me *that* much, to be honest. People shouldn't be >> littering their documents with low-level markup anyway, in my book. I agree, but nor did I expect them to: I expected them to use high-level markup which _ultimately_ was expressed in terms of a single primitive; if they do this, then only the single primitive need be redefined in the absence of a pdfTeX implementation. ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 12:59:21 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17223 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:59:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02410 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:53:15 -0500 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02405 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:53:13 -0500 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:16:38 +0000 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA16900; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:13:35 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:13:35 GMT Message-Id: <199802021713.RAA16900@fell.open.ac.uk> From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Thierry Bouche Cc: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU Subject: Re: a consideration In-Reply-To: <199802021714.SAA21764@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <980202145932.289ab@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <9522-Mon02Feb1998150200+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199802021714.SAA21764@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > in my opinion, the only 2 different numbers are zero & one. Difference > between one and few is really pointless if it makes the interface less > intuitive. My counting system is a little more sophisticated, it goes; zero, one, many In other words, resetting jusy one thing is completely different from having to remeber exactly a list of names and what values each takes. "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 13:00:35 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17286 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:00:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02413 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:53:16 -0500 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02409 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:53:14 -0500 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:24:56 +0000 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA16916; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:21:54 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:21:54 GMT Message-Id: <199802021721.RAA16916@fell.open.ac.uk> From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr, PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Subject: Re: a consideration In-Reply-To: <980202171258.3678b@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <980202171258.3678b@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I hereby discalim any cultural connection with Phil!:-)...whatever may appear to be happening. chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 2 13:02:50 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17354 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:02:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02406 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:53:13 -0500 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02399 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:52:56 -0500 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:00:37 +0000 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA16703; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:57:35 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:57:35 GMT Message-Id: <199802021557.PAA16703@fell.open.ac.uk> From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Cc: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk, PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Subject: Re: a consideration In-Reply-To: <9639-Mon02Feb1998142116+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <980202140657.3678b@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <9639-Mon02Feb1998142116+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian wrote -- > Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > > Thanh more than once: that pdfTeX should have _one_ primitive, > > \pdf, through which all pdf-related functionality is implemented. > > > > In this way a document could be virtually transparent to TeX/pdfTeX, > > since in order to process such as pdfTeX document under TeX without > > error, one need only re-define \pdf. Would there be any support for > > this proposal? > > It doesn't excite me *that* much, to be honest. People shouldn't be > littering their documents with low-level markup anyway, in my book. Indeed not, but pdf primitives, like Tex primitives, should not be mistaken for document mark-up. chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Feb 3 05:14:37 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10271 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:14:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA06095 for pdftex-list; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:54:23 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA06092 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:54:14 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02909 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:58:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15769 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:58:09 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802031158.MAA15769@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Problem with pdf files from pdfTeX on Mac (fwd) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:58:09 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from Roya Soleymani Kohler ----- >From roya@ee.ethz.ch Tue Feb 3 12:32:15 1998 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14947 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:32:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from ee.ethz.ch (ee00.ethz.ch [129.132.98.179]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01520 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:32:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from [129.132.7.70] (adams.ethz.ch [129.132.7.70]) by ee.ethz.ch (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22710 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:32:04 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: roya@ee00.ethz.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802021629.RAA17330@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: from Roya Soleymani Kohler at "Feb 2, 98 05:16:23 pm" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:31:46 +0100 To: Han The Thanh From: Roya Soleymani Kohler Subject: Re: Problem with pdf files from pdfTeX on Mac Hi Thanh, I have some Informations for you after more tests with your testfont.pdf: - pdf files from pdfTex are readable on a 68k Mac. (like your MacIIsi) - There is unfortunatly a conflict between ATM (Adobe Type Manager) and GXGraphics (QuickDraw GX componenet) for PowerPC. If GXGraphics is disabled a PowerPC kann also open testfont.pdf. But i am not sure if everybody wants to disable this GXGraphics-Extension. Because GXGraphics adds advanced type, graphics, and color capabilities to the MacOS. Actually you don't need ATM, if you have allready installed the new Version of QuckDraw GX Package (vers. 1.1.6 comes with the new MacOS 8). For me it is the first time that QuickDraw GX makes such troubles. But now i have disabled the GXGraphic extension and use ATM ver. 4.0.2. After a couple of days i could say, if everything else runs correct with disabled GXGraphics and enabled ATM. Thanx & Cheers Roya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Roya Soleymani Kohler Eidgenossische Technische Hochschule Zuerich, Gloriastr. 35, 8092 Zuerich Institut ISG & TIK, ETZ - D 97 Tel: +41-1-63-27025 E-Mail: roya@ee.ethz.ch, Homepage: http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~roya/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- ----- End of forwarded message from Roya Soleymani Kohler ----- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 4 05:43:28 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14879 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:43:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA12078 for pdftex-list; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:29:26 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12075 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:29:24 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15025; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:33:22 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10160; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:33:40 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802041233.NAA10160@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Mac Encoding To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:33:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: roya@ee.ethz.ch (Roya Soleymani) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm looking for the Mac encoding vector (.enc file). I have TrueType specification, which also contains description of this encoding, but some glyph names seem to be incorrect. Does someone know when I can get a correct version? Many thanks. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 4 07:59:35 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17704 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:59:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12740 for pdftex-list; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:50:57 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12736 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:50:55 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26248 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:54:54 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20017 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:55:14 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802041455.PAA20017@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Mac Encoding To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:55:14 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, many thanks for your answers. However I find out now that what I asked for is not exactly what I need: the names of 258 Apple standard glyphs. Does someone know about that? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 4 11:27:46 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23628 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:27:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13524 for pdftex-list; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:17:42 -0500 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13521 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:17:38 -0500 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:13:35 +0000 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA18851; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:10:31 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:10:31 GMT Message-Id: <199802041810.SAA18851@fell.open.ac.uk> From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Subject: Re: Mac Encoding In-Reply-To: <199802041455.PAA20017@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199802041455.PAA20017@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han > > many thanks for your answers. However I find out now that what I asked for is > not exactly what I need: the names of 258 Apple standard glyphs. Does someone > know about that? There are 258, are there? Is the list in App E.5 of the PS Language Ref Manual any use? chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 4 13:37:17 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27475 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:37:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14036 for pdftex-list; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:30:35 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14033 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:30:33 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13142; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:34:34 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA19995; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:34:52 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802042034.VAA19995@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Mac Encoding In-Reply-To: <199802041810.SAA18851@fell.open.ac.uk> from Chris Rowley at "Feb 4, 98 06:10:31 pm" To: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk (Chris Rowley) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:34:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > many thanks for your answers. However I find out now that what I asked for is > > not exactly what I need: the names of 258 Apple standard glyphs. Does someone > > know about that? > > There are 258, are there? > > Is the list in App E.5 of the PS Language Ref Manual any use? I don't have PS Language Ref Manual, but I guess there is only MacStandardEncoding. The way Apple named their standard 258 (not 256) glyphs are a bit different. I'm using the names from TrueType spec from Microsoft (I have no choice), but I had to spend two day to find out that 'Omega' is named as 'Ohm' in this list :-(, which nearly made me crazy. And I think that's not the only one. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Feb 8 08:44:21 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00013 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:44:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02395 for pdftex-list; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:38:57 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02392 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:38:55 -0500 Received: from daeron (daeron.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.91]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01954 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:39:55 +0100 (MET) Received: by daeron id AA10662 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for pdftex@mail.tug.org); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:36:07 +0100 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz by daeron with SMTP id AA10049 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:44:48 +0100 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24419 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:48:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from SERVER.BCL-COMPUTERS (bcl4.ten-net.org [198.123.17.50]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14234 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:48:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from 209.6.117.30 by SERVER.BCL-COMPUTERS with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id 13GALNN3; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:45:53 -0800 Received: by Europa.BCL-COMPUTERS.COM with Microsoft Mail id <01BD33DF.98ADEA20@Europa.BCL-COMPUTERS.COM>; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:46:46 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD33DF.98ADEA20@Europa.BCL-COMPUTERS.COM> From: Horace Dediu To: "'list@acrobuddies.net'" Subject: Trying to gauge interest in new PDF Mailing list Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:52:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.cs.umb.edu id KAA02393 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, We are considering sponsoring a new mailing list for the PDF community. The list, tentatively called PDF-Reuse, will be dedicated to the discussion of technical issues related to PDF repurposing. This includes, but is not limited to, PDF document geometry, style, semantics, and structure analysis. Also issues of how fonts (embedded or otherwise), upper ASCII characters, colors, graphics, can be processed. As a research and development company, we are interested in encouraging discussion in the PDF user and developer communities about the potential of such technologies, and the forum is not intended as a commercial or marketing device. My question is: would you be interested in such a list as a subscriber or contributor? In addition, do you know others who might share your interest? Thirdly, are there any subjects which you would like to include/exclude from the editorial policy of the list? Our hope is to evaluate interest before proceeding with such a focused mailing list. Thanks in advance for your inputs. Horace Dediu mailto:hdediu@bcl-computers.com http://www.bcl-computers.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 9 14:11:02 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12417 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09585 for pdftex-list; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:52:45 -0500 Received: from genie.aladdin.com (genie.aladdin.com [192.5.5.89]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09578 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:51:22 -0500 Received: from lamp.aladdin.com by genie.aladdin.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0y1wum-000RfMC; Mon, 9 Feb 98 09:22 PST Received: by lamp.aladdin.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0y2170-000R2KC; Mon, 9 Feb 98 13:51 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 13:51 PST From: "L. Peter Deutsch" To: gwhite@bodnext.bio.dfo.ca CC: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu In-reply-to: (gwhite@bodnext.bio.dfo.ca) Subject: Re: Aladdin gs 5.10 and images in pdflatex for pdfcompresslevel>0? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk George, thanks for the report. Unfortunately, I don't have any of the software needed to process the data you sent. Could you please send the PDF file itself? -- L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | tel. +1-650-322-0103 (AM only); fax +1-650-322-1734 Menlo Park, CA 94025 | http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html *Oppose bulk-mail abuse of your mailbox and newsgroups: http://spam.abuse.net* From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Feb 10 08:33:23 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07496 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:33:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13878 for pdftex-list; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:21:54 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13875 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:21:52 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04282; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:22:43 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16917; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:22:42 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802101522.QAA16917@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: \mag To: CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (Philip Taylor), hans@anxur.fi.muni.cz Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:22:42 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Phil and Hans, about \mag: should paper dimensions be mupliple by \mag? It seems to me quite logical to do it. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Feb 10 08:33:26 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07501 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:33:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13942 for pdftex-list; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:28:14 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13939 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:28:10 -0500 Received: from Vms.Rhbnc.Ac.Uk ([134.219.100.248]) by vms.rhbnc.ac.uk with SMTP; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:28:59 GMT Message-ID: <34E06F6C.604BC9C5@Vms.Rhbnc.Ac.Uk> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:17:00 +0000 From: Philip TAYLOR Organization: Royal Holloway and Bedford New College (Univ. of London) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: Philip Taylor , hans@anxur.fi.muni.cz, PDFTEX Subject: Re: \mag References: <199802101522.QAA16917@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > about \mag: should paper dimensions be mupliple by \mag? It seems to > me quite > logical to do it. I'm not really sure what is implied by the question: if paper dimensions are specified in "true" units, then no scaling is required; if they are specified in ordinary units, then scaling is required. But I fear I'm missing the point... Is there something more that I've failed to see? ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Feb 10 13:24:47 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16770 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:24:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15054 for pdftex-list; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:11:26 -0500 Received: from gw.home.vix.com (gw.home.vix.com [192.5.5.1]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15051 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:11:20 -0500 Received: from genie.aladdin.com [192.5.5.89] by gw.home.vix.com via ESMTP id MAA07363; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:12:16 -0800 (PST) env-from (ghost@aladdin.com) Received: from lamp.aladdin.com (lamp.aladdin.com [192.5.5.90]) by genie.aladdin.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA01654; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:15:30 -0800 Received: by lamp.aladdin.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0y2M2R-000R2LC; Tue, 10 Feb 98 12:12 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 12:12 PST From: "L. Peter Deutsch" To: gwhite@bodnext.bio.dfo.ca CC: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu In-reply-to: (gwhite@bodnext.bio.dfo.ca) Subject: Re: Aladdin gs 5.10 and images in pdflatex for pdfcompresslevel>0? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I've been happily creating PDF documents (using teTeX 0.9) and viewing > them with acroread on Win 3.1, OS/2, and SGI Irix. It appears, however, > that any file that contains an image (from .png) results in the following > (using gs 5.10 on the same platforms, but my main concern is for platforms > that don't have acroread): > > Aladdin Ghostscript: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 > Error: /syntaxerror in stream > Operand stack: > 2854 Im1 --dict:1/1-- Im1 2854 38 0 > Execution stack: > %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- > ... This error is definitely due to a bug in the software that created the PDF file: the Length value in the stream dictionary for the image is wrong. I suspect that the supplied Length value is the length of the *uncompressed* data, whereas it is supposed to be the length of the *compressed* data. (This is clearly documented in the PDF manual.) The Adobe Acrobat products apparently have quite a lot of "armor plating" to compensate for bugs in PDF-producing software, but by my choice, Ghostscript doesn't. I could probably find a workaround for this particular bug, but I'd really rather not. -- L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | tel. +1-650-322-0103 (AM only); fax +1-650-322-1734 Menlo Park, CA 94025 | http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html *Oppose bulk-mail abuse of your mailbox and newsgroups: http://spam.abuse.net* From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Feb 10 16:53:46 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22390 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA15813 for pdftex-list; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:43:04 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15807 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:43:00 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24366 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:43:59 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA03315 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:44:02 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802102344.AAA03315@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12a -- very alpha testing To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:44:02 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've put on very alpha testing version of pdftex-0.12a for some platforms (Linux, DJGPP, Solaris and SGI) on my home site: ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12a Note that in several weeks I will make a lot of changes on pdftex. So if you don't like too often changes, please wait until this version is stable. Sorry about lacking of documentation. For quick start: bin/ - binaries pdftex.tar.gz - sources for ones who want to build pdftex themselves pdftexmf.zip - *.enc, *.map, pdftex.cfg etc. texmf.cnf - web2c config file pdftex.pool - pool file for UNIX binaries texmf.cnf and pdftex.pool for DJGPP are included in zip file containing binary. Fixed bugs: - problem on Macintosh -- thanks to Tobi and Roya - TrueType/Type1 font downloading (well, we'll see...) - accuracy problem - page offsets and dimensions - \mag - problem with mlTeX -- thanks to Fabrice Changes: - config file -- please have a look at pdftex.cfg. - map file syntax (we can share map file from dvips now) - \pdfcatalog syntax: \pdfcatalog {<>} openaction ACTION, where ACTION is the same as for link annotation - \pdfinfo syntax: \pdfinfo {<>} Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 11 01:41:57 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04004 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:41:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA17737 for pdftex-list; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:26:33 -0500 Received: from calvin.info.unicaen.fr (calvin.info.unicaen.fr [193.55.128.51]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA17734 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:26:30 -0500 Received: from canardo.info.unicaen.fr (canardo [193.55.128.18]) by calvin.info.unicaen.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15795 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:27:24 +0100 (MET) From: Jerzy Karczmarczuk Received: (from karczma@localhost) by canardo.info.unicaen.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA29423 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:27:24 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:27:24 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802110827.JAA29423@canardo.info.unicaen.fr> To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: ps2pdf problem X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This posting might be slightly out of synchro with this list Main Road, but knowing your general competence I send it anyway. I have finally upgraded to GhostScript 5.10, and I tried to convert some PS drawing to PDF in order to include them - guess where... The platform is NT. Bang! Ghost refuses the 'seletdevice' to (pdfwrite), emitting the 'invalidfileaccess' error. Has anybody seen that? It doesn't work with the batch file, it doesn't work interactively. The error is generated by '.setdevice'. Perhaps my fat fingers are responsible somehow, but I cannot localize the bug. SAFER is false, I have checked at least that. I would appreciate any help before I get mad. Being of Polish origin, and spending a whole evening analyzing the *inverse Polish* syntax, the source be may severe troubles psychical of. Yours Jerzy Karczmarczuk Caen, Normandy, France. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 11 06:51:49 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA10245 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:51:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA18868 for pdftex-list; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:42:22 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18865 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:42:17 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28044; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:43:10 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21561; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:43:12 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802111343.OAA21561@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Aladdin gs 5.10 and images in pdflatex for pdfcompresslevel>0? In-Reply-To: from "L. Peter Deutsch" at "Feb 10, 98 12:12:00 pm" To: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:43:12 +0100 (MET) Cc: gwhite@bodnext.bio.dfo.ca, pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > This error is definitely due to a bug in the software that created the PDF > file: the Length value in the stream dictionary for the image is wrong. I > suspect that the supplied Length value is the length of the *uncompressed* > data, whereas it is supposed to be the length of the *compressed* data. > (This is clearly documented in the PDF manual.) yes, that's right. thanks for the bug report. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 11 13:40:31 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23400 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:40:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20425 for pdftex-list; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:34:22 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20422 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:34:21 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28419; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:54 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08348; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:48 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802112034.VAA08348@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: object conceptual problem/etex In-Reply-To: <199801151657.JAA22913@qcd.lanl.gov> from Tanmoy Bhattacharya at "Jan 15, 98 09:57:59 am" To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov (Tanmoy Bhattacharya), pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Tanmoy and Hans, it was too difficult for me to follow your disccusion considering to object/form problem in pdftex. Now my suggestion is to hold forms in memory and write them out only when a reference is used. I think it won't be too difficult to do. Another problem Hans mentioned is how to receive object number of the form. \pdflastform returns just the object number of the form, doesn't it? > Finally, on an unrelated issue. Is there any way in pdftex that I can > build an obj (not the objects we are discussing, but the `12 0 obj > ... endobj' kind of things that make up a pdf file)? I mean, is it too > difficult to provide a \pdfobjspecial{...} which produces `n 0 obj > ... endobj' when shipped out, but in a syntactically valid way > (i.e. between an endobj and before an obj, and properly enter n 0 in > the xref table etc.), and do something by default if the job ends > without it being shipped out? Naturally, to be useful, one would need > a \lastpdfobj which returns this `n', and pdftex would have to > guarantee that n is not used as an obj number for anything that it > ships out on its own! > > I haven't described here why such a facility would be useful because I > don't have the time right now to carefully think through whether the > existing facilities are enough. I just wanted to know if this is > difficult to implement, and whether any one else has felt the need for > a similar feature. It's not difficult to provide such a \pdfobjspecial{...} and \lastpdfobj, but I want to know what it does exactly. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 02:32:08 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11818 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA23323 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:17:40 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23320 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:17:38 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl55.pi.net [145.220.204.55]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA23921; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:18:25 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:18:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34E2BAAD.5D7F@pi.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:02:37 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: Tanmoy Bhattacharya , PDFTEX Subject: Re: object conceptual problem/etex References: <199802112034.VAA08348@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > it was too difficult for me to follow your disccusion considering to object/form > problem in pdftex. Now my suggestion is to hold forms in memory and write them > out only when a reference is used. I think it won't be too difficult to do. Sounds ok. > Another problem Hans mentioned is how to receive object number of the form. > \pdflastform returns just the object number of the form, doesn't it? It does, but is this *defined* behavior? Unless being 'part of the pdftex standard' this number can be an index to an array (list) of pdf objects, or just the object number. In other words, from the fact that \pdflastform returns a number (not starting with one, and counting up every time this primitive is called), one can *deduce* that it is the object number. There also is a difference between a *form* and an *object*. The first one is wrapped up, the last one verbose pdf code. > It's not difficult to provide such a \pdfobjspecial{...} and \lastpdfobj, but I > want to know what it does exactly. Can you implement: \pdfobj{<< literal pdf >>} and \pdflastobj The first one creates: 0 obj << literal pdf >> endobj and the second returns . Just plain objects! Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 03:07:06 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA12501 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA23533 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:03:14 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA23527 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:02:37 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23458; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:03:35 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23499; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:03:43 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802121003.LAA23499@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex issues In-Reply-To: <34E2BE9C.4670@pi.net> from Hans Hagen at "Feb 12, 98 10:19:24 am" To: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:03:43 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > It's not easy for me to explain this, but the main reason for splitting the annot > support in two, is that we need two levels > > (1) the outmost level: links, text, movies, sound, widgets etc > (2) specialized inner link level: threads, dest etc > > In principle (1) would do, but (2) is indeed needed because one (pdftex) needs to > build the thread and dest dictionaries etc etc. > > > it is possible to implement \pdflastannot, of course. However I'm still unclear > > how \pdfannot...\pdfendannot work? I would prefer to rename \pdftextannot to > > \pdfannot and maybe change slightly its syntax (remove keywork "title", etc.) > > As verbose as possible. It *is* exactly like \pdfannotlink but does not specify the > link type, and does not do the bookkeeping of dest and threads etc! Indeed, the > \pftextannot is no longer needed then. Just make it a clean annot: only 'width', > 'height', 'depth' and 'attr' keywords, where 'attr' is raw pdf code. This > primitive just generates an annot object and only sets the /Rect to the given (or > calculated) dimensions. In practice: copy the \pdfannotlink procedure, remove > everything but width, height, depth and attr, and letthis one create an object, so: > > \pdfnannot > width .. % optional > height .. % optional > depth .. % optional > attr { raw pdf } > \pdfendannot > > 0 obj > /Type /Annot > /Rect [ .. .. .. .. ] > raw pdf > endobj > > And let \pdflastannot return the . ok, understood. The last question: are you sure that all needed raw data should be passed via `attr'? > I hope I don't confuse you too much, oh don't worry, you are welcome. In fact we need each other: You need to have implemented you ideas and I need to know how pdftex can be more useful and how it works in pratice. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 03:10:21 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA12579 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA23497 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:56:53 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23494 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:56:51 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23116; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:57:47 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23331; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:57:53 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802120957.KAA23331@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12a -- very alpha testing In-Reply-To: <34E20321.6EDF@pi.net> from Hans Hagen at "Feb 11, 98 08:59:29 pm" To: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:57:53 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Hans, > > - \pdfcatalog syntax: > > \pdfcatalog {<>} openaction ACTION, where ACTION > > is the same as for link annotation > > - \pdfinfo syntax: > > \pdfinfo {<>} > > Refering to an earlier discussion on to be as pdf as possible, I suggest > to > > (1) remove the << >> and let everything passed on end up at the outer > level in the catalog (also no <<>> \pdfinfo); no << >> is also more > consistent with the page attributes oh sorry, it was my mistake. The << and >> are not needed at all. > > (2) is there any particular reason for the openaction not being passed > on between the { } yes. The action given by "openaction" is handled in the same way as action for link annotation or outline. Of course it is possible to specify /OpenAction inside of { }, and pass on "openaction". However isn't it more flexible and simpler to use "openaction"? > (3) refering to our discussion on the /Names 'problem', I suggest to > provide hooks (object pointers) only those entries used by pdftex (like > the names one) > > (4) as soon as we can make objects directly, you dont have to provide > access to the /AcroForm because we can use \pdfcatalog for that purpose it is possible to allocate forward object numbers for certain objects, of course. Please describe more details and samples. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 03:48:33 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13265 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:48:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA23571 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:09:51 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA23568 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:09:45 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24041; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:10:36 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23738; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:10:43 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802121010.LAA23738@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: object conceptual problem/etex In-Reply-To: <34E2BAAD.5D7F@pi.net> from Hans Hagen at "Feb 12, 98 10:02:37 am" To: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:10:43 +0100 (MET) Cc: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > it was too difficult for me to follow your disccusion considering to > > object/form problem in pdftex. Now my suggestion is to hold forms in memory > > and write them out only when a reference is used. I think it won't be too > > difficult to do. > > Sounds ok. > > > Another problem Hans mentioned is how to receive object number of the form. > > \pdflastform returns just the object number of the form, doesn't it? > > It does, but is this *defined* behavior? Unless being 'part of the pdftex > standard' this number can be an index to an array (list) of pdf objects, or > just the object number. In other words, from the fact that \pdflastform > returns a number (not starting with one, and counting up every time this > primitive is called), one can *deduce* that it is the object number. yes, \pdflastform always returns the object number of the last form. In fact it is index of the object in xref table. > There also is a difference between a *form* and an *object*. The first one is wrapped up, > the last one verbose pdf code. > > > It's not difficult to provide such a \pdfobjspecial{...} and \lastpdfobj, but I > > want to know what it does exactly. > > Can you implement: > > \pdfobj{<< literal pdf >>} > > and > > \pdflastobj > > The first one creates: > > 0 obj << literal pdf >> endobj > > and the second returns . > > Just plain objects! I think it's no problem to implement it, but I'm not sure what for? Can you give some examples of its application? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 03:52:52 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13374 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:52:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA23680 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:39:40 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA23677 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:39:38 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25811; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:40:35 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24710; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:40:44 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802121040.LAA24710@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: javascript bug / long lines In-Reply-To: <34D19B31.6713@pi.net> from Hans Hagen at "Jan 30, 98 10:19:45 am" To: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:40:43 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu, pragma@pi.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Hans, > Hello Thanh, Sebastian and others, > > I'm integrating JavaScript handling in ConTeXt (more or less > finished, now testing, optimizing and integrating as natural > as possible). Of course, some distiller bug did surface: > Distiller does some formatting (adding \012's and at the > end of long lines \ tokens. Such linebreaks can occur oin > the middle of print functions (".... \ ...") and on those > Acrobat Exchange/Reader reports an error. (So in fact > we're dealing with a plug in bug!) > > Now I'm pretty sure that Thanh can do a better job and just > break at spaces when lines become too long, but not in the > middle of "strings". At the moment pdftex makes very long > lines! Can you correct/handle this Thanh? I would say yes, but if long lines work, then why to bother with breaking? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 04:15:51 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13827 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:15:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23788 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:08:27 -0500 Received: from pccm41.quimica.uniovi.es (pccm41.quimica.uniovi.es [156.35.51.128]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23773 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:04:03 -0500 From: carmenes@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by pccm41.quimica.uniovi.es (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA10511; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:07:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: pccm41.quimica.uniovi.es: carmenes owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:07:44 +0100 (CET) X-Sender: carmenes@pccm41.quimica.uniovi.es To: Han The Thanh cc: PDFTEX Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12a -- very alpha testing In-Reply-To: <199802102344.AAA03315@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.cs.umb.edu id GAA23786 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Han The Thanh wrote: > I've put on very alpha testing version of pdftex-0.12a for some platforms > (Linux, DJGPP, Solaris and SGI) on my home site: > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12a Your source is now all in a new directory named pdftexdir and the modified "configure" and "kpathsea/configure" files are now missing. As a result the new sources do not compile out of the box as they used with web-7.0+web2c-7.0. Am I missing anything? Regards, Ricardo. ============================================================== Dr. Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes, Departamento de Bioquímica y Biología Molecular, Universidad de Oviedo, E-33071-Oviedo, Spain. email "carmenes@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es" Fax: +34-8-5103157 ============================================================== From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 04:26:02 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA14018 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23831 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:19:39 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23828 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:19:36 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28408; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:20:35 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26012; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:20:42 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802121120.MAA26012@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12a -- very alpha testing In-Reply-To: from "carmenes@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es" at "Feb 12, 98 12:07:44 pm" To: carmenes@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:20:42 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Your source is now all in a new directory named pdftexdir and the > modified "configure" and "kpathsea/configure" files are now missing. > As a result the new sources do not compile out of the box as they used > with web-7.0+web2c-7.0. > > Am I missing anything? no, you're right. The current pdftex must be compiled with web2c-7.2 (actually beta5). Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 04:55:26 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA14580 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:55:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23948 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:48:47 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23945 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:48:45 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl56.pi.net [145.220.204.56]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA10553; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:49:45 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:49:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34E2E011.7297@pi.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:42:09 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu, Han The Thanh CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12a -- very alpha testing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > (2) is there any particular reason for the openaction not being passed > > on between the { } > > yes. The action given by "openaction" is handled in the same way as action for > link annotation or outline. Of course it is possible to specify /OpenAction > inside of { }, and pass on "openaction". However isn't it more flexible and > simpler to use "openaction"? Ok, understood. > > (3) refering to our discussion on the /Names 'problem', I suggest to > > provide hooks (object pointers) only those entries used by pdftex (like > > the names one) > > > > (4) as soon as we can make objects directly, you dont have to provide > > access to the /AcroForm because we can use \pdfcatalog for that purpose > > it is possible to allocate forward object numbers for certain objects, of > course. Please describe more details and samples. It's hard to give examples in pdftex because I need the \pdfannot primitive and \pdfobj first. Can you (for testing purposes) allocate forward references that can be accessed by \pdfnamesref and alike? These references are needed for pdftex to support fields and javascript. (I'll send you a demo integrating these features in a few days.) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 04:57:12 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA14646 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:57:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23967 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:50:03 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23961 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:50:01 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl56.pi.net [145.220.204.56]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA10532; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:49:41 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:49:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34E2DCB0.2E46@pi.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:27:44 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: PDFTEX Subject: Re: pdftex issues References: <199802121003.LAA23499@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > ok, understood. The last question: are you sure that all needed raw data should > be passed via `attr'? For the moment: yes. Maybe 'attr' is confusing. How about 'data'? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 04:59:07 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA14696 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:59:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23973 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:50:05 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23965 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:50:03 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl56.pi.net [145.220.204.56]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA10570; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:49:48 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:49:48 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34E2E0A4.787F@pi.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:44:36 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: object conceptual problem/etex References: <199802121010.LAA23738@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > yes, \pdflastform always returns the object number of the last form. In fact it > is index of the object in xref table. Ok, but that should be explictly stated in the specs (the pdftexbook). (Concerning the index, thsi only is true when you use a continuous ref table, but you probably do. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 05:03:34 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14764 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23982 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:50:09 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23968 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:50:03 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl56.pi.net [145.220.204.56]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA10583; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:49:50 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:49:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34E2E1BA.66AE@pi.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:49:14 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: javascript bug / long lines References: <199802121040.LAA24710@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > I would say yes, but if long lines work, then why to bother with breaking? I'll come back to this later. JavaScript is very sensitive for line breaks inside " " asl well as after return and alike. Another possible solution (probbably) is to make a stream of it. How about \pdfstream={whatever} \the\pdfstream or something like that, but forget about it for the moment. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 06:47:38 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16788 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:47:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24349 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:24:30 -0500 Received: from venus.ubs.com (venus.ubs.com [207.25.52.67]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24346 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:24:28 -0500 Received: by venus.ubs.com; id IAA08571; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(192.168.122.22) by venus.ubs.com via smap (3.2) id xma008567; Thu, 12 Feb 98 08:25:28 -0500 Received: from ns1.ny.ubs.com by hedy.ny.ubs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA12316; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:19:55 -0500 Received: from ubs1071 (ubs1071.ny.ubs.com [161.239.153.113]) by ns1.ny.ubs.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29378; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:24:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34E2F823.6D48@ny.ubs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:24:51 -0500 From: Olivier Lefevre X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't see anything on , so I am sending out this little probe. With apologies for the pollution. -- O.L. --MimeMultipartBoundary-- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 07:49:44 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18083 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:49:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24649 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:39:55 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24646 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:39:48 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12266; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:40:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05024; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:40:54 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802121440.PAA05024@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Test In-Reply-To: <34E2F823.6D48@ny.ubs.com> from Olivier Lefevre at "Feb 12, 98 08:24:51 am" To: nnylfv@ny.ubs.com (Olivier Lefevre) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:40:54 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I can't see anything on , so I am > sending out this little probe. > > With apologies for the pollution. sorry, it was my mistake. It should be Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 08:00:05 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18382 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24696 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:50:52 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24690 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:49:30 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13195; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:50:07 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05410; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:50:10 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802121450.PAA05410@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12a -- very alpha testing To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:50:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: bkph@ai.mit.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, > - problem on Macintosh -- thanks to Tobi and Roya I appologise very much that I've forgotten to thank Berthold for pointing out the main problem of pdftex with partial font downloading which caused that pdf files created by pdftex were not readable on Mac. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 09:07:09 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20307 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24937 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:57:58 -0500 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24934 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:57:56 -0500 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id IAA20077; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:58:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA08166; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:57:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:57:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199802121557.IAA08166@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: Han The Thanh Cc: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen), pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: object conceptual problem/etex In-Reply-To: <199802121010.LAA23738@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <34E2BAAD.5D7F@pi.net> <199802121010.LAA23738@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <199802121010.LAA23738@anxur.fi.muni.cz> dated 11:10:43 +0100 Thu February 12, 1998, Han The Thanh writes > > Can you implement: > > > > \pdfobj{<< literal pdf >>} > > > > and > > > > \pdflastobj > > > > The first one creates: > > > > 0 obj << literal pdf >> endobj > > > > and the second returns . > > > > Just plain objects! > > I think it's no problem to implement it, but I'm not sure what for? Can you give > some examples of its application? > > Thanh > The reason I originally wanted it were two fold: 1) If the pdf standard gets updated, pdftex might not provide the right hook. Note that currently, pdftex provides no means of putting anything between the << and >> that defines the object. 2) I specifically wanted to do the equivalent of \pdfobj{ << something >> stream something endstream } (This would allow inclusions of small enough figures available as pdf files even if they are slightly more complicated than usual: and even if the figures are compressed at source. Using the \pdfobj construction, I could create a form object and then include them in the page with a pdfliteral command). I am sorry that I haven't given it much thought awhile, but this is what I remember from long time back. Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 10:05:02 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21886 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25207 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:58:13 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25204 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:58:11 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21796; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:59:10 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19197; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:59:17 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802121659.RAA19197@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex issues In-Reply-To: <34E2DCB0.2E46@pi.net> from Hans Hagen at "Feb 12, 98 12:27:44 pm" To: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:59:17 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Han The Thanh wrote: > > > ok, understood. The last question: are you sure that all needed raw data should > > be passed via `attr'? > > For the moment: yes. Maybe 'attr' is confusing. How about 'data'? I would pass it on, as some data is always needed. Thus: \pdfannot width 10pt % optional height 3pt % optional depth 2pt % optional {data} sound ok? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 11:24:54 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24503 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:24:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA25582 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:48 -0500 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25579 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:16:45 -0500 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04482; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:17:45 +0100 (MET) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id TAA17960; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:27:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:27:17 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802121827.TAA17960@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Subject: testing so far X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, i have the simplest problem: when trying to compile example.tex, i get: ! Missing { inserted. a l.352 a uthor {Han The Thanh} ? Runaway text? author {Han The Thanh} title {example.pdf} subject {example} keywords\ETC. ! Forbidden control sequence found while scanning text of \pdfinfo. } \bye l.363 \bye the PDF is however output but the Info menu is empty (and the URI link to your university is not active) the rest being OK. ______________________________ a previous working file with hyperref + french does not work (not investigated so far.. seems that pdfinfo in the \begindocument breaks everything else) ______________________________ testing with TTFs... the most simple test using Monotype garamond: in pdftex.map mgmr8r Garamond 4 can't find table `PCLT' (the TTF is valid & for instance displays nicely with gs prfont.ps) This produces an invalid PDF without PDFtex warnings. ______________________________ same pb with monotype.com (a nice monospace font you can fetch from microsoft site at http://www.microsoft.com/typography) it is WGL4 and maybe follows a rather new TTF revision. same with verdana from the same source. same with times from the same source... ______________________________ sorry, hope this helps Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. « En France, depuis 1974, constate Ignacio Ramonet, la production de biens a augmenté de 70% mais le nombre des chômeurs a été multiplié par sept. Ce n'est pas la production de richesses qui est en panne mais leur distribution équitable. » http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 11:34:49 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24960 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:34:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA25689 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:31:15 -0500 Received: from UPIMSSMTPSYS01 (upimssmtpsys01.email.msn.com [207.68.152.139]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25686 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:31:14 -0500 Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 - 207.68.143.137 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:31:51 -0800 Received: from berlin1.netsurf.de - 194.163.34.221 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:31:42 -0800 Message-ID: <34E3405B.B2AFC8D8@berlin1.netsurf.de> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:33:01 +0100 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PDFTeX Mailing List Subject: JavaScript and PDF: How to include JS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, One can use JavaScript in PDF 1.2, which is especially useful for forms. But there is still the problem of *how* to embed the JS. Hans Hagen suggested one methode, which had been strongly opposed by Peter Deutsch. Maybe somebody of this comes up with a good idea. Hans Hagen wrote (concerning GhostScript's ps2pdf's ability of treating pdfmarks [the support will become much better in GS 5.5, the current beta 5.22 is already supporting the most of them]): > > I suppose the /PUT into the {catalog} also works. Now there is one big problem with that > one. To get JavaScript preambles into the PDF using PS, one needs to add an entry to the > /Names dictionary. Something like: > > [ {Catalog} << /Names {initialize} >> /PUT pdfmark} > > Where {initialize} points to another object. Now, Distiller indeed includes this in the > PDF file, but also add another /Names for the destinations. Reader only reads one of > them! So what we need is: > > /Names << /Whatever << >> /JavaScript << >> /More << >> >> > > and what we get is: > > /Names << /Whatever << >> >> > /Names << JavaScript << >> >> > > I suppose Adobe has to come up with a new pdfmark, but for the moment this can be solved > at the 'reader' (read: GS) level: just support multiple /Names in the Catalog! L. Peter Deutsch wrote as an answer: > No, no! /Names has a well-defined meaning for PDF, and having multiple > occurrences of the same key in a dictionary is a really bad idea. (There > was a discussion about this with respect to CharProcs in the pdf forum > recently.) Could you explain in more detail why JavaScript insists on using > this key for a completely different meaning? Is there some other way to put > JavaScript information in a PDF file? Tobias ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tobias Burnus email: burnus@berlin1.netsurf.de & burnus@msn.com Troppauer Str. 15 Accepting/Akzeptiere HTML mail D-12205 Berlin Verwende auch/Supporting PGP Germany/Deutschland/Allemagne/Duitsland Tel+Fax: +49-(0)30-8118029 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 12 16:21:50 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02952 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26833 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:15:40 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26830 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:15:39 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07760; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:16:38 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06635; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:16:58 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802122316.AAA06635@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: testing so far In-Reply-To: <199802121827.TAA17960@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "Feb 12, 98 07:27:17 pm" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:16:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > i have the simplest problem: > > when trying to compile example.tex, i get: > > ! Missing { inserted. > > a > l.352 a > uthor {Han The Thanh} > ? > Runaway text? > author {Han The Thanh} title {example.pdf} subject {example} keywords\ETC. > ! Forbidden control sequence found while scanning text of \pdfinfo. > > } > > \bye > l.363 \bye > > > the PDF is however output but the Info menu is empty (and the URI link > to your university is not active) the rest being OK. > sorry about forgetting to update example.tex. It should work now. > ______________________________ > > a previous working file with hyperref + french does not work (not > investigated so far.._seems that pdfinfo in the \begindocument breaks > everything else) > ______________________________ as syntax of several primitives has changed, hyperref won't work with pdftex-0.12a now. > testing with TTFs... > > the most simple test using Monotype garamond: > > in pdftex.map > mgmr8r Garamond 4 > (the tfm were done with ttf2afm + fontinst) > > \font\Gara=mgmr8a\Gara\input story > > or > > \font\Gara=mgmr8r\Gara\input story > > or > > \font\Gara=mgmr7t\Gara\input story > > -> > > ! Error: pdftex (file mgmri8a.ttf): > ==> can't find table `PCLT' > > > (the TTF is valid & for instance displays nicely with gs prfont.ps) > > This produces an invalid PDF without PDFtex warnings. however pdfTeX reported an error, didn't it? :-) well, this topic is difficult. TrueType spec says that some tables (tag, chunk) in TTF are required and some are optional. However it seems that if some optional tables are missing, then the PDF output doesn't work. Well, strictly speaking sometimes it works and sometimes not, some work on UNIX but not on Mac :-(. I need to find out when a TT font is valid. Flint from Microsoft didn't help, and FontValidator from Apple crashs on my poor Macintosh. So at the moment pdfTeX requires some optional tables to be present in TT font; otherwise it reports an error. I've compiled successfully the sources of TeX -- tex.pdf with TT fonts (from bakoma package). This file works well on UNIX, but on Mac some glyphs are not displayed. It need more work, I know. So far, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 08:35:12 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA20781 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 03:03:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA29150 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 04:52:36 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA29147 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 04:52:34 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id JAA28501; hop 0; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:50:32 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:50:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:48:38 +0000 Message-ID: <9349-Thu12Feb1998224838+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: karczma@info.unicaen.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: ps2pdf problem In-Reply-To: <199802110827.JAA29423@canardo.info.unicaen.fr> References: <199802110827.JAA29423@canardo.info.unicaen.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk You did use gswin32c.exe, not gswin32.exe, i hope? thats the command line version. I get the following D:\gstools\gs5.10>gswin32c -sDEVICE=tiffg3 -sOutputFile=t.tif tiger.ps quit.ps Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) Copyright (C) 1997 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA. All rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. >>showpage, press to continue<< D:\gstools\gs5.10>dir t.* Volume in drive D has no label. Volume Serial Number is A4C6-B7E5 Directory of D:\gstools\gs5.10 02/12/98 10:47p 300,547 t.tif 1 File(s) 300,547 bytes 181,338,112 bytes free sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 08:35:24 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00686 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:35:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA30498 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:30:24 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA30495 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:30:22 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16748 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:31:18 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23143 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:31:36 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802131531.QAA23143@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12b To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:31:36 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, pdftex-0.12b is available at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12b Changes to pdftex-0.12a: - image length bug fixed (thanks to Peter Deutsch) - example.tex has been updated in pdftexmf.zip - bug with "openaction" in \pdfcatalog fixed - TrueType font handling doesn't fail if some "optional" tables are missing I'll also put a test file of some TTF from Microsoft site that Thierry mentioned at the above locate . Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 08:38:07 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00752 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:38:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA30518 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:33:55 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA30515 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:33:53 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl48.pi.net [145.220.204.48]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA09063; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:34:48 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:34:48 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34E45680.A2A@pi.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:19:44 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: pdftex issues References: <199802131358.OAA18534@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > \pdfendannot won't be needed at all. Just \pdfannot {data}. Right. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 09:02:20 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02122 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:02:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA30153 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:05:21 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA30150 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:05:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:06:17 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz CC: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980213140617.2ec91@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: pdftex issues Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > \pdfendannot won't be needed at all. Just \pdfannot {data}. I support this syntax: \pdfannot is then syntactically a combination of a rule (dimens) and a box (data). But is there any possibility that one might want/need the auto-fit mode of TeX's boxes, including the "to" and "spread" keywords? I can't see any reason for needing this at the moment, but as I remarked to Thanh in another message, just because I can't see the need for something does not imply that one day that need won't arise! ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 09:02:22 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02127 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30111 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:57:05 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30108 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:57:03 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11929; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:57:54 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18534; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:58:16 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802131358.OAA18534@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex issues In-Reply-To: <34E32D58.3311@pi.net> from Hans Hagen at "Feb 12, 98 06:11:52 pm" To: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:58:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, pdftex@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I would pass it on, as some data is always needed. Thus: > > > > \pdfannot > > width 10pt % optional > > height 3pt % optional > > depth 2pt % optional > > {data} > > > > sound ok? > > Isn't this confusing: > > \pdfannot {data} text \pdfendannot \pdfendannot won't be needed at all. Just \pdfannot {data}. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 09:06:09 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02303 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:06:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30030 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:37:51 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30024 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:37:48 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl31.pi.net [145.220.204.31]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA27472; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:38:25 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:38:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34E32DBF.A39@pi.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:13:35 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tanmoy Bhattacharya CC: Han The Thanh , pdftex@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU Subject: Re: object conceptual problem/etex References: <34E2BAAD.5D7F@pi.net> <199802121010.LAA23738@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199802121557.IAA08166@qcd.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tanmoy Bhattacharya wrote: > 1) If the pdf standard gets updated, pdftex might not provide the > right hook. Note that currently, pdftex provides no means of > putting anything between the << and >> that defines the object. Obj is definitely needed for fill-in-form support. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 09:06:11 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02307 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30031 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:37:51 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30025 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:37:48 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl31.pi.net [145.220.204.31]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA27456; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:38:22 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:38:22 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34E32D58.3311@pi.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:11:52 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: PDFTEX Subject: Re: pdftex issues References: <199802121659.RAA19197@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > > Han The Thanh wrote: > > > > > ok, understood. The last question: are you sure that all needed raw data should > > > be passed via `attr'? > > > > For the moment: yes. Maybe 'attr' is confusing. How about 'data'? > > I would pass it on, as some data is always needed. Thus: > > \pdfannot > width 10pt % optional > height 3pt % optional > depth 2pt % optional > {data} > > sound ok? Isn't this confusing: \pdfannot {data} text \pdfendannot is also valid (because that way, pdftex sorts out the width/height (\Rect), but I won;t make a point of itif you omit the data. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 09:15:48 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02645 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA30616 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:57:30 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA30613 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:57:28 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18042; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:58:28 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24329; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:58:47 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802131558.QAA24329@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex issues In-Reply-To: <980213140617.2ec91@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> from Philip Taylor at "Feb 13, 98 02:06:17 pm" To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:58:47 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > \pdfendannot won't be needed at all. Just \pdfannot {data}. > > I support this syntax: \pdfannot is then syntactically a combination > of a rule (dimens) and a box (data). But is there any possibility > that one might want/need the auto-fit mode of TeX's boxes, including > the "to" and "spread" keywords? I can't see any reason for needing > this at the moment, but as I remarked to Thanh in another message, just > because I can't see the need for something does not imply that one day > that need won't arise! ** Phil. agree that it may be needed later. However I prefer doing what is actually needed to what might be needed in the future. Of course I welcome any discussion about new features of pdftex. Thanh From "Nelson H. F. Beebe " Fri Feb 13 09:18:10 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.3]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02771; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:18:09 -0700 (MST) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26057; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:18:08 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:18:08 -0700 (MST) To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: \pdfendannot and \pdfannot Message-ID: [This is off the pdftex list]: >> > \pdfendannot won't be needed at all. Just \pdfannot {data}. Doesn't the world already have far too many unnecessary abbreviations? Why not spell these \pdfendannote and \pdfannote. [Someone once asked Dennis Ritchie what he would do differently if he were to redesign UNIX: his response ``I'd spell ``creat'' with a final ``e''.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 105 JWB beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 10:12:24 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04744 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA30864 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:03:25 -0500 Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl (smtp2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30861 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:03:20 -0500 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24789 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:04:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by infovore id m0y3Nmx-000clJC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:16:31 +0100 (CET) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: PDFTeX on the Alpha...why png image inclusion doesn't work. Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.105) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Olaf Weber Date: 13 Feb 1998 17:16:27 +0100 Message-ID: <87btwbbhus.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk The following is an excerpt from a mail by Keith Refson to the tetex-pretest list. It concerns PDFTeX version 0.11, but the problem still exists in 0.12a. > I have successfully compiled 980210 on sparc-sun-solaris2.5, > sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 and alpha-dec-osf3.2. Here are the things I had > to do to make it compile. In all cases I used GNU make, gcc 2.7.2, > 3) DEC OSF/1 only. PNG inclusion in pdftex still coredumps. The bad > code is in texk/web2c/pdftexdir/writepng.c. The function > "readimageinfo()" is declared as "integer" which obviously > evaluates to a 32 bit integer. This is abused by casting > a 64-bit pointer in an attempt to pass the pointer as a return > value. Ovbiously this fails! > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../.. -I./.. -I./zlib -I./../zlib -g -O2 -c writepng.c > writepng.c: In function `readimageinfo': > writepng.c:56: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size > I couldn't determine where this "integer" type is defined and see > if it can be fixed then, but the pnglib stuff is clearly badly > written as it assumes that sizeof pointer == sizeof int. This particular cast has to go. Since the "integer" values produced are not interpreted in pdftex.ch, just stored and retrieved, the fix can be confined to changes in the libpdf part. My suggestion is to add an extra level of indirection: store the pointers in an array, and give the indices into that array to PDFTeX to work. The array itself doesn't need to be anything fancy, just a block of memory that can be realloced when it needs to grow. -- Olaf Weber From "Han The Thanh " Fri Feb 13 10:04:56 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04486 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:04:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20474; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:04:49 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA25849; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:05:10 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802131705.SAA25849@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: \pdfendannot and \pdfannot In-Reply-To: <980213163657.2ef68@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> from Philip Taylor at "Feb 13, 98 04:36:57 pm" To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk, beebe@math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:05:10 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> The PDF manual describes an "Annots" key, ``each representing an > >> annotation'', so perhaps \pdfannotation would be even better, since > >> a noun, rather than a verb, seems to be preferably here. > > I'd be very happy with \pdf[end]annotation I have nothing against the full(meaning) names of primitives. However by induction one can say: why not introduce a new syntax of \hbox such as \hbox ... \endhbox? I'm willing to change ie \pdfannot --> \pdfannotation, \pdfannotlink --> \pdflinkannotation etc. However I'm not persuaded that adding \pdfendannotation is a good idea yet. Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 11:53:56 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07587 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:53:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA31294 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:40:24 -0500 Received: from top.coli.uni-sb.de (top.coli.uni-sb.de [134.96.68.10]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA31291 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:40:18 -0500 Received: from top (nD2DLxE1oTPr4aHujdCYV5pjUfLcJtKI@top [134.96.68.10]) by top.coli.uni-sb.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA25673; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:37:20 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34E492DF.F3E@coli.uni-sb.de> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:37:19 +0100 From: Berthold Crysmann Organization: Graduiertenkolleg Kognitionswissenschaft, Universitaet des Saarlandes X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: PDFTEX@TUG.CS.UMB.EDU Subject: Breaklinks=false with pdftex and hypertex backends Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear Sebastian, just recently, I have noticed that not all drivers respond to the setting of the breaklinks option. In particular, both hypertex and pdftex seem to ignore the flag. Could you add the following code, supplied as context diffs at the end of this message? As far as I can see, there are no problems with either HyperDVI, HyperPS, or PDF generated by the modified drivers. An advantage of having all drivers respond to this option is that different file formats of the same document do not have different page and line breaks. Moreover, xdvi 20 and hyperghostview are not exactly good at putting borders around links at line breaks, and colorlinks=true isn't very well suited for printing. Best, Berthold So here's the code (it's basically just copied over from pdfmark.def, with the \hy@breaklinks): *** hyperref.sty.orig Fri Feb 13 19:23:11 1998 --- hyperref.sty Fri Feb 13 19:23:33 1998 *************** *** 95,101 **** \input{hpdftex.def}% \def\XR@ext{.pdf}% \PassOptionsToPackage{pdftex}{color}% ! \hy@breaklinkstrue } \define@key{Hyp}{dvipdf}[true]{% \input{hdvipdf.def}% --- 95,101 ---- \input{hpdftex.def}% \def\XR@ext{.pdf}% \PassOptionsToPackage{pdftex}{color}% ! % \hy@breaklinkstrue } \define@key{Hyp}{dvipdf}[true]{% \input{hdvipdf.def}% *************** *** 293,299 **** {\input{hpdftex.def}% \def\XR@ext{.pdf}% \PassOptionsToPackage{pdftex}{color}% ! \hy@breaklinkstrue }% \fi } --- 293,299 ---- {\input{hpdftex.def}% \def\XR@ext{.pdf}% \PassOptionsToPackage{pdftex}{color}% ! % \hy@breaklinkstrue }% \fi } *** hpdftex.def.orig Fri Feb 13 19:19:00 1998 --- hpdftex.def Fri Feb 13 19:20:13 1998 *************** *** 30,37 **** \def\hyper@anchor#1{\new@pdflink{#1}\anchor@spot\pdf@endanchor} \def\hyper@anchorstart#1{\new@pdflink{#1}\hy@activeanchortrue} \def\hyper@anchorend{\hy@activeanchorfalse\pdf@endanchor} ! \def\hyper@linkstart#1#2{\find@pdflink{#1}{#2}} ! \def\hyper@linkend{\close@pdflink} \def\hyper@link#1#2#3{% \edef\CurrentBorderColor{\csname @#1bordercolor\endcsname}% \find@pdflink{#1}{#2}#3\close@pdflink --- 30,42 ---- \def\hyper@anchor#1{\new@pdflink{#1}\anchor@spot\pdf@endanchor} \def\hyper@anchorstart#1{\new@pdflink{#1}\hy@activeanchortrue} \def\hyper@anchorend{\hy@activeanchorfalse\pdf@endanchor} ! \def\hyper@linkstart#1#2{\ifhy@breaklinks\else ! \leavevmode\hbox\bgroup\color@begingroup ! \fi ! \find@pdflink{#1}{#2}} ! \def\hyper@linkend{\close@pdflink ! \ifhy@breaklinks\else\color@endgroup\egroup\fi ! } \def\hyper@link#1#2#3{% \edef\CurrentBorderColor{\csname @#1bordercolor\endcsname}% \find@pdflink{#1}{#2}#3\close@pdflink *** hypertex.def.orig Fri Feb 13 18:54:51 1998 --- hypertex.def Fri Feb 13 18:56:19 1998 *************** *** 31,36 **** --- 31,39 ---- } \def\@urltype{url} \def\hyper@linkstart#1#2{% + \ifhy@breaklinks\else + \leavevmode\hbox\bgroup\color@begingroup + \fi \colorlink{\csname @#1color\endcsname}% \def\@tempa{#1}\ifx\@tempa\@urltype \special{html:}% *************** *** 41,46 **** --- 44,50 ---- \def\hyper@linkend{% \special{html:}% \hyper@resetcolor + \ifhy@breaklinks\else\color@endgroup\egroup\fi } \def\hyper@linkfile#1#2#3{% \hyper@linkurl{#1}{file:#2\ifx\\#3\\\else\##3\fi}% -- Berthold Crysmann Universitaet des Saarlandes, Computerlinguistik Geb. 17.2, Postfach 151150, D-66041 Saarbruecken Tel. +49-681-302-4502 / Fax +49-681-302-4700 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 13:18:38 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10020 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA31851 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:15:11 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA31848 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:15:09 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00098; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:16:00 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29808; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:16:19 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802132016.VAA29808@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: PDFTeX on the Alpha...why png image inclusion doesn't work. In-Reply-To: <87btwbbhus.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> from Olaf Weber at "Feb 13, 98 05:16:27 pm" To: olaf@infovore.xs4all.nl (Olaf Weber) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:16:19 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > This particular cast has to go. Since the "integer" values produced > are not interpreted in pdftex.ch, just stored and retrieved, the fix > can be confined to changes in the libpdf part. My suggestion is to > add an extra level of indirection: store the pointers in an array, and > give the indices into that array to PDFTeX to work. The array itself > doesn't need to be anything fancy, just a block of memory that can be > realloced when it needs to grow. thanks for the bug report and suggestion. it seems to be a good solution. I will work on it. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 14:59:30 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12632 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:59:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA32294 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:57:05 -0500 Received: from nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.3]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA32291 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:57:04 -0500 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE by nx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:58:03 +0100 Received: from StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (actually sx2.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:57:48 +0100 Received: from localhost by StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (SMI-8.6/HRZ-V1.6-SunOS-09/10/97-11:04:10) id WAA27604; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:57:47 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:57:47 +0100 (MET) From: Werner Lemberg To: Han The Thanh cc: PDFTEX Subject: Re: Mac Encoding In-Reply-To: <199802041455.PAA20017@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Han The Thanh wrote: > many thanks for your answers. However I find out now that what I asked for is > not exactly what I need: the names of 258 Apple standard glyphs. Does someone > know about that? You may get the file `encfiles.zip' from Richard Kinch's home page (http://idt.net/~truetex). Werner From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 15:02:28 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12705 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:02:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA32313 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:59:47 -0500 Received: from nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.3]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA32310 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:59:46 -0500 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE by nx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:00:42 +0100 Received: from StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (actually sx2.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:00:22 +0100 Received: from localhost by StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (SMI-8.6/HRZ-V1.6-SunOS-09/10/97-11:04:10) id XAA27674; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:00:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:00:20 +0100 (MET) From: Werner Lemberg To: Han The Thanh cc: Thierry Bouche , PDFTEX Subject: Re: testing so far In-Reply-To: <199802122316.AAA06635@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Han The Thanh wrote: > well, this topic is difficult. TrueType spec says that some tables (tag, chunk) > in TTF are required and some are optional. However it seems that if some > optional tables are missing, then the PDF output doesn't work. Well, strictly > speaking sometimes it works and sometimes not, some work on UNIX but not on > Mac :-(. I need to find out when a TT font is valid. Flint from Microsoft didn't > help, and FontValidator from Apple crashs on my poor Macintosh. So at the moment > pdfTeX requires some optional tables to be present in TT font; otherwise it > reports an error. What about using FreeType? This is a complete free TTF rasterizer supporting hinting and composite glyphs -- I've no idea (yet :-) how TTFs are used in pdfTeX, but FreeType can read both Mac and Windows fonts, providing a quite generic API. Werner PS: Look at ftp://ftp.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/pub/freetype/devel From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 15:08:27 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12866 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA32349 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:05:43 -0500 Received: from nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.3]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA32346 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:05:41 -0500 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE by nx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:06:38 +0100 Received: from StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (actually sx2.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:06:30 +0100 Received: from localhost by StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (SMI-8.6/HRZ-V1.6-SunOS-09/10/97-11:04:10) id XAA27743; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:06:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:06:29 +0100 (MET) From: Werner Lemberg To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex buggy? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk It seems that pdftex 0.11 has problems with virtual fonts, e.g. replace the font ptmr8r with ptmr8t in example.tex (in pdftexdir/etc), and you'll get a lot of `checksum missmatch' messages -- nevertheless dvips can process this file without problems. Has this already been corrected? Or am I doing something wrong? Werner From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 13 15:40:33 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13751 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA32486 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:37:48 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA32483 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:37:46 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04675; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:38:45 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA01691; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:39:07 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802132239.XAA01691@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex buggy? In-Reply-To: from Werner Lemberg at "Feb 13, 98 11:06:29 pm" To: sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de (Werner Lemberg) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:39:07 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > It seems that pdftex 0.11 has problems with virtual fonts, e.g. replace > the font ptmr8r with ptmr8t in example.tex (in pdftexdir/etc), and you'll > get a lot of `checksum missmatch' messages -- nevertheless dvips > can process this file without problems. > > Has this already been corrected? Or am I doing something wrong? this problem has been reported many times, but I have never had it myself, so I don't know what/how to correct. Thanh From owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Sun Feb 15 13:59:43 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22463 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:59:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09646 for tex-pretest-list; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:55:01 -0500 Received: from cs.umb.edu (cs.umb.edu [158.121.104.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09640 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:54:54 -0500 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr by cs.umb.edu with SMTP id AA15122 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for tex-pretest@tug.cs.umb.edu); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:55:47 -0500 Received: from HAL9000.ese-metz.fr (ppp2.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.222]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16790; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:55:41 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:55:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802152055.VAA16790@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> From: Fabrice POPINEAU To: infovore@xs4all.nl, thanh@informatics.muni.cz Cc: pdftex@cs.umb.edu, tex-pretest@cs.umb.edu Subject: pdftex 0.12b, --fmt option Reply-To: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr Sender: owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there any reason why the following won't work using pdftex 0.12b and web2c-7.2beta5: pdftex --fmt=pdftex --ini "\pdfoutput=1 \input plain \dump" the format file produced is called ".fmt" instead of "pdftex.fmt" ... I have tried to trace the problem but was unsuccessful for the moment. Fabrice From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Feb 15 14:21:23 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22922 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:21:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09726 for pdftex-list; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:13:22 -0500 Received: from nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.3]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09723 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:13:20 -0500 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE by nx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (PP); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:14:20 +0100 Received: from StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (actually sx2.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE with SMTP (PP); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:14:05 +0100 Received: from localhost by StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (SMI-8.6/HRZ-V1.6-SunOS-09/10/97-11:04:10) id WAA22324; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:14:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:14:04 +0100 (MET) From: Werner Lemberg To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: vf bug found Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've found the reason why vf-handling sometimes fails: vf_read() in pdftex.ch is not compatible with store_four_quarters() in tex.web; it depends on endianness which causes the checksum mismatch errors. I suggest using the temp variable `qw' for vf_read() too. Werner From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Feb 15 15:16:10 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24035 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09945 for pdftex-list; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:12:22 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09942 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:12:20 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22340; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:13:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA26150; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:13:33 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802152213.XAA26150@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: vf bug found In-Reply-To: from Werner Lemberg at "Feb 15, 98 10:14:04 pm" To: sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de (Werner Lemberg) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:13:33 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I've found the reason why vf-handling sometimes fails: > > vf_read() in pdftex.ch is not compatible with store_four_quarters() in > tex.web; it depends on endianness which causes the checksum mismatch > errors. > > I suggest using the temp variable `qw' for vf_read() too. many thanks. I've changed tmp_w := vf_read(4); cs := tmp_w.qqqq; to cs.b0 := vf_read(1); cs.b1 := vf_read(1); cs.b2 := vf_read(1); cs.b3 := vf_read(1); Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 16 10:02:34 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15811 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA12770 for pdftex-list; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:22:39 -0500 Received: from nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.3]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA12767 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:22:35 -0500 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE by nx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (PP); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:23:26 +0100 Received: from StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (actually sx2.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE with SMTP (PP); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:23:07 +0100 Received: from localhost by StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (SMI-8.6/HRZ-V1.6-SunOS-09/10/97-11:04:10) id LAA04384; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:23:05 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:23:05 +0100 (MET) From: Werner Lemberg To: Han The Thanh cc: PDFTEX Subject: Re: vf bug found In-Reply-To: <199802152213.XAA26150@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Han The Thanh wrote: > > vf_read() in pdftex.ch is not compatible with store_four_quarters() in > > tex.web; it depends on endianness which causes the checksum mismatch > > errors. > > > > I suggest using the temp variable `qw' for vf_read() too. > > many thanks. I've changed > > tmp_w := vf_read(4); > cs := tmp_w.qqqq; > > to > > cs.b0 := vf_read(1); > cs.b1 := vf_read(1); > cs.b2 := vf_read(1); > cs.b3 := vf_read(1); There are some other places where vf_read() is used -- have you checked them too? Werner From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 16 10:02:35 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15813 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:02:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA12858 for pdftex-list; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:46:19 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA12855 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:46:15 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15104; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:47:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08125; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:47:47 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802161047.LAA08125@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: vf bug found In-Reply-To: from Werner Lemberg at "Feb 16, 98 11:23:05 am" To: sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de (Werner Lemberg) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:47:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > > vf_read() in pdftex.ch is not compatible with store_four_quarters() in > > > tex.web; it depends on endianness which causes the checksum mismatch > > > errors. > > > > > > I suggest using the temp variable `qw' for vf_read() too. > > > > many thanks. I've changed > > > > tmp_w := vf_read(4); > > cs := tmp_w.qqqq; > > > > to > > > > cs.b0 := vf_read(1); > > cs.b1 := vf_read(1); > > cs.b2 := vf_read(1); > > cs.b3 := vf_read(1); > > There are some other places where vf_read() is used -- have you checked > them too? there is another place with the same prolem (checksum of local font of vf): tmp_int := vf_read(4); --> tmp_b0 := vf_read(1); tmp_b1 := vf_read(1); tmp_b2 := vf_read(1); tmp_b3 := vf_read(1); The mistake was bad assumption of memory_word structure. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Feb 17 06:26:36 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA11609 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19309 for pdftex-list; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:16:13 -0500 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19306 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:16:10 -0500 Received: from NEUROMANCER.ese-metz.fr (neuromancer.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.95]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22770; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:16:56 +0100 (MET) To: pdftex@tug.org, texk-win32@ese-metz.fr Subject: pdftex-0.12b win32 From: Fabrice POPINEAU Date: 17 Feb 1998 14:16:00 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.27/Emacs 19.34 X-Emacs: 19.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.98 - "Sodani") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, It is available for those who want to play with it from: ftp://ftp.ese-metz.fr/pub/TeX/win32-beta/pdftex-0.12b-win32.zip Fabrice Popineau From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 18 07:26:13 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01046 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA30045 for pdftex-list; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:07:57 -0500 Received: from nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.3]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA30042 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:07:51 -0500 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE by nx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (PP); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:08:42 +0100 Received: from StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (actually sx2.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE with SMTP (PP); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:08:38 +0100 Received: from localhost by StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (SMI-8.6/HRZ-V1.6-SunOS-09/10/97-11:04:10) id PAA05967; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:08:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:08:36 +0100 (MET) From: Werner Lemberg To: pdftex@tug.org cc: tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de Subject: pdftex + vf now works. In-Reply-To: <199802161047.LAA08125@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Han The Thanh wrote: > > > > vf_read() in pdftex.ch is not compatible with store_four_quarters() in > > > > tex.web; it depends on endianness which causes the checksum mismatch > > > > errors. > > There are some other places where vf_read() is used -- have you checked > > them too? Here is a diff (relative to the latest teTeX beta) which makes pdftex run on my PC Linux box; two endianness errors were still hidden in addition to the ones described on the list. Maybe the vf_read() function should be replaced with another function since having vf_read(1) four times is not that elegant... Werner ======================================================================== --- pdftex.ch.orig Fri Jan 30 17:42:19 1998 +++ pdftex.ch Wed Feb 18 14:12:56 1998 @@ -2359,7 +2359,10 @@ ds, s: scaled; cs: four_quarters; begin - tmp_int := vf_read(4); + tmp_b0 := vf_read(1); + tmp_b1 := vf_read(1); + tmp_b2 := vf_read(1); + tmp_b3 := vf_read(1); cs := tmp_w.qqqq; tmp_int := vf_read(4); scaled4(s); @@ -2459,7 +2462,10 @@ cmd_length := vf_byte; for k := 1 to cmd_length do tmp_int := vf_byte; -tmp_int := vf_read(4); +tmp_b0 := vf_read(1); +tmp_b1 := vf_read(1); +tmp_b2 := vf_read(1); +tmp_b3 := vf_read(1); if (tmp_b0 <> font_check[f].b0) or (tmp_b1 <> font_check[f].b1) or (tmp_b2 <> font_check[f].b2) or (tmp_b3 <> font_check[f].b3) then begin print_nl("checksum missmatch in font "); @@ -2490,13 +2496,19 @@ if cmd = long_char then begin vf_packet_length := vf_read(4); cc := vf_read(4); - tmp_int := vf_read(4); + tmp_b0 := vf_read(1); + tmp_b1 := vf_read(1); + tmp_b2 := vf_read(1); + tmp_b3 := vf_read(1); scaled4(tfm_width); end else begin vf_packet_length := cmd; cc := vf_byte; - tmp_int := vf_read(3); + tmp_b0 := 0; + tmp_b1 := vf_read(1); + tmp_b2 := vf_read(1); + tmp_b3 := vf_read(1); scaled3(tfm_width); end; if vf_packet_length < 0 then From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 18 10:34:12 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06154 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:34:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA32030 for pdftex-list; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:29:47 -0500 Received: from sirocco.CC.McGill.CA (sirocco.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.27.12]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA32027 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:29:43 -0500 Received: from scylla.math.mcgill.ca (Scylla.Math.McGill.CA [132.206.150.17]) by sirocco.CC.McGill.CA (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA08872 for <@mailhost.mcgill.ca:pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:30:45 -0500 X-SMTP-Posting-Origin: scylla.math.mcgill.ca (Scylla.Math.McGill.CA [132.206.150.17]) Received: from scylla.math.mcgill.ca by scylla.math.mcgill.ca via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI.AUTO) for id MAA20211; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:32:07 -0500 Message-ID: <34EB1AF2.7705714C@scylla.math.mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:31:30 -0500 From: luc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: pdflatex and pdftex...the same? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm not on this list...and cannot seem to find this info. Can PDFTEX compile a LATEX document? If not, how do I create a PDFLATEX data will? I'm trying to install this package on an Irix 5.3 system after some users using PC's with Miktex 1.10 have requested an equivalent tool for UNIX. Cheers, Luc. P.S. Please respond to luc@scylla.math.mcgill.ca as I am not on this list...thx ;-) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 18 12:08:41 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09052 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:08:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA32386 for pdftex-list; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:02:40 -0500 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA32383 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:02:37 -0500 Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 18 Feb 98 19:03:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by turing.maths.tcd.ie (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA28944 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:03:38 GMT From: Timothy Murphy Message-Id: <199802181903.TAA28944@turing.maths.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: pdflatex and pdftex...the same? To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:03:38 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <34EB1AF2.7705714C@scylla.math.mcgill.ca> from "luc" at Feb 18, 98 12:31:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I'm not on this list...and cannot seem to find this info. Can PDFTEX > compile a LATEX document? If not, how do I create a PDFLATEX data will? > I'm trying to install this package on an Irix 5.3 system after some > users using PC's with Miktex 1.10 have requested an equivalent tool for > UNIX. (1) I assume you have the pdftex executable. You must create the pdflatex.fmt by pdftex -i latex.ltx mv latex.fmt pdflatex.fmt and put it where the other fmt files (egt latex.fmt) live. (2) mv /usr/local/bin (or wherever) ln -s pdftex pdflatex (3) To compile the latex file foo.tex, say pdflatex "\pdfoutput=1 \input foo" From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Feb 21 20:08:30 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25738 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:08:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08227 for pdftex-list; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:49:25 -0500 Received: from mathi.uni-heidelberg.DE (vogon.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.26.13]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01584 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:54:11 -0500 Received: from fenchurch by mathi.uni-heidelberg.DE (NX5.67e/NX3.0Mathi) id AA01157; Thu, 19 Feb 98 12:59:56 +0100 Message-Id: <9802191159.AA01157@mathi.uni-heidelberg.DE> Received: by thefly.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA15720; Thu, 19 Feb 98 11:46:59 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Gregor Hoffleit Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 11:46:58 +0100 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ptmro8r definition missing (using times and headings) Reply-To: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.DE Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk When I use \pagestyle{headings} and \usepackage{times} with pdftex, I'm running into the problem that pdftex.map doesn't define a slanted Times (i.e. ptmro8r), therefore I end up with a fatal error "Don't know how to process font ptmro8r". Could this be fixed somehow ? A small sample document: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{times} \pagestyle{headings} \begin{document} \section{first} \newpage \section{second} \end{document} Gregor --- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) | From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Feb 21 20:12:01 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25862 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08603 for pdftex-list; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:43:53 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08599 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:43:52 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id LAA24175; hop 0; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:46:53 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:44:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:45:20 +0000 Message-ID: <2883-Fri20Feb1998114520+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 7 Q) From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: PDF forms to die for Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Have a look at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdfex/calculat.pdf to see what Hans Hagen has been up to. You'll need the forms plugin to use this, and Reader or Exchange 3.01, but its worth the trouble, as an impressive demonstration of what you can do with TeX, PDF and Javascript. You can't do this with pdfTeX today, but very shortly, if all goes well. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Feb 21 20:12:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25864 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08593 for pdftex-list; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:43:50 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08590 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:43:48 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id QAA09160; hop 0; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:25:40 GMT Received: from screavie.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:23:09 +0000 Received: from lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk (lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.192.141]) by screavie.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29591 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:22:19 GMT Received: (from srahtz@localhost) by lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01743; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:27:10 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:27:10 GMT Message-Id: <199802201627.QAA01743@lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk> From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: pdf forms demo Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Subject: PDF forms to die for Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Have a look at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdfex/calculat.pdf to see what Hans Hagen has been up to. You'll need the forms plugin to use this, and Reader or Exchange 3.01, but its worth the trouble, as an impressive demonstration of what you can do with TeX, PDF and Javascript. You can't do this with pdfTeX today, but very shortly, if all goes well. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Feb 21 20:12:04 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25867 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08346 for pdftex-list; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:00:53 -0500 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08343 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:00:50 -0500 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-5-39.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.56.163]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA19550; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:27:44 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <34EE759A.FE142D39@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:35:06 +1100 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabrice POPINEAU CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12b win32 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have been playing with Fabrice's win32 version of pdftex0.12b. At first I made the mistake of unzipping the file with pkunzip -d pdftex~1 This caused pdftex.pool to be incorrectly saved as pdftex.poo and when I tried to pdftex -ini it complained that it couldn't find tex.pool. When I eventually diagnosed the problem, I started again, using Winzip to unzip it this time. Then I was able to make my format files OK. When I pdftex'd something, though, it looked for ttf font files (which I didn't have) instead of pfb files (which I do have). I have not yet found out how to persuade it to read my pdftex.map, but by editing standard.map I was able to get it to find my pfb files. The only way I could get it to stop looking for ttf files was to comment out all the lines in cmttf.map. I subsequently downloaded the bakoma ttf files for the cm, eu and ms fonts, and I can use them to get pdf files that acroread accepts, but they look like random arrays of symbols. Using the pfb files I get good output at \magstep0, but when I tried \magstep1 there seemed to be a problem with the vertical offset. The top few lines of my file disappeared off the top of the page. Bob Howlett Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > > Hi, > > It is available for those who want to play with it from: > > ftp://ftp.ese-metz.fr/pub/TeX/win32-beta/pdftex-0.12b-win32.zip > > Fabrice Popineau From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 23 03:01:39 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03015 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 03:01:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA23716 for pdftex-list; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:48:13 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23713 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:48:11 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id JAA21353; hop 0; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:45:58 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:42:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:54:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3367-Sat21Feb1998215418+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.DE Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ptmro8r definition missing (using times and headings) In-Reply-To: <9802191159.AA01157@mathi.uni-heidelberg.DE> References: <9802191159.AA01157@mathi.uni-heidelberg.DE> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Gregor Hoffleit writes: > When I use \pagestyle{headings} and \usepackage{times} with pdftex, > I'm running into the problem that pdftex.map doesn't define a slanted > Times (i.e. ptmro8r), therefore I end up with a fatal error "Don't > know how to process font ptmro8r". > > Could this be fixed somehow ? not easily, no. I dont think Thanh has anything coming up to solve this. Moral: if you wanted slanted, use a genuine slanted font. things like \let\sl\it \let\textsl\textit help. otherwise redefine the (horrible anyway) heading style sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 23 04:25:43 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA04623 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:25:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA24161 for pdftex-list; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:17:17 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24158 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:17:15 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id LAA25850; hop 0; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:15:04 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:11:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:09:12 +0000 Message-ID: <6227-Mon23Feb1998110912+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org cc: yjx@math.nus.edu.sg Subject: starting question In-Reply-To: <199802231105.GAA24075@tug.cs.umb.edu> References: <199802231105.GAA24075@tug.cs.umb.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, All, > > I just begin to use PDFTEX. I have some self-defined fonts, including > TFM files and PK files(eg. user.tfm, user.pk, etc). Who can instruct > me to use these fonts to creat my own PDF output? > > Thanks in advance. > > Yin J. X. > > > PLEASE dont use the word `help' as a subject title. the mailing list software traps it and throws your mail at me as maintainer.... And the answer is, sorry, you can only use fonts for which you have a Type1 or TrueType font. I would not like to say where on Thanh's list of priorities this might me - since Acrobat renders Type3 fonts so horribly anyway, its hardly worth the effort at present. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 23 05:47:07 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA06080 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 05:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24538 for pdftex-list; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:40:19 -0500 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24535 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:40:16 -0500 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13610 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:41:19 +0100 (MET) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id NAA11242; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:52:23 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:52:23 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802231252.NAA11242@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: PDF forms to die for In-Reply-To: <2883-Fri20Feb1998114520+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <2883-Fri20Feb1998114520+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « PDF forms to die for », Sebastian Rahtz écrit : « Have a look at « « http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/calculat.pdf « gasp! too much for me! i died already! Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Feb 23 07:17:59 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07950 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:17:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24997 for pdftex-list; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:11:03 -0500 Received: from maila.central.susx.ac.uk (maila.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.4.12]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24991 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:10:53 -0500 Received: from jfoster.maps.susx.ac.uk [139.184.128.152] by maila.central.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #16) id 0y6yZm-0006u3-00; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:09:46 +0000 Message-ID: <34F1916A.21D6@sussex.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:10:34 +0000 From: James Foster Reply-To: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Organization: University of Sussex X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Writing bookmarks with hyperref Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Advice with writing pdf bookmarks would be appreciated. I get these generated automatically by hyperref when I use a section command like \section{First section} But how do I write one for a section like \section*{Introduction} which has numbering suppressed? I've tried to fathom out what \pdfbookmark does, but I can't work out what to feed it for arguments. I can get it to write a bookmark, but then I lose the ones generated by the \section command. James Foster ______________________________________________________________________ Dr James Foster Email: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Sub-Dean School of Mathematical Sciences Tel: +44 (0)1273 678625 University of Sussex Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QH, UK Fax: +44 (0)1273 678097 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Feb 24 02:50:25 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07659 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 02:50:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA30065 for pdftex-list; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:30:35 -0500 Received: from maila.central.susx.ac.uk (maila.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.4.12]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA30062 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:30:33 -0500 Received: from jfoster.maps.susx.ac.uk [139.184.128.152] by maila.central.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #16) id 0y7Gfs-0003YE-00; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:29:21 +0000 Message-ID: <34F2A11B.7B5C@sussex.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:29:48 +0000 From: James Foster Reply-To: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Organization: University of Sussex X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Writing bookmark with hyperref Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to Sebastian and Andreas for responding. However, I still have a problem, which the following example demonstrates. How do I get the two bookmarks to be at the same level? More generally, how do I control the level (correct terminology?) at which a bookmark is written? Does this depend on the identifier passed as the second argument to \pdfbookmark? (In my earlier post, I said I had lost bookmarks: they were in fact there all the time, but hidden from view at a lower level.) James Foster % ----------------- Example --------------------------- % In this example, a bookmark for "Introduction" and a bookmark % for "First section" are written, but the latter is at a lower % level and appears only when "Introduction" is expanded, as if % "First section" were a sub-section of "Introduction". % Clicking on either causes a jump to the correct destination. \documentclass[pdftex,12pt,a4paper]{article} \usepackage{hyperref} \begin{document} \section*{Introduction} \pdfbookmark{Introduction}{intro} \newpage \section{First section} A short first section. \end{document} % ---------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Dr James Foster Email: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Sub-Dean School of Mathematical Sciences Tel: +44 (0)1273 678625 University of Sussex Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QH, UK Fax: +44 (0)1273 678097 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Feb 24 03:46:35 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA08814 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 03:46:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA30387 for pdftex-list; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:35:50 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA30384 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:35:49 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id KAA14427; hop 0; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:33:23 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:29:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:24:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1180-Tue24Feb1998102458+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Writing bookmark with hyperref In-Reply-To: <34F2A11B.7B5C@sussex.ac.uk> References: <34F2A11B.7B5C@sussex.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk \pdfbookmark has a first *optional* parameter, the level at which the bookmark appears, defaulting to 0. so theoretically \pdfbookmark[2]{Introduction}{intro} does the job of making a subsection-like bookmark. but this is untested in practice. By the way, hyperref 6.11 and 6.12 were badly broken. anyone who installed them should get 6.13, which I will install shortly. author/year bibliographies were a real mess. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Feb 24 10:09:32 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17862 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:09:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA32120 for pdftex-list; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:01:41 -0500 Received: from maila.central.susx.ac.uk (maila.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.4.12]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA32117 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:01:37 -0500 Received: from jfoster.maps.susx.ac.uk [139.184.128.152] by maila.central.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #16) id 0y7NiQ-0002Lv-00; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:00:23 +0000 Message-ID: <34F30ADE.78F@sussex.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:01:02 +0000 From: James Foster Reply-To: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Organization: University of Sussex X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Writing bookmark with hyperref References: <34F2A11B.7B5C@sussex.ac.uk> <1180-Tue24Feb1998102458+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > \pdfbookmark has a first *optional* parameter, the level at which the > bookmark appears, defaulting to 0. so theoretically > > \pdfbookmark[2]{Introduction}{intro} > > does the job of making a subsection-like bookmark. but this is > untested in practice. > > By the way, hyperref 6.11 and 6.12 were badly broken. anyone who > installed them should get 6.13, which I will install > shortly. author/year bibliographies were a real mess. > > sebastian I was using hyperref 6.9 (distributed with MikTeX), but I have now upgraded to 6.13. Further tests show that the optional parameter is not accepted. If I try using \pdfbookmark[0]{Introduction}{intro} then [ is read as the (non-optional) first argument giving [ as the bookmark, 0 is read as the (non-optional) second argument giving 0 as the identifier, and the rest gets treated as text putting ]Introductionintro into the pdf file. Here's the line written to the .out file: \BOOKMARK {0.0}{[}{} I think that I can get the bookmarks that I want by letting hyperref do its stuff, adding \let\WriteBookmarks\relax to the .out file, as suggested in the manual, and editing the file, but I haven't quite cracked the format yet. Sorry to be a pest, but these are my first tentative steps into pdftex and hyperref. I'm always wary of claiming a bug, especially when I am unsure of correct usage (as I am in this case). With regards, James ______________________________________________________________________ Dr James Foster Email: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Sub-Dean School of Mathematical Sciences Tel: +44 (0)1273 678625 University of Sussex Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QH, UK Fax: +44 (0)1273 678097 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 25 07:45:40 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA19798 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:45:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04872 for pdftex-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:24:05 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04868 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:24:03 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id OAA28465; hop 0; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:21:37 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:17:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:19:09 +0000 Message-ID: <1339-Wed25Feb1998141909+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 7 I) From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: hyperref 6.14 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Why did i think 13 was not unlucky? That had the most serious bug yet, not incrementing any list counters.... [1] 6.14 is on CTAN now. Anyone with 6.11, 6.12 or 6.13 MUST upgrade. Of interest to pdftex users are a) \pdfbookmark should work as documented now, and b) you can use "bookmarksopen" as an option, to have the bookmark tree expanded Sebastian [1] Tanmoy is to blame for this round of disasters, provoking me to play with list items... From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 25 09:23:52 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22473 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:23:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05454 for pdftex-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:18:31 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05451 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:18:26 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id QAA06342; hop 0; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:15:45 GMT Received: from screavie.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:11:06 +0000 Received: from lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk (lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.192.141]) by screavie.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03025; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:10:57 GMT Received: (from srahtz@localhost) by lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA04363; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:18:10 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:18:10 GMT Message-Id: <199802251618.QAA04363@lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk> From: Sebastian Rahtz To: crysmann@coli.uni-sb.de Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: hyperref 6.14 In-Reply-To: <34F44071.4190@coli.uni-sb.de> References: <1339-Wed25Feb1998141909+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34F44071.4190@coli.uni-sb.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Berthold Crysmann writes: > at a page break turns the footnote text introduced by the \thanks > command into a hyperlink to the same bib entry. I have attached the I shall look > \usepackage[ps2pdf]{hyperref}, following \cite{}-link results in the > display being justified with top of the referenced entry (the desired > result), while with \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} the display is > justified with the bottom line of the entry, making a scroll necessary I'll try and understand this too.... > The second minor problem is related to the display of the bookmarks: > with ps2pdf all bookmarks are displayed unfolded, while with pdftex one > has to open them manually. Is there a way to control this behaviour? 6.14 should have fixed this. the "bookmarksopen" option should show them expanded, otherwise always closed > Finally, a question concerning acrobat commands in a document: is there > a way to send a magnification command to the reader, rather than just > switching from the hand to the magnifying glass cursor (like ZoomIn)? > What I would like to do is something like this: clicking on a figure > magnifies it, clicking on the caption returns to normal magnification. Hans can probably answer that better than me. If you can show how to do it in Exchange, it can be programmed in hyperref.... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 25 09:57:47 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23353 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:57:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05601 for pdftex-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:46:01 -0500 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (dialin2-127.wustl.edu [128.252.82.127]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05595 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:45:51 -0500 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15512; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:45:39 -0600 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: PDF graphic inclusion From: Alan Shutko Date: 25 Feb 1998 10:45:34 -0600 Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.98 - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?"D=F2?= =?ISO-8859-4?Q?h=F2ji"?=) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've been trying some PDF graphic inclusion. I had some EPS files created with tgif, and I ran them through ps2pdf. I did an \includegraphics{topview} and got the following error: ! Argument of \Gread@find@mbox has an extra }. \par l.67 ...\subfigure[Top]{\includegraphics{topview}} \hspace{.5in} I remember that PDFTeX is picky about the PDF graphics it will include. I don't want to convert this pic to bitmap (since it was vector in the first place), so what's the best way to proceed? -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted IBM: When you care enough to spend the very most. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Feb 25 13:50:55 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29594 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:50:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06568 for pdftex-list; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:42:21 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06565 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:42:19 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08574 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:43:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07575 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:43:40 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802252043.VAA07575@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12c To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:43:40 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, pdftex-0.12c is available at: ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12c Changes: - vf bugs fixed (thanks to Werner Lemberg) - PNG bug fixed - \mag nows has affect to page dimensions - XObject forms are output when needed only - pdfmltex works now - \pdfobj, \pdflastobj, \pdfannot, \pdflastannot added - ttf2afm is included in pdftex binary zips - TrueType fonts seem to work well. At the above location is a sample of some free TrueType fonts from Microsoft site in T1 encoding (testfont.pdf). The metrics were created by Sebastian (using fontinst) from afms generated from TrueType fonts by ttf2afm (using encoding vector 8r.enc). Notice that TrueType fonts that are embeded *entirely* and contains a lot of glyphs might not work. This is a problem of AcroReader, not pdftex. - map file syntax extended: now it is possible to say ie: cmr10 CMR10 !cmr10.pfb cmtext.enc which means not read font file at all; just write font name to pdf output. The pdf output then works only on systems where the used font is available only. It's not useful very much for document exchange, as the PDF is not "portable" at all. On the other hand it is very useful when one wants to speed up running of pdftex during interactive work, and embed fonts in final version only. This idea works only for system where AcroReader has access to installed fonts (such as Win95/NT). I've tested this feature by installing ATM (I've used Win95) and CM fonts in Type1 format (BlueSky) and running pdftex for nearly all CM fonts (well, for all font with prefix `cm'). The results is very good: pdftex running is speeded up a lot and the output is very small (no supprise, as no font is embeded). The AcroReader can read it without problems (but with only warning about bad value of BBox in font cmr7). gaps, I'm thinking of switching to Win95/NT... Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Feb 26 14:22:26 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05278 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12577 for pdftex-list; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:15:23 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12574 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:15:22 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26330 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:16:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA24234 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:16:27 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802262116.WAA24234@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12d To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:16:27 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, pdftex-0.12d is available at: ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12d There is no impornant change in this version apart from fixing some bugs. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 27 01:07:45 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20469 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:07:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA15242 for pdftex-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 03:03:18 -0500 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15239 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 03:03:06 -0500 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08768; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:04:10 +0100 (MET) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id JAA12044; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:15:44 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:15:44 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802270815.JAA12044@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX), gabuzo@mail.dotcom.fr Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12d In-Reply-To: <199802262116.WAA24234@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199802262116.WAA24234@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk great! no more (typographical) problems on screen now! i've also put a testfont.pdf on my site showing various fonts with various glyph sets and original encodings. ftp://fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/pub/contrib-tex/pdftex/testfont.pdf I also used successfully bluesky CMs with your map file with bakoma names. My only remaining problem is that i can't print them now (or even view them with gs) because of some -| operator being undefined. Is this a problem of acrobat version, of fonts, or what? Cheers, Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 27 02:19:05 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22044 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA15544 for pdftex-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:14:19 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15541 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:14:17 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17329; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:15:22 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14627; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:15:25 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802270915.KAA14627@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12d In-Reply-To: <199802270856.JAA13001@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "Feb 27, 98 09:56:59 am" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:15:25 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Hi again, > > looking at testfont.pdf on your ftp site, there is a problem in the > text with accented letters because of a mismatch between OT1 (assumed > by pdfplain) and T1 encodings -> you should input my t1-plain.tex to > map accents correctly with a T1 font (8t). many thanks, I've updated it now. Cheers, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Feb 27 03:25:38 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA23792 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 03:25:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA15812 for pdftex-list; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:22:14 -0500 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA15802 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:21:42 -0500 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21418; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:22:44 +0100 (MET) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17152; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:22:47 +0100 (MET) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199802271022.LAA17152@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12d In-Reply-To: <199802270815.JAA12044@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "Feb 27, 98 09:15:44 am" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:22:47 +0100 (MET) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > great! > > no more (typographical) problems on screen now! > > i've also put a testfont.pdf on my site showing various fonts with > various glyph sets and original encodings. > ftp://fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/pub/contrib-tex/pdftex/testfont.pdf > > I also used successfully bluesky CMs with your map file with bakoma > names. > > My only remaining problem is that i can't print them now (or even > view them with gs) because of some -| operator being undefined. Is > this a problem of acrobat version, of fonts, or what? this is a problem of pdftex (no surprise, of course :-)). will fix it soon. Cheers, Thanh